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The first thing to state is that the weather seems set fair for the majority of the duration of the test match, with showers only predicted on the second day.

The pitch at Sabina Park recently has been helpful for visiting spinners, with Yasir Shah taking a bunch of wickets on Pakistan's last trip to Jamaica in 2017. Expecting something similar this time around as well.

I won't be surprised to see Pakistan playing two spinners at this ground.

West Indies are under pressure after the recent test series defeat to South Africa and Phil Simmons should demand a strong reaction from Kraigg Brathwaite and the rest of the batsmen to a succession of hopeless collapses in that series.
 
I think the bowling attack will probably look like:

Shadab
Hasan Ali
Shaheen Shah
Abbas

That should be enough to do away with the windies
 
WI pitches are very slow . It will be a tough outing for the Pakistani fast bowlers.
 
I think the bowling attack will probably look like:

Shadab
Hasan Ali
Shaheen Shah
Abbas

That should be enough to do away with the windies

No chance

If uncle Noman is on tour he will play as a spinner
 
Imran Butt looked really poor in the intra game. He got dismissed a few times.
 
Considering the success of the Yasir-Nauman duo at home to SA at the start of the year, I would be surprised if they do not go a similar route again on a spinning pitch.
 
Considering the success of the Yasir-Nauman duo at home to SA at the start of the year, I would be surprised if they do not go a similar route again on a spinning pitch.

It would be foolish not to trust Yasir and Nauman in these conditions.

The pace attack is where we have a selection headache.

Shaheen and Hasan are essentially confirmed selections. The third pacer can either be Naseem Shah, Shahnawaz Dahani, Mohammad Abbas, or Faheem Ashraf.
 
It would be foolish not to trust Yasir and Nauman in these conditions.

The pace attack is where we have a selection headache.

Shaheen and Hasan are essentially confirmed selections. The third pacer can either be Naseem Shah, Shahnawaz Dahani, Mohammad Abbas, or Faheem Ashraf.

Abbas feels like a must with his experience with the dukes otherwise it would be foolish to leave out Faheem.
 
Abbas feels like a must with his experience with the dukes otherwise it would be foolish to leave out Faheem.

I'd like to see us go with 5 frontline bowlers as i think Windies will fold to that kind of pressure.

Hassan, Uncle Nauman and Yasir Shah are a bit high for 7, 8, 9 but it isn't a disaster either.
 
I'd like to see us go with 5 frontline bowlers as i think Windies will fold to that kind of pressure.

Hassan, Uncle Nauman and Yasir Shah are a bit high for 7, 8, 9 but it isn't a disaster either.

You can risk dropping Faheem I think as both Yasir and Nuaman can bat.

No, I think that Hassan, Numan and Yasir at those respective numbers can work with Shaheen and Abbas as your tail. Frankly I think Shaheen needs mental rest and should be replaced by Dhahani.

Any idea of how Sabina Park behaves as a pitch and whether there is any demons on this pitch?
 
Pak should go in with an extra batsman. Seeing our brittle batting line up this would make me feel more comfortable.
 
Play 7 batsmen and 4 bowlers.

With two spinners, the fast bowlers will have plenty of rest.
 
Pak should go in with an extra batsman. Seeing our brittle batting line up this would make me feel more comfortable.
Wi pace attack is good, pak need extra batter atleast for 1st test..Most of the time three pacers and one spinner is enough in test cricket outside sub continent.
 
Pakistan Test squad has arrived in Jamaica from Guyana

All members of the squad will undergo Covid 19 testing upon arrival in Jamaica and if the test results are negative (expected on Tuesday), the squad will be allowed to commence training

The first Test match between Pakistan and West Indies will start on August 12 in Jamaica

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imran
abid
azhar
babar
fawad
rizwan
faheem
nauman
hasan
yasir
afridi
 
More pictures of Pakistan players' arrival in Jamaica

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Imran Butt
Abid Ali
Azhar Ali
Babar Azam *
Fawad Alam
Mohammed Rizwan +
Faheem Ashraf
Yasir Shah
Hassan Ali
Mohammed Abbas
Shaheen Afridi

Even though I’d drop Abid/ Imran and open with Azhar, allowing Saud to play in the middle order, but it ain’t happening and we all know that.
 
No chance

If uncle Noman is on tour he will play as a spinner

I did forget about him and he has bowled well. I actually haven't looked at the squad but assume all these players are present. No reason why Shadab can not also play in an all round capacity, plus he bowls well against the Windies.
 
It would be foolish not to trust Yasir and Nauman in these conditions.

The pace attack is where we have a selection headache.

Shaheen and Hasan are essentially confirmed selections. The third pacer can either be Naseem Shah, Shahnawaz Dahani, Mohammad Abbas, or Faheem Ashraf.

4 specialists + all-rounder is the way to go. Faheem has been excellent with the bat since his return to the side, and he offers a decent alternative to rest other bowlers and perhaps pick a wicket or two. Given it’s a spinning pitch, Shadab could be used instead of Faheem, but I think some of the clutch innings Faheem has played when the top order failed shows his value in Tests right now.

The team will most likely look like this:

Abid
Imran
Azhar
Babar
Fawad
Rizwan
Faheem
Hassan
Nauman
Yasir
Shaheen
 
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It would be foolish not to trust Yasir and Nauman in these conditions.

The pace attack is where we have a selection headache.

Shaheen and Hasan are essentially confirmed selections. The third pacer can either be Naseem Shah, Shahnawaz Dahani, Mohammad Abbas, or Faheem Ashraf.

I like this side but with this side we have specialist bowlers meaning Rizwan will bat at 6 and Hasan will have to come in at 7.
 
The test side will very much be like the home South Africa test line-up.

1. Imran Butt
2. Abid Ali
3. Azhar Ali
4. Babar Azam (C)
5. Fawad Alam
6. Mohammad Rizwan (WK)
7. Faheem Ashraf
8. Hasan Ali
9. Nauman Ali
10. Yasir Shah
11. Shaheen Shah Afridi
 
If PAK are going to carry Imran as a specialist slip fielder then they may as well drop Abid and have Azhar open and bring in Saud Shakeel. Two passengers to open is very PAK.
 
If PAK are going to carry Imran as a specialist slip fielder then they may as well drop Abid and have Azhar open and bring in Saud Shakeel. Two passengers to open is very PAK.

Abid although I’m not a fan, in Pakistan’s mind it would be foolish to drop him given his scores against Zimbabwe (I know it’s sad).

I keep saying though play boy wonder Abdullah Shafique.
 
Although i love Imran Butt the fielder it's tough to find something in his batting. He's another Hassan Raza, good fielder but poor batsman.

My pick is either drop Imran and replace with Abdullah or play Saud at 3.
 
My playing xi.

If the pitch offers pace and bounce then Abbas should play instead of yasir.if the pitch is dry then yasir Shah should play instead Abbas. Nuaman is a better batter and can hold a end up so he should be first choice in the spinning department.

Imran Butt
Abid Ali
Azhar
Babar
Fawad
Rizwan
Fahim
Nauman
Hassan Ali
Abbas
 
2 out of Fahim, Abbas and Nauman would play. Fahim has done brilliantly with the bat in tests since his recall but his bowling has been pretty harmless but no.7 is too high for all of Yasir, Hasan and Nauman so I guess Fahim would play.

Imran
Abid
Azhar
Babar
Fawad
Rizwan
Fahim/Nauman
Yasir
Hasan
Shaheen
Abbas
 
picking butt and imran as part of a 5 man batting line up asking for trouble. we cant keep starting games 10/2 and expecting babar, fawad and rizwan to bail the team out. The fact Azhar is continually used at number 3 when we have no decent openers is detremental to pakistans longterm plans of building a solid top order batting unit.
 
picking butt and imran as part of a 5 man batting line up asking for trouble. we cant keep starting games 10/2 and expecting babar, fawad and rizwan to bail the team out. The fact Azhar is continually used at number 3 when we have no decent openers is detremental to pakistans longterm plans of building a solid top order batting unit.

I mean Imran i am starting to lose patience with, he's looked amateur with the bat but on one hand he's got something our current XI doesn't have which is good fielding ability.

Babar is poor in the slips and so is Yasir who has dropped dollies. It looks as if WI might produce a track for pacers so we'll need our fielders to be sharp in the slips.

On another note, I don't know if you watched highlights of the intra squad game, Imran was dismissed several times and looked poor.

Abid they won't drop now seeing as he performed against Zimbabwe.

My recommendation is either of the following scenarios:

Option1: Play Saud at 3 and have Azhar open with one of the 2 openers dropped (preferably Imran)
Option2: Replace Imran with Abdullah and retain Abid
Option3: Drop both Imran and Abid, have Azhar open with Abdullah with Saud at 3.
 
I mean Imran i am starting to lose patience with, he's looked amateur with the bat but on one hand he's got something our current XI doesn't have which is good fielding ability.

Babar is poor in the slips and so is Yasir who has dropped dollies. It looks as if WI might produce a track for pacers so we'll need our fielders to be sharp in the slips.

On another note, I don't know if you watched highlights of the intra squad game, Imran was dismissed several times and looked poor.

Abid they won't drop now seeing as he performed against Zimbabwe.

My recommendation is either of the following scenarios:

Option1: Play Saud at 3 and have Azhar open with one of the 2 openers dropped (preferably Imran)
Option2: Replace Imran with Abdullah and retain Abid
Option3: Drop both Imran and Abid, have Azhar open with Abdullah with Saud at 3.

Saud should come in at number 3 and Azhar should open with Abid. After this series we need to dump Abid and butt and look at other openers.

hopefully saud will play well at 3 so longterm we dont have to worry about that spot. Azhar can help groom one opener until he retires.

niether butt or Abid will improve and picking players who have had just 1 good domestic season and failed in every other season isnt the way to select players.

i can see WI producing a track for pacers and our batting will be exposed. only saving grace might be that our pacers maybe able to skittle WI for lower scores in low scoring games.
 
Saud should come in at number 3 and Azhar should open with Abid. After this series we need to dump Abid and butt and look at other openers.

hopefully saud will play well at 3 so longterm we dont have to worry about that spot. Azhar can help groom one opener until he retires.

niether butt or Abid will improve and picking players who have had just 1 good domestic season and failed in every other season isnt the way to select players.

i can see WI producing a track for pacers and our batting will be exposed. only saving grace might be that our pacers maybe able to skittle WI for lower scores in low scoring games.

We'll see what happens, but our middle order is still strong in my view and inshAllah they won't be pushed over too easy.

100% i would dump Imran-Abid but this is a last chance series for both in my view. If they fail here then it needs to be curtains with looking for a new opener in the upcoming QeA season and pairing them with Abdullah Shafique who needs to be trialled in my view.
 
West Indian pacers are very good in their home conditions. Roach and Holder possess great skillsets to be able to swing the ball both ways, and Holder's height means that Abid Ali is likely to struggle a lot.

Personally, I'd play the following team if the pitch is relatively green:

Azhar Ali
Abdullah Shafique
Saud Shakeel
Babar Azam (c)
Fawad Alam
Mohammad Rizwan (wk)(vc)
Faheem Ashraf
Mohammad Nawaz
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Hasan Ali
Mohammad Abbas
 
One of the consequences of playing so little test cricket is that dreadful players like Abid and Butt get to play years before a decision can be made. Poor selection and management
 
West Indian pacers are very good in their home conditions. Roach and Holder possess great skillsets to be able to swing the ball both ways, and Holder's height means that Abid Ali is likely to struggle a lot.

Personally, I'd play the following team if the pitch is relatively green:

Azhar Ali
Abdullah Shafique
Saud Shakeel
Babar Azam (c)
Fawad Alam
Mohammad Rizwan (wk)(vc)
Faheem Ashraf
Mohammad Nawaz
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Hasan Ali
Mohammad Abbas

We beat SA because we didn't have Abbas. Abbas offers nothing against decent teams when the shine goes.
 
We beat SA because we didn't have Abbas. Abbas offers nothing against decent teams when the shine goes.

Hmmm can't deny Abbas with his form in the recent County championship that to with the Dukes ball. He knows how to use the Dukes so would be silly to not select, it would be real risky as well to drop Faheem for Abbas with that said.
 
Shaheen Shah Afridi:

Both Test matches against West Indies are very important

I will play a Test match for the first time in the West Indies and I was rested in T20 game, hopefully I will perform better in Test series

There are also individual goals for this series and one of them is that I am trying to improve my fitness before the World Cup

Our Test squad is strong and consistently performing well and with the return of Yasir Shah and Hassan Ali, the combination of bowling unit has further improved

Despite the rain in Guyana, the two-day practice has prepared us well with both batsmen and bowlers getting a chance to practice

I am always proud to represent Pakistan and I keep trying to perform consistently in all three styles of cricket

Whilst both Barbados and Jamaica are beautiful places, but life in the bio-secure bubble isn't that easy; We try and enjoy whatever time we have here as a team.

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WEST INDIES batsmen will have to step up their game to overcome a confident Pakistan, coach Phil Simmons has cautioned ahead of Thursday's opening day of the first of two Test matches at Sabina Park, Kingston, Jamaica.

Simmons, speaking during a virtual press conference on Monday, suggested the series was Pakistan's to lose, based the two teams' momentum.

"We've always had tough battles with any Pakistan team that comes to the Caribbean or when we go there, so it's going to be another tough series," said Simmons.

"They've played very well in their last Test series and they're coming here on a high, whereas we've played well in a couple Test series and in the last Test series, we didn't play well.

"Even though we're home, we're a bit of the underdog in this. We know that we're going to try to put everything into it and ensure that we come out on top."

West Indies lost heavily in the two Test matches against South Africa in June. Pakistan, meanwhile, whitewashed hosts Zimbabwe in their Test series between April and May.

Simmons acknowledged the West Indies team's individual shortfalls.

"We are looking and trying to the best of our abilities to make sure that things improve. There is no hiding from the fact that our batting needs to improve and get to a healthy stage where we can score 400 (runs) in an innings on a consistent basis...And the bowlers (need to) continue doing the job they have been doing well in order for us to finish higher up.

"So we are putting everything into making sure our batting starts to improve."

Although there were some promising performances from the likes of veteran left-arm spinner Veerasammy Permaul and batsman Shamarh Brooks, during last week's four-day "Best Versus Best" practice match at Sabina Park, Simmons said he wasn't particularly won-over. Permaul, for example, has had some promising performances in recent months but has been unable to earn selection, which the coach suggested was partly due to the abundance of spin bowlers.

"The Best Versus Best matches is a part of us trying to make sure that players get enough preparation but also to see what players are doing during these games," Simmons said.

"You can't just (use Permaul) as an example. We played the last Test match (with) one spinner. We have two spinners on the bench. Yes, he's come and took some wickets and bowled well in the first innings

"For us, I think we have seen that we needed to continue with the spinners we have among the 14 or 15 we had for the last series."

While some performances stood out to fans, Simmons said, "I wouldn't say I'm impressed.

"I always look for more guys at that level getting bigger scores. If you score 150 at that level, you have to work to score 100 at a higher level. So I would like to see more runs being scored at that level.

"We are looking at every aspect of the game, but more so, we want batsmen to be scoring 100/150 runs on each occasion. And if you have one out of your five or six batsmen getting a big hundred then we're doing the right things."

As for the players' individual preparation, prior to joining the squad, Simmons was even less impressed, saying, "To answer the question as straight as can be – no. There (was) not enough work done before the players got here.

"Quite a few players said they didn't get any work done at their home territory, before they came to this camp and four day game.

"Obviously (I'm disappointed). It's disappointing to know that they've gone home and nothing was done. We have to come back and start from scratch when they get here."

https://newsday.co.tt/2021/08/09/simmons-labels-west-indies-as-underdogs-ahead-of-pakistan-tests/
 
InshAllah we got this 1-0 and if Allah wills then we can clean sweep the series 2-0.

Bring on the tests!!!!!!!!!!
 
Looks like Thursday and Friday are going to be rain curtailed days but then days 3, 4 and 5 should be fine.

Hopefully enough time to get a result.
 
Looks like Thursday and Friday are going to be rain curtailed days but then days 3, 4 and 5 should be fine.

Hopefully enough time to get a result.

Thursday's fine too, sunny spells with slight cloud cover. Friday's a bit iffy.
 
Would like Pakistan to score 400+ vs a decent opposition for once. It's been ages. Bat first and put 400+ I hope.
 
Would like Pakistan to score 400+ vs a decent opposition for once. It's been ages. Bat first and put 400+ I hope.

The second day will be a little tough batting with overcast conditions so might not wanna bat during that time.
 
Pakistan squad practicing ahead of the 1st Test in Jamaica (pictures courtesy of the PCB)

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I paid Rs.99/- for this tour on the Fan Code App. Not a big amount by any means, but the T20 series was a real bummer. I hope the Test matches aren't interrupted by rain.
 
I think it should be a cracking series. I hope rain stays away.

Both sides can win. It is 50-50.
 
Watching Pakistan play is always fun and that's something I don't want to miss at at cost.
 
I paid Rs.99/- for this tour on the Fan Code App. Not a big amount by any means, but the T20 series was a real bummer. I hope the Test matches aren't interrupted by rain.

I hit to be a Debbie downer but the match looks like it'll be a draw first up. Day 1 & 2 we won't get a full day and in general all across the 5 days it might be a washout
 
Weathers been atrocious over the last month there and pretty much everywhere around the world.

Climate change is real and it's wrecking havoc!
 
Weathers been atrocious over the last month there and pretty much everywhere around the world.

Climate change is real and it's wrecking havoc!

Yep here in Scotland we've had some flooding due to storms.

We'll get somewhat of a full game in the second match i believe but yes a very forgetful tour this.
 
It would be foolish not to trust Yasir and Nauman in these conditions.

The pace attack is where we have a selection headache.

Shaheen and Hasan are essentially confirmed selections. The third pacer can either be Naseem Shah, Shahnawaz Dahani, Mohammad Abbas, or Faheem Ashraf.

Faheem Ashraf is not a pacer, yes he can bowl some useless overs at Shaihd Afridi's pace.
 
If Dahani and Naseem play together I will be a happy man. Bored of the same old bowling attack.
 
If Dahani and Naseem play together I will be a happy man. Bored of the same old bowling attack.

Don't mind winning with boring tactics. Naseem gets smashed, went wicketless in the intra game. It would be a crime to not include Abbas given his county stint and wickets gained in the intra game as an added bonus.

Having said that Pakistan could go with an extra seamer in Dhahani in place of Numan but WI batsmen even on pace friendly conditions tend to make silly mistakes against a spinner so i would still opt to have 2 spinners in Numan and Yasir.
 
Would like Pakistan to score 400+ vs a decent opposition for once. It's been ages. Bat first and put 400+ I hope.

I think you and me are the only fans looking forward to this more so than the t20 series.

Batting first might be the best option for Pakistan according to some stats i've seen about batting first at Sabina.

Positive stat of the day though is WI haven't beaten Pak in a while on Sabina Park so possible advantage Pakistan there.
 
I think you and me are the only fans looking forward to this more so than the t20 series.

Batting first might be the best option for Pakistan according to some stats i've seen about batting first at Sabina.

Positive stat of the day though is WI haven't beaten Pak in a while on Sabina Park so possible advantage Pakistan there.

Yeah that's good to see. They haven't actually beaten any decent team there for a while.

And yeah, I'm really looking forward to the tests, that's what I have been mainly interested in this series!
 
It would be foolish not to trust Yasir and Nauman in these conditions.

The pace attack is where we have a selection headache.

Shaheen and Hasan are essentially confirmed selections. The third pacer can either be Naseem Shah, Shahnawaz Dahani, Mohammad Abbas, or Faheem Ashraf.

Faheem I think is a natural selection in tests to keep that 5 bowling options combination as he has done really well as batsman at no 7 with some important knocks in last season. His bowling hasnt been too threatening in terms of wicket taking but, he can keep it tight and chip in with those 10-15 overs in the innings.
 
Faheem I think is a natural selection in tests to keep that 5 bowling options combination as he has done really well as batsman at no 7 with some important knocks in last season. His bowling hasnt been too threatening in terms of wicket taking but, he can keep it tight and chip in with those 10-15 overs in the innings.

I think I would be willing to risk drop Shaheen for Abbas who has that experience with the dukes.

In terms of Faheem he’s a no brainer he brings competency with the bat and if he picks the odd wicket great otherwise he’s more of a fill in guy while the other bowlers get a bit of a rest.

Pakistan have some good headaches going into this and no doubt they are experience rich. I would personally say to myself that Yasir is coming back from injury and so can he be trusted to be the soul spinner ie no Numan??
 
Babar Azam needs to score at least a century in this series.

He has failed in the last two test series.
 
Faheem I think is a natural selection in tests to keep that 5 bowling options combination as he has done really well as batsman at no 7 with some important knocks in last season. His bowling hasnt been too threatening in terms of wicket taking but, he can keep it tight and chip in with those 10-15 overs in the innings.

Faheem has been handy as a batsman, there's no doubt about it, however, what annoys me is that even at the pace he operates, he is unable to swing and seam the ball.

He usually bowls around the 80mph mark, but his action is very poor when it comes to getting movement in the air.

I feel as though his batting might get exposed this series with Kemar Roach and Jason Holder, who are very good against left-handed batsmen.

For me, Amad Butt is not a bad option to consider, because his action looks like he can really swing the ball, and Pakistan needs more swing bowlers.
 
West Indies and Pakistan commence a two-Test series at Sabina Park in Jamaica on Thursday with head coach Phil Simmons concerned about the readiness of the home players for what is expected to be a formidable challenge from talented but mercurial opponents.

With the vulnerability of the hosts' batting mercilessly exploited by South Africa two months ago in a similar two-Test duel in St Lucia, Simmons made clear his displeasure on Monday that most of his Test match specialists did very little, if anything, while away from the international scene.

Over the past six week the Windies took on the South Africans, Australians and Pakistanis in a succession of limited-over fixtures.

"A lot of the players said they didn't get any work done in their home territories before this camp and the four-day game," said the former West Indies all-rounder following a four-day warm-fixture ahead of the opening encounter.

"It's disappointing to find out there's nothing done and we have to start from scratch here."

That is not an encouraging sign going into the series, especially if the pitches for the two matches at Sabina Park have anything like the pace and bounce of the Daren Sammy Stadium.

Kraigg Brathwaite's team were thrashed by the Proteas in consecutive matches with the pace trio of Kagiso Rabada, Anrich Nortje and Lungi Ngidi obliterating a batting line-up that failed to get past 165 in four innings.

On the back of four consecutive Test wins, including convincing successes over the same South Africans on home soil, Pakistan would not appear to be burdened by similar concerns.

Back-to-back innings triumphs over an extremely weak Zimbabwe outfit in Harare in their last series could hardly be considered a reliable indicator of anticipated performance against more formidable opponents.

Given that they have already experienced much of the worst impact of the early stages of the rainy season in the Caribbean – the four-match T20 International series had just one completed fixture with the tourists prevailing by seven runs in Guyana – Simmons' Pakistan counterpart Waqar Younis will nevertheless be concerned about his team's readiness for the traditional format of the game even if recent history suggests that they have the proven quality to overcome their beleaguered opponents.

While he did not feature in the Zimbabwe series and claimed just one wicket in his last Test, against South Africa in Rawalpindi, Yasir Shah must be favoured to make a return to national duty in a part of the world where he emerged as "Man of the Series" and dramatically bowled his country to their first-ever Test series triumph in the West Indies when they last toured the region in 2017.

Interestingly, fast bowler Shannon Gabriel, the man whose dismissal by Shah in the final minutes of the series decider in Dominica four years ago sealed the historic success, is ruled out of this series as he continues to struggle with match fitness in light of the absence of domestic competition in his native Trinidad and Tobago.

It leaves senior pacer Kemar Roach to spearhead a West Indies bowling attack that, if the conditions are pace-friendly, could see promising fast bowling talent Chemar Holder playing his second Test after being inexplicably omitted since a creditable debut in New Zealand at the end of last year.

However whether the conditions favour the faster bowlers or spinners, the West Indies headache remains very much with their batting as captain Brathwaite’s struggles at the top of the order in the last two series seem to have become a template for those who follow him in the line-up.

It is an obvious vulnerability that Pakistan will seek to exploit, although their own tendencies towards the irrational and the inconsistent leave the window slightly ajar for an underdog home team to push these visitors to a degree which was completely absent amid the annihilation at the hands of the South Africans in June.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-ne...ting-from-scratch-before-pakistan-test-series
 
#07. Faheem Ashraf/ Nauman Ali
#08. Yasir Shah
#09. Hassan Ali
#10. Mohammed Abbas
#11. Shaheen Afridi
 
Yeah that's good to see. They haven't actually beaten any decent team there for a while.

And yeah, I'm really looking forward to the tests, that's what I have been mainly interested in this series!

Yep, grab a Tepal tea and let's get it on!

Test is probably Pakistan's best side. InshAllah wanna see some of my favs prosper and Allah willing they are table toppers (in terms of most runs scored/wickets taken) for this series.

Weather news has been tipsy turby so will see what the second test brings but there is rain expected for this first one.
 
Faheem has been handy as a batsman, there's no doubt about it, however, what annoys me is that even at the pace he operates, he is unable to swing and seam the ball.

He usually bowls around the 80mph mark, but his action is very poor when it comes to getting movement in the air.

I feel as though his batting might get exposed this series with Kemar Roach and Jason Holder, who are very good against left-handed batsmen.

For me, Amad Butt is not a bad option to consider, because his action looks like he can really swing the ball, and Pakistan needs more swing bowlers.

Amad’s last season of QAE before getting selected for Pak A team was phenomenal with the ball. However for longer format cricket Faheem is a much better batsman in terms of composure and technique, he has got couple of 100s in FC cricket with an average of over 30 along with current average of over 40 in test cricket vs Amad’s average of 23 and one 100 in FC cricket. Yes in terms of bowling I think Amad at the moment is bowling better.

I do think Amad Butt deserved to be in the squad based upon his bowling performances in red ball cricket in last season but, over one of the specialist pacers. As an example Just because Rauf can ball quick (Squad already has atleast three 140kph pacers), its harsh on Amad that a guy with less the five FC matches under his belt is selected over him. There are 2-3 other guys as well who could have made a better case. I am all up for variety in the attack and was fine with Rauf in the squad for SA test but, now with induction of Naseem and Dahani its too much off inexperience with the hope for pace.

So despite Pak having Hassan Ali and Nauman Ali in the XI who both are handy with the bat replacing Faheem with a bowler or an all rounder who is less accomplished with the bat could impact the batting. If Pak’s batting would have been performing consistently than this could have been an option but, at the moment I think it has to be Faheem for that no 7 spot.

Regarding his bowling he has never been a swing bowler rather a seam bowler so needs to be operating at around 135 kph on average to increase his effectiveness. At the moment Pak is expecting De Grandhomme kind of role out of him (yes Grandhomme becomes more than handy with the ball in swinging conditions though) with an aggressive no 7 batsman and a bowler to chip in with 10-15 overs with a wicket or two as a bonus.
 
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You gonna risk dropping Abbas for the kinda county stint he had?

Dont want to sound harsh but Abbass always does well in county due to conditions and quality of batsmen. He doesnt have the xfactor anymore for international cricket.
 
Dont want to sound harsh but Abbass always does well in county due to conditions and quality of batsmen. He doesnt have the xfactor anymore for international cricket.

Yep but he does have experience with the Dukes ball which is my point.
 
Pakistan confirm 19-player squad for West Indies Tests

• Babar Azam previews his side’s opening campaign in the 2021-23 ICC World Test Championship, wants administrators to look into alternates to compensate for matches lost due to rain

• Misbah chases unique record of winning Test series in the Caribbean as captain and coach, Pakistan players aim to improve their rankings

Kingston, Jamaica, 11 August 2021:

Pakistan have announced a 19-member Test squad for the ICC World Test Championship fixtures against the West Indies. The two-Test series will commence at the Sabina Park on Thursday, August 12. The squad was confirmed by Pakistan captain Babar Azam during his pre-series media conference, held via teleconference, on Wednesday.

Pakistan Test squad:

Babar Azam (captain) (Central Punjab), Mohammad Rizwan (vice-captain) (wicketkeeper) (Khyber Pakhtunkhwa), Abdullah Shafique (Central Punjab), Abid Ali (Central Punjab), Azhar Ali (Central Punjab), Faheem Ashraf (Central Punjab), Fawad Alam (Sindh), Hasan Ali (Central Punjab), Imran Butt (Balochistan), Mohammad Abbas (Southern Punjab), Naseem Shah (Central Punjab), Nauman Ali (Northern), Sajid Khan (Khyber Pakhtunkhwa), Sarfaraz Ahmed (wicketkeeper) (Sindh), Saud Shakeel (Sindh), Shaheen Shah Afridi (Khyber Pakhtunkhwa), Shahnawaz Dahani (Sindh), Yasir Shah (Balochistan) and Zahid Mahmood (Southern Punjab).

Pakistan captain Babar Azam

“Looking at the likely team composition for the two Tests and giving preference to wellbeing of the players, it has been agreed to release Haris Rauf and Mohammad Nawaz so that they can return to Pakistan and spend quality time with their families. This will also give them a few extra days to relax, regroup and recharge for the commitment ahead, which commence with the series against Afghanistan.

“The past 12 months have been tough and the cricket that lays ahead is equally challenging and demanding. As such, we need to have as many fresh bodies as practically possible without comprising on the team results and performances.

“Away Test series are always challenging and it is our endeavour to be a high-performing side on away series. Red-ball cricket is the pinnacle format of the game and is a test of skill, endurance, technique, patience and fitness. Test cricket does not allow you to show complacency at any stage and this is what we will like to achieve at the Sabina Park over the next couple of weeks.

“Jamaican pitches provide a good challenge to the batters hence our batters need to come to the party and display their true potential and calibre in the two Tests. They have performed well this year and it is now time to take that confidence into the Test series and put up an improved and enhanced performance.

“Whenever you come to the West Indies, you want to play your best cricket because of the strong heritage and history of this beautiful region. In this background, it was frustrating to see weather dominate the T20I series. As part of the T20 World Cup preparations, we wanted to give maximum opportunities to our players against the firepower of the West Indies but unfortunately the series got badly affected due to rain.

“No one can control weather, but I think it is time to look at alternates to ensure cricket is not affected by weather. Maybe adding reserve days to every white-ball matches is an option, I don’t know, but I think there needs to be some debate around ensuring there is minimum loss of cricket due to weather.”

Head to Head

In the 17 Test series played between the two teams, Pakistan enjoy a 6-5 edge over the West Indies. However, the West Indies has a clear 4-1 lead over Pakistan in the eight series played in the Caribbean.

In the last meeting between in 2016-17, Pakistan ended their win drought in the Caribbean by clinching their first-ever Test series victory by 2-1.

In this series, Pakistan won the first Test in Jamaica by seven wickets before the host levelled the series in Barbados by winning second Test by 106 runs. In a nail-biting and thrilling series decider in Dominica, Pakistan won by 101 runs when Yasir Shah famously bowled Shannon Gabriel on the final ball of the penultimate over of the series with Roston Chase stranded at the non-striker’s end.

Yasir Shah, who was adjudged player of the series, is part of the Pakistan squad, while Gabriel will be missed by the West Indies.

Misbah-ul-Haq was Pakistan’s leading run-scorer in that series with 271 runs. He is presently the head coach and will aim to achieve the rare distinction of winning in the West Indies, both as captain and coach.

ICC World Test Championship and Rankings

For both Pakistan and the West Indies, this is their first series in the ICC World Test Championship. In this event, each side plays three home and three away series. Pakistan’s other away commitments are against Bangladesh (post-T20 World Cup) and Sri Lanka (July/August 2021), while their home series are against Australia, New Zealand and England (all in 2022).

In the ICC World Test Championship, a side gets 12 points for winning a match, four for a draw and six for a tie, while a side is docked one championship point for each over short.

In the ICC Test Team Rankings, Pakistan is ranked fifth with 94 points, while the West Indies are seventh on 78 points. If Pakistan wins both the Tests, they will rise to 97 points, while the West Indies will slip to 75 points. If the series result is reversed, then Pakistan will drop two points behind South Africa in sixth place on 86 points, while the West Indies will move to 85 points.

A 1-1 draw will mean Pakistan will finish on 92 points (down by two points), while the West Indies will end on 80 points (up by two points).

Player rankings:

Pakistan captain Babar Azam and Azhar Ali are ranked 10th and 17th, respectively in the ICC Test Player Rankings, while Mohammad Rizwan is just outside the top-20 in 21st position. No West Indian batter is included in top 40 Test rank batsmen.

In bowling, West Indies' Jason Holder and Kemar Roach are 11th and 13th, respectively while Pakistan's Hasan Ali and Mohammad Abbas are sharing 15th position. Shaheen Shah Afridi is 22nd and Yasir Shah 29th, and will be aiming to move up the ladder.

Year 2021 for Pakistan players:

With 407 runs, Azhar Ali is the most successful Pakistan batsman in 2021. Opener Abid Ali (359), Fawad Alam (333), Mohammad Rizwan (303) and Faheem Ashraf (247) are the other batsmen to dominate the two Tests each against South Africa and Zimbabwe.

Hasan Ali is Pakistan’s most successful bowler this year. He has taken 26 wickets since 1 January 2021. Meanwhile, fast bowler Shaheen Shah Afridi has taken 19 and Nauman Ali has taken 16 wickets.

Fixtures:

12-16 August: 1st Test match, Sabina Park, Jamaica
20-24 August: 2nd Test match, Sabina Park, Jamaica
 
Amad’s last season of QAE before getting selected for Pak A team was phenomenal with the ball. However for longer format cricket Faheem is a much better batsman in terms of composure and technique, he has got couple of 100s in FC cricket with an average of over 30 along with current average of over 40 in test cricket vs Amad’s average of 23 and one 100 in FC cricket. Yes in terms of bowling I think Amad at the moment is bowling better.

I do think Amad Butt deserved to be in the squad based upon his bowling performances in red ball cricket in last season but, over one of the specialist pacers. As an example Just because Rauf can ball quick (Squad already has atleast three 140kph pacers), its harsh on Amad that a guy with less the five FC matches under his belt is selected over him. There are 2-3 other guys as well who could have made a better case. I am all up for variety in the attack and was fine with Rauf in the squad for SA test but, now with induction of Naseem and Dahani its too much off inexperience with the hope for pace.

So despite Pak having Hassan Ali and Nauman Ali in the XI who both are handy with the bat replacing Faheem with a bowler or an all rounder who is less accomplished with the bat could impact the batting. If Pak’s batting would have been performing consistently than this could have been an option but, at the moment I think it has to be Faheem for that no 7 spot.

Regarding his bowling he has never been a swing bowler rather a seam bowler so needs to be operating at around 135 kph on average to increase his effectiveness. At the moment Pak is expecting De Grandhomme kind of role out of him (yes Grandhomme becomes more than handy with the ball in swinging conditions though) with an aggressive no 7 batsman and a bowler to chip in with 10-15 overs with a wicket or two as a bonus.

I agree with what you've said.

If Pakistan want better pacers who have the ability to swing the ball, there are a lot of options in the domestic circuit.

Even Amad Butt could play as a pacer instead of an all-rounder.

I also think Irfanullah Shah is a good player who should get a chance, because his numbers show that he can perform that type of a role for Pakistan.

Players like Faheem are unable to make the most of the ball due to swing, and this is why teams are able to cash in against us once the new ball is gone.
 
Don't mind winning with boring tactics. Naseem gets smashed, went wicketless in the intra game. It would be a crime to not include Abbas given his county stint and wickets gained in the intra game as an added bonus.

Having said that Pakistan could go with an extra seamer in Dhahani in place of Numan but WI batsmen even on pace friendly conditions tend to make silly mistakes against a spinner so i would still opt to have 2 spinners in Numan and Yasir.

We can play both numan and Abbas and play 5 man attack with nauman batting at 9
 
I think I would be willing to risk drop Shaheen for Abbas who has that experience with the dukes.

In terms of Faheem he’s a no brainer he brings competency with the bat and if he picks the odd wicket great otherwise he’s more of a fill in guy while the other bowlers get a bit of a rest.

Pakistan have some good headaches going into this and no doubt they are experience rich. I would personally say to myself that Yasir is coming back from injury and so can he be trusted to be the soul spinner ie no Numan??

Thiers no way shaheen will get dropped.
 
I agree with what you've said.

If Pakistan want better pacers who have the ability to swing the ball, there are a lot of options in the domestic circuit.

Even Amad Butt could play as a pacer instead of an all-rounder.

I also think Irfanullah Shah is a good player who should get a chance, because his numbers show that he can perform that type of a role for Pakistan.

Players like Faheem are unable to make the most of the ball due to swing, and this is why teams are able to cash in against us once the new ball is gone.

Irfanullah is a good talent I do think he will get a his chance within the next year hopefully he performs In qaid E Azam.
 
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