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Which is a better test team right now?
 
Bangladesh have done nothing to earn this comparison. They are a rubbish Test team.
 
WI will beat Bangladesh in WI
Bangladesh will beat WI in Bangladesh

Neutral venues both team are susceptible to collapse so you never know who is better..
 
Few months ago Bangladesh beat england in bd, this weak westindies team if they play in bangaldesh bangaldesh will beat them easily. Don't know about in westindies but looks like bd is becoming good in subcontinental pitches. Playing against srilanka and winning in srilanka is no joke, which bd did few week ago.
 
Now if pakistan lost to westindies in westindies that doesn't make that bangladesh will lose to westindies in bangladesh.
 
Zak_Fan said:
Bangladesh have done nothing to earn this comparison. They are a rubbish Test team.
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We are getting there, no need to call rubbish lately we won a test in srilanka agaisnt srilanka, which is no joke. Even bigger team has surrendered there lately in test team like australia, so we are no mean of rubbish.
 
Shaan said:
We are getting there, no need to call rubbish lately we won a test in srilanka agaisnt srilanka, which is no joke. Even bigger team has surrendered there lately in test team like australia, so we are no mean of rubbish.
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We are far from getting there..a test win here there doesn't mean anything. Of course we dont play enough test cricket anyway.
 
Bangladesh are a rubbish Test side. Saying we can best so and so team because they beat so and so team means nothing. And I doubt they can even draw a Test match outside Asia.
 
[MENTION=139678]Zak_Fan[/MENTION]
That's quite an understatement. The signs has always been there but it's finally being executed. Like it or not, BD is not longer a push-over team in BD atleast (even in test matches for most part). WI on the other hand is superior if they actually bother to play their best XI.
 
Both teams I reckon are evenly matched. I honestly don't know who is better. Lot will depend on 3rd test. If WI gets thumped (most likely outcome) then I would say BD slightly ahead for having better performance at home.
 
If West Indies play their best XI for two years, they expect to be in top 5. They have a quite a good team. Death of cricket in Caribbean is highly exaggerated
 
Depends where they're playing. I'd probably have Bangladesh ahead on neutral territory, but only because they have the better batsmen.
 
szrana007 said:
I would say that for a 2 test series. In BD, it will end as 1-1 between the two teams
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So you think the English team is no better than the WI team as the English also ended 1-1 in Bang. Actually the English were lucky as they would have lost both if Bang had reviewed Ali's not out in the first Test.
 
Bangladesh beat a similar weakened west indies side back in 2009 all that with a subpar test team.

I shocked people are calling us rubbish. We just won two tests against England and Lanka recently. That's 2 of our last 7 tests. Pakistan have won 1 out of their last 9 matches? My point is not that we are better than Pakistan.

I am saying that we are more than capable of beating west indies in West Indies. And surely we can beat them at Bangladesh. We made England sweat and West Indies are a much inferior side.

West Indies looked hapless against India. Outplayed at home. Pakistan losing​ to west indies isn't an indicator of west indies being a good side. Zimbabwe Beat Pakistan in 2013. Where are Zimbabwe now?
 
This is our test side at full strength

Tamim
Soumya
Mominul
Mushy
Shakib
Mosaddek
Liton
Miraz
Taijul/Roy(depending on condition)
Fizz
Taskin

Pretty mean squad if you ask me.

As for west indies side they have a superior pace attack but everything else Bangladesh looks much better.
 
Zak_Fan said:
Bangladesh have done nothing to earn this comparison. They are a rubbish Test team.
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The win against England and Lanka says the opposite,the only thing remotely of any importance by Windies has been the one test they won in UAE.
 
I necessarily don't rate any team that doesn't have a genuine quick which is why my vote will go to the WI...

Gabriel and Alzarri are very very good bowlers....people massively underrate them
 
Apart from Zimbabwe any test nation can beat this weak WI even in WI. Pity that our team has full of passengers Shafiq, Babar/Sadab (not test material), Younis, Shehzad. With this team we can only play well with Zimbos.
 
Shafi said:
Apart from Zimbabwe any test nation can beat this weak WI even in WI. Pity that our team has full of passengers Shafiq, Babar/Sadab (not test material), Younis, Shehzad. With this team we can only play well with Zimbos.
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Younis is not a passenger by any means
 
JaDed said:
The win against England and Lanka says the opposite,the only thing remotely of any importance by Windies has been the one test they won in UAE.
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since April 2015, WI have beaten ENG and PAK twice. BD has beaten ENG and SL away. I think thats even stevens. But BD are a very young and rookie type side, so they have a huge upside.

Hope this the beginning of a WI resurgence.
 
Both are same actually with SL one level above and Pak/Eng one level above that.
 
geraltofrivia said:
Both are same actually with SL one level above and Pak/Eng one level above that.
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Pak and Eng are NOT grouped together anymore. England are currently stronger than Pakistan in all 3 international forms. England are on par with New Zealand, who are also better than Pakistan across all 3 forms.
 
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Snatch said:
Pak and Eng are NOT grouped together anymore. England are currently stronger than Pakistan in all 3 international forms. England are on par with New Zealand, who are also better than Pakistan across all 3 forms.
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Yeah true. I agree.
 
Cuts_and_cuts_hard said:
Eng >>>>>> NZ>Pak
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That's funny, NZ are ahead of England in both ODIs and T20s (including being the number 1 ranked T20 team by a distance.) Meanwhile England are 5 points & two places higher (soon to be 1 place after the WI Pak series) than NZ in Tests.
 
West Indies will whitewash them each time they play, irrespective of the conditions.
 
Westindies easliy

they will whitwash ban in a test series unless it is played on rank turner of mirpur(like england series)
 
Can someone explain me why Bangladesh can't beat this West Indies side when a similar strength west indies side lost to Bangladesh of 09 by 2-0 margin?

From then onwards Bangladesh have improved a lot.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
West Indies will whitewash them each time they play, irrespective of the conditions.
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Bangladesh Drew a test series against Lanka in Lanka. West Indies would be annihilated if they played in Lanka. Heck even Australia were
 
The thing about this forum is that whenever a team beats Pakistan they automatically become better than Bangladesh. And when Pakistan beats a particular team winning against that same team is of little value.

I know many fans who claimed that Zimbabwe are a better side than Bangladesh after Zimbabwe beat Pakistan. I had no idea Pakistan and their unpredictable nature was the benchmark for comparing teams.
 
Executioner said:
Can someone explain me why Bangladesh can't beat this West Indies side when a similar strength west indies side lost to Bangladesh of 09 by 2-0 margin?

From then onwards Bangladesh have improved a lot.
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Yeah sure, a similar strength WI side led by a no name like Floyd Reifer. All their main players went on a strike and a fifth string side was assembled on a short notice. What was the result in 2014, when BD toured the Carribean ? Yeah 2-zip for WI. Go fool someone else.
 
GenericBrand said:
BD beat a similar string WI team in WI with a far weaker team than Pak.
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Which is another lie really, the team BD beat had 9 debutantes out of a squad of 12 and all of whom had barely cobbled 50 FC matches between them. Some of them don't even have cricinfo profiles. :facepalm:
 
Executioner said:
Can someone explain me why Bangladesh can't beat this West Indies side when a similar strength west indies side lost to Bangladesh of 09 by 2-0 margin?

From then onwards Bangladesh have improved a lot.
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Why are you continuing on with this lie?

The team BD beat had 9 players making debut, some of whom don't have even cricinfo profiles and they had all barely even played any FC cricket.

There is no comparison to the college team that BD played and the one playing now.
 
Shutdown Corner said:
since April 2015, WI have beaten ENG and PAK twice. BD has beaten ENG and SL away. I think thats even stevens. But BD are a very young and rookie type side, so they have a huge upside.

Hope this the beginning of a WI resurgence.
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Only sensible BD poster on PP.

I think BD test team has made a lot of strides. Battled NZ in one Test, beat England and then Sri Lanka, even battled well in a game against Pakistan.

Yet there is something missing from the Test side in comparison to your ODI team. [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] But I don't think BD would be easily beaten in BD by any side.
 
Pakpak said:
Which is another lie really, the team BD beat had 9 debutantes out of a squad of 12 and all of whom had barely cobbled 50 FC matches between them. Some of them don't even have cricinfo profiles. :facepalm:
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Exactly,this team is far better than that one.
 
Pakpak said:
Only sensible BD poster on PP.

I think BD test team has made a lot of strides. Battled NZ in one Test, beat England and then Sri Lanka, even battled well in a game against Pakistan.

Yet there is something missing from the Test side in comparison to your ODI team. [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] But I don't think BD would be easily beaten in BD by any side.
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BD better at home, WI far better at home. On neutral grounds, in Asia BD better, outside Asia WI better. In a 3 Test series, I believe result will be 2-1 BD at home; 2-1 or 1-1 in Asia; 1-1, 1-2 or 0-2 outside Asia; 0-2 or 0-3 in WI.
 
MMHS said:
BD better at home, WI far better at home. On neutral grounds, in Asia BD better, outside Asia WI better. In a 3 Test series, I believe result will be 2-1 BD at home; 2-1 or 1-1 in Asia; 1-1, 1-2 or 0-2 outside Asia; 0-2 or 0-3 in WI.
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A BD-WI series would be great to watch, when was the last both played in a tour?
 
Executioner said:
Bangladesh Drew a test series against Lanka in Lanka. West Indies would be annihilated if they played in Lanka. Heck even Australia were
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Bd is more familiar with Lanka conditions than WI. If you loose the past 97 games but win the recent last 3 games it doesn't make your team good. Your record will be still 3-97, why doesnt BD fans realize this?
 
WI has more potential but BD is more experienced.
BD doesn't have special fast bowlers for tests which are necessary in this format.
 
Pakpak said:
A BD-WI series would be great to watch, when was the last both played in a tour?
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I think 2014 was the Test tour took place. It'll be definitely better to watch - for that you won't see 2.3 RR or 10 runs in last hour of the day.
 
BDfanforever said:
Bd is more familiar with Lanka conditions than WI. If you loose the past 97 games but win the recent last 3 games it doesn't make your team good. Your record will be still 3-97, why doesnt BD fans realize this?
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Why on Earth does past record matters? Do you think cricket is ever played with thinking about the past performances?

Pakpak said:
Why are you continuing on with this lie?

The team BD beat had 9 players making debut, some of whom don't have even cricinfo profiles and they had all barely even played any FC cricket.

There is no comparison to the college team that BD played and the one playing now.
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True that team was less experienced but I think it had the likes of Sammy Roach. But I won't say it was the worst team ever it had some domestic players. The current West Indies side don't have too many spectacular batsmen either.
 
Executioner said:
Why on Earth does past record matters? Do you think cricket is ever played with thinking about the past performances?



True that team was less experienced but I think it had the likes of Sammy Roach. But I won't say it was the worst team ever it had some domestic players. The current West Indies side don't have too many spectacular batsmen either.
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You're comparing a team that had 9 debutantes with 50 FC matches between them and most of them not even having player profiles online to the team with international experience playing against Pakistan now? There is no comparison between the two. The team that BD beat were barely club cricketers.

Not to turn this into anti-Bangladesh rant, as I think BD has improved very well but there are no parallels between the two WI sides.
 
BD is worse than Zim team now.Even afg is better than them now in ODI. Hope some Pak poster will be happy.
 
Executioner said:
Why on Earth does past record matters? Do you think cricket is ever played with thinking about the past performances?
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Are you kidding me? Sometimes you win sometimes you loose. Losing two straight games does not mean your team is poor nor does winning two straight means your team is good.

If youve lost like the last 20 games, but won last 5 games your record is still 5-20 which is abysmal. You need more games/samples to say whether a team has become good or not.
 
BDfanforever said:
Bd is more familiar with Lanka conditions than WI. If you loose the past 97 games but win the recent last 3 games it doesn't make your team good. Your record will be still 3-97, why doesnt BD fans realize this?
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Pakpak said:
Why are you continuing on with this lie?

The team BD beat had 9 players making debut, some of whom don't have even cricinfo profiles and they had all barely even played any FC cricket.

There is no comparison to the college team that BD played and the one playing now.
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Pakpak said:
You're comparing a team that had 9 debutantes with 50 FC matches between them and most of them not even having player profiles online to the team with international experience playing against Pakistan now? There is no comparison between the two. The team that BD beat were barely club cricketers.

Not to turn this into anti-Bangladesh rant, as I think BD has improved very well but there are no parallels between the two WI sides.
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Fair enough. But tbh the current west Indies side is very weak.

BDfanforever said:
Are you kidding me? Sometimes you win sometimes you loose. Losing two straight games does not mean your team is poor nor does winning two straight means your team is good.

If youve lost like the last 20 games, but won last 5 games your record is still 5-20 which is abysmal. You need more games/samples to say whether a team has become good or not.
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Why are we going to be bothered about performance 10 years back? It's about how good you are now. Infact in the last 15 matches we played the record stands 5 wins 6 losses and rest were drawn. Not something outstanding by any stretch of the imagination.

Record can only get better. That's why you don't talk about performance of the past
 
Executioner said:
Fair enough. But tbh the current west Indies side is very weak.
This WI side will easily whitewash BD in the Carribbean like BD was whitewashed in 2014. In BD, it will be closer. Maybe in BD, BD will edge it out in a 3 test series 2-1.
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Executioner said:
Fair enough. But tbh the current west Indies side is very weak.



Why are we going to be bothered about performance 10 years back? It's about how good you are now. Infact in the last 15 matches we played the record stands 5 wins 6 losses and rest were drawn. Not something outstanding by any stretch of the imagination.

Record can only get better. That's why you don't talk about performance of the past
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I agree with that, this WI side isn't stellar. Its shameful we are struggling.
 
Pakpak said:
You're comparing a team that had 9 debutantes with 50 FC matches between them and most of them not even having player profiles online to the team with international experience playing against Pakistan now? There is no comparison between the two. The team that BD beat were barely club cricketers.

Not to turn this into anti-Bangladesh rant, as I think BD has improved very well but there are no parallels between the two WI sides.
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The reason there is a lot of reason to be hopeful for Bangladesh is that the seniors are still fairly young: Shakib just turned 30, Mushfiq I think is still 29, and Tamim just turned 28. They have been the heart and soul of the Bangladesh Test side for several years and are getting better with age. They have also have younger players who are stepping up on big occaisions and just need to become more consistent. Mominul is only 25, Mosaddek 21, Miraz 19, Mustafiz 21, and Taskin only 22. Sabbir, Soumya, Nasir, Taijul are also 26 or younger. Quite a young Test side.

The Test we won against England, we had a number of rookie players as follows:

Sabbir (1 cap)
Mehedi (1 cap)
Kamrul (1 cap)
Hom (7 caps)
Taijul (9 caps)

Thats 5 of the XI that had 10 or fewer Test matches at that time.

Against SL it was even more inexperienced:

Soumya (6 caps)
Mosaddek (0)
Mehedi (6)
Mustafiz (3)
Roy (2)
Taijul (12)

Thats more than half the side with less caps than Virat Kohli got in one home season alone.
 
Pakpak said:
I agree with that, this WI side isn't stellar. Its shameful we are struggling.
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They may not be stellar, but this WI team has a bit of talent, but what made the difference was passion and heart which no WI team has had in the last 20 years. I wouldn't sell them too short.
 
To make some of the posters happy, smile, clap:

BD will lose by an innings to WI at BD. BD will lose 2-0 at WI of course. The matches will end in one day.
 
Shutdown Corner said:
The reason there is a lot of reason to be hopeful for Bangladesh is that the seniors are still fairly young: Shakib just turned 30, Mushfiq I think is still 29, and Tamim just turned 28. They have been the heart and soul of the Bangladesh Test side for several years and are getting better with age. They have also have younger players who are stepping up on big occaisions and just need to become more consistent. Mominul is only 25, Mosaddek 21, Miraz 19, Mustafiz 21, and Taskin only 22. Sabbir, Soumya, Nasir, Taijul are also 26 or younger. Quite a young Test side.

The Test we won against England, we had a number of rookie players as follows:

Sabbir (1 cap)
Mehedi (1 cap)
Kamrul (1 cap)
Hom (7 caps)
Taijul (9 caps)

Thats 5 of the XI that had 10 or fewer Test matches at that time.

Against SL it was even more inexperienced:

Soumya (6 caps)
Mosaddek (0)
Mehedi (6)
Mustafiz (3)
Roy (2)
Taijul (12)

Thats more than half the side with less caps than Virat Kohli got in one home season alone.
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I agree, I said earlier BD is making big strides in Test matches. I think once your bowling in Test is settled you'll start getting series wins. As it stands, I doubt any team would now walk away from BD with easy Test wins.
 
Would be an interesting series. Hope it happens soon.

I'll go with Bangladesh being the better side. WI team has a lot of potential though.
 
Pakpak said:
I agree, I said earlier BD is making big strides in Test matches. I think once your bowling in Test is settled you'll start getting series wins. As it stands, I doubt any team would now walk away from BD with easy Test wins.
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Most sensible words i have ever heard from you. Bd is not a world beater at all but they are now coming of age in test too like odi. Long way for them to be big boy but they are not pushover anymore.
 
Nil Dhumrojal said:
Most sensible words i have ever heard from you. Bd is not a world beater at all but they are now coming of age in test too like odi. Long way for them to be big boy but they are not pushover anymore.
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I have never denied what I said, if a poster does not troll I don't mind debates. Shutdown Corner is probably one of the best non-Pakistani posters on PP, even if I disagree with his views time to time.

On topic, I don't know who would win between BD and WI in WI but I know that away teams will find winning in WI a lot easier than winning against BD in BD. What BD need is a few series wins in a row to give them the confidence and some pacers to take regular wickets. We had Sohail, even Rahat in England and now Amir and Abbas taking good wickets. The spinners will obviously do the bulk of the work but the pacers need to be there chipping in with some wickets, other than Musti I am not sure if BD have a consistent pacer for Tests?

The series against Australia is crucial, they were beaten by India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka (very easily by latter two) so this series will tell us where BD are in terms of their standing. Before the Indian tour I had BD as favorites easily but Australia performed good in India so let's see.
 
Pakpak said:
I have never denied what I said, if a poster does not troll I don't mind debates. Shutdown Corner is probably one of the best non-Pakistani posters on PP, even if I disagree with his views time to time.

On topic, I don't know who would win between BD and WI in WI but I know that away teams will find winning in WI a lot easier than winning against BD in BD. What BD need is a few series wins in a row to give them the confidence and some pacers to take regular wickets. We had Sohail, even Rahat in England and now Amir and Abbas taking good wickets. The spinners will obviously do the bulk of the work but the pacers need to be there chipping in with some wickets, other than Musti I am not sure if BD have a consistent pacer for Tests?

The series against Australia is crucial, they were beaten by India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka (very easily by latter two) so this series will tell us where BD are in terms of their standing. Before the Indian tour I had BD as favorites easily but Australia performed good in India so let's see.
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Thanks for the encouragement. I dont think Id make the top 5 foreigners though...I spend to much time trading barbs with a few "favorites" of mine, lol.
 
Pakpak said:
I have never denied what I said, if a poster does not troll I don't mind debates. Shutdown Corner is probably one of the best non-Pakistani posters on PP, even if I disagree with his views time to time.

On topic, I don't know who would win between BD and WI in WI but I know that away teams will find winning in WI a lot easier than winning against BD in BD. What BD need is a few series wins in a row to give them the confidence and some pacers to take regular wickets. We had Sohail, even Rahat in England and now Amir and Abbas taking good wickets. The spinners will obviously do the bulk of the work but the pacers need to be there chipping in with some wickets, other than Musti I am not sure if BD have a consistent pacer for Tests?

The series against Australia is crucial, they were beaten by India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka (very easily by latter two) so this series will tell us where BD are in terms of their standing. Before the Indian tour I had BD as favorites easily but Australia performed good in India so let's see.
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We need some consistent effective good pacers, i agree, to be good in test. This is the main weak link of bd team right now. But the current bunch has potential to be good with experience if they are given proper time to develop in different conditions. With experience i hope the current lot can be good.
 
Nil Dhumrojal said:
We need some consistent effective good pacers, i agree, to be good in test. This is the main weak link of bd team right now. But the current bunch has potential to be good with experience if they are given proper time to develop in different conditions. With experience i hope the current lot can be good.
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I am glad you lot got rid of Muhammad Shahid though :))

Your pace bowling, if sorted, should give you guys the imputes. Against Australia I think BD will turn up with spin wickets, so as long as you guys play Lyon well I'd say you will be okay. Should be a good series none the less!
 
Bangladesh is better team currently. If WI field their best possible team then they will be better.
 
Alright. Lets be serious. Fielding. How would you grade this WI team in that? out of 10. The result of a test match is directly collerated on how many catches have been dropped. Give Tamim a life, he will ask for another one in the next ball. Give Mushfiq-New Sakib a life, You may lose the match.
 
Australia would be favorite for me in Bangladesh after this Indian tour.. That being said Bangladesh has quality bowlers to exploit the conditions on slow wickets. So bit surprised by the comments favoring WI based on bowling attack.
 
Atm probably not a lot in it but in a couple of years time expecting BD to become a solid team in all forms especially at home and in SC conditions. Got a strong young core group of players and some very talented newcomers as well. Brain fades with the bat is something BD needs to work on and that should get better with more experience but other than that they have found a strong bowling unit and with Shakib there it gives them plenty of depth. WI might win here or there but that's about it. Don't see any consistency there.
 
WestIndies due to much better pace attack imo.
Roach has been fantastic since his comeback.
Overall roach,Gabriel,holder,cummins form decent pace attack.
Brathwaite,hope,chase are capable test batsman.
 
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