West Indies vs Pakistan | 3rd ODI | Tarouba | August 12 | Pre-Match Discussion

[Ball Blazer]

Pakistan and the West Indies are set to lock horns in the third ODI of the three-match series on August 12 at 9:30 AM Local, and 6:30 PM PST.

The match will be played at Brian Lara Stadium, Tarouba, Trinidad.

Pakistan defeated the West Indies by five wickets in the series opener, successfully chasing a 281-run target. Whereas, the West Indies won the second match through DLS method by 5 wickets to level the series 1-1.

Squads:

Pakistan Squad: Saim Ayub, Abdullah Shafique, Babar Azam, Mohammad Rizwan(w/c), Salman Agha, Hasan Nawaz, Hussain Talat, Faheem Ashraf, Shaheen Afridi, Naseem Shah, Sufiyan Muqeem, Mohammad Nawaz, Fakhar Zaman, Hasan Ali, Abrar Ahmed, Mohammad Haris

West Indies Squad: Brandon King, Evin Lewis, Keacy Carty, Shai Hope(w/c), Sherfane Rutherford, Roston Chase, Romario Shepherd, Gudakesh Motie, Shamar Joseph, Jayden Seales, Jediah Blades, Jewel Andrew, Johann Layne, Amir Jangoo, Justin Greaves

 

[mon858]

Man I wish they had kept sahibzada back would have been a good change to bring him in at the top.
Also bowling wise could have tried salman mirza. Not sure why Naseem selected to begin with.

 

[sweep_shot]

Pakistan should win.

 

[Rana]

Windies should drop blades for Shepherd

Blades is the only guy keeping Pakistan batters in with a chance

 

[mominsaigol]

Pakistan should win.

Depends on who chases

 

[Rana]

Depends on who chases

Windies have a 75% win record chasing

100% they will be favourites if Pak bat first.

 

[sweep_shot]

Windies should drop blades for Shepherd

Blades is the only guy keeping Pakistan batters in with a chance

Agree.

Shepherd can hit well also.

 

[mominsaigol]

Windies have a 75% win record chasing

100% they will be favourites if Pak bat first.

Pakistan cannot win if they bat first unless fakhar is involved. These boys aren't built for that.

Abdullah, Babar, Rizwan followed by Agha and Talat has to be the worst batting lineup i have ever seen.

I like Agha and talat but their not the perfect fit but idm them too much.

The batting needs to be built around saim, Farhan, Nawaz, Muhammad Haris and Fakhar(as long as fakhar is active). If it wasnt for that case, id advocate a return for Haider Ali as well.

I'd replace Talat with Kamran Ghulam who i believe is a better odi batsmen.

1) Fakhar
2) Saim
3) Shahibzada Farhan (I think he can slot at no 3 and do well tbh in odi)
4) Kamran Ghulam
5) Hasan Nawaz
6) Salman Ali Agha (use him as a makeshift batter, Promote him to no 4 if 2 wickets fall before the 15th to 20th over)
7) Muhammad Haris

^^ This is a solid odi team

 

[Ball Blazer]

Prediction: WI win series 2-1.

 

[cricfan432]

Bring in haris somehow with hasan nawaz, let babar open drop shafique if you really want to win. Look at what rutherford did today. Same haris can do

 

[mominsaigol]

Bring in haris somehow with hasan nawaz, let babar open drop shafique if you really want to win. Look at what rutherford did today. Same haris can do

Babar opening experiment failed in CT + NZ amd SA series.

 

[zahid01]

Pakistan is carrying to many passengers at the moment past reputations babar rizwan hassan ali mohd nawaz afridi naseem faheem we need to invest in youngsters going back to ttf is no brainer off course not ever young player is going to be successful like hasan nawaz but still we need to give them the chance to prove themselves these oldies are a cancer to Pakistan cricket

 

[sweep_shot]

This tour has been pretty entertaining.

It is fitting that the final game is the decider.

 

[Rana]

This tour has been pretty entertaining.

It is fitting that the final game is the decider.

You enjoy all the drama between Pak fans don’t you?

 

[sweep_shot]

You enjoy all the drama between Pak fans don’t you?

No.

I enjoy good cricket games. I think this tour has been good. Not one-sided.

 

[Inswinging Yorker]

The dropped catch by Abrar off Rutherford was a turning point.But credit to Windies who executed their plans well with bat and ball.

 

[RidiculousMan]

No.

I enjoy good cricket games. I think this tour has been good. Not one-sided.

Do you follow Bangladesh Cricket as closely as Pakistan Cricket?

 

[sweep_shot]

Do you follow Bangladesh Cricket as closely as Pakistan Cricket?

I follow many teams. I even follow Uganda.

I am a cricket fan first. I am not emotionally attached to any team (not even my country's team). I just want to see good cricket.

It is probably because I used to play hard ball cricket myself here in Canada; I don't look at things as an armchair critic. I look at things objectively and neutrally.

 

[nish_mate]

Objectively & Neutrally- rofl.........

 

[shamaan]

If it's being played on the same strip then I will go with.

Abdullah
Saim
Babar
Hussain talat (left hand batter)
Agha Salman
Rizwan
Hassan Nawaz
Nawaz
Hassan Ali
Abrar
Sufiyaan

 

[shah9425]

InshAllah Pakistan will win tomorrow

 

[BlackstoneRock]

so wi has achieved it’s objective and improved their ranking whilst even if pak wins series it still stay at dropped ranking

 

[sweep_shot]

InshAllah Pakistan will win tomorrow

In sha Allah.

They should. They are the better team on paper.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Bowling averages of some of Pakistan’s part-time bowlers in ODIs this year:

147.00 Salman Agha
105.00 Khushdil Shah
81.90 Saim Ayub

Source: Mazhar Arshad

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Shaheen Afridi in ODIs since SA/NZ ODI tri-series from earlier this year:

12 wickets @ 35.58. ER: 7.00, SR: 30

Take out the 4-fer against West Indies from the first ODI and that bowling average jumps to 47

He is bowling worse than a trundler right now.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Bowling averages of some of Pakistan’s part-time bowlers in ODIs this year:

147.00 Salman Agha
105.00 Khushdil Shah
81.90 Saim Ayub

Source: Mazhar Arshad

Salman is really not good for limited overs cricket. He's nothing more than a filler. Don't expect him to get you wickets. Pakistan only has 1 ready wicket taker spinner in limited overs and that's Abrar. M Nawaz is also gaining in confidence and he is 2nd wicket taker.

Sufiyan is young. Pakistan need to play Sufiyan and Abrar as much as they can.

 

[Obaidd]

All eyes on Babar, Rizwan and Salman. Each side getting its knives ready.

Match 1: All three gave meh performances and pak won. This gave both sides support for their arguments.

Match 2: All three gave bad performances and Pak lost. Again giving ample content for both sides.

Series is so nicely set. It’s not Pak vs WI any more, it’s about Babar, Rizwan and Salman.

 

[Obaidd]

If it's being played on the same strip then I will go with.

Abdullah
Saim
Babar
Hussain talat (left hand batter)
Agha Salman
Rizwan
Hassan Nawaz
Nawaz
Hassan Ali
Abrar
Sufiyaan

Isn’t Hassan Nawaz wasted at 7? I mean that’s too low, I think he can play longer innings. No. 6 is fine for now. Later he should move higher.

 

[sweep_shot]

Isn’t Hassan Nawaz wasted at 7? I mean that’s too low, I think he can play longer innings. No. 6 is fine for now. Later he should move higher.

I think Hassan Nawaz should come in at #4 in ODI.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Salman is really not good for limited overs cricket. He's nothing more than a filler. Don't expect him to get you wickets. Pakistan only has 1 ready wicket taker spinner in limited overs and that's Abrar. M Nawaz is also gaining in confidence and he is 2nd wicket taker.

Sufiyan is young. Pakistan need to play Sufiyan and Abrar as much as they can.

I wouldn't get too excited about Nawaz. His bowling record in ODIs against teams that aren't minnows or West Indies is truly atrocious. Tailender-like numbers with the bat too. He's a minnow-basher and rating him as anything more is a mistake in my eyes. For me his incompetence was exposed in the 2023 World Cup where he averaged like 111 with the ball on pitches where bowlers like Mitch Santner were among the best ones of the tournament.

Pakistan need to get real and stop relying on part-timers so much. This strategy is simply not working. It's one thing to have one part-timer. But Pakistan are actively looking at part-timers as the fifth bowling option.

 

[Aqib_mustafa]

I wouldn't get too excited about Nawaz. His bowling record in ODIs against teams that aren't minnows or West Indies is truly atrocious. Tailender-like numbers with the bat too. He's a minnow-basher and rating him as anything more is a mistake in my eyes. For me his incompetence was exposed in the 2023 World Cup where he averaged like 111 with the ball on pitches where bowlers like Mitch Santner were among the best ones of the tournament.

Pakistan need to get real and stop relying on part-timers so much. This strategy is simply not working. It's one thing to have one part-timer. But Pakistan are actively looking at part-timers as the fifth bowling option.

Bro nawaz got the most turn in last match i am not sure who is better than him in pakistan with both bat and ball guy can turn the ball sufiyan is still not ready for odis yet and i am a huge fan of sufiyan in t20 he is great but in odis sufiyan needs time as of now nawaz is a decent option for slow pitches of tri series and asia cup still remember how he won pakistan a match vs india the n asia cup he surely can bowl and bat its all about giving him confidence and don't drop him that's where we as nation get wrong we are to quick to drop players.

 

[Inswinging Yorker]

Hope there are no interruptions with the weather. Today was very hot son. Sadly we may have some rain tomorrow. That is how the weather pattern is in the rainy season. I think Windies will be very confident to win tomorrow.

 

[shamaan]

Isn’t Hassan Nawaz wasted at 7? I mean that’s too low, I think he can play longer innings. No. 6 is fine for now. Later he should move higher.

I think should bat higher but we need left handed in the top 5/6 and pluss we need a finisher.

 

[Rana]

Hope there are no interruptions with the weather. Today was very hot son. Sadly we may have some rain tomorrow. That is how the weather pattern is in the rainy season. I think Windies will be very confident to win tomorrow.

Are you there in Trinidad?

 

[Obaidd]

I think Hassan Nawaz should come in at #4 in ODI.

I do feel Hassan Nawaz is the real deal but would keep him at 6 and let him settle in a role. Don’t want too much change for him.

 

[Inswinging Yorker]

Are you there in Trinidad?

Yes. We had similar hot sun on saturday only to have the pain in d butt weather on sunday. In fact it rained a bit just now during magrib. it is now 7.pm and it just stopped