"Western media has never criticised India as much as it's doing now" : PM IK in national address

[Abdullah719]

"Western media has never criticised India as much as it's doing now" : PM IK in national address

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Prime Minister Imran Khan on Monday addressed the nation on the Kashmir issue and the government's future strategy on the situation in the occupied region.

The premier started his address by saying that he wanted to share with the public the government's policy and stance in view of the existing situation in occupied Kashmir.

"When I came to power, we wanted to solve it and bring peace. India and we share many problems; inflation, poverty, unemployment and climate change, etc.

"So we wanted to be friends with everyone [...] When I came into power, I made many overtures for dialogue [to India] but there were always some problems," the prime minister said.

"First they had elections coming up, so we waited for that to be over, we thought when elections would be over, the situation will be different. Then Pulwama happened; a Kashmiri man blew himself up.

"They (India), instead of introspecting, pointed fingers at us. After the elections, we realised they had a different agenda and they tried to blacklist Pakistan at FATF.

"On August 5 they sent additional military troops in Kashmir and announced that it was now part of India. This was against the vision of their founding fathers and UN resolutions," he added.

He said it was important for the public to understand the ideology of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) party — said to be a parent organisation of India's ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) — of which Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi has been a member.

"They (RSS) believe that Hindus are supreme and others are second-class citizens. They have a fascist ideology, they have been sidelined by India's past government as a terrorist organisation.

"They were the ones who assassinated [Mahatma] Gandhi for trying to promote Hindu-Muslim unity. After [former prime minister Jawaharlal] Nehru's death, the RSS ideology started gaining ground.

"This was the ideology that Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah saw and worked towards the creation of Pakistan. Our ideology is based on the Holy Quran and believes in the protection of minorities; RSS has the opposite mindset."

Prime Minister said Modi had made a "historic blunder" by revoking occupied Kashmir's special autonomy and in doing so "he has opened the way to Kashmir's freedom".

"We received information that they were planning a false-flag operation like what they did in Balakot, to divert attention from occupied Kashmir.

"We won on the diplomatic front; we internationalised the Kashmir issue, talked to heads of states, their embassies [and] the UN Security Council called a session on Kashmir for the first time since 1965. We also kept raising this for the international media to report and they picked this up."

Outlining the government's future strategy to deal with the situation in occupied Kashmir, the premier said: "First, I believe, the entire nation should stand with the Kashmiri nation. I have said this that I will act as Kashmir's ambassador.

"I will tell the world about this, I have shared this with heads of states that I have been in contact with. I will raise this issue at the UN as well.

"I read in the newspapers that people are disappointed that Muslim countries are not siding with Kashmir. I want to tell you not to be disappointed; if some countries are not raising this issue because of their economic interests, they will eventually take this issue up. They will have to, with time.

"The western media has never criticised India as much as it is doing right now. I want to tell the Kashmiri people that whether the world stands with them or not, Pakistan will."

The prime minister announced that a ceremony will be held every week to show solidarity with the Kashmiri people and coming Friday, the nation will come out between 12-12:30pm to show solidarity.

"They (India) have played their trump card, they don't have any card to play now. Now whatever needs to be done will be done by us and the world.

"This is the UN's responsibility, they promised the people of Kashmir that they would protect them. Historically, the world bodies have always sided with the powerful but the UN should know that 1.25 billion Muslims are looking towards it.

"Will these big countries keep looking at their economic interests only? Because they should remember, both countries have nuclear weapons.

"In a nuclear war, no one will win. It will only wreak havoc in this region, but the entire world will face consequences," the premier concluded.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1501784/m...rs-autonomy-says-pm-imran-in-national-address

 

[MenInG]

No let up from IK - pressure continues.

 

[JaDed]

"Will these big countries keep looking at their economic interests only? “

How is Mr.Khan able to take a moral high ground on this when he voted in favor of China wrt Chinese Muslims, even Qatar withdrew their support.

Indian failure to highlight Imran Khans hypocrisy highlights the failure of foreign policy.

 

[Syed1]

"Will these big countries keep looking at their economic interests only? “

How is Mr.Khan able to take a moral high ground on this when he voted in favor of China wrt Chinese Muslims, even Qatar withdrew their support.

Indian failure to highlight Imran Khans hypocrisy highlights the failure of foreign policy.

So its ok for India to oppress, maim and kill Muslims just because China is doing the same?

 

[cricketjoshila]

No let up from IK - pressure continues.

Hardly any country is putting any pressure on India. Pakistan is talking but at this poibt in time, pakistan has almost no leverage on India.

 

[anand99]

Imran is grasping. Modi just attended the G7 through invitation and discussed everything but Kashmir. None of the global economic powers care because their relationship with India is too valuable for them. Money talks ** walks

 

[Syed1]

Pakistani PM addressing Pakistani nation. Indians getting stomach cramps )

 

[JaDed]

So its ok for India to oppress, maim and kill Muslims just because China is doing the same?

No , its not.. but all this is politics, does Imran really care here, it doesn’t matter actually, him highlighting the issue and clearly not acknowledging the Chinese one even when asked speaks volume, and this is a failure of BJP govn , they have nothing much in western media anymore unlike the time of Congress.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Imran is grasping. Modi just attended the G7 through invitation and discussed everything but Kashmir. None of the global economic powers care because their relationship with India is too valuable for them. Money talks ** walks

Historically arabs havent sided with pakistan, those sauds got a 75 billion deal in india recently whats the chance that was used to shut them up on kashmir.

 

[anand99]

Pakistani PM addressing Pakistani nation. Indians getting stomach cramps )

You don't see that he is spinning you a nice kashmiri sweater?

 

[Extra_Cover]

One thing that everyone will agree who know Imran is that this guy never gives up.

Just have a look into his political career, he was dismissed as a joke and was literally laughed at in his early political days. Started off as a single guy party back in late 90s and boy he never gave up. 22 years of legit struggle later he had the biggest party in Pakistan.

If he says he would act as Ambassador of Kashmir and would raise this matter at every given opportunity then by all means he will do that. The only question now stands is that how loud a noise Pakistan can make in international community and can they keep this noise up for weeks, months or perhaps years? Time will tell.

 

[anand99]

Historically arabs havent sided with pakistan, those sauds got a 75 billion deal in india recently whats the chance that was used to shut them up on kashmir.

Could have very well played a role. Like I said, the only way Pakistan can gain global recognition and compete is if it focused on improving its economy. It easier for a smaller nation like Pakistan to do this than India if you put your mind to it. Singapore is a great model to follow for all small countries.

 

[Syed1]

You don't see that he is spinning you a nice kashmiri sweater?

You are from a country whose PM, government and media are spinning the facts and saying "all is well" in Kashmir and 95% of Indians are lapping it up, even though every single international media house has contradicted that stance. So save us that lecture of "kashmiri sweater".

 

[KingKhanWC]

No , its not.. but all this is politics, does Imran really care here, it doesn’t matter actually, him highlighting the issue and clearly not acknowledging the Chinese one even when asked speaks volume, and this is a failure of BJP govn , they have nothing much in western media anymore unlike the time of Congress.

So you agree to India is oppressing Muslims in Kashmir? . Otherwise it would be stupid to bring up a comparison of what you feel is oppression in China.

 

[JaDed]

So you agree to India is oppressing Muslims in Kashmir? . Otherwise it would be stupid to bring up a comparison of what you feel is oppression in China.

I actually do believe their freedoms are curtailed , I do support removal of article but not being allowed to protest is incorrect and political.

Also you don’t think Chinese are oppressing so why are you quoting me and saying its same thing.

 

[anand99]

You are from a country whose PM, government and media are spinning the facts and saying "all is well" in Kashmir and 95% of Indians are lapping it up, even though every single international media house has contradicted that stance. So save us that lecture of "kashmiri sweater".

They party in power can claim all they want but there is opposing views points expressed daily by media . Do you watch barkha dutt's Channel or NDTV?

 

[KingKhanWC]

I actually do believe their freedoms are curtailed , I do support removal of article but not being allowed to protest is incorrect and political.

Also you don’t think Chinese are oppressing so why are you quoting me and saying its same thing.

You’re struggling to say clearly they are being oppressed. Don’t worry modi won’t come after you , spit it out . Kashmiris are being oppressed, use the term .

There is no one independent verified information regarding China & Chinese Muslims have better rights than Christians & bhuddists in the country as a whole . India has a Hindu extremist governed who simply hate all Muslims , China isn’t the same .

 

[JaDed]

You’re struggling to say clearly they are being oppressed. Don’t worry modi won’t come after you , spit it out . Kashmiris are being oppressed, use the term .

There is no one independent verified information regarding China & Chinese Muslims have better rights than Christians & bhuddists in the country as a whole . India has a Hindu extremist governed who simply hate all Muslims , China isn’t the same .

Ok.. your second paragraph makes me not reply to your first one, so carry on.

 

[Extra_Cover]

I quite like the idea of peaceful protest on a weekly basis. If we all turn up and come out of our houses, offices or other places and show the world a united message then it would make the loudest noise.

A picture would speak louder than words. Ideally we would want this weekly message covered by international media as well.

 

[Varun]

The irony is that both Imran and Modi can win entire elections milking this Kashmir non-event alone.

 

[kk1992]

The irony is that both Imran and Modi can win entire elections milking this Kashmir non-event alone.

Imran khan has already won election.

Imran Khan did not have to sent plane across the border on a botched up airstrike.

Imran khan isn't trying to oppress the large group of population.

And the most important, regardless of who is the PM of Pakistan, Pakistani will always support Kashmiri struggle against oppression.

Please do not belittle Pakistani by comparing with Indians, Pakistan has not elected someone who used the narrative of hate and division among religion lines.

 

[barah_admi]

I heard that talk is cheap.

 

[Ram Shekhar]

Imran is a sharp shooter. I can see the RSS goons already shivering in their lungis back home. As a secular fellow, Imran made me smile with his amazing speech today. #BestPM

 

[classic]

Do not underestimate the Will power of Imran Khan and Pakistan. The work has started as of today for All Pakistan.

 

[JaDed]

Imran is a sharp shooter. I can see the RSS goons already shivering in their lungis back home. As a secular fellow, Imran made me smile with his amazing speech today. #BestPM

Rss don’t wear lungis but Chaddis , if you were Indian you would know, the secular Malayalees wear lungis.

 

[Mueez]

Imran Khan, a once in a generation kind of leader.

Pakistan is honored to have a PM like him.

 

[Thomaskutty]

I like the fact that India has completely ignored him and not responded to anything he's said in the last 2 weeks, it must be hugely frustrating for him. I wonder what's he's trying to achieve.

 

[MenInG]

I like the fact that India has completely ignored him and not responded to anything he's said in the last 2 weeks, it must be hugely frustrating for him. I wonder what's he's trying to achieve.

Bit simplistic to assume that they arent responding. They are talking to Trump, UN etc

 

[cricketjoshila]

Bit simplistic to assume that they arent responding. They are talking to Trump, UN etc

G7 meet was scheduled for long time. Its not that Modi went to France to meet Trump esp for Kashmir.

 

[Savak]

One has to admire IK's attribute of remaining positive, upbeat and always focusing on the positive side of things even in the most dire circumstances. No wonder this guy won the ODI WC, built the cancer hospitals, namal university and finally came to power after an impossible 22 year old struggle against a ruthless powerful mafia. Hopefully these qualities can make him one of the best leaders of the subcontinent and for Pakistan's sake he has to be in power for a good 20-30 years.

 

[MenInG]

G7 meet was scheduled for long time. Its not that Modi went to France to meet Trump esp for Kashmir.

but he could have "not spoken" about Kashmir.

 

[Thulsa]

This romanticism of IK is baffling in all honesty.

Mentally strong, knows no weakness etc - really? If he were a good leader he would prioritise the needs of Pakistan’s people first and foremost - that’s his mandate.

This is nothing but petty sabre rattling - from both sides of the border. Violence against minorities, appalling hygiene, women treated poorly, sanitation woes - that’s what both countries should be focusing on.

Neither Pakistan or India is fit to focus on the plight of Kashmiris until their own respective houses are in order.

 

[Mamoon]

This romanticism of IK is baffling in all honesty.

Mentally strong, knows no weakness etc - really? If he were a good leader he would prioritise the needs of Pakistan’s people first and foremost - that’s his mandate.

This is nothing but petty sabre rattling - from both sides of the border. Violence against minorities, appalling hygiene, women treated poorly, sanitation woes - that’s what both countries should be focusing on.

Neither Pakistan or India is fit to focus on the plight of Kashmiris until their own respective houses are in order.

That is all his supporters can do, because that is all Imran can do with respect to Kashmir. He knows he is powerless and the only thing he can do is make statements. His supporters know this as well, and the only thing they can do is commend him for making statements.

 

[Syed1]

That is all his supporters can do, because that is all Imran can do with respect to Kashmir. He knows he is powerless and the only thing he can do is make statements. His supporters know this as well, and the only thing they can do is commend him for making statements.

His supporters and even those who don't support him are patriotic Pakistanis and they do not need a lecture from traitors.

 

[Napa]

but he could have "not spoken" about Kashmir.

Trump pretty much endorsed India's line that Kashmir is for India and Pakistan to settle bilaterally.

"Trump says India, Pakistan can handle Kashmir dispute on their own"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...le-kashmir-dispute-on-their-own-idUSKCN1VG150

Seems like Modi and Trump are all smiles and happy to be meeting again.

 

[Extra_Cover]

That is all his supporters can do, because that is all Imran can do with respect to Kashmir. He knows he is powerless and the only thing he can do is make statements. His supporters know this as well, and the only thing they can do is commend him for making statements.

Credit where its due he is doing all he can so he should be appreciated for that. Pakistan is a small fish in a large pond and all it can do is fight till it can. I'm actually happy that we are fighting with all the willpower we got even if that includes making statements or making noise in media, whatever. As long as I can see my PM fighting for a cause I would be standing by him and commending him.

He may be powerless and all this might very well be futile. But he is a trier with a never give up attitude which is why people admire him and he is an inspiration to most.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Trump pretty much endorsed India's line that Kashmir is for India and Pakistan to settle bilaterally.

"Trump says India, Pakistan can handle Kashmir dispute on their own"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...le-kashmir-dispute-on-their-own-idUSKCN1VG150

Seems like Modi and Trump are all smiles and happy to be meeting again.

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That picture is misleading Modi was talking to reporter in hindi and then Trump remarked you know he can speak very good english and modi started holding his hand and smiling.

Dont give me that bull. Ideally the west want both states to sort it out but ind has no intention to talk so eventually the un will join in.

Also see the full clip trump smiling but quickly wants to move his hand.

You cant just get rid of peoples freedoms.

 

[Napa]

That picture is misleading Modi was talking to reporter in hindi and then Trump remarked you know he can speak very good english and modi started holding his hand and smiling.

Dont give me that bull. Ideally the west want both states to sort it out but ind has no intention to talk so eventually the un will join in.

Also see the full clip trump smiling but quickly wants to move his hand.

You cant just get rid of peoples freedoms.

You can watch the full clip here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzGov7qOoLw

The relevant part is from 8:30 to 8:50. Trump doesn't "quickly wants to move his hand", rather he again reaches out and touches Modi's hand again. Very good body language for the 2 leaders.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That picture is misleading Modi was talking to reporter in hindi and then Trump remarked you know he can speak very good english and modi started holding his hand and smiling.

Dont give me that bull. Ideally the west want both states to sort it out but ind has no intention to talk so eventually the un will join in.

Also see the full clip trump smiling but quickly wants to move his hand.

You cant just get rid of peoples freedoms.

No one will force India to talk or intervene. India will only talk on its terms.

 

[rhony]

but he could have "not spoken" about Kashmir.

Modi can't escape from the Kashmir focus. That's a given. It's not a small matter either. It's a bold step in this day and age. He is facing it and he was prepared.

Pakistan claiming it a diplomatic victory is a bit far fetched considering there is no pressure on India whatsoever. However, right now this is the only move Imran has. He is doing his best but the best isn't nowhere enough.

 

[rhony]

That picture is misleading Modi was talking to reporter in hindi and then Trump remarked you know he can speak very good english and modi started holding his hand and smiling.

Dont give me that bull. Ideally the west want both states to sort it out but ind has no intention to talk so eventually the un will join in.

Also see the full clip trump smiling but quickly wants to move his hand.

You cant just get rid of peoples freedoms.

India's narrative has merit for now. They are choosing to save lives at the cost of freedom. However it remains to be seen how it will be once the restrictions are lifted. One things for sure, it won't be mayhem as it would have been the day after if there wasn't a curfiew. There is no pressure on Modi. He said right in front of Trump that it's a bilateral issue and he will take care of it with Pakistan. Obviously he won't but he's been successful to thwart any international meddling in this.

 

[pillionrider]

Rss don’t wear lungis but Chaddis , if you were Indian you would know, the secular Malayalees wear lungis.

I think it's a lesson a day for our Indian brother. First 'The Hindu' vs 'Hindu. And now lungi vs chaddi )

 

[Napa]

One thing that everyone will agree who know Imran is that this guy never gives up.

Just have a look into his political career, he was dismissed as a joke and was literally laughed at in his early political days. Started off as a single guy party back in late 90s and boy he never gave up. 22 years of legit struggle later he had the biggest party in Pakistan.

If he says he would act as Ambassador of Kashmir and would raise this matter at every given opportunity then by all means he will do that. The only question now stands is that how loud a noise Pakistan can make in international community and can they keep this noise up for weeks, months or perhaps years? Time will tell.

Suppose you go and beat your head on a stone wall and it doesn't break. You decide you are not the sort of person to give up, so you spend the next 50 years beating your head on the wall, and then you die.

IK can "act as Ambassador of Kashmir and would raise this matter at every given opportunity" but all he will succeed in doing is annoying world leaders for wasting their time. They know what the issues are for Kashmir, and being lectured by IK again and again is wasting their time.

They support India not because they don't know about Kashmir, they support India because they believe Kashmiris have democratic rights and because they have strong trade ties with India.

Instead IK should show determination to improve the Pakistani economy by developing modern industries in Pakistan. That's the only war worth fighting.

 

[Ram Shekhar]

Rss don’t wear lungis but Chaddis , if you were Indian you would know, the secular Malayalees wear lungis.

Why are you getting your lungi in a twist when I say that? I very well know that RSS guys wear khaki chaddis.

 

[Romie89]

Why are you getting your lungi in a twist when I say that? I very well know that RSS guys wear khaki chaddis.

India need more secular people like
[MENTION=149871]Ram Shekhar[/MENTION]..Big Fan of your Straightforward views Sir... My Favourite Indian poster on this Forum...

 

[Ram Shekhar]

India need more secular people like
[MENTION=149871]Ram Shekhar[/MENTION]..Big Fan of your Straightforward views Sir... My Favourite Indian poster on this Forum... &#55357;&#56911;

I'm truly humbled. I will continue to speak the truth in these uncertain times. That is one of the many values us secular people should always hold!

 

[Romie89]

I'm truly humbled. I will continue to speak the truth in these uncertain times. That is one of the many values us secular people should always hold!

Keep it up... Very few Sane Indian Voices on this forum...

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Suppose you go and beat your head on a stone wall and it doesn't break. You decide you are not the sort of person to give up, so you spend the next 50 years beating your head on the wall, and then you die.

IK can "act as Ambassador of Kashmir and would raise this matter at every given opportunity" but all he will succeed in doing is annoying world leaders for wasting their time. They know what the issues are for Kashmir, and being lectured by IK again and again is wasting their time.

They support India not because they don't know about Kashmir, they support India because they believe Kashmiris have democratic rights and because they have strong trade ties with India.

Instead IK should show determination to improve the Pakistani economy by developing modern industries in Pakistan. That's the only war worth fighting.

Trade ties yes but dont forget these western countries are democracies when the population rises they hav to take notice.

They all blindly supported South Africa, the apatheid govt fell eventually, kashmir is going to be difficult but is possible.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Trade ties yes but dont forget these western countries are democracies when the population rises they hav to take notice.

They all blindly supported South Africa, the apatheid govt fell eventually, kashmir is going to be difficult but is possible.

Why will the non pakistani population bother? How many non pakistanis or non muslims have talked about Kashmir?

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

Why will the non pakistani population bother? How many non pakistanis or non muslims have talked about Kashmir?

They don't know the history, they don't know the promises Nehru and the UN made to kashmiris. It will likely get more attention.

 

[Napa]

Trade ties yes but dont forget these western countries are democracies when the population rises they hav to take notice.

They all blindly supported South Africa, the apatheid govt fell eventually, kashmir is going to be difficult but is possible.

Firstly, every rational non-ignorant person knows the treatment of the Uyghurs is much worse than that of the Pakistanis. The allegations include millions being put in concentration camps where they are beaten and starved unless they sing "patriotic songs", women are forcibly sterilized, children taken away from their parents, etc. So if the Western public opinion indeed has an impact, then China would lose the Uyghurs before India lost Kashmir.

Secondly, after 70 years of complaining if the Western public opinion hasn't changed, there is no reason why it will be now.

Thirdly, you guys keep forgetting that Kashmiris have full democratic rights when you make these ridiculous comparisons to SA. You may think SA and Kashmir are the same, but anyone with information and a bit of sense does not. Kashmir is all about religion.

Finally, you are naive about the power and direction of Western public opinion. It tolerates horrible dictatorships all around the world. The reason SA happened was that the US has a substantial population (15%) of citizens of African ancestry. So the domestic political calculations of the politicians were entirely different.

Its like I have been watching this guy bang his head against a stone wall for 70 years. Being the nice guy that I am, I go over and tell him that it's a stone wall. But he doesn't listen thinking his head will someday break the wall.
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION] [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION]

 

[rhony]

Firstly, every rational non-ignorant person knows the treatment of the Uyghurs is much worse than that of the Pakistanis. The allegations include millions being put in concentration camps where they are beaten and starved unless they sing "patriotic songs", women are forcibly sterilized, children taken away from their parents, etc. So if the Western public opinion indeed has an impact, then China would lose the Uyghurs before India lost Kashmir.

Secondly, after 70 years of complaining if the Western public opinion hasn't changed, there is no reason why it will be now.

Thirdly, you guys keep forgetting that Kashmiris have full democratic rights when you make these ridiculous comparisons to SA. You may think SA and Kashmir are the same, but anyone with information and a bit of sense does not. Kashmir is all about religion.

Finally, you are naive about the power and direction of Western public opinion. It tolerates horrible dictatorships all around the world. The reason SA happened was that the US has a substantial population (15%) of citizens of African ancestry. So the domestic political calculations of the politicians were entirely different.

Its like I have been watching this guy bang his head against a stone wall for 70 years. Being the nice guy that I am, I go over and tell him that it's a stone wall. But he doesn't listen thinking his head will someday break the wall.
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=134505]rhony[/MENTION] [MENTION=428]Romali_rotti[/MENTION]

People are getting confused. India didn't give Kashmiris a second class status. They just curtailed the "special" status. They will be treated as other Indians. Nobody except for Pakistan is actually caring about it. Pakistan cares because they've been told Kashmir is their jugular vein. They've been told as kids that they need to liberate Kashmir when they get older. They've been comforted that Pak cannot lose Kashmir as they have nuclear weapons. They've been preached that a Hindu, thereby India is a coward and will run away during a confrontation. All this propaganda in print, media since childhood has made Kashmir a life and death situation for Pakistanis. When they don't see the same reaction for other countries, they get shocked.

 

[JaDed]

I think it's a lesson a day for our Indian brother. First 'The Hindu' vs 'Hindu. And now lungi vs chaddi )

Gujrat vs Gujarat was another one.

 

[Napa]

People are getting confused. India didn't give Kashmiris a second class status. <b>They just curtailed the "special" status. They will be treated as other Indians. </b>Nobody except for Pakistan is actually caring about it. Pakistan cares because they've been told Kashmir is their jugular vein. They've been told as kids that they need to liberate Kashmir when they get older. They've been comforted that Pak cannot lose Kashmir as they have nuclear weapons. They've been preached that a Hindu, thereby India is a coward and will run away during a confrontation. All this propaganda in print, media since childhood has made Kashmir a life and death situation for Pakistanis. When they don't see the same reaction for other countries, they get shocked.

This!

The rest of your post explains why we should be ready for a hundred more years of the head banging against the stone wall. Maybe after that they will finally see the light.

 

[Napa]

Gujrat vs Gujarat was another one.

Trolling can be a fine art. This one is just poor.

 

[Extra_Cover]

People are getting confused. India didn't give Kashmiris a second class status. They just curtailed the "special" status. They will be treated as other Indians. Nobody except for Pakistan is actually caring about it. Pakistan cares because they've been told Kashmir is their jugular vein. They've been told as kids that they need to liberate Kashmir when they get older. They've been comforted that Pak cannot lose Kashmir as they have nuclear weapons. They've been preached that a Hindu, thereby India is a coward and will run away during a confrontation. All this propaganda in print, media since childhood has made Kashmir a life and death situation for Pakistanis. When they don't see the same reaction for other countries, they get shocked.

I think you are missing the larger picture here. You will notice a lot of international media articles and reports is not necessarily around revocation of special status law, it is around human rights violations. The part around the law will be dealt around legislatively i.e. UN platform as its violation of their resolution.

For now all focus is on human rights violation for which there is no official answer from India.

 

[kk1992]

This!

The rest of your post explains why we should be ready for a hundred more years of the head banging against the stone wall. Maybe after that they will finally see the light.

And that light would be?

 

[Extra_Cover]

After a long time these series of events have started happening in which from a neutral aspect as well its concurred that India is in the wrong. For decades Pakistan was portrayed as the problem child in the international media and now after so long its India who is in the wrong.

There will be no overnight solution to this, but what this event has lead to is an opportunity to internationalize the atrocities in India not only in Kashmir but throughout India. As I said before the only thing Pakistan can do right now is make noise and point out to atrocities, if they continue doing so either with peaceful protests as organised on Friday or outside embassies, etc they will continue to garner attention and keep this issue afloat. As long as this issue is in media Indian government would be reluctant to lift curfew and as long as they don'f lift curfew India is in the wrong. Again, might not have overnight impact on India of this but certainly helps in creating an international perception about Indian Government albeit not a good one.

 

[rhony]

I think you are missing the larger picture here. You will notice a lot of international media articles and reports is not necessarily around revocation of special status law, it is around human rights violations. The part around the law will be dealt around legislatively i.e. UN platform as its violation of their resolution.

For now all focus is on human rights violation for which there is no official answer from India.

That I agree. There is only so many days this can go on. The clamp down will be limited to a few thousand soon I think. Will be interesting to see how the people react once the restrictions are off

 

[rhony]

And that light would be?

Indian Kashmir is gone. All the money, schemes, time spent on that could have been spent on Pakistan

 

[Napa]

And that light would be?

And that light would be... the realization that the only result of banging your head against a stone wall is a bloody head and a scrambled brain.

 

[Extra_Cover]

Suppose you go and beat your head on a stone wall and it doesn't break. You decide you are not the sort of person to give up, so you spend the next 50 years beating your head on the wall, and then you die.

IK can "act as Ambassador of Kashmir and would raise this matter at every given opportunity" but all he will succeed in doing is annoying world leaders for wasting their time. They know what the issues are for Kashmir, and being lectured by IK again and again is wasting their time.

They support India not because they don't know about Kashmir, they support India because they believe Kashmiris have democratic rights and because they have strong trade ties with India.

Instead IK should show determination to improve the Pakistani economy by developing modern industries in Pakistan. That's the only war worth fighting.

Your point makes no sense. IK is not banging his head against a rock because he is not asking Kashmir to be part of Pakistan.

IK is making the right type of noise, the type that people have to listen and that is highlighting human rights violations. Once he is stressing on the fact that human rights are being violated then international media has to listen there is no way around it and with the fact that international media echoes his noises his words speak louder. Finally, with pin drop silence from India only adds to IK's favour here.

I think in a long time Pakistan is making all the right moves when it comes to internationalizing the issue on Kashmir and the more worrying fact is that India are making all the wrong moves. Eventually, sometime down the line maybe weeks, months or perhaps years if something does come about from all these chain of events it would be largely due to India's negligence and overconfidence than Imran's persistence.

 

[Napa]

Your point makes no sense. IK is not banging his head against a rock because he is not asking Kashmir to be part of Pakistan.

IK is making the right type of noise, the type that people have to listen and that is highlighting human rights violations. Once he is stressing on the fact that human rights are being violated then international media has to listen there is no way around it and with the fact that international media echoes his noises his words speak louder. Finally, with pin drop silence from India only adds to IK's favour here.

I think in a long time Pakistan is making all the right moves when it comes to internationalizing the issue on Kashmir and the more worrying fact is that India are making all the wrong moves. Eventually, sometime down the line maybe weeks, months or perhaps years if something does come about from all these chain of events it would be largely due to India's negligence and overconfidence than Imran's persistence.

You are naive. No significant country other than China cares. The West sees Pakistan and its leader IK as big hypocrites for signing a letter supporting China on the Uyghurs and then calling Modi "Hitler". Don't be fooled into thinking that the nonsense published in the Western liberal media will have any result. The same media calls Trump a fascist twice a day.

The conservative media in the US has pointed out IK's hypocrisy.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/pakistans-kashmir-hypocrisy

You are welcome to your opinion, I can agree to disagree. Time will tell which one breaks first, the stone wall or IK's head.

 

[Extra_Cover]

You are naive. No significant country other than China cares. The West sees Pakistan and its leader IK as big hypocrites for signing a letter supporting China on the Uyghurs and then calling Modi "Hitler". Don't be fooled into thinking that the nonsense published in the Western liberal media will have any result. The same media calls Trump a fascist twice a day.

The conservative media in the US has pointed out IK's hypocrisy.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/pakistans-kashmir-hypocrisy

You are welcome to your opinion, I can agree to disagree. Time will tell which one breaks first, the stone wall or IK's head.

Another illogical comparison being made here. Firstly, you need to understand people in IoK are same people with relatives living in Azad Kashmir. If a person from Azad Kashmir comes to Pakistan Government and says he cannot connect to his brother/sister living in IoK then its the duty of the Government to take the case of this person forward in internationally. There are hundreds of examples present where people from Azad Kashmir have come forward expressing concerns for their loved ones. So please understand that IK is also fighting the case of countrymen of Azad Kashmiris by being their voice globally.

On Uyghurs muslims. I acknowledge that Imran has dodged questions in the past and never publicly expressed condemnation of this act and I realise this is wrong. He should at very least acknowledge the crisis in there. Similarly, Pakistan did the right thing by not sending army to Yemen to fight Saudi's war but there was no public condemnation in that case too. In both of these cases an acknowledgement of facts would be the right thing to do. On Uyghurs muslims, can you support the statement you made in bold please. I can't seem to find any such letter and nothing as such in the link given by you too.

Overall, the reason why Imran is making noises for Kashmir more than Uyghurs and Yemen is because of the people there not because of the land. The people consider them Pakistani, the people's wishes were to be annexed with Pakistan on independence, the people look up to Pakistan. Hence on moral grounds Pakistan has to fight for their case no matter how weak we are.

If by stone wall you mean Kashmir will be acceded to Pakistan then it might very well not happen but I believe Imran will make India accountable for the human rights violations being done in Kashmir. How? I don't know yet but at least he is going down the correct path of handling this matter.

 

[Napa]

Another illogical comparison being made here. Firstly, you need to understand people in IoK are same people with relatives living in Azad Kashmir. If a person from Azad Kashmir comes to Pakistan Government and says he cannot connect to his brother/sister living in IoK then its the duty of the Government to take the case of this person forward in internationally. There are hundreds of examples present where people from Azad Kashmir have come forward expressing concerns for their loved ones. So please understand that IK is also fighting the case of countrymen of Azad Kashmiris by being their voice globally.

On Uyghurs muslims. I acknowledge that Imran has dodged questions in the past and never publicly expressed condemnation of this act and I realise this is wrong. He should at very least acknowledge the crisis in there. Similarly, Pakistan did the right thing by not sending army to Yemen to fight Saudi's war but there was no public condemnation in that case too. In both of these cases an acknowledgement of facts would be the right thing to do. On Uyghurs muslims, can you support the statement you made in bold please. I can't seem to find any such letter and nothing as such in the link given by you too.

Overall, the reason why Imran is making noises for Kashmir more than Uyghurs and Yemen is because of the people there not because of the land. The people consider them Pakistani, the people's wishes were to be annexed with Pakistan on independence, the people look up to Pakistan. Hence on moral grounds Pakistan has to fight for their case no matter how weak we are.

If by stone wall you mean Kashmir will be acceded to Pakistan then it might very well not happen but I believe Imran will make India accountable for the human rights violations being done in Kashmir. How? I don't know yet but at least he is going down the correct path of handling this matter.

1. Here is the link for the article "More than 35 countries defend China over mass detention of Uighur Muslims in UN letter
State ambassadors praise Beijing's 'remarkable achievements in the field of human rights'"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-muslims-un-letter-human-rights-a9003281.html

There are many more links, just search for "china uyghurs un letter".

2. I don't think you quite understand the contradiction in what you say. I will try to explain.

A. Pakistanis are closer ethnically to Kashmiris (granted).

B. For that reason Pakistanis should care more about Kashmiris than Uyghurs (okay, if that is your position. Not the most moral position but granted).

C. China's treatment of Uyghurs is much than India's treatment of Kashmiris. Millions put into concentration camps and starved and beaten unless they sing songs praising China. Allegations of forced sterilization of women, children separated from their parents, organ harvesting etc.

D. Pakistan goes to the US and UK and says "Modi is violating human rights in Kashmir". US and UK answer "Why should we care?" Pakistan answers "Because you have a moral duty to intervene when human rights are being violated."

E. At which point US and UK reply "You are a funny guy. You support much worse violations in China but come and complain about India? Kashmiris may be close to you, but to us Uyghurs and Kashmiris are the same, and you are supporting worse human rights violations in China".

F. I will repeat the point. Kashmiris may be closer to Pakistan, so you can claim that Pakistanis should care more about Kashmiris compared to Uyghurs. That concern however doesn't carry over to the US and UK, especially when coming from Pakistanis who have just supported much worse abusers.

Comprende?

It is time for me to exit this thread. We can agree to disagree, peace...

 

[IAJ]

Modi and India have messed it up for themselves now. There will only be one solution for Kashmir now and that is independence. Bigger powers in past have swalloved the bitter pill. Indians do only have large population but they are a buzdil qoum. Only their sikhs used to be somewhat brave but even they are too much into the Worldy life now. Do whatever you want but the end result will be independence for Kashmir in sha Allah.

 

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1. Here is the link for the article "More than 35 countries defend China over mass detention of Uighur Muslims in UN letter
State ambassadors praise Beijing's 'remarkable achievements in the field of human rights'"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-muslims-un-letter-human-rights-a9003281.html

There are many more links, just search for "china uyghurs un letter".

2. I don't think you quite understand the contradiction in what you say. I will try to explain.

A. Pakistanis are closer ethnically to Kashmiris (granted).

B. For that reason Pakistanis should care more about Kashmiris than Uyghurs (okay, if that is your position. Not the most moral position but granted).

C. China's treatment of Uyghurs is much than India's treatment of Kashmiris. Millions put into concentration camps and starved and beaten unless they sing songs praising China. Allegations of forced sterilization of women, children separated from their parents, organ harvesting etc.

D. Pakistan goes to the US and UK and says "Modi is violating human rights in Kashmir". US and UK answer "Why should we care?" Pakistan answers "Because you have a moral duty to intervene when human rights are being violated."

E. At which point US and UK reply "You are a funny guy. You support much worse violations in China but come and complain about India? Kashmiris may be close to you, but to us Uyghurs and Kashmiris are the same, and you are supporting worse human rights violations in China".

F. I will repeat the point. Kashmiris may be closer to Pakistan, so you can claim that Pakistanis should care more about Kashmiris compared to Uyghurs. That concern however doesn't carry over to the US and UK, especially when coming from Pakistanis who have just supported much worse abusers.

Comprende?

It is time for me to exit this thread. We can agree to disagree, peace...

Thanks for the article. There are no two ways about it that it should be condemned on humanitarian grounds.

Having said that you linking Uyghurs to Kashmir is not the correct correlation. If you think Pakistan is harping about Kashmir purely on the grounds of religion is wrong, it is one of the many sub-reasons but not the main reason. So linking Kashmir to Uyghurs, Yemen, Syria, Somalia, is not correct factually.

The main reason for Pakistan harping about Kashmir is the people. These people have families living on other side of border who often complain to pakistan government that they fear for their family residents in IoK, so Pakistan reacts. Secondly, during independence the people of Kashmir wanted to be part of Pakistan so there is a direct link that this part should have been Pakistan's and hence there exists this relation. Even Nehru took notice of the will of people and signed a charter to hold plebiscite in Kashmir. This brings me to another main reason being legal and legislative in nature. Pakistan is party to many agreements done over Kashmir and hence there exists a relation.

 

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I hope the response from Pakistan this Friday is strong and I also hope that international media is invited to take coverage of the protests organised. I also hope overseas Pakistani continue their support too and raise it a touch on Fridays to align it with Pakistan's protests. Basically we could make Friday a day when every newspaper would have an article on Kashmir and we should strive in achieving that.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Let’s respond to PM call for Kashmir Hour as a nation. I will be at Mazar e Quaid at 12 pm on Friday. Join me to express solidarity with our Kashmiri brethren. <br>On 6 Sep I will visit home of a Shaheed. I will soon be visiting LOC.</p>— Shahid Afridi (@SAfridiOfficial) <a href="https://twitter.com/SAfridiOfficial/status/1166644453181812738?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 28, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[kk1992]

And that light would be... the realization that the only result of banging your head against a stone wall is a bloody head and a scrambled brain.

wasted my time reading that comment.

Next time if you do not have anything important and smart to say then please ignore my comment.

 

[kk1992]

Indian Kashmir is gone. All the money, schemes, time spent on that could have been spent on Pakistan

Gone where? I see it's still next to Pakistani border with more Indian troops.

Freedom is priceless.

Occupation is costly that is why some of the biggest empire had to stop or get broken.

 

[PakLFC]

Not looking for criticism from the west here. As Arundhati Roy says India needs freedom from Kashmir more then the other way round. IK's half an hour of protests every week or something is noway near enough.

 

[Technics 1210]

IK is spot on. More and more articles criticizing ans scrutinizing India are propping up! The best part are the comments! )

 

[rhony]

Gone where? I see it's still next to Pakistani border with more Indian troops.

Freedom is priceless.

Occupation is costly that is why some of the biggest empire had to stop or get broken.

The troops will remain as it's also LOC. Yes, it is costly but it's a collateral damage considering 20 to 25 percent of your budget on army. It's been a waiting game so far and India made a move. Let's see what happens next.

 

[DRsohail]

Kashmiri People have to stand for themesleves.
We cant and will not fight their war.They have to do it themseleves,We can only give them diplomatic support and will try to highlight the issue internationally,The rest is up to them that wether they want to live in slavery or want to get independence.We have bigger problems in our country to be adressed.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My detailed letter to 18 UN Special Procedures mandate-holders on violations of international human rights law by the Government of India in IOK. <a href="https://t.co/kWyuop6pS1">pic.twitter.com/kWyuop6pS1</a></p>— Shireen Mazari (@ShireenMazari1) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShireenMazari1/status/1166334865194831873?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 27, 2019</a></blockquote>
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