"We've had information from foreign players & their agents BCCI's pressurising them to not play KPL"

[RedwoodOriginal]

I disagree since KPL is portrayed like the following:

Imran Ismail on this occasion said that KPL in Azad Kashmir will give a clear message to world that there is peace on this side of Kashmir while life has become difficult for people in Indian-held Kashmir.

“This is evidence to the world, they can see how different these two parts of Kashmir are,” he said at the launch of KPL.

then,

MNA and Chairman of Parliamentary Committee on Kashmir Shehryar Afridi through video link said that all stakeholders stand behind KPL. He said that it is a high-time to show that what is happening on the other side of the border and this side of the border. He said that the would will also own KPL.

again,

Federal Minister for Economic Affairs Omar Ayub believed the Kashmir Premier League (KPL) has echoed voices of concern in the neighbouring country India, as a league would run in Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) whereas the Indian Illegally-Occupied Jammu and Kashmir (IIOJ&K) was kept under fear and captivity. “KPL was a golden opportunity for the Kashmiri cricketers to prove their mettle and show the world what Kashmir really is,” he said while addressing the logo unveiling ceremony of SRG KPL here at a local hotel. He urged the players to come on front foot and play with courage just like our leader Prime Minister Imran Khan who has raised the cause of Kashmir in the whole world. “I want the players to play freely and live bravely. Where India has spread fear in IIOJ&K, the KPL will be played with freedom and courage in AJK showing the world the real and actual face of Kashmir. The colour of the league will cross the line of control (LoC) from Muzaffarabad,” he said. He also lauded the KPL management saying they deserve congratulations. “I will land in the stadium while paragliding during KPL,” he said.

We didn't bring ourselves to this. Your people did.

Bro, if I begin quoting the statements of the ministers and politicians of your ruling proto-fascist regime than we might be sitting here till tomorrow.

Any rational and educated man knows that nothing that politicians say can be taken seriously or at face value. 99% of the time they are playing to their constituencies. So if you are actually naiive enough to believe everything these politicians say then I guess you are a pretty naiive person.

 

[Local.Dada]

How many editions of the IPL did Gibbs play in?

Not sure but I can confirm he did play and BCCI didn’t stop him from taking up any gigs in the PSL did they?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Oh so BCCI can only take a moral stand as long as its convenient for them? Nationalism and 'morals' go right out the window when its about 2 points?

Countries who are actually serious about taking moral stands forfeit games. Iran has forfeited games against Israel in nearly every sport they have been scheduled to play them in the last 20 years, including the Olympics which are far more important than a T20 World Cup.

Just admit your board is a hypocrite that can only take 'moral stands' as long as its convenient for it to dos so.

Yep, that's their true face and the actual worth of their "moral stand" .... a mere 2 points and it craps out.

 

[Itachi]

It’s freedom of Speech.

Now BCCI has exposed itself as some kind of Cheap version of Israel to the wold

exercise your right.

BCCI is exercising it's right in it's own jurisdiction.

 

[Itachi]

Bro, if I begin quoting the statements of the ministers and politicians of your ruling proto-fascist regime than we might be sitting here till tomorrow.

Any rational and educated man knows that nothing that politicians say can be taken seriously or at face value. 99% of the time they are playing to their constituencies. So if you are actually naiive enough to believe everything these politicians say then I guess you are a pretty naiive person.

A few statements were from launch of KPL. It's not as if some random politician was giving an interview in some random media.

When you launch an event with politicizing it, what do you expect?

KPL was launched with the wrong foot in the first place.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Yep, that's their true face and the actual worth of their "moral stand" .... a mere 2 points and it craps out.

All that rhetoric and at the end of the day the value of nationalism and morals is worth just 2 points. Go figure.

 

[IMMY69]

Not sure but I can confirm he did play and BCCI didn’t stop him from taking up any gigs in the PSL did they?

So why bring up his integrity now?

 

[Rana]

exercise your right.

BCCI is exercising it's right in it's own jurisdiction.

What, by threatening to cut off employment opportunities for people?

 

[Itachi]

What, by threatening to cut off employment opportunities for people?

conflict of interest.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not even sure why posters are still responding to the usual suspects, they aren't here to have a debate, they are here to push India first, India last....don't like it then get lost basically. In effect that is what it boils down to.

 

[Local.Dada]

What, by threatening to cut off employment opportunities for people?

How else should they threaten? Also why is working in India so important for these guys?

Because india dictates cricket and Indian board can have its stance and hire whomever it wants that toe their line, not so different from any other employer in the world from Amazon to a guy who runs a local grocery store.

If these guys think playing KPL is more lucrative for their future, who is stopping them. Did BcCI give any life threats? Then you would have a point .

Also has BCCI stopped any international cricketer. Coach, commentator from participating in the PSL?

 

[Extra_Cover]

Players who support the pakistani position on j and k by playing in this lenge azadi league have no place in India.

What about Pakistani local players participating in this tournament? Would they be barred entry into India for any upcoming world tournaments? Or would they be simply blacklisted completely?

 

[Itachi]

How else should they threaten? Also why is working in India so important for these guys?

Because india dictates cricket and Indian board can have its stance and hire whomever it wants that toe their line, not so different from any other employer in the world from Amazon to a guy who runs a local grocery store.

If these guys think playing KPL is more lucrative for their future, who is stopping them. Did BcCI give any life threats? Then you would have a point .

Also has BCCI stopped any international cricketer. Coach, commentator from participating in the PSL?

Because BCCI have more money, suddenly everyone is starting to think that it should hand out jobs, money to the people. And jobs to these people are their RIGHT.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

So tiresome. Propaganda Central.

 

[Itachi]

What about Pakistani local players participating in this tournament? Would they be barred entry into India for any upcoming world tournaments? Or would they be simply blacklisted completely?

The subject of the thread is foreign players. Local players are irrelevant.

 

[Extra_Cover]

I disagree since KPL is portrayed like the following:

Imran Ismail on this occasion said that KPL in Azad Kashmir will give a clear message to world that there is peace on this side of Kashmir while life has become difficult for people in Indian-held Kashmir.

“This is evidence to the world, they can see how different these two parts of Kashmir are,” he said at the launch of KPL.

then,

MNA and Chairman of Parliamentary Committee on Kashmir Shehryar Afridi through video link said that all stakeholders stand behind KPL. He said that it is a high-time to show that what is happening on the other side of the border and this side of the border. He said that the would will also own KPL.

again,

Federal Minister for Economic Affairs Omar Ayub believed the Kashmir Premier League (KPL) has echoed voices of concern in the neighbouring country India, as a league would run in Azad Jammu and Kashmir (AJK) whereas the Indian Illegally-Occupied Jammu and Kashmir (IIOJ&K) was kept under fear and captivity. “KPL was a golden opportunity for the Kashmiri cricketers to prove their mettle and show the world what Kashmir really is,” he said while addressing the logo unveiling ceremony of SRG KPL here at a local hotel. He urged the players to come on front foot and play with courage just like our leader Prime Minister Imran Khan who has raised the cause of Kashmir in the whole world. “I want the players to play freely and live bravely. Where India has spread fear in IIOJ&K, the KPL will be played with freedom and courage in AJK showing the world the real and actual face of Kashmir. The colour of the league will cross the line of control (LoC) from Muzaffarabad,” he said. He also lauded the KPL management saying they deserve congratulations. “I will land in the stadium while paragliding during KPL,” he said.

We didn't bring ourselves to this. Your people did.

Brother, people are happy on this side of Kashmir border and would play cricket with smile on faces. If you don't believe me tune in on 6th August to see for yourself.

 

[Local.Dada]

Because BCCI have more money, suddenly everyone is starting to think that it should hand out jobs, money to the people. And jobs to these people are their RIGHT.

Also who stopped PSL from having a Kashmir franchise. I will tell you exactly why, because they don’t want to cut the golden goose. If that had happened then things would have had a lot more at stake.

As I said not a single person has come out and said there is a political motive here where we have had no issues admitting this was purely political from BCCI to get involved. At least people need to acknowledge the fact staring at their face before having a debate lol.

 

[Rana]

conflict of interest.

You can do it without sending out the threats.

Just don’t hire those guys who you think have betrayed your country, no need to send out public warnings

 

[IMMY69]

So tiresome. Propaganda Central.

It really is tiresome.

The lengths they go to is incredible

Anyway, enough of this for me.
I must now spend the next few days trying to find out how I can watch this KPL.
To think I didn't even know about it until this episode so well done BCCi

 

[Local.Dada]

You can do it without sending out the threats.

Just don’t hire those guys who you think have betrayed your country, no need to send out public warnings

It was a private warning, became public by participants in the KPL

 

[Itachi]

Brother, people are happy on this side of Kashmir border and would play cricket with smile on faces. If you don't believe me tune in on 6th August to see for yourself.

It should have been stayed that way.

But when the launch is full of politicizing, propaganda and dragging India along with it, what do you expect?

 

[Extra_Cover]

There has been a lot of harping on this thread that the purpose of KPL is political. I'm actually inclined to know what is the specific political message behind KPL? Is it:
- Things are normal on this side of Kashmir border and not on the other side?
- Kashmiris are eligible to have fun and play cricket too?
- The world would see Kashmiri on entertainment/sports tv rather than news tv for once?

What is the exact purpose of KPL, can someone please enlighten me.

 

[Itachi]

You can do it without sending out the threats.

Just don’t hire those guys who you think have betrayed your country, no need to send out public warnings

It wasn't public.

 

[MenInG]

It was a private warning, became public by participants in the KPL

So the idea was to deliver a private warning and as the 3 players mysteriously excused themselves from the league, no one would notice?

Kahan Kahan sai attay hain yeh sub

 

[zn426]

What's BCCI's problem? KPL is Pakistan's internal matter...just like Article IX is India's internal matter. Right? right?

Wait! I know the solution! India should agree to tour Pakistan, as a show of goodwill and that politics are of no concern in Pakistani-Indian sports rivalries...oh wait.

 

[IMMY69]

It should have been stayed that way.

But when the launch is full of politicizing, propaganda and dragging India along with it, what do you expect?

I'm like a moth to a flame!!

So it's all ok now that you've stopped a few retired internationals from participating?
Is this what your country has come too? I find it amazing that you and others here are defending this.
How does this not come across as petty to you?

 

[Rana]

It wasn't public.

For players to come out the way they have, it was very much public.

 

[Itachi]

For players to come out the way they have, it was very much public.

That was their prerogative since no non disclosure agreement was signed I suppose.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Look I do think what BCCI is doing is political, no one is making any excuses for that.

However it is hilarious seeing arguments like rich Kashmiris want to see a cricket league, developing cricket of Kashmir being a top
Priority etc.

There are 5 other ways I can think of developing cricket on the Pakistan side of Kashmir without all this hype.

Anyways who has the power controls as simple as that. There is no chest thumping here. Is it that surreal when I say BCCI controls cricket?

Why did Pakistan boycott Moscow Olympics. Was it because they were having a Cold War with Russia?

Simple you bring up a controversial topic no
Matter how “noble” your intentions are, the powers that control would only like to see it their way.

That’s the way world works.

Hang on there. It is actually BCCI followed by sensitive bhakhts who started giving importance to this unknown league by whining publicly. There was no hype before this. Average indian doesn't care about this league. We have so many issues here in India which needs attention but yeah carry on crying on something that doesn't affect any indians life one bit. Forget indians, I am sure even Pakistanis didn't know about this league.

It feels like someone living in a bunglow is getting jealous from someone who is trying to make a small hut just because the owner of the hut has put a banner there which says "jiyo azaadi se".

 

[Itachi]

I'm like a moth to a flame!!

So it's all ok now that you've stopped a few retired internationals from participating?
Is this what your country has come too? I find it amazing that you and others here are defending this.
How does this not come across as petty to you?

Because people want to milk Indian cricket for their own benefits. For livelihood, people can choose any country but they want to be part of Indian system to benefit more for the same job.

No one is doing any good deeds. You are offering a service, and you are getting paid for it.

And if I don't want your service, I can exercise my right of rejecting you.

 

[OldWarHorse]

"I had the opportunity to play in the 'KPL' and I thought I could play again. However, I was advised that the BCCI is telling players who will play in the 'Kashmir Premier League' might face consequences. As I am just starting my career in sports media I want to work in India. Therefore I thought it would be better to not play in the 'Kashmir Premier League'. I don't wanna come between cricket and politics," said Monty Panesar

"I am a player I was just seeing this as an opportunity to resume playing gradually and make a comeback in cricket but after seeing the consequences, it is too risky for me to play in the 'KPL'. Therefore, I thought it would be best if I don't play in the league" added Monty Panesar.

On being asked about what message he would like to give to the players who are considering to take part in the political cricketing league, Panesar said, "Every player will try to grab the opportunity to play again. But I hope if we don't play the league, India will give us opportunities to work. We want to work in India. We want to do commentary, coaching in India.

Feel disappointed for Monty, genuinely believe he just wanted to play and earn some bucks for it.

But the organizers basically painted targets on them by making those politically inclined moves including that statement from their chief ambassador Afridi. Why not just play the bloody tourney as it is?? It wasnt going to sit right with the Indian state and the board. Why poke them, ofcourse they were going to react.

Now the tournament will go on without them, probably earn the mullahs for the organizers, BCCI wont care for these players either. Its just a loss for these players.

 

[Itachi]

Feel disappointed for Monty, genuinely believe he just wanted to play and earn some bucks for it.

But the organizers basically painted targets on them by making those politically inclined moves including that statement from their chief ambassador Afridi. Why not just play the bloody tourney as it is?? It wasnt going to sit right with the Indian state and the board. Why poke them, ofcourse they were going to react.

Now the tournament will go on without them, probably earn the mullahs for the organizers, BCCI wont care for these players either. Its just a loss for these players.

Do you believe, even though Monty won't play, he has probability in getting a job as commentary or as a coach after coming out in public?

 

[Real_Steel]

The only hypocrite is the BCCI. They give their fans these obtuse explanations that the fans accept with their eyes closed without even questioning them. Where was this moral superiority when India was playing Pakistan in ICC tournaments? or when foreign players were making money in Pakistan by playing in the PSL?

So you agree that BCCI is okay in its stance regarding KPL since you are shifting the question. World cup matches is a separate question a. And if your prized Pak team finds BCCI so hypocritical they can also choose to not play them in a world cup. Isnt it? why dont they do it... again laughable

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So you agree that BCCI is okay in its stance regarding KPL since you are shifting the question. World cup matches is a separate question a. And if your prized Pak team finds BCCI so hypocritical they can also choose to not play them in a world cup. Isnt it? why dont they do it... again laughable

Why should they do it? They are ready to play against India in bilaterals too.

 

[OldWarHorse]

Do you believe, even though Monty won't play, he has probability in getting a job as commentary or as a coach after coming out in public?

He hasnt come out and blamed BCCI. He has just stated facts as he faces them. Its not like the Gibbs statement where he seems more interested in embarassing them.

I dont think there is anything to hide from anybody. Its clear as day whats going on, best BCCI comes out and condemns this league or whatever. Make it clear to the parties like they did with ICL.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

So you agree that BCCI is okay in its stance regarding KPL since you are shifting the question. World cup matches is a separate question a. And if your prized Pak team finds BCCI so hypocritical they can also choose to not play them in a world cup. Isnt it? why dont they do it... again laughable

Not really. That's not what I said. I said BCCI is a hypocrite board that talks big about not wanting to play Pakistan and then does just that by playing Pakistan in ICC tournaments. Pakistan didn't say we don't want to play India because Pakistan doesn't mix politics with international cricket. Pakistan recognizes that the international stage should not be used for such petty disputes. India does, but only as long as its convenient and doesn't cost them 2 points.

All this is especially funny to me because Harbhajan said the exact same thing years ago. He said I am ready to follow my government, but that govt. should actually be consistent and not play Pakistan in any tournament if they are actually serious about their moral stance.

 

[MenInG]

ISLAMABAD, Aug 2 (APP): Foreign Minister Makhdoom Shah Mahmood Qureshi Monday while condemning Indian negative attitude over Kashmir Premier League (KPL) called upon the International Cricket Council (ICC) to take notice of Indian response.

Talking to media in the Parliament House, the foreign minister said that KPL like events promoted the normal activity and sports should not be politicized.

He said that people were eagerly waiting for the start of much exciting cricket event– Kashmir Premier League (KPL).

“The Kashmiri player whether belonged to Azad Kashmir or IIOJK, he should be encouraged to excel,” Qureshi said calling upon the Indian government to conduct the same event in IIOJK.

He further said that Indian response to the KPL was not endorsed as it was coercing the aspiring cricketers to quit with threats of refusal of grant of visas.

The foreign minister said that the KPL event must be streamed on Tv screens in Srinagar.

https://www.app.com.pk/national/fm-condemns-indian-response-over-kpl-calls-upon-icc-to-take-notice/

 

[Local.Dada]

Not really. That's not what I said. I said BCCI is a hypocrite board that talks big about not wanting to play Pakistan and then does just that by playing Pakistan in ICC tournaments. Pakistan didn't say we don't want to play India because Pakistan doesn't mix politics with international cricket. Pakistan recognizes that the international stage should not be used for such petty disputes. India does, but only as long as its convenient and doesn't cost them 2 points.

All this is especially funny to me because Harbhajan said the exact same thing years ago. He said I am ready to follow my government, but that govt. should actually be consistent and not play Pakistan in any tournament if they are actually serious about their moral stance.

ICC event makes huge money for India and ICC and maybe as a result of that some % for Pakistan which is unavoidable, bilaterals Pakistan has a lot more to gain monetarily than India. Sure money is money but is it worth in the long term?. Trust me if Pakistan has the kind of box office players they had in the 90’s and India only gained from that they would organize a bilateral series tomorrow.

It’s not that complicated. There is a reason why india won’t comment on israel, Palestine either ways like your PM or criticize France. Same reason why China doesn’t go public over its Kashmir stance. Arab counties are playing this game too now.

India does what benefits India, is that so complicated to understand?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

ICC event makes huge money for India and ICC and maybe as a result of that some % for Pakistan which is unavoidable, bilaterals Pakistan has a lot more to gain monetarily than India. Sure money is money but is it worth in the long term?. Trust me if Pakistan has the kind of box office players they had in the 90’s and India only gained from that they would organize a bilateral series tomorrow.

It’s not that complicated. There is a reason why india won’t comment on israel, Palestine either ways like your PM or criticize France. Same reason why China doesn’t go public over its Kashmir stance. Arab counties are playing this game too now.

India does what benefits India, is that so complicated to understand?

It's not unavoidable. Iran has boycotted Israel in nearly every sport including the Olympics, which are far more important than a T20 World Cup. Why? Because they actually believe in their moral stand and know you actually have to be consistent when you take one regardless of the cost.

And that's kinda the whole thing about moral stands that y'all seem unable to comprehend. You can't just take moral stands when it suits you or when its convenient for you to do so. Because if you're not consistent than that just means that you are a hypocrite using the international platform for your petty foreign policy agendas NOT a moral stand which is what India falsely tries to represent.

 

[Local.Dada]

It's not unavoidable. Iran has boycotted Israel in nearly every sport including the Olympics, which are far more important than a T20 World Cup. Why? Because they actually believe in their moral stand and know you actually have to be consistent when you take one regardless of the cost.

And that's kinda the whole thing about moral stands that y'all seem unable to comprehend. You can't just take moral stands when it suits you or when its convenient for you to do so. Because if you're not consistent than that just means that you are a hypocrite using the international platform for your petty foreign policy agendas NOT a moral stand which is what India falsely tries to represent.

If Iran avoids playing Israel it’s Irans loss of a potential medal isn’t it? Is Israel complaining?

Pakistan boycotted the 1980 Olympics when they were ahead of India as a hockey team for whatever political reasons. Who benefitted from it? It was India who won a gold medal which had Pakistan’s name written all over it . It sounds good in online theories that oh India played in a weak pool, etc but at the end of the day there is one additional gold medal for
India and one less for Pakistan the way I see it.

There are no friends or enemies in politics and business. At least in the ones that are successful. The sooner Pakistan realizes this, it will help them out too.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

If Iran avoids playing Israel it’s Irans loss of a potential medal isn’t it? Is Israel complaining?

Pakistan boycotted the 1980 Olympics when they were ahead of India as a hockey team for whatever political reasons. Who benefitted from it? It was India who won a gold medal which had Pakistan’s name written all over it . It sounds good in online theories that oh India played in a weak pool, etc but at the end of the day there is one additional gold medal for
India and one less for Pakistan the way I see it.

There are no friends or enemies in politics and business. At least in the ones that are successful. The sooner Pakistan realizes this, it will help them out too.

Suddenly gold medals and 2 points are more important than lives of people? If Pakistan did what they said at that time and let go of that medal then don't you think BCCI should also do the same? I mean nobody can digest this logic of boycotting Pakistan in bilaterals and playing against them in World Cups lol. I am pretty sure you too can see this hypocrisy but your arrogance is not letting you accept it.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

If Iran avoids playing Israel it’s Irans loss of a potential medal isn’t it? Is Israel complaining?

Pakistan boycotted the 1980 Olympics when they were ahead of India as a hockey team for whatever political reasons. Who benefitted from it? It was India who won a gold medal which had Pakistan’s name written all over it . It sounds good in online theories that oh India played in a weak pool, etc but at the end of the day there is one additional gold medal for
India and one less for Pakistan the way I see it.

There are no friends or enemies in politics and business. At least in the ones that are successful. The sooner Pakistan realizes this, it will help them out too.

Nice way to completely dodge my main point but I'm not letting you off the hook this easily. This is not international relations, its an international sport. Here moral stands actually mean something. But what India is doing is trying to create the pretense of a moral stand and then not staying true to it which makes India a hypocrite and its moral stand: utterly meaningless.

Also yeah. That's what makes it a moral stand. The fact that it matters more than a Gold medal or 2 points. That's something you seem incapable of understanding.

 

[Local.Dada]

Suddenly gold medals and 2 points are more important than lives of people? If Pakistan did what they said at that time and let go of that medal then don't you think BCCI should also do the same? I mean nobody can digest this logic of boycotting Pakistan in bilaterals and playing against them in World Cups lol. I am pretty sure you too can see this hypocrisy but your arrogance is not letting you accept it.

As a cricket fan I would love to see India- Pak matches. You can call BCCI hypocrites, kya farak padta hai, their hypocrisy has probably made them a fortune and given them the power to dictate things on their terms.

As I said they are in a position to do what suits them,just like USA,China or any other world power
Including Pakistan too which has to overlook somet things happening in China because they don’t want to mess it up. That’s the way world works my friend. Pick another place if you want to be a moral
Science teacher. Show me one successful businessman or politician who is not a hypocrite.

 

[Local.Dada]

Nice way to completely dodge my main point but I'm not letting you off the hook this easily. This is not international relations, its an international sport. Here moral stands actually mean something. But what India is doing is trying to create the pretense of a moral stand and then not staying true to it which makes India a hypocrite and its moral stand: utterly meaningless.

It’s also a commercial business with billions involved. It’s not charity is it? India will come running to Pakistan if they see value there.

I am sure you would want BCCI to grovel and beg on their knees in front of PCB too, when that day comes let’s see how many of this ethics lectures you will give me.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It’s also a commercial business with billions involved. It’s not charity is it? India will come running to Pakistan if they see value there.

Wow. It's like you deliberately choose to block out certain words and still somehow reply.

That is literally what I am saying. Don't take a moral stand if you don't have the guts to pay the costs. Because it isn't a moral stance if you keep contradicting it.

I am sure you would want BCCI to grovel and beg on their knees in front of PCB too, when that day comes let’s see how many of this ethics lectures you will give me.

I wouldn't actually. I don't know why you would automatically assume that just because you think a certain way therefore everyone must have the same mentality as you.


As far as I am concerned, I wouldn't at all be bothered if India and Pakistan never play another match again. What does anger me though is when cricket boards drag petty politics into international cricket and try to cover for their predatory tactics by using the pretense of a moral stance. You're welcome to use your predatory tactics, just don't bring psuedo-morals into it and try to act like you're morally superior when you are not.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

As a cricket fan I would love to see India- Pak matches. You can call BCCI hypocrites, kya farak padta hai, their hypocrisy has probably made them a fortune and given them the power to dictate things on their terms.

As I said they are in a position to do what suits them,just like USA,China or any other world power
Including Pakistan too which has to overlook somet things happening in China because they don’t want to mess it up. That’s the way world works my friend. Pick another place if you want to be a moral
Science teacher. Show me one successful businessman or politician who is not a hypocrite.

Can't you say this after reading the tagline of KPL?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Indians are crying again as become their norm.

Its disputed terrority, only belongs to India in the minds of Indians.

Pak should continue the league regardless of who pulls out.

They cant enter India lol. Its hardly the Maldives or Dubai.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What, by threatening to cut off employment opportunities for people?

Did India guarantee the employment of these players?

 

[KingKhanWC]

So pakistanis and Pakistan government are ok with a secessionist movement to make an independent Balochistan?

Stop making such daft comparisions. Balochistan is not disupted, Kashmir is.

Indians can keep ranting the league will go ahead, there is nothing a 3rd world nation can do to stop it.

India should start their own Kashmir league, Im sure it will be great seeing players who have had their sisters raped or the children murdered by Indian soldiers.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Only pakistanis have freedom. Right?

Indians dont have it. They can decide who works in their country.

Surely you can't differentiate between "deciding who works in their country" and threatening players to not play in a rival league. It looks so childish lol.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Surely you can't differentiate between "deciding who works in their country" and threatening players to not play in a rival league. It looks so childish lol.

From what Ive seen the threats include no entry to India at all. Their dreams must be shattered right now.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

From what Ive seen the threats include no entry to India at all. Their dreams must be shattered right now.

I am still trying to figure out how can BCCI stop anyone from entering India? They are a private entity. Surely they don't have a visa department because last time when Ehsan Mani asked for a visa assurance from BCCI they snubbed him and said it is in GOI's hands.

 

[ahmedzee]

World Cricket has become a joke. One of the main reason is the power of BCCI and the indians such as the ones seen in this thread.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am still trying to figure out how can BCCI stop anyone from entering India? They are a private entity. Surely they don't have a visa department because last time when Ehsan Mani asked for a visa assurance from BCCI they snubbed him and said it is in GOI's hands.

Shah's son will probably be on the phone to his dad. India has mixed politics with sports for many years now, this is normal business for them.

Instead the BCCI and BJP should solve the issue, Kashmiris will never submit to their rule, only a fool would think this.

 

[Local.Dada]

From what Ive seen the threats include no entry to India at all. Their dreams must be shattered right now.

Most of Monty’s family including his grandparents still live in India

 

[cricketjoshila]

Stop making such daft comparisions. Balochistan is not disupted, Kashmir is.

Indians can keep ranting the league will go ahead, there is nothing a 3rd world nation can do to stop it.

India should start their own Kashmir league, Im sure it will be great seeing players who have had their sisters raped or the children murdered by Indian soldiers.

Only people ranting are pakistanis on this thread, the pakistan government and pakistani fans.

BCCI just let people know what they want and most foreigners kicked the KPL to work in India.

Sad for you that all foreigners are lining upto play in India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

From what Ive seen the threats include no entry to India at all. Their dreams must be shattered right now.

Yes, most cricketers line up to visit India and earn money. See they just cancelled the Bd tour to play the IPL.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Most of Monty’s family including his grandparents still live in India

Monty has pulled out but there arent many cricketers with family in India. He isnt a major loss for the league tbh.

India is a 3rd world nation, in general its a laughable threat.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

World Cricket has become a joke. One of the main reason is the power of BCCI and the indians such as the ones seen in this thread.

This is what happens when power goes in wrong hands. Cricket was better when power was in England's and Australia's hands. It's like giving an AK47 to a monkey. He will first shoot everyone else and when there is no one left he will shoot himself. This is exactly what greedy BCCI is doing.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Only people ranting are pakistanis on this thread, the pakistan government and pakistani fans.

BCCI just let people know what they want and most foreigners kicked the KPL to work in India.

Sad for you that all foreigners are lining upto play in India.

Its only Indians who are making threats , their tears are clear to see.

Kashmir does not belong to India, only in Indian heads.

This league will give a lot of publcity to Kashmir and it already has due to India crying over it.

Foreigners can go to India , makes no difference to me or Pakistan.

Will it be shown in India? You can watch the highlights on Youtube.

Im going to buy a shirt of one of the teams and write Free Kashmir on the back, to wear to all cricket matches in England. Thanks BCCI or this great publicity.

Kashmir doesnt belong to India and never will.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Most of Monty’s family including his grandparents still live in India

He took the right decision. His family's and his grandparents lives are more important than money.

 

[Local.Dada]

Monty has pulled out but there arent many cricketers with family in India. He isnt a major loss for the league tbh.

India is a 3rd world nation, in general its a laughable threat.

Then why are cricketers (Gibbs) complaining about the threat of losing employment from BCCI? Last time I checked I stands for India. You shouldn’t be complaining about it too then. Enjoy the KPL lol

 

[Local.Dada]

He took the right decision. His family's and his grandparents lives are more important than money.

Yeah according to you Capt. Amrinder Singh and Modiji would send secret police to send a message to Monty’s family because of KPL .

Bhaijaan ye to aap ke standards ke hissab se bhi thoda zyaada ho gaya or should I say lower ho gaya.

Light le yaar. Don’t let the trolling take over you

 

[KingKhanWC]

Then why are cricketers (Gibbs) complaining about the threat of losing employment from BCCI? Last time I checked I stands for India. You shouldn’t be complaining about it too then. Enjoy the KPL lol

Because its pathetic lol. Stop mixing politics with sport, all you are doing is giving publicity to your occupation in Kashmir.

Where did I say I care? I find it very funny and am very grateful to the extremist government of India for giving Kashmir publicity.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Yeah according to you Capt. Amrinder Singh and Modiji would send secret police to send a message to Monty’s house because of KPL

Bhaijaan ye to aap ke standards ke hissab se bhi thoda zyaada ho gaya or should I say lower ho gaya.

Light le yaar. Don’t let the trolling take over you

The only one trolling and blindly defending BCCI here is you. You are sitting outside India and still can't criticise them when they are wrong. Shows how scared you are from their secret police lol.

 

[Rana]

Did India guarantee the employment of these players?

But why did Gibbs and Panesar have to go out of their way to mention these threats publicly?

 

[Local.Dada]

The only one trolling and blindly defending BCCI here is you. You are sitting outside India and still can't criticise them when they are wrong. Shows how scared you are from their secret police lol.

Hmmm. Interesting but you are sitting in India and spewing whatever you want with “Azaadi” (no pun intended) without any fear of secret police? Don’t worry Monty and his family will be fine even if he plays or rejects KPL. Now will he be able to sustain a good lifestyle from the extra income he makes on Indian media, now that’s a choice left to him and so far he seems to be making smart calls

 

[Local.Dada]

Think before you post. I am neither a celebrity nor a sports person. I am not a journalist either.

I don’t think that’s the only reason either. We are also a Nation that believes in empathy )

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I don’t think that’s the only reason either. We are also a Nation that believes in empathy )

Yeah we can see that in this thread clearly. )

 

[ahsan17]

Think this move by BCCI has been far more counterproductive than if they did nothing.

1. Most people in Pakistan didn't even know about KPL. Can't say that anymore. Much less people outside Pakistan.
2. Their logic is that having foreigners participate will give legitimacy to AJK. It is likely at least some foreigners will participate, so they likely won't achieve this goal either.
3. Their reasoning for doing all this is not going to be accepted anywhere outside India. "India's interests" is not an explanation.
There has to be a tangible reason behind it. Being small minded and petty aside, BCCI reputation in the cricketing world will have taken a hit forever for the bully and mafia-like behaviour.

 

[Saj]

But why did Gibbs and Panesar have to go out of their way to mention these threats publicly?

Well I guess Monty wanted to clarify why he is no longer playing in the KPL.

It's interesting that both Prior and Owais Shah are as quiet as a mouse on the topic. I contacted both, but neither would comment.

Gibbs has never been one to keep quiet and I guess he wanted to tell the world what the BCCI was doing behind the scenes.

 

[shariqnoor]

Actually BCCI was doing it silently, it was Gibbs a guy who finds employment only in Pakistan who tweeted about it due to which it became news so make whatever of that. Also a guy not exactly popular for his integrity during his playing days. So there is that

You can't threaten people and expect no blowback. If BCCI thought they could threaten foreign players via their respective boards and no news would leak out, then I may have underestimated Indian foolishness.

 

[Real_Steel]

Not really. That's not what I said. I said BCCI is a hypocrite board that talks big about not wanting to play Pakistan and then does just that by playing Pakistan in ICC tournaments. Pakistan didn't say we don't want to play India because Pakistan doesn't mix politics with international cricket. Pakistan recognizes that the international stage should not be used for such petty disputes. India does, but only as long as its convenient and doesn't cost them 2 points.

All this is especially funny to me because Harbhajan said the exact same thing years ago. He said I am ready to follow my government, but that govt. should actually be consistent and not play Pakistan in any tournament if they are actually serious about their moral stance.

This mixing politics with cricket etc is a Utopian concept. Should I say Pak mixes religion with cricket when they pray on the ground? The fact is that sport is played by humans and politics and religion comes with that. Also, you seem to be in love with BCCI. You cant seem to be indifferent to them. You can only control what your board does. If you think BCCI is a low grade hypocrite, stop whining and have PCB not play them where they have a choice

 

[cricketjoshila]

You can't threaten people and expect no blowback. If BCCI thought they could threaten foreign players via their respective boards and no news would leak out, then I may have underestimated Indian foolishness.

Where is the threat? Did they put a gun to anyone's head?

BCCI intimated the boards that anyone participating in KPL will have no future job opportunities in India. Thats how you work with your partners. You intimate them before you take any action, so that there is negotiation and course correction.

Boards and players are free to work with KPL and not work with BCCI.

 

[cricketjoshila]

But why did Gibbs and Panesar have to go out of their way to mention these threats publicly?

First of all, BCCI didn't contact any players.

They contacted the boards, and sent them an intimation that people working for KPL wont be able to work with BCCI.

If BCCI had not informed the respective boards and next time a player associated with KPL was denied opportunity by BCCI, that board or their player association would be within their rights to ask BCCI why they didn't get a prior notice on this.

BCCI is within its rights, ethically and legally to decide who they hire, and dont hire.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

This mixing politics with cricket etc is a Utopian concept. Should I say Pak mixes religion with cricket when they pray on the ground? The fact is that sport is played by humans and politics and religion comes with that. Also, you seem to be in love with BCCI. You cant seem to be indifferent to them. You can only control what your board does. If you think BCCI is a low grade hypocrite, stop whining and have PCB not play them where they have a choice

Why? PCB never said we don't want to play India. BCCI is the low grade hypocrite that selectively uses the pretext of morals when it suits them and then doesn't even have guts to follow through with them because it might end up costing them a couple of precious points.

I guess that's all their morals are worth at the end of the day: 2 points.

 

[MenInG]

There are reports that protests have taken place in Jammu over KPL - Shiv Sena has burnt the effigy of Pakistan PM Imran Khan and the flag of Pakistan as a mark of protest.

 

[m.shah]

Enormous publicity given to this league. Thanks to BCCI

 

[Afzal_K]

Will it be televised?,

 

[MenInG]

Will it be televised?,

Yes one of the local channels will do that.