"We've had information from foreign players & their agents BCCI's pressurising them to not play KPL"

[MenInG]

As per information received by PakPassion.net, contracted players are unsure if they will be given NOC to play in the KPL by the PCB.

 

[MenInG]

Please note that there are media reports that ICC has stated that the KPL is not for them to approve but there is no official ICC statement so we cannot add

 

[Real_Steel]

Why? PCB never said we don't want to play India. BCCI is the low grade hypocrite that selectively uses the pretext of morals when it suits them and then doesn't even have guts to follow through with them because it might end up costing them a couple of precious points.

I guess that's all their morals are worth at the end of the day: 2 points.

Why is the highly moral PCB playing this low grade hypocrite BCCI in world cups...looks like your moral high ground is not even worth 2 points. Show BCCI what you are made off by not playing in the t20 world cup. Oh wait, you actually need a spine to do that (besides a big fat mouth which keeps whining). Laughs

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why is the highly moral PCB playing this low grade hypocrite BCCI in world cups...looks like your moral high ground is not even worth 2 points. Show BCCI what you are made off by not playing in the t20 world cup. Oh wait, you actually need a spine to do that (besides a big fat mouth which keeps whining). Laughs

Why should Pakistan miss out on the world cup when it is not the country which refuses to meet any opponent on the field? There's only on country which does that and it would be....hmmm...let me see. Anyway, that country is the one which should morally refuse to play in the world cup. Assuming they have morals which seems debatable.

 

[IMMY69]

Why is the highly moral PCB playing this low grade hypocrite BCCI in world cups...looks like your moral high ground is not even worth 2 points. Show BCCI what you are made off by not playing in the t20 world cup. Oh wait, you actually need a spine to do that (besides a big fat mouth which keeps whining). Laughs

Did you even read his post?
Pakistan has never said no to Bi Laterals. In fact some people here accuse the PCB of begging for games against India.

Its India that is maintaining this political stance and it should be India which sacrifices the points at a World Cup, unless of course they are hyprocrits..

 

[krikit]

Did you even read his post?
Pakistan has never said no to Bi Laterals. In fact some people here accuse the PCB of begging for games against India.

Its India that is maintaining this political stance and it should be India which sacrifices the points at a World Cup, unless of course they are hyprocrits..

India not playing Pakistan in the bilaterals removes hundreds of millions of dollars of Indian money from PCB's coffers. India playing Pakistan in the WC ensures that Pakistan does not get 2 of India's points in the table.

I think India is being very consistent in its policies w.r.t Pakistan.

 

[Devadwal]

https://twitter.com/MontyPanesar/status/1422205737799925771?s=19
Monty panesar reply to a Pakistani cricket fans

 

[AMSS]

Please note that there are media reports that ICC has stated that the KPL is not for them to approve but there is no official ICC statement so we cannot add

I think BCCI would be satisfied with this clarification. It's not that they didn't know it wasn't for ICC to approve given that there's a raft of regional leagues running in India itself but a public enunciation/reiteration of this position is good enough.

 

[Rajdeep]

https://twitter.com/MontyPanesar/status/1422205737799925771?s=19
Monty panesar reply to a Pakistani cricket fans

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I havent been blackmailed by anyone. I been given the advise I understand the consequences and it's my decision. So pipe down. <a href="https://t.co/spFxTdwpcL">https://t.co/spFxTdwpcL</a></p>— Monty Panesar (@MontyPanesar) <a href="https://twitter.com/MontyPanesar/status/1422205737799925771?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Local.Dada]

As per information received by PakPassion.net, contracted players are unsure if they will be given NOC to play in the KPL by the PCB.

don’t you think that is a bigger discussion than India not allowing players like Gibbs and Monty who last played what a decade ago?

Also before you start a cricket league for cricketing purposes shouldn’t the first step be to ensure at least all the local cricket players are available and can play cricket without any issues

 

[Snowflake]

to answer your question, yes. in your example, your principle doesn't Co align with the corporate policy of the company and hence, may create an unhealthy work environment which will result in to company may get defame if you go public with your perspective. Your and the company's target audience is completely different and it may damage the reputation so it is justified to sack you from your job. If you feel it was unfair, you can always take the legal means to support your claim.

Coming to the KPL, it is against the national interest of India to held a different tournament for Kashmir since IPL exists (since India considers Kashmir as a whole under annexation treaty).

If the tournament organizers have publicized in a different way with a different name, no one would have objection. But they chose a political ground which will come in to the interest of the India and since it is cricket, BCCI will have to deal with it.

it'll be same if a state in India starts it's own premier league. BCCI won't allow it. Since pok is outside it's jurisdiction, BCCI isn't banning anyone rather, closing it's own door for those who plays. Those players can participate in any event except BCCI. Go to Australia, UK or even APL for jobs. No one is putting any restrictions there. Since $$$ talks, everyone wants to share a pie of India's cricket system. And if you want to have a pie, you'll have to work for India's interest.

That fact that you think a sueable offense, like firing based on unaligned principles that actually have nothing to do with the actual work, is justified shows how biased and blinded you are in your defence of the BCCI and it's actions.

To repeat, a player participating in KPL does not mean he supports Pakistan's claim. It is absurd, and sueable in most parts of the world, for an organization to ban/fire employees based on their political beliefs (even though participating in the KPL does not define a player's political ideology one bit)

 

[Itachi]

That fact that you think a sueable offense, like firing based on unaligned principles that actually have nothing to do with the actual work, is justified shows how biased and blinded you are in your defence of the BCCI and it's actions.

To repeat, a player participating in KPL does not mean he supports Pakistan's claim. It is absurd, and sueable in most parts of the world, for an organization to ban/fire employees based on their political beliefs (even though participating in the KPL does not define a player's political ideology one bit)

No one works in an isolated system. For remarks, many people have been fired from their jobs.

You may be the best in what you do, but if you create scenarios where your employer is defamed, you'll be shown the door.

 

[Itachi]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I havent been blackmailed by anyone. I been given the advise I understand the consequences and it's my decision. So pipe down. <a href="https://t.co/spFxTdwpcL">https://t.co/spFxTdwpcL</a></p>— Monty Panesar (@MontyPanesar) <a href="https://twitter.com/MontyPanesar/status/1422205737799925771?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

He is surely regretting the responses against his post now lol. Should have had thought earlier before posting since the propaganda machine will use him.

 

[Savak]

Can't blame the players, no one wants to risk $$$$. The PCB itself is to blame for encashing its cricket mad population

 

[princeuk]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I havent been blackmailed by anyone. I been given the advise I understand the consequences and it's my decision. So pipe down. <a href="https://t.co/spFxTdwpcL">https://t.co/spFxTdwpcL</a></p>— Monty Panesar (@MontyPanesar) <a href="https://twitter.com/MontyPanesar/status/1422205737799925771?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 2, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Aye mate of course...im sure everyone had tea cup and cakes and had an amicable discussion about it, not a case of withdraw or else.

 

[Major]

First of all, BCCI didn't contact any players.

They contacted the boards, and sent them an intimation that people working for KPL wont be able to work with BCCI.

If BCCI had not informed the respective boards and next time a player associated with KPL was denied opportunity by BCCI, that board or their player association would be within their rights to ask BCCI why they didn't get a prior notice on this.

BCCI is within its rights, ethically and legally to decide who they hire, and dont hire.

First the poster says bcci intimated them than he says they were within their rights to ethicall and legally to intimidate them.


So when an indian faces racisms or discrimination in uae is it ethical and legal?? Because the host country is boss they can do whatever they want

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Why is the highly moral PCB playing this low grade hypocrite BCCI in world cups...looks like your moral high ground is not even worth 2 points. Show BCCI what you are made off by not playing in the t20 world cup. Oh wait, you actually need a spine to do that (besides a big fat mouth which keeps whining). Laughs

PCB never took moral stances. PCB insists on keeping the international game free from politics. Which is why PCB has no problem playing with any team...even India. It is the BCCI that constantly brings its self-serving moral stances that it doesn't even have the guts to follow through with.


Oh wait, you actually need a spine to do that (besides a big fat mouth which keeps whining). Laughs

Wow you seem pretty angry. Didn't know defending the most predatory and hypocritical cricket board on the planet was such an emotional topic for you.

 

[ahsan17]

First the poster says bcci intimated them than he says they were within their rights to ethicall and legally to intimidate them.


So when an indian faces racisms or discrimination in uae is it ethical and legal?? Because the host country is boss they can do whatever they want

Of course not, because then in that case it's against the interests of India. India's interests are global interests, and everyone around the world should prioritize Indian interests. Didn't you know that?

 

[Itachi]

First the poster says bcci intimated them than he says they were within their rights to ethicall and legally to intimidate them.

this is a bit dirty since you are employing a cheap trick.

quote the statement and let's see how it translates into what you are saying.

 

[Local.Dada]

First the poster says bcci intimated them than he says they were within their rights to ethicall and legally to intimidate them.


So when an indian faces racisms or discrimination in uae is it ethical and legal?? Because the host country is boss they can do whatever they want

I don’t want to make this political but isn’t that the excuse that gets thrown around when people question blasphemy laws or the fact that why minorities can’t become head of state in Pakistan?

Why is this still so complicated and being discussed? The topic of Kashmir is political and so is the intention of the league and BCCI’s response.

Pakistan and it’s cricket board can do whatever it wants and Indian Board is well within its rights to respond. Throw more money at these guys and make it worth their while. Problem solved. I am sure Gibbs will probably still play as he is the coach in one of the PSL franchises . So what exactly is the issue here?

 

[Local.Dada]

Of course not, because then in that case it's against the interests of India. India's interests are global interests, and everyone around the world should prioritize Indian interests. Didn't you know that?

Not really India’s are interests are India first and whatever suits them just like every other country in the world including hopefully Pakistan.

 

[Local.Dada]

PCB never took moral stances. PCB insists on keeping the international game free from politics. Which is why PCB has no problem playing with any team...even India. It is the BCCI that constantly brings its self-serving moral stances that it doesn't even have the guts to follow through with.


Oh wait, you actually need a spine to do that (besides a big fat mouth which keeps whining). Laughs

Wow you seem pretty angry. Didn't know defending the most predatory and hypocritical cricket board on the planet was such an emotional topic for you.

Why did Pakistan boycott the 1980’s Moscow Olympics? Or are you telling me back then things were different to now. That sounds like things do change according to situations to me.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Why did Pakistan boycott the 1980’s Moscow Olympics? Or are you telling me back then things were different to now. That sounds like things do change according to situations to me.

Please stick to the topic. We are talking about international cricket. If you want to talk about the Olympics bring it up on the Time Pass thread.

And before you use that 41 year old example from the different sport know that atleast Pakistan was consistent with their stance when they boycotted the Olympics. They didn't boycott the tournament and then turn up to play hockey because they knew they would win a medal in it. BCCI has a self-serving and contradictory moral stance towards Pakistan that can't even be called a moral stance because of how contradictory it is.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Why did Pakistan boycott the 1980’s Moscow Olympics? Or are you telling me back then things were different to now. That sounds like things do change according to situations to me.

Also seems like you have trouble distinguishing the PCB from the National Olympic Committee. Since you are confused, I'll solve your confusion. One is responsible for the national cricket team, whereas, the other is responsible for the Olympics.

 

[Real_Steel]

PCB never took moral stances. PCB insists on keeping the international game free from politics. Which is why PCB has no problem playing with any team...even India. It is the BCCI that constantly brings its self-serving moral stances that it doesn't even have the guts to follow through with.


Oh wait, you actually need a spine to do that (besides a big fat mouth which keeps whining). Laughs

Wow you seem pretty angry. Didn't know defending the most predatory and hypocritical cricket board on the planet was such an emotional topic for you.

Good for PCB that they dont say no to anyone. It still leaves BCCI with well with in its rights to say no where they want to. India is not the only country PCB Can play.

And yeah I was expecting you to shift focus to me from the topic at hand since you may have ran out of logical points to make. Dont worry about my emotions - I know how to handle them well. I am especially indifferent to hypocrites (I dont whine but move on from them - hop you get the analogy). Quick reminder that humor and sarcasm are also light emotions

 

[ahsan17]

Not really India’s are interests are India first and whatever suits them just like every other country in the world including hopefully Pakistan.

You mean to say Indians will be ok with discrimination against Indians in other countries, if it's legal?

 

[Local.Dada]

Also seems like you have trouble distinguishing the PCB from the National Olympic Committee. Since you are confused, I'll solve your confusion. One is responsible for the national cricket team, whereas, the other is responsible for the Olympics.

ICC event makes money for everyone and a lot more money for BCCI

A bilateral series during these times will obviously make a lot of money for both India and Pakistan may be benefit Pakistan a lot more relatively speaking but it will also be a PR nightmare, logistical nightmare to host a series that will span multiple weeks/months and one the reward is not worth the risk.

As simple as that. BCCI President is Saurav Ganguly who is actually close friends with a lot of Pakistani cricketers and always says good things about Pakistan cricket.

It just sounds like BCCI is a very shrewd and smart operator to me.

I am sure you are a very pious man who is 0% hypocritical in the life choices you make but sorry to break it to you 99% of the world or more doesn’t work like that.

This why does India play Pakistan only in ICC only is a futile argument. That’s the way it is. I am a very patient person, I can run it by you again.

 

[MenInG]

Stay on cricket.

 

[Local.Dada]

So what I am making out of this is you have no place to criticize Pakistan and what it allegedly does in Indian Kashmir and Afghanistan, only what India does in response. Is that right?

Look we are deviating and going around in circles here let me make it simple for you. BCCI is a very successful and rich organization that just didn’t become powerful overnight. It has become successful by making the right calls and saying no when it didn’t suit them. Simple as that.

Now coming to good work, in fact BCCI has taken care of every cricketer and by that not just a superstar but even a guy who played 1-2 ranji games is set for life. So yes it does what it suits them and does a lot of right things.

PCB should worry about it’s own ex cricketers and it pains me because this may come across as a taunt but who I heard are not doing to well financially before giving moral science lectures about what the BCCI should or shouldn’t do. There is no arrogance or Indian propaganda here, you can listen to your own ex cricketers stating the same on YouTube and other social media.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Good for PCB that they dont say no to anyone. It still leaves BCCI with well with in its rights to say no where they want to. India is not the only country PCB Can play.

And yeah I was expecting you to shift focus to me from the topic at hand since you may have ran out of logical points to make. Dont worry about my emotions - I know how to handle them well. I am especially indifferent to hypocrites (I dont whine but move on from them - hop you get the analogy). Quick reminder that humor and sarcasm are also light emotions

I couldn't care less if Pakistan plays India or not. But I'm atleast glad that you agreed that the BCCI is a hypocritical board that only takes moral stances as long as its convenient for them to do so. Even if you did it implicitly.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

ICC event makes money for everyone and a lot more money for BCCI

A bilateral series during these times will obviously make a lot of money for both India and Pakistan may be benefit Pakistan a lot more relatively speaking but it will also be a PR nightmare, logistical nightmare to host a series that will span multiple weeks/months and one the reward is not worth the risk.

As simple as that. BCCI President is Saurav Ganguly who is actually close friends with a lot of Pakistani cricketers and always says good things about Pakistan cricket.

It just sounds like BCCI is a very shrewd and smart operator to me.

I am sure you are a very pious man who is 0% hypocritical in the life choices you make but sorry to break it to you 99% of the world or more doesn’t work like that.

This why does India play Pakistan only in ICC only is a futile argument. That’s the way it is. I am a very patient person, I can run it by you again.

Judging by your tone its seems like you implicitly admit that the BCCI is a hypocritical board that only takes moral stances as long as it suits them.

The argument was never about actually playing the bilateral series. Personally speaking, I wouldn't at all be bothered if India and Pakistan never play a cricket match again. The argument was about the principle of the thing and how hypocritical the BCCI's position actually is.

 

[cricketjoshila]

First the poster says bcci intimated them than he says they were within their rights to ethicall and legally to intimidate them.


So when an indian faces racisms or discrimination in uae is it ethical and legal?? Because the host country is boss they can do whatever they want

Bcci is within its rights to decide who they employ.

They have intimated their partner boards what will make one of their players ineligible to be hired by BCCI.

Right now UAE is denying work visas to pakistan. Can Pakistanis claim its theor right to work in uae?

Pakistan is free to deny work visas to any Indian.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Please stick to the topic. We are talking about international cricket. If you want to talk about the Olympics bring it up on the Time Pass thread.

And before you use that 41 year old example from the different sport know that atleast Pakistan was consistent with their stance when they boycotted the Olympics. They didn't boycott the tournament and then turn up to play hockey because they knew they would win a medal in it. BCCI has a self-serving and contradictory moral stance towards Pakistan that can't even be called a moral stance because of how contradictory it is.

Stand is to protest against pakistan. Dont allow them to earn a cent from India. Try to not allow them to win a point in a tournament versus india.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Stand is to protest against pakistan. Dont allow them to earn a cent from India. Try to not allow them to win a point in a tournament versus india.

“We don’t want to play against a country that sends terrorists into our country and kill our soldiers, unless it costs us 2 points in the World Cup”. Do you not see how ridiculous that sounds, lol?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Stand is to protest against pakistan. Dont allow them to earn a cent from India. Try to not allow them to win a point in a tournament versus india.

Then why were BCCI trying to get Pakistan evicted from the World Cup? I think at this point BCCI's stance has gotten so utterly convoluted and confusing that neither them nor their fans even know what it actually is.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Then why were BCCI trying to get Pakistan evicted from the World Cup? I think at this point BCCI's stance has gotten so utterly convoluted and confusing that neither them nor their fans even know what it actually is.

It was not the BCCI. It was a court appointed committee known as the CoA whose chief wrote to ICC.

 

[IMMY69]

[MENTION=2099]Cricket[/MENTION]joshilla This really is tiresome.

Please stop

 

[Rana]

So Monty Panesar heeded the warning and isn’t working in KPL

Do BCCI have a duty towards him now and give him a role in coaching or broadcasting? Remember, this is a guy who is suffering from serious mental health issues, divorce and God knows what. The man needs to earn a living and he is doing what he can, even playing club cricket to make ends meet.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So Monty Panesar heeded the warning and isn’t working in KPL

Do BCCI have a duty towards him now and give him a role in coaching or broadcasting? Remember, this is a guy who is suffering from serious mental health issues, divorce and God knows what. The man needs to earn a living and he is doing what he can, even playing club cricket to make ends meet.

Every foreigner has quit kpl except two. Monty including.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It was not the BCCI. It was a court appointed committee known as the CoA whose chief wrote to ICC.

At the time the CoA were overseeing administration of the BCCI, therefore the letter came from the BCCI.

 

[bala977]

Don’t know which idiot in BCCI came up with this beauty that has boomeranged spectacularly and exploded on BCCI’s and India’s face. What an embarrassment!

A league, which otherwise would have gone almost unnoticed and certainly died a quick death, will now get the twin oxygen of publicity and funds that will only help it grow further.

 

[cricketjoshila]

At the time the CoA were overseeing administration of the BCCI, therefore the letter came from the BCCI.

It was a court appointed committee, they had little to no knowledge of cricket matters.

 

[Real_Steel]

I couldn't care less if Pakistan plays India or not. But I'm atleast glad that you agreed that the BCCI is a hypocritical board that only takes moral stances as long as its convenient for them to do so. Even if you did it implicitly.

I didnt say it implicitly..but okay if it makes you happy. Nothing changes in reality besides your emotional comfort. Peace

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It was a court appointed committee, they had little to no knowledge of cricket matters.

They were overseeing administration of the BCCI, therefore the letter came from the BCCI.

 

[Rajdeep]

Don’t know which idiot in BCCI came up with this beauty that has boomeranged spectacularly and exploded on BCCI’s and India’s face. What an embarrassment!

A league, which otherwise would have gone almost unnoticed and certainly died a quick death, will now get the twin oxygen of publicity and funds that will only help it grow further.

KPLs momentary publicity has no impact on Indian cricket or IPL. The main priority for BCCI was to inform players that dont participate on this politically motivated league or else dont come here to earn money from Indian cricket. BCCI couldnt care much if in the process it gave 2 days of fame to the league. It is bound to fail anyway as the quality of cricket will be awful with bunch of retired players.

 

[Real_Steel]

BCCI has taken the right stand - KPL will have only IPL rejects. Momentary fame does not guarantee success. A country who appoints Army Generals and Ex-politicians to run the cricket board shouldnt preach about mixing politics and cricket (in my opinion any organization comes with politics). PCB isnt making a choice whom to play...they are forced to due to the unfortunate closure of cricket in Pak.

BCCI is absolutely free to decide how they run cricket in India, who they invite, who they dont. Who they play with bilaterally etc.

People can have an opinion but its armchair and notional at its best. There is no regulatory framework binding the BCCI (its the India govt if any)

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I didnt say it implicitly..but okay if it makes you happy. Nothing changes in reality besides your emotional comfort. Peace

You did. You said the BCCI with is well with in its rights to say no where they want to. And I agree that they are. But by admitting they do that, you are also admitting that they do have a hypocritical moral stance even if they are well within their rights to exercise that hypocritical moral stance.

 

[Real_Steel]

You did. You said the BCCI with is well with in its rights to say no where they want to. And I agree that they are. But by admitting they do that, you are also admitting that they do have a hypocritical moral stance even if they are well within their rights to exercise that hypocritical moral stance.

I didnt comment or provide an opinion on their moral - the moral of this depends on which side of the Kashmir argument you are (i dont want to go there). But looks like you know better what I said. Thats one grade beyond being a moral police - i think its called mind reader. oh wait - mind readers dont exist so may be this is you pushing your stance too hard for emotional comfort

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I didnt comment or provide an opinion on their moral - the moral of this depends on which side of the Kashmir argument you are (i dont want to go there). But looks like you know better what I said. Thats one grade beyond being a moral police - i think its called mind reader. oh wait - mind readers dont exist so may be this is you pushing your stance too hard for emotional comfort

I think you lack basic comprehension skills. When you say the BCCI is within its rights to not play Pakistan you essentially admit that they play and not play Pakistan when its convenient for them. Which again, shows everyone how hypocritical and contradictory their moral stance is.

 

[MenInG]

UMBAI: Cricket, like any sport, evokes emotions. The more a point-of-view gets polemical, the more it gets talked about. And the more it gets talked about, the more it begins to border on the contentious.
The latest debate on BCCI’s view of the Kashmir Premier League (KPL) is one such, except that this is not just cricket. It’s cricket and beyond, one that partly requires the BCCI to take a stand but largely remains a matter of state sovereignty.

In that, the cricket board taking a stand on the said league – one that will be played in Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir (POK) and making it abundantly clear that it will not engage with stakeholders who choose to participate in it is, in principle, a by-product of how it wishes to address an issue with potentially larger ramifications. And to conclude things, the Board says, “Now that our stand has been spelt out loud and clear, this matter should rest. It’s not up for debate”.

“The BCCI has taken a stand that’s in line with not just the present governments but governments of the past. When it comes to the subject of POK, the BCCI’s stand is clear because the government of India’s stand is clear. So, where’s the debate?” say those who oversee the affairs of the Board.

And, if the BCCI has chosen to let other stakeholders in the game know about where it stands on the matter, there’s quite a degree of unanimity among its members and office-bearers that it is the right thing to do.

“And as I said, opinions are dime-a-dozen. A Herschelle Gibbs may have a mind of his own. So, he’s supposed to have one, but not the BCCI, is it?” say those tracking these developments.

Gibbs recently tweeted: ‘Completely unnecessary of the [MENTION=14959]bcci[/MENTION] to bring their political agenda with Pakistan into the equation and trying to prevent me playing in the @kpl_20. Also threatening me saying they won’t allow me entry into India for any cricket related work. Ludicrous.’

Soon after, former Pakistan allrounder Shahid Afridi retweeted Gibbs with the following: ‘Really disappointing that BCCI is once again mixing cricket and politics! KPL is a league for Kashmir, Pakistan and cricket fans around the world. We will put up a wonderful show and won’t be deterred with such behavior!!’

“Ludicrous,” as Gibbs says this sounds and “disappointing” as this might be for Afridi, the BCCI is clear that it’s not giving anyone a choice here. “On the contrary, the Indian board is making it abundantly clear that it has a stand on the issue that will not change. Where’s the debate? If he still wants to go ahead, he’s free to do so?” officials in India say.

However, TOI understands that with BCCI making it's stand absolutely clear, cricket boards (read: International Cricket Council full members, barring the Pakistan Cricket Board) have reverted in agreement to BCCI’s view. While the PCB was quick to criticise the BCCI in this regard and said it’ll take the matter up with the ICC, the ICC has maintained that it will not interfere in the matter.

The Indian cricket board meanwhile finds it extremely ignorant on part of those who’ve been 'fuelling this controversy'. “The BCCI has a stand on the matter. It’s as simple as that. No sports federation anywhere in the world will have a viewpoint contrary to that of their government and the country. Give me an example and I’ll take it. The BCCI is not asking cricket boards to refrain from participating in the Pakistan Super League (PSL), is it?” officials add.

There have been speculations that the England Cricket Board agreed to pull its players out of the Kashmir league because there's a chance that the BCCI may allow a particular age-group of players to participate in The Hundred.

Board officials, nevertheless, laughed that off. “Let me make this bit absolutely clear -- this subject doesn't come with an option of a barter,” says an official of the Indian board.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-loud-and-clear-bcci/articleshow/85030581.cms

 

[Real_Steel]

I think you lack basic comprehension skills. When you say the BCCI is within its rights to not play Pakistan you essentially admit that they play and not play Pakistan when its convenient for them. Which again, shows everyone how hypocritical and contradictory their moral stance is.

Thanks for another personal comment. People preach so much or morals and they themselves are...BCCI has their right. Does not mean they use it to their convenience. Voting is another example. You are well within your rights to vote or not vote. May be in your book it means "vote when convenient". I rest my case. Hope you're emotions are good

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Thanks for another personal comment. People preach so much or morals and they themselves are...BCCI has their right. Does not mean they use it to their convenience. Voting is another example. You are well within your rights to vote or not vote. May be in your book it means "vote when convenient". I rest my case. Hope you're emotions are good

That was not a personal comment in any way. It was a comment based on all your replies to me on this thread.

You rest your case? Where do you think you are, a courtroom?

Well considering you have done nothing to dispute the fact that the BCCI has a hypocritical moral stance towards Pakistan, it doesn't really matter if you explicitly admit it or not. I would have had some iota of respect for you if you did because that would mean that atleast you are not intellectually dishonest, but clearly that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Thanks for another personal comment. People preach so much or morals and they themselves are...BCCI has their right. Does not mean they use it to their convenience. Voting is another example. You are well within your rights to vote or not vote. May be in your book it means "vote when convenient". I rest my case. Hope you're emotions are good

BCCI and their fans who selectively boycott Pakistan in cricket are hypocrites. You can rest your case now.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I think you lack basic comprehension skills. When you say the BCCI is within its rights to not play Pakistan you essentially admit that they play and not play Pakistan when its convenient for them. Which again, shows everyone how hypocritical and contradictory their moral stance is.

So BCCI should take decisions to play or not play according to whose convenience?

 

[Real_Steel]

That was not a personal comment in any way. It was a comment based on all your replies to me on this thread.

You rest your case? Where do you think you are, a courtroom?

Well considering you have done nothing to dispute the fact that the BCCI has a hypocritical moral stance towards Pakistan, it doesn't really matter if you explicitly admit it or not. I would have had some iota of respect for you if you did because that would mean that atleast you are not intellectually dishonest, but clearly that doesn't seem to be the case.

Wasnt your comment about me - so it is a comment about a person - which is me , hence "personal". its an irony you comment about my comprehension skills and "personal comment" has to be explained to you this way.

I thought I am in a forum where you have dignified arguments where you can rest your case when you have said everything you want. May be in your world this happens only in a courtroom

 

[Real_Steel]

BCCI and their fans who selectively boycott Pakistan in cricket are hypocrites. You can rest your case now.

Thanks for the advice.. I will rest my case when I want do. BCCI will boycott who they want to. Get your own life please.

 

[Golden arm]

UMBAI: Cricket, like any sport, evokes emotions. The more a point-of-view gets polemical, the more it gets talked about. And the more it gets talked about, the more it begins to border on the contentious.
The latest debate on BCCI’s view of the Kashmir Premier League (KPL) is one such, except that this is not just cricket. It’s cricket and beyond, one that partly requires the BCCI to take a stand but largely remains a matter of state sovereignty.

In that, the cricket board taking a stand on the said league – one that will be played in Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir (POK) and making it abundantly clear that it will not engage with stakeholders who choose to participate in it is, in principle, a by-product of how it wishes to address an issue with potentially larger ramifications. And to conclude things, the Board says, “Now that our stand has been spelt out loud and clear, this matter should rest. It’s not up for debate”.

“The BCCI has taken a stand that’s in line with not just the present governments but governments of the past. When it comes to the subject of POK, the BCCI’s stand is clear because the government of India’s stand is clear. So, where’s the debate?” say those who oversee the affairs of the Board.

And, if the BCCI has chosen to let other stakeholders in the game know about where it stands on the matter, there’s quite a degree of unanimity among its members and office-bearers that it is the right thing to do.

“And as I said, opinions are dime-a-dozen. A Herschelle Gibbs may have a mind of his own. So, he’s supposed to have one, but not the BCCI, is it?” say those tracking these developments.

Gibbs recently tweeted: ‘Completely unnecessary of the [MENTION=14959]bcci[/MENTION] to bring their political agenda with Pakistan into the equation and trying to prevent me playing in the @kpl_20. Also threatening me saying they won’t allow me entry into India for any cricket related work. Ludicrous.’

Soon after, former Pakistan allrounder Shahid Afridi retweeted Gibbs with the following: ‘Really disappointing that BCCI is once again mixing cricket and politics! KPL is a league for Kashmir, Pakistan and cricket fans around the world. We will put up a wonderful show and won’t be deterred with such behavior!!’

“Ludicrous,” as Gibbs says this sounds and “disappointing” as this might be for Afridi, the BCCI is clear that it’s not giving anyone a choice here. “On the contrary, the Indian board is making it abundantly clear that it has a stand on the issue that will not change. Where’s the debate? If he still wants to go ahead, he’s free to do so?” officials in India say.

However, TOI understands that with BCCI making it's stand absolutely clear, cricket boards (read: International Cricket Council full members, barring the Pakistan Cricket Board) have reverted in agreement to BCCI’s view. While the PCB was quick to criticise the BCCI in this regard and said it’ll take the matter up with the ICC, the ICC has maintained that it will not interfere in the matter.

The Indian cricket board meanwhile finds it extremely ignorant on part of those who’ve been 'fuelling this controversy'. “The BCCI has a stand on the matter. It’s as simple as that. No sports federation anywhere in the world will have a viewpoint contrary to that of their government and the country. Give me an example and I’ll take it. The BCCI is not asking cricket boards to refrain from participating in the Pakistan Super League (PSL), is it?” officials add.

There have been speculations that the England Cricket Board agreed to pull its players out of the Kashmir league because there's a chance that the BCCI may allow a particular age-group of players to participate in The Hundred.

Board officials, nevertheless, laughed that off. “Let me make this bit absolutely clear -- this subject doesn't come with an option of a barter,” says an official of the Indian board.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-loud-and-clear-bcci/articleshow/85030581.cms

And to conclude things, the Board says, “Now that our stand has been spelt out loud and clear, this matter should rest. It’s not up for debate”.

Idiot in BCCI kickstarted the fire, and now they are shivering to stop the process. It's not going to stop now. You have given the necessary fuel and fame for a 3rd class event to be highlighted and successful.

Joshila i hope you noticed this

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

So BCCI should take decisions to play or not play according to whose convenience?

I think you are struggling to understand that moral stands are not about convenience. They are about staying true to what you believe in...if that is what you actually believe in. When you talk about taking a moral stance by not playing someone and then go ahead and pick and choose where you want to play them and where you don't want to play them than that makes you a hypocrite.

If BCCI is looking for convenience than they should stop taking these sanctimonious 'moral stands' because all they really do is project their hypocrisy.

 

[Golden arm]

UMBAI: Cricket, like any sport, evokes emotions. The more a point-of-view gets polemical, the more it gets talked about. And the more it gets talked about, the more it begins to border on the contentious.
The latest debate on BCCI’s view of the Kashmir Premier League (KPL) is one such, except that this is not just cricket. It’s cricket and beyond, one that partly requires the BCCI to take a stand but largely remains a matter of state sovereignty.

In that, the cricket board taking a stand on the said league – one that will be played in Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir (POK) and making it abundantly clear that it will not engage with stakeholders who choose to participate in it is, in principle, a by-product of how it wishes to address an issue with potentially larger ramifications. And to conclude things, the Board says, “Now that our stand has been spelt out loud and clear, this matter should rest. It’s not up for debate”.

“The BCCI has taken a stand that’s in line with not just the present governments but governments of the past. When it comes to the subject of POK, the BCCI’s stand is clear because the government of India’s stand is clear. So, where’s the debate?” say those who oversee the affairs of the Board.

And, if the BCCI has chosen to let other stakeholders in the game know about where it stands on the matter, there’s quite a degree of unanimity among its members and office-bearers that it is the right thing to do.

“And as I said, opinions are dime-a-dozen. A Herschelle Gibbs may have a mind of his own. So, he’s supposed to have one, but not the BCCI, is it?” say those tracking these developments.

Gibbs recently tweeted: ‘Completely unnecessary of the [MENTION=14959]bcci[/MENTION] to bring their political agenda with Pakistan into the equation and trying to prevent me playing in the @kpl_20. Also threatening me saying they won’t allow me entry into India for any cricket related work. Ludicrous.’

Soon after, former Pakistan allrounder Shahid Afridi retweeted Gibbs with the following: ‘Really disappointing that BCCI is once again mixing cricket and politics! KPL is a league for Kashmir, Pakistan and cricket fans around the world. We will put up a wonderful show and won’t be deterred with such behavior!!’

“Ludicrous,” as Gibbs says this sounds and “disappointing” as this might be for Afridi, the BCCI is clear that it’s not giving anyone a choice here. “On the contrary, the Indian board is making it abundantly clear that it has a stand on the issue that will not change. Where’s the debate? If he still wants to go ahead, he’s free to do so?” officials in India say.

However, TOI understands that with BCCI making it's stand absolutely clear, cricket boards (read: International Cricket Council full members, barring the Pakistan Cricket Board) have reverted in agreement to BCCI’s view. While the PCB was quick to criticise the BCCI in this regard and said it’ll take the matter up with the ICC, the ICC has maintained that it will not interfere in the matter.

The Indian cricket board meanwhile finds it extremely ignorant on part of those who’ve been 'fuelling this controversy'. “The BCCI has a stand on the matter. It’s as simple as that. No sports federation anywhere in the world will have a viewpoint contrary to that of their government and the country. Give me an example and I’ll take it. The BCCI is not asking cricket boards to refrain from participating in the Pakistan Super League (PSL), is it?” officials add.

There have been speculations that the England Cricket Board agreed to pull its players out of the Kashmir league because there's a chance that the BCCI may allow a particular age-group of players to participate in The Hundred.

Board officials, nevertheless, laughed that off. “Let me make this bit absolutely clear -- this subject doesn't come with an option of a barter,” says an official of the Indian board.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...-loud-and-clear-bcci/articleshow/85030581.cms

this is such an embarassing article for idio J Shah with embrassment written all over it!!!

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Quite shameful of BCCI I would say - denying people meeting their families because they play cricket. They mix sports and politics and are allowed to do that. IOC and FIFA would show India this is not how sport is done - sadly not ICC.

 

[Technics 1210]

BCCI ban Indian players from playing in foreign leagues - why we all surprised here? Also loving how BCCI went crying to the ICC and got pistol whipped with legislation. Ha ha!

KPL - 3 letters sending India into a tail spin. This is all it takes.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Wasnt your comment about me - so it is a comment about a person - which is me , hence "personal". its an irony you comment about my comprehension skills and "personal comment" has to be explained to you this way.

I thought I am in a forum where you have dignified arguments where you can rest your case when you have said everything you want. May be in your world this happens only in a courtroom

I have been nothing but dignified to you. If I wasn't, my comments would have been deleted, and rightly so. And you can fixate on the semantics of it all you want. But fact is I don't know you personally therefore any opinion I give on your comprehension skills is based on what I have judged by conversing with you

 

[IMMY69]

Thanks for the advice.. I will rest my case when I want do. BCCI will boycott who they want to. Get your own life please.

and will you denounce the actions of the BCCi?

 

[Real_Steel]

I have been nothing but dignified to you. If I wasn't, my comments would have been deleted, and rightly so. And you can fixate on the semantics of it all you want. But fact is I don't know you personally therefore any opinion I give on your comprehension skills is based on what I have judged by conversing with you

Great quality to give opinions about people and organizations without knowing them..keep it up

 

[Real_Steel]

and will you denounce the actions of the BCCi?

I have shared my thoughts around their actions with the reasons before I said I wanted to rest this argument. I see no wrong in BCCI's actions. BCCI does not want bilateral ties with Pakistan which is consistent with the govt stance of the country. People dont realize here that even the govt has just suspended bilateral diplomacy but they still meet on world forums. Same is with cricket. I cant see how it is hypocritical. That's why I also say below - its very easy to have negative opinions without knowing the context in which BCCI is operating in. Usually such opinions are ....well just opinions (no substance)

 

[IMMY69]

I have shared my thoughts around their actions with the reasons before I said I wanted to rest this argument. I see no wrong in BCCI's actions. BCCI does not want bilateral ties with Pakistan which is consistent with the govt stance of the country. People dont realize here that even the govt has just suspended bilateral diplomacy but they still meet on world forums. Same is with cricket. I cant see how it is hypocritical. That's why I also say below - its very easy to have negative opinions without knowing the context in which BCCI is operating in. Usually such opinions are ....well just opinions (no substance)

Then I'm afraid I would have to call you a hypocrite.
Sports is sports and if you're going to go down such a path then stop playing Pakistan in tournaments too.

I would also call you crass and petty because these actions are just that

Hope you understand this and can accept and agree with my view.

 

[Itachi]

I think you are struggling to understand that moral stands are not about convenience. They are about staying true to what you believe in...if that is what you actually believe in. When you talk about taking a moral stance by not playing someone and then go ahead and pick and choose where you want to play them and where you don't want to play them than that makes you a hypocrite.

If BCCI is looking for convenience than they should stop taking these sanctimonious 'moral stands' because all they really do is project their hypocrisy.

cricket is a business, not a handout. It should be treated as a business.

 

[IMMY69]

cricket is a business, not a handout. It should be treated as a business.

This is an extremely poor post.

Cricket is a sport and should be treated like a sport. The business side is essential to keep the game growing but they game should never be mixed with politics.
Politics should be kept away from the game.

Furthermore, I would be extremely disappointed with a company that acts so petty.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

A debate is only worth having if the other side is willing to consider both sides of the argument. If one side is coming with a bullet list in one hand, and a saffron flag in the other, then it is not going to be a debate, merely a nationalistic rant.

BCCI/Indian govt doesn't want to play cricket with Pakistan...we get it.

 

[Itachi]

This is an extremely poor post.

Cricket is a sport and should be treated like a sport. The business side is essential to keep the game growing but they game should never be mixed with politics.
Politics should be kept away from the game.

Furthermore, I would be extremely disappointed with a company that acts so petty.

The KPL organizers mixed politics with KPL which is why this debacle happened in the first place.

 

[IMMY69]

The KPL organizers mixed politics with KPL which is why this debacle happened in the first place.

with a few retired international players..

Ask most people who are not relying on Indian income what they think about this and I'm sure they will agree that it's petty, crass and hypocritical.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I think I'd rather listen to the Indian national anthem than some of their supporters mental gymnastics about this topic.

 

[Rajdeep]

with a few retired international players..

Ask most people who are not relying on Indian income what they think about this and I'm sure they will agree that it's petty, crass and hypocritical.

What kind of logic is that? So just bcoz there are bunch of retired players, they have the right to mix politics?

Anyway glad that you atleast accepted that KPL involved politics on their league.

 

[Pakhs]

What kind of logic is that? So just bcoz there are bunch of retired players, they have the right to mix politics?

Anyway glad that you atleast accepted that KPL involved politics on their league.

Again explain what is political about this league?

 

[Itachi]

with a few retired international players..

Ask most people who are not relying on Indian income what they think about this and I'm sure they will agree that it's petty, crass and hypocritical.

the statement of KPL organizers doesn't agree with your claim.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Eagerly waiting for KPL. Thank you PCB for organising this event for Kashmiris.

Indians can continue crying.

 

[IMMY69]

What kind of logic is that? So just bcoz there are bunch of retired players, they have the right to mix politics?

Anyway glad that you atleast accepted that KPL involved politics on their league.

No!
A strong, secure nation should always look past these things.
India has demonstrated time and again that it is neither of these things.
before you quote GDP etc etc this is not about money or wealth.

If you can't see it for what it is then I can't help you.

 

[Rajdeep]

No!
A strong, secure nation should always look past these things.
India has demonstrated time and again that it is neither of these things.
before you quote GDP etc etc this is not about money or wealth.

If you can't see it for what it is then I can't help you.

So you agree Pakistan should have looked past as well when India wore army tshirts? It was a game against Australia and Pak had nothing to do with it. But they still went running to ICC complaining about it.

Unless are you saying Pakistan is also not a strong, secure nation like India?

 

[IMMY69]

So you agree Pakistan should have looked past as well when India wore army tshirts? It was a game against Australia and Pak had nothing to do with it. But they still went running to ICC complaining about it.

Unless are you saying Pakistan is also not a strong, secure nation like India?

No!
Because the PCB didn't threaten the Aussie players with refusal of work visa's if they went ahead and played against India wearing army hats or whatever it was.

Besides its like comparing apples with oranges. The ICC has rules on politicising the game and even the ECB asked Moeen Ali to stop wearing an arm band in sport of Kashmiri's. In this instance the BCCI threatened foreign players from participating.

Like I said in previous post, if you really can't see it for what it is then I can't help you.

 

[Real_Steel]

Then I'm afraid I would have to call you a hypocrite.
Sports is sports and if you're going to go down such a path then stop playing Pakistan in tournaments too.

I would also call you crass and petty because these actions are just that

Hope you understand this and can accept and agree with my view.

Sport is played on land which is under government regulation. You can keep living under a utopian "sport is sport" concept but its not free from human issues. And keep calling me names, it only reflects on you. Not on me