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What’s the future of English Test batting?

Kohli The King of Chase

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England has improved their LOI games leaps and bounds in last 5 years but their test batting quality has taken a serious hit

The numbers are quite shocking to say the least

These are the numbers (avg) of 13 players that have represented England recently in tests


R Burns/ 31.7
H Hameed/ 34.9
D Malan/ 27.8
J Root */ 49.8
B Stokes/ 36.8
O Pope/ 32.2
J Buttler +/ 33.4

D Sibley/ 28.9
Z Crawley/ 28.3
D Lawrence/ 27.2
J Vince/ 27.9
J Bairstow/ 33.7
M Ali/ 28.3

Out of 13 batsmen just 1, yes just ONE average 37 (and above) and that is Root

And out of those 13, 6 batsmen average below 29. They’re not even touching 30

It looks as if it’s Root (+ some 30s from Buttler & Stokes) or nothing

Can the English batsmen up their game or are we gonna witness their downfall
 
Last few years, Stokes has averaged upper forties. He is still getting better, but has to overcome the drag factor of a long string of early career low scores.

Otherwise - England have to get back to a serious programme of four-day matches instead of this 100 nonsense. Only then will test batters start to come through again.
 
Said it before, will say it again.

England find it the most difficult to produce a batsman who averages over 50, or a bowler who averages below 25.
 
Though I have high hopes for Hameed, who has a good long-innings temperament.
 
Hameed certainly has the temperament and is a level headed man, not focused on late nights, drinking, partying and the nonsense that still permeates the English dressing room, regardless of all the PR otherwise. I have also met Hameed's family and they keep him grounded, a lot of this shows on his onfield temperament and his ability to grind. He just needs more time in FC, whether it's domestic or international, I am not sure.

The rest however are horrible. Butler is a terrific ODI bat but just not consistent enough to be more than a 30-40 run getter in tests, which would be fine if the guys at the top were getting to about 200-250 before he walked in, they do not.

Much the same can be said for Stokes, yes he's had a couple centuries (in 23 completed innings) in the last 24 months with an average of 40 but that's a heck of a lot to do for a guy who also has to bowl. So once again, the top order failing doesn't give Stokes and Buttler much room to put on big scores.

That top order, Crawley had the one great innings against Pak, Burns looks clueless, Sibley is meh..this honestly is the best the dom circuit has to offer and it'll be years before the next crop comes up. A bad time for English batting for years to come.
 
I said it before. England's batters for the Ashes are poor. Dawid Malan, Ollie Pope, Jonny Bairstow are not good enough.

Ollie Pope has time on his side, so he could still turn it around, but even the names who have been in the team, haven't been good enough. Zak Crawley besides the runs against Pakistan has been poor, Dom Sibley has also been poor and slow, slower than Azhar Ali.

Dan Lawrence and James Vince are more white-ball players such as Jason Roy, so there inclusion wouldn't have made sense either. There has to be a real upgrade needed on county cricket.

First Class cricket is essential to find real quality batters and not these T20 hitters.
 
I said it before. England's batters for the Ashes are poor. Dawid Malan, Ollie Pope, Jonny Bairstow are not good enough.

Ollie Pope has time on his side, so he could still turn it around, but even the names who have been in the team, haven't been good enough. Zak Crawley besides the runs against Pakistan has been poor, Dom Sibley has also been poor and slow, slower than Azhar Ali.

Dan Lawrence and James Vince are more white-ball players such as Jason Roy, so there inclusion wouldn't have made sense either. There has to be a real upgrade needed on county cricket.

First Class cricket is essential to find real quality batters and not these T20 hitters.

Malan got a century and four fifties on the last tour of Australia.

The rest - agreed.
 
Malan got a century and four fifties on the last tour of Australia.

The rest - agreed.

The issue with Malan is he's now in his mid thirties, his reflexes are starting to slow down. He's playing in conditions where pace and bounce will quicker and sharper. Despite moving to Yorkshire and playing at Headingly, he looks out of all sorts.
 
I dont think Hameed is a long term test prospect. I haven't really been impressed with him in first class or test cricket and until he has an absolutely cracking FC season he shouldnt be selected again.

Ollie Pope has the potential to be a top class player and needs to be given a very long rope.

Burns, Malan and Hammed aren't test class but if its the best that they have then what can they do?

There are too many FC teams and the level of cricket is highly diluted, due to the amount of time that the international side and the lions spend on the road. However there is a lot of history

My recommendation would be to go down a 3 division structure with 6 teams in each division. They should also up the number of overseas players to 3 per side.
 
England need to completely change their top 3 with new batsmen. Root and Stokes arent consistent enough to compensate for the weak top order.

Josh Bohannon should debut in engalnds next series, has been the most consistent county batsman the past few years.
Hugh chance that Jake Libby and Tom Abell will also be considered.


Young batsman like Crawley have potential but still need more time to develop their game
I think Dan Lawrence is the best prospect, he has scored 50s in in asia and in england vs new Zealand. He has batted at no 3. and no.6, hes aggressive and versatile.

Although pope has had a bat start, he is probably the one who england are investing in the most, if he gets some scores this ashes, his place will be locked
 
England's Test form reminds me of their 90's team. England were #8 in Test ranking back in the 90's.

They seem to have neglected Test cricket for LOI cricket.
 
Here are recent stats of some youngsters from county championship..
Look at impressive numbers of Pope and Vince, they are bullying country cricket but their performances in internationals are very average. Players like Haines, Libby, Lanning, Bedingham should be next to represented the nation.


Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50
1.TJ Haines 13 25 0 1176 156 47.04 2231 52.71 3 6
(Sussex)
2.JD Libby 14 23 4 1075 180* 56.57 2209 48.66 4 4
(Worcestershire)
3.DG Bedingham 13 20 3 1029 257 60.52 1718 59.89 3 3
(Durham)
4.MJJ Critchley 14 26 3 1000 109 43.47 1752 57.07 1 8
(Derbyshire)
5.BC Brown 12 21 2 976 157 51.36 1636 59.65 4 2
(Sussex)
6.LJ Hill 14 22 1 944 145 44.95 1587 59.48 3 5
(Leicestershire)
7.KS Carlson 14 23 4 928 170* 48.84 1396 66.47 3 5
(Glamorgan)
8.OJ Pope 9 13 2 861 274 78.27 1121 76.80 3 0
(Surrey)
9.JJ Bohannon 14 18 2 853 170 53.31 1790 47.65 2 5 0
(Lancashire)
10.R Vasconcelos 14 24 1 845 185* 36.73 1384 61.05 2 2 1 114 3
(Northamptonshire)
11.BT Slater 14 24 3 837 114* 39.85 1892 44.23 2 5 1 114 2
(Nottinghamshire)
12.SR Hain 14 25 2 826 118 35.91 2004 41.21 1 6
(Warwickshire)
13.JM Vince 13 20 0 816 231 40.80 1386 58.87 1 4
(Hampshire)
14.CB Cooke 14 21 7 816 205* 58.28 1506 54.18 4 1
(Glamorgan)
15.HC Brook 14 22 1 797 118 37.95 1286 61.97 2 5
(Yorkshire)
16.RM Yates 13 23 2 793 132* 37.76 1776 44.65 4 2
(Warwickshire)
17.RI Keogh 14 24 2 766 126 34.81 1363 56.19 2 4
(Northamptonshire)
18.RG White 14 26 4 765 120 34.77 1775 43.09 2 4
(Middlesex)
19.JM Clarke 13 22 1 760 109 36.19 1329 57.18 1 7
(Nottinghamshire)
20.EG Barnard 13 18 3 746 128 49.73 1458 51.16 2 3
 
Here are recent stats of some youngsters from county championship..
Look at impressive numbers of Pope and Vince, they are bullying country cricket but their performances in internationals are very average. Players like Haines, Libby, Lanning, Bedingham should be next to represented the nation.


Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50
1.TJ Haines 13 25 0 1176 156 47.04 2231 52.71 3 6
(Sussex)
2.JD Libby 14 23 4 1075 180* 56.57 2209 48.66 4 4
(Worcestershire)
3.DG Bedingham 13 20 3 1029 257 60.52 1718 59.89 3 3
(Durham)
4.MJJ Critchley 14 26 3 1000 109 43.47 1752 57.07 1 8
(Derbyshire)
5.BC Brown 12 21 2 976 157 51.36 1636 59.65 4 2
(Sussex)
6.LJ Hill 14 22 1 944 145 44.95 1587 59.48 3 5
(Leicestershire)
7.KS Carlson 14 23 4 928 170* 48.84 1396 66.47 3 5
(Glamorgan)
8.OJ Pope 9 13 2 861 274 78.27 1121 76.80 3 0
(Surrey)
9.JJ Bohannon 14 18 2 853 170 53.31 1790 47.65 2 5 0
(Lancashire)
10.R Vasconcelos 14 24 1 845 185* 36.73 1384 61.05 2 2 1 114 3
(Northamptonshire)
11.BT Slater 14 24 3 837 114* 39.85 1892 44.23 2 5 1 114 2
(Nottinghamshire)
12.SR Hain 14 25 2 826 118 35.91 2004 41.21 1 6
(Warwickshire)
13.JM Vince 13 20 0 816 231 40.80 1386 58.87 1 4
(Hampshire)
14.CB Cooke 14 21 7 816 205* 58.28 1506 54.18 4 1
(Glamorgan)
15.HC Brook 14 22 1 797 118 37.95 1286 61.97 2 5
(Yorkshire)
16.RM Yates 13 23 2 793 132* 37.76 1776 44.65 4 2
(Warwickshire)
17.RI Keogh 14 24 2 766 126 34.81 1363 56.19 2 4
(Northamptonshire)
18.RG White 14 26 4 765 120 34.77 1775 43.09 2 4
(Middlesex)
19.JM Clarke 13 22 1 760 109 36.19 1329 57.18 1 7
(Nottinghamshire)
20.EG Barnard 13 18 3 746 128 49.73 1458 51.16 2 3

David Bedingham is a good shout, but in an interview a few months ago he said he wants to represent South Africa.
 
David Bedingham is a good shout, but in an interview a few months ago he said he wants to represent South Africa.

Haha, yet again it speaks volumes that a South African import is eclipsing all the domestic county guys who probably just see the task as something that pays the bills.
 
I shared my view on PP a number of years ago that the ECB had consciously written off Test cricket for the foreseeable future and were only interested in winning white ball World Cups. This is a pursuit that to be fair has since proven somewhat successful. But it is genuinely quite melancholy and sad to see the home and birthplace of cricket hold such a half-baked outlook on the highest form of the game. I’m not sure what the solution is.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BNE traffic update: A large crowd for the first test so plan your Cummins and goings. We'd be Lyon if we said there'll be nothing but Green lights near the Gabba. Don't say we didn't Warner <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ashes?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ashes</a></p>— Queensland Police (@QldPolice) <a href="https://twitter.com/QldPolice/status/1468364961827098624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Queensland Police are launching an investigation into a group impersonating a Test batting order at the Gabba.</p>— Queensland Police (@QldPolice) <a href="https://twitter.com/QldPolice/status/1468436080558960640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Last few years, Stokes has averaged upper forties. He is still getting better, but has to overcome the drag factor of a long string of early career low scores.

Otherwise - England have to get back to a serious programme of four-day matches instead of this 100 nonsense. Only then will test batters start to come through again.

Stokes is done, finished. He will be mediocre in Tests going forwards.
 
Burns and Hameed I just don’t see England going anywhere with those two. Malan is a decent bat and better than what his current numbers suggest but the guy is in his mid 30s.

From what I’ve seen of Lawrence and Foakes I think they are worth investing in. A bit out of left field but I reckon England might be better off taking a punt on something like this next few years and see how that works out. I certainly don’t think this lot would do any worse as a batting unit.

Bairstow (32)
Lawrence (25)
Root (31)
Pope (24)
Buttler (31)
Stokes (31)
Foakes (w/k) (29)
Ollie (28) / Sam Curran (24) / Woakes (33)

Anderson / Broad / Archer / Wood / plus preferably one supremo spindoctor

If England can somehow work out their batting woes I think they do have the bowling firepower and depth to get into the top 3/4 (once they stop making shelling catches an art form that is).
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BNE traffic update: A large crowd for the first test so plan your Cummins and goings. We'd be Lyon if we said there'll be nothing but Green lights near the Gabba. Don't say we didn't Warner <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ashes?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ashes</a></p>— Queensland Police (@QldPolice) <a href="https://twitter.com/QldPolice/status/1468364961827098624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 7, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Queensland Police are launching an investigation into a group impersonating a Test batting order at the Gabba.</p>— Queensland Police (@QldPolice) <a href="https://twitter.com/QldPolice/status/1468436080558960640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That's gold!! :))) :)))
 
Said it before, will say it again.

England find it the most difficult to produce a batsman who averages over 50, or a bowler who averages below 25.

The conditions are a factor too. England is not an easy place to bat. For example, Cook averaged 50 odd in Asia and would have sustained a 50+ career average had he played for an Asian team.

The bowlers don’t seem to develop all-round skills to excel in different conditions. They become too reliant on conventional swing, though Anderson has been stellar over the last 11-12 years that is a longer period than the entire careers of most bowlers.
 
Stokes is a quitter. Won’t be surprised to see him run away mid tour like Swann at some point in the future after playing the mental health card again.

He is an incredible cricketer but not trustworthy. ECB should be delighted to have him when available but they should also be wary that they could be without him at any point as well.
 
Shan Masood getting a county contract are worrying signs.

Having said that England usually bat all the way down to number 9/10, so even a few thirty averages still work for them.
 
Stokes is a quitter. Won’t be surprised to see him run away mid tour like Swann at some point in the future after playing the mental health card again.

He is an incredible cricketer but not trustworthy. ECB should be delighted to have him when available but they should also be wary that they could be without him at any point as well.

Stokes' dad died of brain cancer a year ago.

That may cause some mental distress.

Fact you are always so quick to judge other peoples' mental health is a rather poor reflection on you as a Doctor and human being.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Don’t blame the players, fix the system! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ashes?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ashes</a></p>— Kevin Pietersen&#55358;&#56719; (@KP24) <a href="https://twitter.com/KP24/status/1468929099469148160?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">147 all out. <br>Please don’t blame the players for not being good enough. <br>The county system is completely flawed & WILL NOT produce enough tough & high quality batters. <br>I’ve said this for years now - TOO MANY COUNTIES!</p>— Kevin Pietersen&#55358;&#56719; (@KP24) <a href="https://twitter.com/KP24/status/1468535226532048899?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 8, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
There is no future.

Root is the last all time great batsman that England will be producing.

They can't have a test cricket future in the modern era with the Duke bowl in England conditions because their priorities are set on limited overs cricket and the stupid X Ball system they inaugrated early this year.
 
Get some decent technique openers from county who have right basics and stick to them...
Haseeb is okay and should be given a good run as well.
Middle order of Root, Stokes and Pope can be decent for next 3-4 years.. So continue.
Crawley/Vince can come in between in case of Injury.
I do not think I have seen English batters with weird Techniques like Burns and Sibley before. Generally English Cricket is pretty orthodox so not sure what is happening there.. So find the cause of that and fix it ASAP.
 
Stokes is not the only person or sportsman to lose a loved one to cancer.

Fine he decided to take a break from cricket, but no one forced him to return to the Ashes, it was his choice.

Seems to me ECB are desperate and some how convinced Stokes to play in the Ashes, even so, Stokes should man up and say he is not mentally fit to return.
 
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Except for Pope and possibly Crawley, I don't see any of the current English young batters having any future in Tests. Burns and Sibley are absolutely horrible/limited and will not be successful at the international level. They are struggling to score runs even at home. Hameed is an interesting one, looks assured but does not score big. England are going to struggle once Root goes.
 
The conditions are a factor too. England is not an easy place to bat.

Smith, SRT, Dravid, Shiv, G Smith, Waugh, MoYo, YK, Amla - They all averaged 50+ in Eng.

Yes, Eng has its challenges, but Eng is home conditions for English batsmen. When so many batsmen from other countries can average 50+ in Eng then few English batsmen should be able to do so in their home conditions.

Cook's case I can understand. It's harder for an opener to an average high in Eng. But not being able to average 50+ by any batsman?

I think Eng did not have good enough batsmen. That's the reason.
 
Smith, SRT, Dravid, Shiv, G Smith, Waugh, MoYo, YK, Amla - They all averaged 50+ in Eng.

Yes, Eng has its challenges, but Eng is home conditions for English batsmen. When so many batsmen from other countries can average 50+ in Eng then few English batsmen should be able to do so in their home conditions.

Cook's case I can understand. It's harder for an opener to an average high in Eng. But not being able to average 50+ by any batsman?

I think Eng did not have good enough batsmen. That's the reason.

Then how are bowlers averaging over 25 too? Anderson is considered ATG with 32 away average and overall average also of 26-27 only.

I actually feel the correct reasoning behind it is the number of tests they play. They play way too many tests and all vs top teams which makes it really hard to maintain an average of 50+ with bat or under 25 with bowl.

I can't say about Anderson but Root most definitely would have averaged 50+, had he played for some other teams. He is the greatest batsman that England have produced in last 50 years.

Cook was good too but given his inconsistency especially during the final years when he would go mising for 7-8 games in row and cover it up with a big hundred on dry flat wickets, I feel his stats of 46-47 average do justice to what he showed with bat.
 
I see some elements of hope based on whats happened today.
 
Most runs for England in Test cricket in 2021:

Root: 1,544 @ 64.33
Burns: 492 @ 28.94
Pope: 359 @ 23.93
Sibley: 356 @ 19.77
Lawrence: 354 @ 27.23
Bairstow: 351 @ 25.07
Buttler: 319 @ 29.00
Stokes: 222 @ 22.20
Malan: 194 @ 38.80
Hameed: 192 @ 27.42
Crawley: 156 @ 11.14
 
Most runs for England in Test cricket in 2021:

Root: 1,544 @ 64.33
Burns: 492 @ 28.94
Pope: 359 @ 23.93
Sibley: 356 @ 19.77
Lawrence: 354 @ 27.23
Bairstow: 351 @ 25.07
Buttler: 319 @ 29.00
Stokes: 222 @ 22.20
Malan: 194 @ 38.80
Hameed: 192 @ 27.42
Crawley: 156 @ 11.14

Those averages! Good lord.

No wonder England can’t buy a win in Test cricket at the moment. Disgraceful numbers.
 
Been a long time since England's batting was so weak and prone to collapses.

Root fails, England fail.
 
Probably England’s worst ever batting lineup. And that’s saying something.
 
49 Test ducks this year for England at the moment:

- 6 Burns
- 4 Lawrence, Sibley, Bairstow, Robinson, Anderson
- 3 Hameed, Broad, S Curran
- 2 Buttler, Crawley, Archer, Bracey
- 1 Root, Leach, Stone, Wood, Moeen, Bess
 
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Soon bat manufacturers might have to start paying English Test bats not to use their stickers.
 
Test ducks for England this year.

DM Bess v Sri Lanka Galle 14-Jan-21
DP Sibley v Sri Lanka Galle 22-Jan-21
DP Sibley v India Ahmedabad 24-Feb-21
DP Sibley v New Zealand Lord's 02-Jun-21
DP Sibley v India Lord's 12-Aug-21
DW Lawrence v India Chennai 05-Feb-21
DW Lawrence v New Zealand Lord's 02-Jun-21
DW Lawrence v New Zealand Birmingham 10-Jun-21
DW Lawrence v India Nottingham 04-Aug-21
H Hameed v India Lord's 12-Aug-21
H Hameed v India The Oval 02-Sep-21
H Hameed v Australia Adelaide 16-Dec-21
JC Archer v India Chennai 05-Feb-21
JC Archer v India Ahmedabad 24-Feb-21
JC Buttler v India Nottingham 04-Aug-21
JC Buttler v Australia Adelaide 16-Dec-21
JE Root v Australia Brisbane 08-Dec-21
JM Anderson v India Chennai 05-Feb-21
JM Anderson v India Ahmedabad 24-Feb-21
JM Anderson v India Lord's 12-Aug-21
JM Anderson v India Lord's 12-Aug-21
JM Bairstow v India Ahmedabad 24-Feb-21
JM Bairstow v India Ahmedabad 24-Feb-21
JM Bairstow v India Ahmedabad 04-Mar-21
JM Bairstow v India The Oval 02-Sep-21
JR Bracey v New Zealand Lord's 02-Jun-21
JR Bracey v New Zealand Birmingham 10-Jun-21
MA Wood v New Zealand Lord's 02-Jun-21
MJ Leach v India Chennai 13-Feb-21
MM Ali v India The Oval 02-Sep-21
OE Robinson v India Nottingham 04-Aug-21
OE Robinson v India Leeds 25-Aug-21
OE Robinson v Australia Brisbane 08-Dec-21
OE Robinson v Australia Adelaide 16-Dec-21
OP Stone v India Chennai 13-Feb-21
RJ Burns v India Chennai 05-Feb-21
RJ Burns v India Chennai 13-Feb-21
RJ Burns v New Zealand Birmingham 10-Jun-21
RJ Burns v India Nottingham 04-Aug-21
RJ Burns v India Lord's 12-Aug-21
RJ Burns v Australia Brisbane 08-Dec-21
SCJ Broad v India Chennai 13-Feb-21
SCJ Broad v New Zealand Birmingham 10-Jun-21
SCJ Broad v India Nottingham 04-Aug-21
SM Curran v Sri Lanka Galle 14-Jan-21
SM Curran v India Lord's 12-Aug-21
SM Curran v India Lord's 12-Aug-21
Z Crawley v India Ahmedabad 24-Feb-21
Z Crawley v New Zealand Birmingham 10-Jun-21
 
Too much emphasis on white ball cricket has led to the demise of test batsmen coming through the ranks.

In terms of bowling i don’t think Saqib Mahmood could do worse than the ageing England bowling attack.
 
Hameed needs to be persisted with. Atleast he can hold one end.

If you have an opener that is getting out cheaply like Rory Burns all the time, it puts pressure on Hameed.

Make Hameed bat with Mohammad Rizwan and then see the difference.
 
Hameed needs to be persisted with. Atleast he can hold one end.

If you have an opener that is getting out cheaply like Rory Burns all the time, it puts pressure on Hameed.

Make Hameed bat with Mohammad Rizwan and then see the difference.

Have you seen Hameed's domestic record?

If you make him play more tests he'll only rival Sadagopan Ramesh and Khurram Manzoor.

His top international score is still that 2nd innings 82 Kohli praised him for all those years ago.
 
Test ducks for England this year.

DM Bess v Sri Lanka Galle 14-Jan-21
DP Sibley v Sri Lanka Galle 22-Jan-21
DP Sibley v India Ahmedabad 24-Feb-21
DP Sibley v New Zealand Lord's 02-Jun-21
DP Sibley v India Lord's 12-Aug-21
DW Lawrence v India Chennai 05-Feb-21
DW Lawrence v New Zealand Lord's 02-Jun-21
DW Lawrence v New Zealand Birmingham 10-Jun-21
DW Lawrence v India Nottingham 04-Aug-21
H Hameed v India Lord's 12-Aug-21
H Hameed v India The Oval 02-Sep-21
H Hameed v Australia Adelaide 16-Dec-21
JC Archer v India Chennai 05-Feb-21
JC Archer v India Ahmedabad 24-Feb-21
JC Buttler v India Nottingham 04-Aug-21
JC Buttler v Australia Adelaide 16-Dec-21
JE Root v Australia Brisbane 08-Dec-21
JM Anderson v India Chennai 05-Feb-21
JM Anderson v India Ahmedabad 24-Feb-21
JM Anderson v India Lord's 12-Aug-21
JM Anderson v India Lord's 12-Aug-21
JM Bairstow v India Ahmedabad 24-Feb-21
JM Bairstow v India Ahmedabad 24-Feb-21
JM Bairstow v India Ahmedabad 04-Mar-21
JM Bairstow v India The Oval 02-Sep-21
JR Bracey v New Zealand Lord's 02-Jun-21
JR Bracey v New Zealand Birmingham 10-Jun-21
MA Wood v New Zealand Lord's 02-Jun-21
MJ Leach v India Chennai 13-Feb-21
MM Ali v India The Oval 02-Sep-21
OE Robinson v India Nottingham 04-Aug-21
OE Robinson v India Leeds 25-Aug-21
OE Robinson v Australia Brisbane 08-Dec-21
OE Robinson v Australia Adelaide 16-Dec-21
OP Stone v India Chennai 13-Feb-21
RJ Burns v India Chennai 05-Feb-21
RJ Burns v India Chennai 13-Feb-21
RJ Burns v New Zealand Birmingham 10-Jun-21
RJ Burns v India Nottingham 04-Aug-21
RJ Burns v India Lord's 12-Aug-21
RJ Burns v Australia Brisbane 08-Dec-21
SCJ Broad v India Chennai 13-Feb-21
SCJ Broad v New Zealand Birmingham 10-Jun-21
SCJ Broad v India Nottingham 04-Aug-21
SM Curran v Sri Lanka Galle 14-Jan-21
SM Curran v India Lord's 12-Aug-21
SM Curran v India Lord's 12-Aug-21
Z Crawley v India Ahmedabad 24-Feb-21
Z Crawley v New Zealand Birmingham 10-Jun-21

Quite a duck farm england have created this year.
 
Most runs for England in Test cricket in 2021:

Root: 1,544 @ 64.33
Burns: 492 @ 28.94
Pope: 359 @ 23.93
Sibley: 356 @ 19.77
Lawrence: 354 @ 27.23
Bairstow: 351 @ 25.07
Buttler: 319 @ 29.00
Stokes: 222 @ 22.20
Malan: 194 @ 38.80
Hameed: 192 @ 27.42
Crawley: 156 @ 11.14

On a par with bangladesh and zimbabwe.
 
This series has already gone. Total clearout and a hard reboot required in the new year.
 
Judge a team on its bench strength - England have the likes of Crawley as backup batters.

That must be worrying.
 
Judge a team on its bench strength - England have the likes of Crawley as backup batters.

That must be worrying.

tbf they haven't played many weak teams, they have played tougher teams, but yes they don't look like strong- but they are still better than us in tests
 
Pope has been their biggest disappointment. He always looks so good and yet barely play any important knock with bat.
 
tbf they haven't played many weak teams, they have played tougher teams, but yes they don't look like strong- but they are still better than us in tests

6 Tests, 3 in England and 3 in Pakistan, I'd fancy Pakistan to come out on top.
 
6 Tests, 3 in England and 3 in Pakistan, I'd fancy Pakistan to come out on top.

i wouldn't, we only have babar who can score runs, abid ali is showing not much more consistency than the English players, azar ali is poor, Rizwan hasn't done anything in tests, our spinning option isnt much better than England, and thr fast bowling option is still overall better than ours - we only have shaheen afridi
 
Root: 1,544 @ 64.33 test class world class


Burns: 492 @ 28.94 not intl level


Pope: 359 @ 23.93 jury is out

Sibley: 356 @ 19.77 not good enough

Lawrence: 354 @ 27.23 jury is out potential is there

Bairstow: 351 @ 25.07 not test level suited to white ball cricket

Buttler: 319 @ 29.00 again won't be consistent at test level a white ball specialist


Stokes: 222 @ 22.20 a white ball specialist, not a test match bowler as well


Malan: 194 @ 38.80 again a white ball specialist but has done well at test level but age isn't on his side


Hameed: 192 @ 27.42 not intl level


Crawley: 156 @ 11.14 has shown glimpses had but form dived jury is out whether he's good enough at test level.
 
185 all out after being inserted by Australia at the MCG, with poor shot selection contaminating the middle order.

Yet another abject performance — the England Test batting lineup is stuck in a rut.
 
Worst test line up in the world, even bangladesh and Zimbabwe look better. simply no application, fight or decent technical ability being show to perform in most conditions around the world.
 
Test players don't grow on trees, England need to back the younger players. The results have been poor with the experienced players, hopefully after abit of pain the performances and results will improve. England need to stick with the likes of :

Crawley
Hameed
Pope

As there's no alternatives.
 
Too early to say IMO, although I do have a slight worry about his long term future at the moment.

I'm a big believer in body language and attitude. Something missing from Stokes at the moment in this regard. He doesn't seem 'on it'.
 
In last five years England was focused on white ball cricket more than test cricket.They managed to build good T20 and ODI teams but their test team started regressing.The batting is very fragile.Root is the only top performer.Stokes is not performing as a bowler or batter.To be fair the conditions in Australia are not easy for batting.Australian quicks were bowling unplayed balls at MCG.Australian bowlers are not only quick they are tall so in seaming and bouncy wickets batting is not easy
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">54 ducks in Test cricket for England in 2021:<br><br>6 Burns<br>5 Robinson<br>4 Lawrence, Sibley, Bairstow, Hameed, Anderson<br>3 Broad and Sam Curran<br>2 Buttler, Crawley, Archer, Leach, Wood and Bracey<br>1 Root, Stone, Malan, Moeen and Bess<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1475729994198437890?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 28, 2021</a></blockquote>
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Pretty dire if this is the future of England batting!

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Jonny Bairstow, Ben Stokes and Mark Wood ensured England came back fighting on day three of the fourth Ashes Test - after the tourists had endured a quite dreadful start.

Having resumed on 13-0 at the Sydney Cricket Ground, they quickly collapsed to 36-4, as Haseeb Hameed (6), Zak Crawley (18), skipper Joe Root (0) and Dawid Malan (3) were sent packing.

Crawley, Root and Malan each fell amid a run of three wickets for no runs in 70 deliveries on a depressing morning for England. Another depressing morning for England in a series of depressing mornings for England.

Top-order woes have been par for the course and the stats are alarming.

Hameed, who was dropped by Australia wicketkeeper Alex Carey before he was bowled by Mitchell Starc, is averaging 10.14 in this series - a new low.

Never before has an England batter who has played at least seven innings in a series recorded a worse average than Hameed, who since scoring 25 and 27 in the series opener in Brisbane has gone on to make totals of six, nought, nought, seven and six.

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Hameed has been involved in each of England's seven opening partnerships in this series and his stand of 22 with Crawley in the first innings at Sydney was the longest of them - at only 9.2 overs!

England lost their first wicket to the first ball of the series in Brisbane - the now-axed Rory Burns bowled by Starc - and then in the ninth over in their second innings.

In Adelaide, Burns was banished in the third over in the first innings, before Hameed fell in the second over second time around. At the MCG, England were one down inside two and five overs respectively.

All that equates to England's average opening partnership lasting 4.1 overs and producing only 9.57 runs per wicket - that is the fourth-worst average for any opening partnership in a Test series (minimum of seven innings).

England's average would have been even worse if Starc had not overstepped on day two after having Crawley caught at slip before he could score a run, or had Hameed not been dropped early on day two by Carey.

Before Australia get too cocky, they have the second-worst, averaging only 8.50 for the opening partnership during the 2019 Ashes in England.

England's 70-ball run-less streak was not quite a record in their Test history, with the side having gone 79 balls against India in Chennai in 1964 and 77 balls against West Indies in 1950 without impacting the scoreboard.

The record for any team is owned by Australia, who went 154 successive scoreless deliveries, faced by Peter Nevill and Steve O'Keeffe, against Sri Lanka at Kandy in 2016.

Root was England's - and world Test cricket's - standout batter in 2021, amassing more runs than anyone else and 1,178 more than any of his team-mates as he totalled 1,708 runs.

However, he still has the unwanted personal record of never having scored a Test century in Australia and bagged his second duck of this series when he snicked Scott Boland behind in Sydney.

He is now up to five Ashes ducks as captain, matching the number bagged by the great Sir Donald Bradman.

Of course, England's batting woes are not limited to the top order with Jos Buttler's duck meaning he is now averaging 17.07 across his last eight Tests with a top-score of 39.

In better news for England, they managed to almost treble their tally of sixes across the first three Tests in just one afternoon.

England managed four maximums combined during the Brisbane, Adelaide and Melbourne Tests but hit seven alone in Sydney on day three, with Bairstow and Stokes finding the stands four times in the space of 36 minutes before Wood added three more later in the day.

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/n...-as-tourists-collapse-again-against-australia
 
England's opening partnerships this series:

0
23
7
4
4
7
22
 
England's opening partnerships this series:

0
23
7
4
4
7
22

England should retire the two opening spots from test cricket and request ICC that test matches only have 9 players batting ;)
 
I say bring in some T20 blood in this minnow batting line up.

Jason Roy, Liam Livingstone cant do any worse. At least there will be a positive intent.
 
Buttler Anderson Broad need to move on. We've tried the T20 specialists Roy in the last ashes in England, he was a walking wicket as well.
 
I say bring in some T20 blood in this minnow batting line up.

Jason Roy, Liam Livingstone cant do any worse. At least there will be a positive intent.

Roy has been tried already and was just as bad as current batsmen.
 
I say bring in some T20 blood in this minnow batting line up.

Jason Roy, Liam Livingstone cant do any worse. At least there will be a positive intent.

not Roy who was a hack in Tests.

Livingstone perhaps yes.
 
This surely is NOT the future that England want!

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Tom Harrison says the English game has a "brilliant opportunity" to "reset" red-ball cricket in the wake of the national team's Ashes defeat.

England were thumped in the first three Tests in Australia this winter as they lost the series after just 12 days of cricket.

Joe Root's side lost nine of their 15 Tests in total in 2021 and were dismissed for less than 200 on 13 occasions last year.

A focus on white-ball cricket helped England win the 2019 50-over World Cup on home soil but ECB chief executive Harrison says the time has come to redress the balance between the formats.

He said: "Our priority is Test cricket. We want to be successful at white-ball cricket, of course we do, but we absolutely need to be successful at Test cricket.

"It feels like this is a moment to reset the importance of red-ball cricket in our domestic schedule, for us to recalibrate how we play first-class cricket in the UK.

"It's a brilliant opportunity for us to come together as a game and really sort that once and for all. Sometimes the ability to effect change on something as complicated as our schedule is when you have a performance-related issue, and we have one now.

"This has been an exceptionally difficult tour. I don't think we can get away from the fact that it has been another very disappointing episode in our ongoing attempt to win the Ashes in Australia.

"We have really got to get to the bottom of this once and for all now and make sure the debate is answering the questions we are asking. We must not be afraid of some of these questions.

"Let's have the right balance of red and white ball, let's look at when we play red-ball cricket, the pitches we play on, the ball we use."

On England's packed international calendar, Harrison added: "We do have to look at the schedule - everyone knows that.

"The way we manage player workloads is clearly going to be a matter of premium concern as we go forward in 2022.

"Internationally, when we get out of the immediate aftermath in the wake of Covid, we've got to look at how we manage fixture workloads.

"This is something that the chief executives' committee at ICC need to tackle in the round. It is a difficult challenge for world cricket."

Harrison also suggested there was "a strong case" for greater cricket knowledge on the ECB board and offered full support to Root continuing as Test captain.

He was, however, less keen to engage on the subject of his own bonus scheme, with Harrison and other senior ECB executives due to split a pot reportedly in excess of £2m.

Asked if it was appropriate to accept the payment at a time when performances are under the microscope and finances are stretched by the pandemic, Harrison added: "That is a question about an employment contract.

"The board set the criteria on which we are judged and that's a matter for them."

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/n...er-ashes-thumping-says-ecb-chief-tom-harrison
 
Sam Billings at least is batting well on debut… none of the familiar mental scars and a compact, positive technique.

EDIT — cursed him on 29.
 
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Dan Lawrence having a good tour of the West Indies.

He is being trialled in the “dominant number four” role which has previously been occupied for England at different times by Root, Bell, and KP. (Root meanwhile has moved up one, to position 3.)

Lawrence on 71 not out thus far and playing with a high SR.
 
Dan Lawrence having a good tour of the West Indies.

He is being trialled in the “dominant number four” role which has previously been occupied for England at different times by Root, Bell, and KP. (Root meanwhile has moved up one, to position 3.)

Lawrence on 71 not out thus far and playing with a high SR.

Out for a sparkling 91. Dan’s best Test innings to date.

Shame that he did not get that maiden century, but a great knock to watch.
 
In his former role as a Sky Sports pundit, he was asked for his views on the England Test captaincy, the futures of Stuart Broad and James Anderson and how to fix an ailing red-ball team.

Now, speaking to the media for the first time since being appointed as men's managing director on Easter Sunday, Key was pressed for his thoughts on precisely the same topics.

The difference this time is that his answers carry greater heft. They used to generate debate, now they show how he hopes to shape English cricket's future, in the short-term at least.

He’s like a breath of fresh air. He’s not going to give you any kind of management speech or ECB speech, he’s just going to call it as he sees it.

"Nasser [Hussain], Athers [Michael Atherton] and myself would sit around and say, 'English cricket should do this, they should do that, that's rubbish, that's good'. We are all stubborn and think we're right.

"So, when the chance came, I thought, 'now I will have some skin in the game'. I have the chance to see what the solutions are and see if my views are any good. There is not much I know other than cricket. It's what I love and what I talk about all the time. This is a chance to make a difference.

"English cricket is in a state of flux, to say the least, and that's what intrigues me about the job. I hope to be able to make a difference and at some point we will find out whether that's good or bad."

The ECB are not trolls trying to make bad decisions, they are really good people who are trying like hell to make cricket as good as they can. I’m sure they don’t get everything right but none of us get everything right. In my experience, they are trying everything they can to drive the game forward.

Key has made Ben Stokes captain because the all-rounder "epitomises everything I think our red-ball team needs"; said Anderson and Broad still have "a big part to play" after being surprisingly dropped for March's series in the West Indies; and spoke of how England require batsmen with "conviction" if they are to rebound from a run of one win in 17 Test matches and regularly challenge the top teams in the world.

Key hopes the latter comes as part of a mindset shift in red-ball cricket as he looks to lead the Test team out of the doldrums in a similar way to how the white-ball outfit rallied from a dismal 2015 World Cup to become champions four years later.

He said: "For me, it's about changing the mentality of English red-ball cricket right throughout our system. That's the most important thing. We have to prove that county cricket can be a breeding ground for great international cricketers as it has been before. I see no reason why it can't.

"With the white-ball side, it was not about saying, 'we want to win the World Cup'. It was about changing the mentality, the type of cricketer you wanted, the way you wanted to play, what you stood for. That's why it has lasted longer than just winning that World Cup.

'I want people who want to drive England forward'

"It's not simple in red-ball cricket but I want batsmen who can put bowlers under pressure but also soak up that pressure and bat for long periods of time and make good decisions.

"Players who can adapt to pitches in Pakistan, who can play in India when the ball turns, who can play fast bowling well.

"Players who compete, who aren't timid, who stand up and are counted when they are under fire, exactly the way Ben Stokes does with a positive mentality. That doesn't mean playing shots but just having belief.

"I want people who back themselves all the way, not people who chop and change all the time because someone in the media might say they are batting with the wrong guard. I want people with conviction who want to drive England forward and be leaders.

"If you have that mentality right and your players can come in and perform to the top of their ability, you have a chance in everything."

Key is adamant the batting ability is there, despite England failing to pass 300 even once in the chastening 4-0 Ashes series defeat and being rolled for 120 by West Indies a month ago.

"There are good teams and we're way off them at the moment. But do I think we've got the talent to be able to compete with them? Absolutely.

"I am optimistic about English cricket, otherwise I wouldn't have taken this job. I think there are talented cricketers. People in there at the moment as well as people like Ollie Pope, Joe Clarke, Ben Duckett. But have we been getting the best out of them? Absolutely not.

"If you give me talented cricketers, it is my job to make them play as well as they possibly can, to appoint a coach who can do that, to create an environment that can do that. That's our duty - to make sure when players come in they can realise their talent."

Stokes will be at the helm for the new era but Key foresees former captain Joe Root playing a pivotal role, having done an "unbelievable job" of leading the side and churning out the runs during the height of the Covid-19 pandemic and all the problems that posed.

"Ben genuinely thinks he is the best person to lead England forward and I agree. He has a lot of compassion, a lot of empathy, and when you talk to him he is always thinking about the other people around him and what's best for the side. He does not have a massive ego.

"I text Joe when my position was announced and said it would be good to talk but understand if you want a break from it [after stepping down as captain].

"Within a minute, he rang me and we spoke for about an hour and a half about all the things we want to try and do to English cricket, how to move it forward.

"Finding out a bit more about the last two years, what Joe has done has been unbelievable. To play in a team that has been struggling and living through a pandemic, being captain and having to do so much and score the runs he has scored… it's one of the great sporting achievements.

"Still now he is talking about how he can help Stokes and what we need to do. He has passion and he is just so important to English cricket. He will have a massive hand to play.

"The last two years looks like it has been as tough as that team has had. They have played the best teams in the world over and over again, had tough conditions in India, and had this horrible pandemic

"Decisions haven't been about how to win games, they have been about 'can so and so have a cup of tea out of his room?' It's been b****y tough. Now we can move on, our focus can be on winning games of cricket.

"Players need to be managed but not so I can tell you who is or isn't going to play in six months. We have to be flexible and not overthink these things. For Test cricket at the moment, we want our best team.

"That's one thing we've got to do. It will be very obvious when there is a series where we want our absolute best out there and there might be a white-ball series where we can sacrifice a bit."

Key - who spoke with a refreshing absence of management spiel - will look to reappoint a national selector, with that role having been abolished last year and the responsibility of player selection placed principally onto then-head coach Chris Silverwood.

Silverwood was sacked after The Ashes and England are now seeking split red and white-ball coaches with Key "optimistic" the Test role will be filled ahead of the opening international of the summer, against reigning World Test Champions New Zealand at Lord's from June 2.

Key added: "My job is to appoint the best people we possibly can. If I do a good job with that, I can take a back seat and just make sure that they are living up to what they say.

"It's not for me to be telling England how to bat and bowl. My role is to find people aligned with the thinking and make sure they are delivering.

"You assume my cricket background is one of the reasons I have got the job and that is what this job is. It's a cricket job, for my money. Make the best cricket decisions you can."

Asked what sort of managing director he will prove to be, Key said: "I will be whatever I think is right for the good of the team, what's right for English cricket. That informs every decision you make."

Even if that means telling players they can't go to the IPL? "It's not a hard question to answer, it's my job."


https://www.skysports.com/cricket/n...-change-the-mentality-in-english-test-cricket
 
Interesting to see if middle order batsmen Josh Bohannon who is highly rated at Lancs gets an england call up at somepoint, hes scored heavily for lancs in last 1.5 seasons with the bat.
 
Harry Brook is having a brilliant season and has got to be in there.

Also not impossible that Dawid Malan gets another year or two, as he is still scoring heavily in domestic and would be a very experienced head in what is likely to be quite a young dressing room.
 
Harry Brook is having a brilliant season and has got to be in there.

Also not impossible that Dawid Malan gets another year or two, as he is still scoring heavily in domestic and would be a very experienced head in what is likely to be quite a young dressing room.

interesting to see if england have a coach and chairmen of selectors in place before June, if not then i guess Stokes would make a call on squad. I think its time to give some consistent county/lions players call ups if they have done well in last 2 years. They can do much worse then other flops.

England need to start picking best available 11s rather then worry about future series or future winter tours. 1 game at a time.
 
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