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What are the realistic options to solve the Palestine conflict?

What are practical solutions to solve the Israel-Palestine conflict?

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It's been a question which has dogged the region for the past 60 years, with no realistic end in sight.

The recent crisis shows that the status quo will continue to overwhelm the people living in Gaza and the West Bank, and eventually the state of Israel will annex the lot.

It's a bleak prognosis, as realistically the prospect of a sustainable peace deal seems to be off the table for now.

Nonetheless, what are the realistic options for the future?

1. Status quo - the preferred option for Israeli politicians as the population dynamics of the region will continue to evolve with more land annexed by the Jewish state

2. Two-state solution - the most popular option for Palestinians and supporters of the cause, however, the more time that passes the more difficult it becomes for Israel to offer an equitable land swap. Critically, there has never been any political will from the Israelis, PLO, and the international community to thresh out a realistic two-state deal. Is it too late to salvage the option?

3. Three-state solution - An extension of the two-state proposition with independent states of Israel, West Bank, and Gaza, given that Gaza has no official diplomatic recognition and there is a growing divide between the political leadership of Fatah and Hamas.

4. One-state solution - Equal rights for all inhabitants of the region, a political non-starter in Israel so fairly unrealistic.

5. International trusteeship over Palestine - Perhaps a solution akin to the division of Berlin after the Second World War, with international administration over the state of Palestine. This can only be an interim solution though as there can't be any permanence in such an administration.

Or are there any other possibilities?
 
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Both need to give up on religion and live like human beings. The real reason for the conflict is that both sides do not consider each other as human beings who have feelings and families. The hatred for each other has nipped out whatever humanity is left in them.
 
Both need to give up on religion and live like human beings. The real reason for the conflict is that both sides do not consider each other as human beings who have feelings and families. The hatred for each other has nipped out whatever humanity is left in them.

It's an ethnic issue, involving Christian/Arab/Armenians and Israeli Jews
 
Two state solution. They need to learn to co-exist peacefully. Palestine is in a lose-lose situation at the moment. The only thing they can do is either ask for independence or have the Gaza Strip and West Bank. A lot of Palestinians are already living outside Palestine so it’s not gonna be that much of a problem. Hamas and PLO are no innocents themselves, they have killed a lot of people and hijacked planes too.
 
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The unfortunate fact for the Palestinians is that might makes right. Israel is a highly advanced economy with a first class military. Moreover it is supported by America which is the richest and most powerful country that ever existed.
Time to forget about dictating anything to anyone and accept whatever the ones with power are willing to dole out to you.
 
It should be very clear that Jews and Muslims cannot live in peace with each other. Separate the populations, each gets their own country, and hope they focus their energies on development rather than trying to beat up the other.

Jerusalem was Jewish about 2,500+ years ago. The Jews were driven out by force. They have returned with force. Give them Jerusalem, it is their holiest site.
 
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People talk about two-state solutions but it is too late. There are half a million Israeli settlers on the West Bank. Will they leave, or submit to Palestine rule? No, they will not.
 
People talk about two-state solutions but it is too late. There are half a million Israeli settlers on the West Bank. Will they leave, or submit to Palestine rule? No, they will not.

Obviously it is going to take a lot of hard work and difficult decisions. But it is the only way.

Not only the Jews in the West Bank, but also separate the Arab Muslims in Israel from the Jewish Israelis. Distribute the current Israeli land in proportion to the population.

If this is not done then the Muslims and the Jews will keep fighting till one of them destroys the other.
 
It should be very clear that Jews and Muslims cannot live in peace with each other. Separate the populations, each gets their own country, and hope they focus their energies on development rather than trying to beat up the other.

Jerusalem was Jewish about 2,500+ years ago. The Jews were driven out by force. They have returned with force. Give them Jerusalem, it is their holiest site.

Educate yourself please This isnt a jewish vs muslim issue Its an occupier vs the occupied

On one side you have the zionists and the other palestinians which include palestinians christians muslims and other sects and religions

A lot of jews around the world dont agree with the occupation and methods of the zionists

Yes the only way is a two way split back to 1967 borders which every day is increasingly unlikely

But you know its a ridiculous preposterous suggestion that they should have land based on something which may or may not have happened 2500 years ago Absolutely scandalous argument Thats zionism right there
 
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Both need to give up on religion and live like human beings. The real reason for the conflict is that both sides do not consider each other as human beings who have feelings and families. The hatred for each other has nipped out whatever humanity is left in them.

It should be very clear that Jews and Muslims cannot live in peace with each other. Separate the populations, each gets their own country, and hope they focus their energies on development rather than trying to beat up the other.

Jerusalem was Jewish about 2,500+ years ago. The Jews were driven out by force. They have returned with force. Give them Jerusalem, it is their holiest site.

To make it easier for indians to understand that this isn't just about religion or "coexisting" : Think of the Palestinians as the Natives of America and Australia and think of the Israelis as European settler-colonialists, - now how can occupied nation submit to the colonizer? There's a reason why India initially supported Palestine for most of it's history.
 
People talk about two-state solutions but it is too late. There are half a million Israeli settlers on the West Bank. Will they leave, or submit to Palestine rule? No, they will not.

If you're speaking in support of Netanyahu's expansion in the west bank and that there's no other way then you understand what the alternative is for Palestinians
 
It should be very clear that Jews and Muslims cannot live in peace with each other. Separate the populations, each gets their own country, and hope they focus their energies on development rather than trying to beat up the other.

Jerusalem was Jewish about 2,500+ years ago. The Jews were driven out by force. They have returned with force. Give them Jerusalem, it is their holiest site.

Lol what a surprise, and indian giving away Jerusalem to jews.

Jerusalem is not only holy for jews, it was the first prayer direction for muslims as well. And the Islamic history is more complex than what you think.

According to Islam Prophets Abraham, David, Solomon and Moses (peace be upon all of them) were all messangers of Allah, so you can not exclude them from Islam. So for muslims their history matter.

And according to sound Islamic tradition all these Prophets (pbut) were standing behind Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the prayer carried out in Jerusalem during the night of Isra and Mi'raaj.

Anyways, the Jerusalem will be in Muslim hands in the end, no matter what is happening today :)
 
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The Palestinians should take a leaf out of the Jews book circa 1940.

Against the odds, the Jews decided to become highly educated, emigrated to foreign lands and were and are among the elite power circles there.

Not even asking the Palestinians to produce the next Albert Einstein. Just make sure the lucky few who escape don't become lowly economic immigrants, and proceed to become doctors/lawyers/teachers/engineers. Also - they should emigrate to the West or to China who could be the superpower of this century. Not the neighbouring Arab countries.

Come to think of it - can even the devoted ones here name a single Palestinian? Exactly.
 
If you're speaking in support of Netanyahu's expansion in the west bank and that there's no other way then you understand what the alternative is for Palestinians

No I emphatically am not. Settlement of occupied territories is a breach of the Fourth Geneva Protocol.

But now they are there, they won’t leave.
 
It's been a question which has dogged the region for the past 60 years, with no realistic end in sight.

The recent crisis shows that the status quo will continue to overwhelm the people living in Gaza and the West Bank, and eventually the state of Israel will annex the lot.

It's a bleak prognosis, as realistically the prospect of a sustainable peace deal seems to be off the table for now.

Nonetheless, what are the realistic options for the future?

1. Status quo - the preferred option for Israeli politicians as the population dynamics of the region will continue to evolve with more land annexed by the Jewish state

2. Two-state solution - the most popular option for Palestinians and supporters of the cause, however, the more time that passes the more difficult it becomes for Israel to offer an equitable land swap. Critically, there has never been any political will from the Israelis, PLO, and the international community to thresh out a realistic two-state deal. Is it too late to salvage the option?

3. Three-state solution - An extension of the two-state proposition with independent states of Israel, West Bank, and Gaza, given that Gaza has no official diplomatic recognition and there is a growing divide between the political leadership of Fatah and Hamas.

4. One-state solution - Equal rights for all inhabitants of the region, a political non-starter in Israel so fairly unrealistic.

5. International trusteeship over Palestine - Perhaps a solution akin to the division of Berlin after the Second World War, with international administration over the state of Palestine. This can only be an interim solution though as there can't be any permanence in such an administration.

Or are there any other possibilities?

IMO,
“There could be 10’s of solutions, be them realistic or not, but it doesn’t matter.

The Zionists will not comply or commit to any as they are hell bent to grab all the land. And this is it!

Their entire goal is remove all Palestinian population to wherever and remove the word “Palestine” from the map.

So every single solution and this Jazz of “two state” is a boring tune to them.”
 
Educate yourself please This isnt a jewish vs muslim issue Its an occupier vs the occupied

On one side you have the zionists and the other palestinians which include palestinians christians muslims and other sects and religions

The land has been successively been occupied by Romans, Arabs, Ottomans etc. If you dismiss history as "Absolutely scandalous argument" that is your choice, but it won't make any difference on the ground.

Obviously you are going to dismiss history whereas the Jews won't. Dismissing the others' views means that the ones with the bigger guns will prevail.

You can use whatever labels you wish, call them Jews and Muslims or alternatively Zionists and Palestinians, the answer I gave remains true.

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Lol what a surprise, and indian giving away Jerusalem to jews.

Difference between an opinion and an action.

Jerusalem is not only holy for jews, it was the first prayer direction for muslims as well. And the Islamic history is more complex than what you think.

I know my Islamic history. Jerusalem is the third holiest site for Muslims after Mecca and Medina, whereas it is the holiest site for Jews.

According to Islam Prophets Abraham, David, Solomon and Moses (peace be upon all of them) were all messangers of Allah, so you can not exclude them from Islam. So for muslims their history matter.

I never said Jerusalem doesn't matter to Muslims. Lots of sites in Pakistan and Afghanistan are very holy to Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs. However, if Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs want those sites back, the only option is war, which they are not inclined to pursue having accepted that those sites have been lost.

Muslims can get Palestine "back" from the Jews, but they will have to defeat them in war. If they don't accept that Jerusalem has been lost, they will keep fighting till one of them is destroyed.

And according to sound Islamic tradition all these Prophets (pbut) were standing behind Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the prayer carried out in Jerusalem during the night of Isra and Mi'raaj.

Anyways, the Jerusalem will be in Muslim hands in the end, no matter what is happening today :)

Don't be influenced too much by recent history. The Jews have recovered 78% of Palestine in 75 years. No one knows what the situation will be a 100, 200 or a 1,000 years from now.

This thread is not going anywhere for me, I am out of here :)
 
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Muslims and Jews cannot co-exist especially in Palestine or Israel so the best option is two-state solution. Ideal situation would have been one-state solution where people live together in harmony but unfortunately, religion is a very strong force in that whole region.
 
Hamas, Islamic Jihad react to Biden’s call for de-escalation
In response to Biden’s de-escalation call, Hamas spokesman Hazem Qassam said those who sought to restore calm must “compel Israel to end its aggression in Jerusalem and its bombardment of Gaza”.

Once that happened, Qassam said, “there can be room to talk about arrangements to restore calm”.

The leader of Islamic Jihad, another Gaza group, said political talks “remain at a standstill”.

“The only path towards freedom (is) to protect Jerusalem and people,” said Islamic Jihad chief Ziad Al-Nakhala.
 
Hamas, Islamic Jihad react to Biden’s call for de-escalation
In response to Biden’s de-escalation call, Hamas spokesman Hazem Qassam said those who sought to restore calm must “compel Israel to end its aggression in Jerusalem and its bombardment of Gaza”.

Once that happened, Qassam said, “there can be room to talk about arrangements to restore calm”.

The leader of Islamic Jihad, another Gaza group, said political talks “remain at a standstill”.

“The only path towards freedom (is) to protect Jerusalem and people,” said Islamic Jihad chief Ziad Al-Nakhala.

Only america would give one side billion of dollars of hi tec military equipment and then ask the other who are getting pummeled to death to de escalate

How do these guys keep a straight face
 
Why do so many people think this is a religious thing still, considering Israel blew up a Christian girls school yesterday too.

This has nothing to do with theology anymore. It's the fact that no amount of land is good enough for the colonizers. They need the Jordan Valley now too. They keep encroaching and building and expelling.

They just can't figure out a way to do it all at once while the world is watching. So it happens gradually. Free land that can be taken by force has the best profit margin and that's how a colonizer thinks.

Jews are very successful and brilliant people, I have nothing against Jews. But unlike some folks on this forum, I won't let my admiration of them justify a free pass on human rights violation by this Israeli state.
 
Why do so many people think this is a religious thing still, considering Israel blew up a Christian girls school yesterday too.

This has nothing to do with theology anymore. It's the fact that no amount of land is good enough for the colonizers. They need the Jordan Valley now too. They keep encroaching and building and expelling.

They just can't figure out a way to do it all at once while the world is watching. So it happens gradually. Free land that can be taken by force has the best profit margin and that's how a colonizer thinks.

Jews are very successful and brilliant people, I have nothing against Jews. But unlike some folks on this forum, I won't let my admiration of them justify a free pass on human rights violation by this Israeli state.

It's amazing how many barely Jewish people there are there .. loads obviously from Russia but places like Georgia too.
 
I am getting lots of messages from my Israeli friends," a Palestinian citizen of Israel said over Signal. Presumably because she thought Shin Bet could not monitor the call. "They tell me not to worry. Things will soon be back to normal.

'For the first time in my life I see something that has been dormant for decades, stirring, coming alive'

- Palestinian citizen of Israel

"I think to myself: "the normal for you is to go back to the beaches. The normal for us is to go back to our cages. What is normal like for a Palestinian in Gaza, the West Bank, and Jaffa? To smile as we serve you falafel and humus, to laugh as we sell you our vegetables or repair your cars cheaper than you would do at home, or to labour on your construction sites?

"We are scared at the bloodshed that could take place. But we are happy. For the first time in my life I see something that has been dormant for decades, stirring, coming alive.

"I see a new generation stepping up. They are younger than me. They take orders from no-one and they are rising. I am ****ing happy not to consider myself an "Israeli Arab". I am Palestinian, and for the first time in my life I can see light at the end of our long tunnel."

Fuelling the resistance
The speaker has an Israeli passport, a good job, a flat - actually a house which was once appropriated from a Palestinian family in Jerusalem. She travels regularly to Europe. Her Hebrew is perfect, better than many Jewish immigrants. In fact, she is often mistaken for a Jew.

Hers is only one, in a cacophony of voices, and I do not select it because it suits the way I think. But as each day passes, the sentiments she has expressed, and that of other Palestinians like her who do not say it out loud, will do more to determine the future of this conflict than any contorted statement by US President Joe Biden or his Secretary of State Antony Blinken.

In fact, every apartment block Israeli jets demolish in Gaza, every family evicted from their home, every house given by the courts to a Jewish settler, now becomes an act of war. It will not produce defeat or resignation. It will fuel the fire of resistance.

The Israeli Zionist left prefers to see the status quo upended by "extremists on both sides" putting Jewish settlers and Hamas in the same bracket. The status quo, if you follow the logic of the speaker quoted above, is extremist and only benefits one side in this extremely unequal struggle .

Nine days have changed the conflict in a way most people outside the mixed cities of Haifa, Lod, Ramle, Acre and occupied East Jerusalem have yet to realise.

The realities of the relationship between Israelis and Palestinians that nine days ago appeared set in concrete - all 25-foot high and stretching for over 400 miles - have tumbled down with a speed that no one (least of all the speaker quoted above) could have predicted.

For decades, the strategy of Israel, under a left or right-wing government, was divide and rule.

Palestinians lived separate lives in enclaves under different regimes, enjoying different privileges: Gaza as an enemy state under siege with just enough calories and electricity to survive; the occupied West Bank under the nominal rule of an unelected Palestinian leadership; Palestinians in Jerusalem, who have residency permits; Palestinian citizens of Israel who have passports. The Palestinians in the diaspora do not appear to exist, according to Israel.

This struggle has been characterised by long periods of quiet and submission. Each time this happens, Israel mistakes quiet for acquiescence

Each had different issues. For Gaza, it was electricity, water, and concrete. For the West Bank, it was salaries and jobs. For Jerusalem it was houses; for Palestinian citizens of Israel, it was equality and policing. But each was dependent on Israel, to open and close gates in the wall, to have access to tax income, or medical care. The security apparatus of the Palestinian Authority (PA) was designed and trained as an extension of Israel’s security.

This way, Palestinians were kept on a leash providing the cheapest ever occupation for Israel.

Separation became so dominant that, for years, it was internalised by the Palestinians. They had difficulty thinking that it could be otherwise. When fighting erupted between Israel and Gaza in 2009, 2012, 2014, Palestinians in the West Bank were, mostly, passive spectators. Cars were not burnt in Lod. There was no general strike. The residents of areas threatened with eviction like Sheikh Jarrah fought their own lonely, local battles for decades.

For nine days, unity has been coursing through Palestinian veins. It was caught live on Al Jazeera, which at one point a week ago carried split screen of scenes at the Damascus Gate where Palestinians were arriving to enter the old city, and at the Hebron Gate, where Jewish settlers were arriving with Israeli flags.

At first, I did not realise what I was seeing. A rocket from Gaza flew overhead. The settlers fled in panic. The Palestinians stayed where they were, waving and cheering. Palestinians in Jerusalem had called for Gaza to intervene and chanted for Mohammed ad-Deif, the head of al-Qassam Brigades, to come to their support.

The unpalatable truth
The Israeli security establishment said this was because the organisers of the al-Aqsa protest were members of Hamas.

The Palestinian leaders are past masters at shedding their political skins and slithering back to the opposite camp. But they are not the drivers of this movement. They are being driven by it

They gave the militant group too much credit. It was not just Hamas members chanting "Mohamed ad-Deif". It was a new generation of Palestinians in search of their Saladin. The unpalatable truth is that Hamas does not appear to have made a mistake by firing those missiles at Jerusalem when Israel refused to withdraw from the al-Aqsa complex.

By firing missiles not in defence of Gaza, but of al-Aqsa, Hamas pushed the conflict past a tipping point, triggering the revolt among the Palestinians of 1948 and the West Bank too. Had rockets not been fired, the situation could have returned to calm, after the end of Ramadan, and that is what the Israeli media were expecting. After Ramadan, Israeli authorities could have resumed their evictions of the Palestinian residents of Sheikh Jarrah in particular and Palestinian residents of Jerusalem in general.

As a consequence, the events that followed have created a broad Palestinian front, a phenomenon not seen since 1948.

A revolt of these dimensions has not come out of the blue. It has been decades in the making. It has come precisely at the time when the Israeli right boasted that the conflict was over. They said so openly in the US media and at the UN. On Monday, Fatah flags were seen to be flying alongside Hamas flags in protests in Nablus and it is a long time, too, since that was seen. Fatah has to be seen to be responding to the prevailing mood.

Similar unity was expressed at the start of the Second Intifada, but as soon as Yasser Arafat was dealt with, Fatah returned to security cooperation with its paymasters in Israel. It is telling that a general strike was first called by the leadership of the 1948 Palestinians, to be endorsed by Palestinians in the West Bank. This led to the biggest general strike since 1936.

There are grounds to be sceptical about this newfound unity. The Palestinian leaders are past masters at shedding their political skins and slithering back to the opposite camp. But they are not the drivers of this movement. They are being driven by it.

Palestinians and Arabs
The second major strategy to have been dented, if not undermined, in the last nine days was the sustained attempt to separate Palestinians from their Arab backers. This culminated in the Abraham Accords in Washington last year, but had started with Egypt’s and Jordan’s peace treaties with Israel.

Just a few short weeks ago, it looked as if Saudi Arabia would come on board, to be followed shortly afterwards by Oman and Qatar. Within a matter of months, the boycott of Israel by the major GCC powers would have been reversed, the Arab Peace Initiative (the last major offer to settle this conflict) would have been over, and the Palestinians would have effectively become a migrant workforce without a state, relegated to the status of the Kurds.

While this scenario has not disappeared, and while the Saudi and Emirati influencers and bots are still pumping out Israel’s narrative, this strategy is being overwhelmed by mass demonstrations of protesters in Jordan trying to cross the border with Israel; incursions too, from southern Lebanon into Israel; and Egypt being forced to open its border at Rafah and take in wounded Palestinians in Gaza.

President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi is no fan of Hamas or the Muslim Brotherhood. He destroyed a whole city, the Egyptian side of Rafah, and forcibly removed its inhabitants so that tunnels running under the border could be flooded and destroyed.

If any Arab leader has enforced the siege of Gaza more zealously than the Israelis, it has been Sisi. And yet he has been forced now to open the border he spent so much energy in shutting. Of course, political messages are being sent. After the unpleasant shock of a Saudi-sponsored attempt at a palace coup, Jordan’s King Abdullah is no doubt using the turmoil to remind Netanyahu that Israel has its longest and most vulnerable border with Jordan.

Protesters chant slogans and wave Palestinian flags as they gather for a demonstration in solidarity with the Palestinian people near the Israeli embassy in Jordan's capital Amman on May 11, 2021.
Protesters chant slogans and wave Palestinian flags as they gather for a demonstration in solidarity with the Palestinian people near Israel's embassy in Jordan's capital Amman on 11 May 2021 (AFP)
Little happens in the kingdom without the permission of the Jordanian mukhabarat, and particularly not in the sensitive border area, so the pictures of crowds of Jordanians marching on the Israeli border would not have happened without state license. It is telling how eastern Jordanians were in the forefront of this protest. This is another sign that the divisions, which kept the status quo in place, are dissolving.

The exact identity of the group responsible for launching missiles from southern Lebanon at Israel has yet to be determined and verified. So far, it suits Hezbollah to license missile launches rather than launch its own much deadlier rocket arsenal at Israel.

Palestinian diaspora

The third plank of the status quo was to isolate Palestinians worldwide. A whole ministry, the Ministry of Strategic Affairs, was created by Israel to combat BDS, delegitimisation, and deal with Western politicians who would not play ball with their narrative.

Irrespective of the now ritual statements of support from the political elite, the feeling of popular outrage over and support for Gaza is overwhelming

The ministry succeeded in its tactical battle to conflate opposition to Zionism, and opposition to Israel, with antisemitism. It succeeded in bullying and terrifying a generation of politicians on both sides of the Atlantic, making the former Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn an object lesson of what happens to a politician when he refuses to play ball.

But these were tactical victories, not strategic ones. Irrespective of the now ritual statements of support from the political elite, the feeling of popular outrage over and support for Gaza is overwhelming. Large demonstrations took place in London, New York, Berlin and Paris.

Israel has lost a battle that is being played out on unfamiliar territory: Tiktok and Instagram. The IDF social media accounts are a joke.

When Paris Hilton retweeted Middle East Eye’s interview with a 10-year-old girl in Gaza expressing in fluent English her incomprehension at the bombing: "I am just ten. Why do we deserve this?", her anguished plea of pain went around the world several times.

The Israeli army is a past master at manipulating the truth. It hoodwinks the mainstream western media into believing a ground incursion into Gaza had started (to flush out Hamas fighters entering their tunnels). Its air force may bomb the building housing AP and Al Jazeera.

But the conflict of the last nine days was not played out in the mainstream media, which was slow to start and reluctant to report it all the way along. It was fought on social media and Israel can not prevent videos of anguished Gazan children from spreading like wildfire over social media. Furthermore Palestinians can now express themselves in good English.

Hilton deleted her tweet. Bella Hadid did not delete hers. Irrespective of the pressure on A-listers to conform to the status quo, the damage has been done.

A new dawn

It will be for history to judge whether the events we are witnessing turn into a full intifada, or an al-Quds or Jerusalem intifada. The debate now among Palestinians is how a third intifada could continue after the ceasefire which will inevitably happen in the next few days.

But let’s say an exhausted quiet descends on the region after a ceasefire is negotiated between Israel and Hamas. Will everything go back to normal?

I doubt it. The contours of the new struggle have already been determined. It has Jerusalem at its geographical centre, and Palestinian citizens of Israel as its foot soldiers.

They will be backed by a generation with nothing to lose. They have no leaders, no state, no Arab countries backing them, no rights, no arms, and no hope of getting any of them. Having deprived them of their own state, and declared in the Nation-State Law that the state of Israel is the expression of self-determination for its Jewish citizens only, a revolt can not come as a surprise.

The power-drunk lords of the land have left this generation of Palestinians with few viable alternatives. This struggle has been characterised by long periods of quiet and submission. Each time this happens, Israel mistakes quiet for acquiescence. It deludes itself into thinking the conflict is over.

But each time a new leadership emerges from the bottom up. This is how Yasser Arafat came to the fore. This is happening again and the world should wake up to it.

The views expressed in this article belong to the author and do not necessarily reflect the editorial policy of Middle East Eye.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-palestine-conflict-nine-days-changed
 
Confederation.

Israel settlers in the West Bank can be Palestinian residents but retain Israeli citizenship, Palestinians in Israel can be Israeli residents but retain Palestinian citizenship. Each community would only vote for their respective assemblies.

Jerusalem as a common capital.

Security cooperation can continue as it does now, ensuring free movement of goods and people between the River and Sea.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/06/29/an-israeli-palestinian-confederation-can-work/
 
Confederation.

Israel settlers in the West Bank can be Palestinian residents but retain Israeli citizenship, Palestinians in Israel can be Israeli residents but retain Palestinian citizenship. Each community would only vote for their respective assemblies.

Jerusalem as a common capital.

Security cooperation can continue as it does now, ensuring free movement of goods and people between the River and Sea.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/06/29/an-israeli-palestinian-confederation-can-work/

Sound a fair enough solution.

Just one problem....Israelis believe its their God given right to take every inch of the land. Until these brainwashed fools become aware they will never accept anything else.
 
Sound a fair enough solution.

Just one problem....Israelis believe its their God given right to take every inch of the land. Until these brainwashed fools become aware they will never accept anything else.

Add to that, the money and effort Israeli state has put into the illegal settlements in the West bank. They would never cede it to Palestine even if the Israeli citizens could stay.

I was shocked when I saw a video of how developed they are. They are not tents, or shacks as the word "illegal settlements" implies. These are planned, developed and modern suburban cities with retirees from Paris and new york. It looked like an Arizona country club. Of course they were oblivious to the Palestinians living in villages right next to them caged away with their land stolen.
 
Add to that, the money and effort Israeli state has put into the illegal settlements in the West bank. They would never cede it to Palestine even if the Israeli citizens could stay.

I was shocked when I saw a video of how developed they are. They are not tents, or shacks as the word "illegal settlements" implies. These are planned, developed and modern suburban cities with retirees from Paris and new york. It looked like an Arizona country club. Of course they were oblivious to the Palestinians living in villages right next to them caged away with their land stolen.

Yes they are permanent settlements for them. They wouldnt build such settlements and roads just for settlers knowing in the future these will land into the hands of the Palestinians.

The other main reason of course if they are backed by the most powerful nations, so feel they have nothing to lose. If the worlds powers who support them(nearly as bad as them) stopped their support & the resistance had the means as Hezbollah did, it might make them think twice. But the religious extremism has taken them too far to turn back now.
 
US President Joe Biden has said a two-state solution is the only answer to resolving the conflict between Israel and the Palestinian people.

Speaking at a White House news conference, Mr Biden said that he was praying that the current ceasefire between Israel and Hamas would hold.

The US administration worked in the background, along with Egypt, to secure an end to the conflict which lasted 11 days.

Some 248 Palestinians - including 66 children - died, while 12 people in Israel died.

The ceasefire came into effect at 2am local time - 12am UK time - on Friday.

Mr Biden has said that the US will work with the internationally recognised Palestinian Authority, and not Hamas, in order to provide humanitarian aid to Gaza.

Since the ceasefire, the United Nations has sent 13 trucks with food, COVID vaccines and other medical supplies into Gaza, with $18.6m (£13.1m) in emergency humanitarian aid allocated to the region.

The US has said it will also help Israel replenish its supply of interceptor missiles.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has threatened a "new level of force" if Hamas launches any attacks following the ceasefire.

"If Hamas thinks we will tolerate a drizzle of rockets, it is wrong," he warned.

Mr Biden, speaking at the White House, added: "Let's get something straight here: until the region says unequivocally they acknowledge the right of Israel to exist as an independent Jewish state, there will be no peace.

"I'm praying this ceasefire will hold. I take Bibi [Benjamin] Netanyahu - when he gives me his word - I take him at his word. He's never broken his word to me."

The ceasefire faced its first test on Friday afternoon, when tens of thousands of Palestinians attended Friday Prayers at Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem - where tensions first began.

Some threw stones at Israeli police, who fired stun grenades and tear gas in return, in an echo of the scenes that triggered the 11-day conflict.

Twenty Palestinians were arrested at the gates, although it is unclear what started the clashes at the mosque compound - a holy site for both Muslims and Jews - who refer to it as the Temple Mount.

An Israeli Police foreign spokesman claimed "hundreds of people threw rocks and petrol bombs at police officers", saying Israeli forces "dispersed rioters".

There were similar clashes in the West Bank.

Sky News correspondent Mark Stone, who is in the region, said the elusive two-state solution was as far away as ever but that both sides were likely to gain politically.

Following the end of the conflict, people in Gaza who were sheltering in UN schools have since left the facilities.

From a peak of 66,000 people crammed into the shelters, fewer than 1,000 remain, according to a UN spokesperson.

Rescue workers have been recovering bodies, including one of a three-year-old girl, according to the Red Crescent emergency services.

The 11 days of fighting in Israel, Gaza and the West Bank were the worst seen in the region since 2014.

Hamas and other militant groups fired more than 4,000 rockets at Israeli cities, with Israel conducting hundreds of airstrikes.

SKY
 
A realistic solution is the division of Israel into two parts, similar to Pakistan and India.
 
So heart wrenching to see what is happening in Palestine, the attack on a gaza school this morning resulted in martyrdom of more than 100 individuals including children.

Certainly the world has gone numb over it including Muslim rulers not majority of people. The inaction of UN and stupid backing of US is destroying the world. Certainly these atrocities will one day cause the end of apartheid regime for good.
 
So heart wrenching to see what is happening in Palestine, the attack on a gaza school this morning resulted in martyrdom of more than 100 individuals including children.

Certainly the world has gone numb over it including Muslim rulers not majority of people. The inaction of UN and stupid backing of US is destroying the world. Certainly these atrocities will one day cause the end of apartheid regime for good.


50 muslim nations in the world and they cannot accommodate the Palestinians in their countries.

1 Jewish state and that’s all they want.
 
50 muslim nations in the world and they cannot accommodate the Palestinians in their countries.

1 Jewish state and that’s all they want.
So stupid logic evict someone from his home and then made this excuse. Will India accommodate all the BD Hindus if BD turns into Gaza for them. The answer is No.
 
So stupid logic evict someone from his home and then made this excuse. Will India accommodate all the BD Hindus if BD turns into Gaza for them. The answer is No.

The answer is yes.
We want to send the Muslims to Bangladesh and get the Hindus back.
 
The answer is yes.
We want to send the Muslims to Bangladesh and get the Hindus back.
OK then India must proceed ahead, because at the moment they are not even willing to let any BD Hindus in India due to border closures.

Also BD apparently won't have any issue with that too.
 
OK then India must proceed ahead, because at the moment they are not even willing to let any BD Hindus in India due to border closures.

Also BD apparently won't have any issue with that too.

We are brining the CAA law after which we will soon proceed with population swap on religion basis to legally bring back the Hindus in return for the muslims.

These things happen with proper laws and systems in place and work has already started on this.
 
We are brining the CAA law after which we will soon proceed with population swap on religion basis to legally bring back the Hindus in return for the muslims.

These things happen with proper laws and systems in place and work has already started on this.
It just pertains to 2014 entries so no current victims would get any relief
 
It just pertains to 2014 entries so no current victims would get any relief

Like i said, we have already taken steps to have a system in place for the return of Hindus to their homeland.

What have the 50 Muslim countries done Palestinians apart from fake crocodile tears
 
There is no turning back for both Israel and Palestine. A few months ago, I wanted ceasefire and peace talks to resume.
The issue has dragged on too much. Even if there is ceasefire, there is too much bad blood between both nations.

Go all in and winner takes the spoils. Back to medieval times.
 
Like i said, we have already taken steps to have a system in place for the return of Hindus to their homeland.

What have the 50 Muslim countries done Palestinians apart from fake crocodile tears
Christian west has taken refugees from Middle East wars while Arabs were enjoying their kebabs and turned a blind eye.
 
So stupid logic evict someone from his home and then made this excuse. Will India accommodate all the BD Hindus if BD turns into Gaza for them. The answer is No.
Hope you know the history. 2 state option rejected by muslims in 1947. Went to war and "LOST" the war. Lost again in 1961 to israel and the territories. So they went to war and lost the war and now want "everything " " all the land" back. Not happening. They have to work out a 2 state option and forget about reclaiming everything. If they want everything- they have to fo for a full on war which they will lose again and probably lose even more territory. Has to be some compromises.
 
Hope you know the history. 2 state option rejected by muslims in 1947. Went to war and "LOST" the war. Lost again in 1961 to israel and the territories. So they went to war and lost the war and now want "everything " " all the land" back. Not happening. They have to work out a 2 state option and forget about reclaiming everything. If they want everything- they have to fo for a full on war which they will lose again and probably lose even more territory. Has to be some compromises.
Any country in that situation would have done the same, didn't Indians (Muslims and Hindus) fought war with British in 1700 and 1800s because of their occupation. Don't know if you are really trying to justify their occupation here and yes they lost more lands ahead but why the Apartheid regime should resorting to expansionism i guess they won't stop until they shot in their own foot.
 
Any country in that situation would have done the same, didn't Indians (Muslims and Hindus) fought war with British in 1700 and 1800s because of their occupation. Don't know if you are really trying to justify their occupation here and yes they lost more lands ahead but why the Apartheid regime should resorting to expansionism i guess they won't stop until they shot in their own foot.
Nope not the same. Britain partioned original land into 2 countries israel and Palestine. Just like they did ind and pak. Ind and pak accepted.
But the palestine muslims rejected it and all muslim countries then went to war against israel - they were the aggressor- and then lost. They lost just to emphasize. Lost again in 1972 after they were the aggressor who attacked. Sorry dont see how you want everything back after you go to war and then lose.. so you mean to say you can keep on attacking being the aggressor- lose every time - and then get expect to get everything back.. hope you see the logic or rather lack of it in this statement.
 
Nope not the same. Britain partioned original land into 2 countries israel and Palestine. Just like they did ind and pak. Ind and pak accepted.
But the palestine muslims rejected it and all muslim countries then went to war against israel - they were the aggressor- and then lost. They lost just to emphasize. Lost again in 1972 after they were the aggressor who attacked. Sorry dont see how you want everything back after you go to war and then lose.. so you mean to say you can keep on attacking being the aggressor- lose every time - and then get expect to get everything back.. hope you see the logic or rather lack of it in this statement.
Well Mr Deltexas, it appears your knowledge of history is faulty. India and Pakistan acceded to the partition plan after elections in 1946 but this situation is entirely different the British carved out a new country from thin air and then you except Palestinians to accept that? Its so biased stance, would you or anyone like the same standard for their country? Never, you guys hate China for 1962 war but what would have been your reaction had they not vacated arunachal pradesh and carved a new country out of India then.
 
Well Mr Deltexas, it appears your knowledge of history is faulty. India and Pakistan acceded to the partition plan after elections in 1946 but this situation is entirely different the British carved out a new country from thin air and then you except Palestinians to accept that? Its so biased stance, would you or anyone like the same standard for their country? Never, you guys hate China for 1962 war but what would have your reaction had they not vacated arunachal pradesh and carved a new country out of India then.
British partitioned the land into 2 for each religion. Jews got land , muslims got land . They rejected the option and then took the "risk" to go for all out war for all or nothing.. they took that risk- they knew they could lose the war and lose everything . They went to war and lost. And now want everything back?? Once you lose after being the aggressor- you have to "compromise ".

So how do they expect everything back once they lost the war they initiated? Compromise could have been done and dusted. But they dont want to. 90s was a great time to compromise. Even early 200s. They didn't- elected terrorists Hamas - and here we are
 
Palestinians to be accomodated in the 50 Muslim countries that already exist.

Israel to be left the hell alone with the only Jewish homeland.
 
Israel keeps on annexing land illegally whether there is a war or not. Their end goal seems to be taking whole of Palestine and parts from other countries too (illegal annexations). It doesn't seem like Israel is interested in a 2-state solution.

Since USA/UK blindly back them no matter what they do, status quo is unlikely to change soon conventionally.

Maybe a divine miracle is needed to end this conflict. Maybe it will take Prophet Jesus/Isa (PBUH) to fix this mess. Refer to Islamic end times prophecies.
 
Palestinians to be accomodated in the 50 Muslim countries that already exist.

Israel to be left the hell alone with the only Jewish homeland.
The day India takes back all persecuted Hindus around the world then you can repeat this mantra.

But as a matter of fact when Musharraf gave the Chenab formula on Kashmir to give Muslim dominated part to Pak and Ladakh to Ind then your country disagreed. Why?
 
British partitioned the land into 2 for each religion. Jews got land , muslims got land . They rejected the option and then took the "risk" to go for all out war for all or nothing.. they took that risk- they knew they could lose the war and lose everything . They went to war and lost. And now want everything back?? Once you lose after being the aggressor- you have to "compromise ".

So how do they expect everything back once they lost the war they initiated? Compromise could have been done and dusted. But they dont want to. 90s was a great time to compromise. Even early 200s. They didn't- elected terrorists Hamas - and here we are
Ok when Arafat signed the Oslo accord then why Apartheid regime didn't honor it. Because if they had done so then your claim of forgetting the past claims would have vanished with a two state solution.
 
Israel keeps on annexing land illegally whether there is a war or not. Their end goal seems to be taking whole of Palestine and parts from other countries too (illegal annexations). It doesn't seem like Israel is interested in a 2-state solution.

Since USA/UK blindly back them no matter what they do, status quo is unlikely to change soon conventionally.

Maybe a divine miracle is needed to end this conflict. Maybe it will take Prophet Jesus/Isa (PBUH) to fix this mess. Refer to Islamic end times prophecies.
Palestine rejected 2 state option. They lost the war that they initiated- so practically lost everything with the war - so they lost all the land. Initially they got back gaza and west bank but they wanted the whole land back and that was not feasible and now the settlements are happening. They had the chance in 2000 as well to just accept and move on but no they didn't and we are here now
 
Ok when Arafat signed the Oslo accord then why Apartheid regime didn't honor it. Because if they had done so then your claim of forgetting the past claims would have vanished with a two state solution.
Oslo accords were a 5 year agreement that ended in 1999. Arafat rejected the 2000 camp David meet terms or refused to negotiate or work on it. Yes was not easy but tough compromises have to be done. Some tough choices needed to be made or else you will make multiple generations suffer which he did but personally led a cozy lavish lifestyle.
 
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