What can Pakistan learn from the West Indies' 1st Test victory at Southampton?

[MenInG]

The manner in which they fought all the way and especially the way their batsmen have battled through must be huge lessons for Pakistan.

Archer and Wood were supposed to be huge threats but West Indies batsmen took them on and showed how good preparation can help you take on tough odds.

So plenty of food for thought for Pakistan and one hopes that the 1st Test will be analyzed to the max by Misbah/Waqar/Younis/Mushtaq - Some important lessons for Pakistan which cannot be ignored.

 

[sweep_shot]

England are currently a vulnerable team and Pakistan should feel genuinely confident about winning series.

West Indies batted patiently and that's definitely one lesson for Pakistan.

 

[Titan24]

Discipline in bowling was the key take away from WI in this match.

 

[Markhor]

Misbah and Waqar are not ones to do thorough homework given their track record.

Broad showed the whole world how to get David Warner out in the last Ashes coming around the wicket. Yet when Pakistan toured Australia, they did the opposite.

 

[Mamoon]

West Indies have a much better attack.

We only have one quality fast bowler (Shaheen) who is backed up by a 19-20 year old who is too short and an overage dibbly-dobbler.

 

[Saj]

Look at the opposition's weaknesses, Pakistan has not done their homework or preparation very well in recent times and have paid for this.

Simmons, Holder and the think-tank really prepared the team very well and they knew where to bowl to the opposition batsmen which was crucial - Misbah and Waqar need to do this.

 

[Abid Z]

What’s really stood out for me is the patience and skill to take the game deep into the fifth day. Wi have bowled tightly but batted even more tightly. Not taken undue risks and when they’ve needed to put the shutters down and weather the barrage they’ve done so. Being patient and adaptable is key. Pakistan should’ve careful and not play flashy cricket. Just decent line and length will do.

 

[Titan24]

West Indies have a much better attack.

We only have one quality fast bowler (Shaheen) who is backed up by a 19-20 year old who is too short and an overage dibbly-dobbler.

Naseem is 2 inches taller than Roach and almost of similar height as Shami, Bumrah, Abbas etc. though he is inexperienced at test level.

 

[aloo paratha]

West Indies have a much better attack.

We only have one quality fast bowler (Shaheen) who is backed up by a 19-20 year old who is too short and an overage dibbly-dobbler.

I don't know man, but overage dibbly dobbler took 10 wickets at an average of 14 when he last played in England.

 

[MMHS]

Three things -

From WIN:
1. Bowl tight with new ball
2. Bat positively and whoever once set must play a damaging knock(for opponents) & dominate
3. Leadership - there was a Captain in the middle

From England:
1. Hold on to catches
2. Play at least one front line spinner
3. Be more positive with bat

From both:
1. Play proper Test players - it's not a place for bits & pieces cricketers

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Three things -

From WIN:
1. Bowl tight with new ball
2. Bat positively and whoever once set must play a damaging knock(for opponents) & dominate
3. Leadership - there was a Captain in the middle

From England:
1. Hold on to catches
2. Play at least one front line spinner
3. Be more positive with bat

From both:
1. Play proper Test players - it's not a place for bits & pieces cricketers

Interesting. According to [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] allrounders are a must in SENA countries even if they are not world class.

Misbah is looking to experiment with Shadab Khan who batted well today in Worcester. So Shadab will be Pak's main spinner @ Old Trafford.

 

[Junaids]

West Indies have a much better attack.

We only have one quality fast bowler (Shaheen) who is backed up by a 19-20 year old who is too short and an overage dibbly-dobbler.

I would take the Pakistan attack over the West Indies attack any day.

Shaheen Shah Afridi is the real thing.

Naseem Shah has a spectacular action.

Abbas is more accurate and metronomic than any West Indian bowler.

Shadab bats well enough to play at Number 7, and on a wearing wicket he will be a handful especially to tailenders who will struggle with the fact that he has a better googly than Yasir Shah.

 

[Usman Chadda]

According to some fans here and 'pundits', Pakistan should thank their lucky stars if they manage to compete.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I doubt Pakistan will be playing the same team England fielded at Southampton. I think its more than likely that England will have Bairstow and Moeen Ali returning to the side and Root will be back obviously. On top of that, the England attack with Broad and Moeen Ali, possibly even Woakes will be a much more dangerous than this one.

I don't think you can read too much into this game. England did not field their best team and I don't think they will be carrying the dead-weight of Denly and Buttler for much longer. Denly is almost certain to get axed in the next game and Buttler should be too. He has looked terrible in every respect.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

That said, the England batting order is still brittle. Burns is doing a bit better now but Crawley, Sibley are very new to the scene. Pope played well in South Africa but he also lacks experience. Root as we all know is not the same player he was 3-4 years ago. He has major issues converting. They're all good players but they have their weaknesses. Pakistan has a good attack that can cause a lot of problems for them in those conditions.

I can't say much about the Pakistan batting tho. England is the toughest place to open statistically in recent years and Shan Masood didn't do well last time while Abid Ali is playing his first series here. Question marks over Azhar and Asad too.

 

[MenInG]

I am very concerned about the fitness of Pakistan players - You may well have prepared with many intra squad games but without fitness, it will come to naught.

West Indies are supremely fit and Pakistan need to be at that level of fitness too, to challenge England.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Pakistan might aswell get blown away, but I like how West Indies' test team is getting over-rated here left, right and centre.

 

[therealAB]

I would take the Pakistan attack over the West Indies attack any day.

Shaheen Shah Afridi is the real thing.

Naseem Shah has a spectacular action.

Abbas is more accurate and metronomic than any West Indian bowler.

Shadab bats well enough to play at Number 7, and on a wearing wicket he will be a handful especially to tailenders who will struggle with the fact that he has a better googly than Yasir Shah.

Holder is the best bowler for either time by a significant margin, and Gabriel has been fantastic for the last 3 years or so. Naseem has a spectacular action, but that doesn't make him any more efficient than the two aforementioned players. SSA is class, but still not as good as Holder in English conditions

 

[therealAB]

Pakistan need to bat in an applied fashion. Both of Chase's innings, Braithwaite 60 in the first innings as well as Dowrich's 60 show that by leaving the ball well, defending off the front foot and not playing any rash shots batsmen can do well. Steve Smith's batting last year should be the model for batting in English conditions; block, leave and score well in areas of strength when they bowl there instead of trying to fish and play more difficult shots

 

[pratiktc]

Biggest thing was Gabriel and Alzarri after 5 hours of being kept out by England returned in last hour of day 4 to bowl at peak speed and accuracy to break the 2nd inns.

Pak bowlers have skills but unlikely if they will have physical and mental strength to make such late day/final spell comebacks if they are unsuccessful in opening bursts

 

[MenInG]

Biggest thing was Gabriel and Alzarri after 5 hours of being kept out by England returned in last hour of day 4 to bowl at peak speed and accuracy to break the 2nd inns.

Pak bowlers have skills but unlikely if they will have physical and mental strength to make such late day/final spell comebacks if they are unsuccessful in opening bursts

Very true and this is why I feel our fitness will come to play

 

[Saj]

I still feel our bowlers will do ok, it's the batting that worries me and which will be tested.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

I am very concerned about the fitness of Pakistan players - You may well have prepared with many intra squad games but without fitness, it will come to naught.

West Indies are supremely fit and Pakistan need to be at that level of fitness too, to challenge England.

Pakistan and fitness do not go hand in hand and yet you say WI are supremely fit, let Pak be just about fit for a start.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

I still feel our bowlers will do ok, it's the batting that worries me and which will be tested.

The bowling is a concern as well with Abbas and Yasir the only 2 with some test experience in England, for Naseem and Shaheen and the rest it will be a massive test and same for the batters with Abid and Fawad.