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Has there been any development on the issue? What's the update?
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What happened to the South Punjab/Seraiki Province?
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If they create South Punjab province now, the remaining Punjab or Northern Punjab will have very clear PML-N majority and they will form the government, more headache for ruing party. Hence, this issue has been on hold. The new province will be created just before the next election.
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PTI meant well during its campaign, but that would be a big blunder at the moment.
Lahore, Faisalabad, Gujranwala and a few others are still strongholds of PMLN. They still worship the Sharifs and the unlawfulness that comes with it (no tax, khuli badmashi).
It would bring PMLN back in the game. So got to wait a few years more for it.
Lahore, Faisalabad, Gujranwala and a few others are still strongholds of PMLN. They still worship the Sharifs and the unlawfulness that comes with it (no tax, khuli badmashi).
It would bring PMLN back in the game. So got to wait a few years more for it.
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That's what I thought. No one is actually serious about making a South Punjab province unless it stands to benefit them. PML-N governments did not do anything because they stood to lose South. PTI isn't doing anything because they stand to loose North.
That's exactly right, funny isn;t it .
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Punjab should be divided into three provinces. It has a population of 100,000,000 people for goodness sake. Why do you think people in Pakistan about a "Punjab bias"? Also, the people of southern Punjab and northern Punjab aren't technically Punjabi ethnicity.
Seraiki are a separate group among themselves with their own culture, history and traditions. The same with the northern Punjabis (Pahari/Potohari) who share similarities with the Hazara Hindko speakers.
It's a big shame that it took Pakistan 70 years to realize that British-made provincial borders were a lie.
Did it really need to take 70 years to merge FATA into KP?
The same with Punjab...Bahawalpur for example was its own territory governed by its own monarchy, which was forcibly merged into Punjab during the British invasion of Punjab in 1842.
Seraiki are a separate group among themselves with their own culture, history and traditions. The same with the northern Punjabis (Pahari/Potohari) who share similarities with the Hazara Hindko speakers.
It's a big shame that it took Pakistan 70 years to realize that British-made provincial borders were a lie.
Did it really need to take 70 years to merge FATA into KP?
The same with Punjab...Bahawalpur for example was its own territory governed by its own monarchy, which was forcibly merged into Punjab during the British invasion of Punjab in 1842.
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You/your parents from bahawalphur, as my mum is from their. Live the place so many beautiful buildings. People are so friendly
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Bhai meray why are you he’ll bent on creating more divisions in the country? I am all for splitting up the province for administrative reasons but doin it along linguistic and ethnic lines is going to create nothing but more chaos and disharmony.
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We are not talking about splitting the country. Saraikis aren't baying for the blood of Punjabis. But they have a distinct identity and its important to have their identity valued and respected by the administrators. If creating a separate province for Saraikis in the south improve their sense of identity and it help ease the load of governance from the north and empower the south, its a win-win.
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Their should be a all parties committee to decide on how to create new provinces. If you create a Seraiki province based on language, why not an Urdu province in Karachi. Why not a Hindko province in KPK?
Another option is to have local government, so each district becomes a province in all but in name, so same way in UK their is England, Scotland, Wales, and N. Ireland, Pakistan can keep the same provinces, but just give the districts the real power.
Another option is to have local government, so each district becomes a province in all but in name, so same way in UK their is England, Scotland, Wales, and N. Ireland, Pakistan can keep the same provinces, but just give the districts the real power.
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pathetic, the post on this thread shows how posters just dont care about these other cities.
They want PTI to hold power and not lose it thus dont want the new province.
They want PTI to hold power and not lose it thus dont want the new province.
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This should have been dealt with by now but what can you expect when it took us 70 years to start integrating FATA into KPK province.
The fact is that nobody cares about people living in South Punjab and addressing their grievances.
The fact is that nobody cares about people living in South Punjab and addressing their grievances.
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My family is from South Punjab and Imran Khan does care about us. We understand the potential political implications that PTI can face, we are willing to give the govt time. The progress of Pakistan is more important then our separate South Punjab province.
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Making a new provinces would mean changing the Constitution, adjust national assembly, Senate and provincial assembly seats. From what I recall they made a committee to do all the ground work but the week after all the jailed politicians started using the different committees to get out of jail so the topic went on the back burner and now all committees seemed to have been disbanded. I don't think Pti has the seats to do constitutional amendments in NA unless PPP is willing to support them but they will still need it to pass in Punjab provincial assembly as well as Senate.
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MPAs-Buzdar meeting creates stir in PML-N
LAHORE: The “unofficial meeting” of six Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) lawmakers with Punjab Chief Minister Usman Buzdar has created a stir among the party’s leadership.
The PML-N on Thursday issued show-cause notices to the six lawmakers, who met the Punjab CM, without seeking prior permission of its leadership.
“The party [PML-N] is considering to take serious action against these members. We will be discussing legal options to get them de-seated,” spokesperson Azma Bukhari said.
“They will not be issued tickets in the next general elections,” she added.
According to details, legislators from Punjab Assembly belonging to different political parties met CM Buzdar on Thursday to discuss issues pertaining to their respective constituencies without obtaining permission from their party leaders.
The Nawaz-league lawmakers, who met the chief minister, include Mian Jalil Ahmed Sharqpuri, Chaudhry Ashraf Ali Ansari, Nishat Ahmed Daha, Muhammad Abu Hafas Ghayasuddin, Azhar Abbas and Mohammad Faisal Khan Niazi. Pakistan Peoples Party’s (PPP) Ghazanfar Ali was also present in the meeting.
The meeting came in the backdrop of Buzdar’s approving the formation of a South Punjab secretariat — a move that is expected to pave way for the creation of a new province.
Last month, the Punjab government had allowed creation of 385 posts, including an additional chief secretary (ACS) and additional Inspector-General (AIG) Punjab, to make the proposed South Punjab civil secretariat functional.
The chief minister told his party MPAs that the south Punjab secretariat would be set up in Multan and the ACS and AIG would soon be posted in Bahawalpur and Multan, respectively.
While, the South Punjab secretariat will cover three divisions — Multan, Bahawalpur and DG Khan, the government has sought panels of three senior officers each for the selection of ACS South Punjab and AIG South Punjab.
The south Punjab civil secretariat will function under the additional chief secretary and house 18 departments, including planning and development, health, education, irrigation, communication and works, finance, local government, housing, women development, energy and agriculture.
Each department will be represented by a special secretary, while having full powers of an administrative secretary.
The special secretary of each department will have a team of two additional secretaries, four deputy secretaries and four section officers besides ministerial and support staff.
As the PTI took reins of the Punjab government in 2018 general elections, it created an Executive Council on Creation of South Punjab province.
However, it soon realized that creating a new province required amending the constitution and a consent of the Punjab Assembly with two-thirds majority in the parliament and in the provincial assembly.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2253092/mpas-buzdar-meeting-creates-stir-in-pml-n
LAHORE: The “unofficial meeting” of six Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) lawmakers with Punjab Chief Minister Usman Buzdar has created a stir among the party’s leadership.
The PML-N on Thursday issued show-cause notices to the six lawmakers, who met the Punjab CM, without seeking prior permission of its leadership.
“The party [PML-N] is considering to take serious action against these members. We will be discussing legal options to get them de-seated,” spokesperson Azma Bukhari said.
“They will not be issued tickets in the next general elections,” she added.
According to details, legislators from Punjab Assembly belonging to different political parties met CM Buzdar on Thursday to discuss issues pertaining to their respective constituencies without obtaining permission from their party leaders.
The Nawaz-league lawmakers, who met the chief minister, include Mian Jalil Ahmed Sharqpuri, Chaudhry Ashraf Ali Ansari, Nishat Ahmed Daha, Muhammad Abu Hafas Ghayasuddin, Azhar Abbas and Mohammad Faisal Khan Niazi. Pakistan Peoples Party’s (PPP) Ghazanfar Ali was also present in the meeting.
The meeting came in the backdrop of Buzdar’s approving the formation of a South Punjab secretariat — a move that is expected to pave way for the creation of a new province.
Last month, the Punjab government had allowed creation of 385 posts, including an additional chief secretary (ACS) and additional Inspector-General (AIG) Punjab, to make the proposed South Punjab civil secretariat functional.
The chief minister told his party MPAs that the south Punjab secretariat would be set up in Multan and the ACS and AIG would soon be posted in Bahawalpur and Multan, respectively.
While, the South Punjab secretariat will cover three divisions — Multan, Bahawalpur and DG Khan, the government has sought panels of three senior officers each for the selection of ACS South Punjab and AIG South Punjab.
The south Punjab civil secretariat will function under the additional chief secretary and house 18 departments, including planning and development, health, education, irrigation, communication and works, finance, local government, housing, women development, energy and agriculture.
Each department will be represented by a special secretary, while having full powers of an administrative secretary.
The special secretary of each department will have a team of two additional secretaries, four deputy secretaries and four section officers besides ministerial and support staff.
As the PTI took reins of the Punjab government in 2018 general elections, it created an Executive Council on Creation of South Punjab province.
However, it soon realized that creating a new province required amending the constitution and a consent of the Punjab Assembly with two-thirds majority in the parliament and in the provincial assembly.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2253092/mpas-buzdar-meeting-creates-stir-in-pml-n
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South Punjab Secretariat to be established at Multan, Bahawalpur: Qureshi
ISLAMABAD: Foreign Minister Makhdoom Shah Mahmood Qureshi Wednesday said South Punjab Secretariat would be established at both districts of Multan and Bahawalpur.
He, in a statement, said today, an important meeting in that regard was chaired by Prime Minister Imran Khan and attended by members of the National Assembly belonging to that area.
The members of Parliament belonging to South Punjab apprised the prime minister of the whole situation regarding functioning of the secretariat, he added.
Foreign Minister Qureshi further said as per prime minister’s direction, he along with Khusru Bakhtiar would soon hold a meeting with the Punjab chief minister in which establishment of relevant offices in Multan and Bahawalpur would be considered.
https://www.brecorder.com/news/4000...o-be-established-at-multan-bahawalpur-qureshi
ISLAMABAD: Foreign Minister Makhdoom Shah Mahmood Qureshi Wednesday said South Punjab Secretariat would be established at both districts of Multan and Bahawalpur.
He, in a statement, said today, an important meeting in that regard was chaired by Prime Minister Imran Khan and attended by members of the National Assembly belonging to that area.
The members of Parliament belonging to South Punjab apprised the prime minister of the whole situation regarding functioning of the secretariat, he added.
Foreign Minister Qureshi further said as per prime minister’s direction, he along with Khusru Bakhtiar would soon hold a meeting with the Punjab chief minister in which establishment of relevant offices in Multan and Bahawalpur would be considered.
https://www.brecorder.com/news/4000...o-be-established-at-multan-bahawalpur-qureshi
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South Punjab Secretariat to become operational on October 15
ISLAMABAD: The South Punjab Secretariat will formally become operational on October 15, as decided by a meeting chaired by Prime Minister Imran Khan here on Friday.
The meeting on establishment and working of South Punjab Secretariat was attended by Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi. Chief Minister Punjab Usman Buzdar, Finance Minister Punjab Makhdoom Hashim Jawan Bakht, Chief Secretary Punjab, Additional Chief Secretary South Punjab and Additional Inspector General South Punjab joined through video-link.
The Prime Minister emphasized that the government’s main focus was to bring about improvement in the lives of common man and directed the administration of South Punjab to work in fulfilling the same vision.
He lauded efforts of Chief Minister Buzdar and the Punjab government for establishment of South Punjab Secretariat, and said solid steps reflected PTI government’s will to implement its manifesto in letter and spirit.
He regretted that governments in the past ignored the genuine issue of the people of South Punjab. Stressing on the need for Provincial Finance Commission Award, the Prime Minister said separate allocation for South Punjab would usher in a new era of progress and prosperity.
Imran Khan directed to complete process of devolution of power phase-wise to ensure smooth running of administrative procedures. He asked to keep him regularly updated on the progress of the working of new Secretariat.
Foreign Minister Qureshi highlighted the practical steps taken by Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf in accordance with the aspirations of people of southern Punjab, establishment of South Punjab Secretariat, devolution of administrative powers, ending sense of deprivation and resolving problems at their doorsteps.
https://www.brecorder.com/news/40016625/south-punjab-secretariat-to-become-operational-on-october-15
ISLAMABAD: The South Punjab Secretariat will formally become operational on October 15, as decided by a meeting chaired by Prime Minister Imran Khan here on Friday.
The meeting on establishment and working of South Punjab Secretariat was attended by Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi. Chief Minister Punjab Usman Buzdar, Finance Minister Punjab Makhdoom Hashim Jawan Bakht, Chief Secretary Punjab, Additional Chief Secretary South Punjab and Additional Inspector General South Punjab joined through video-link.
The Prime Minister emphasized that the government’s main focus was to bring about improvement in the lives of common man and directed the administration of South Punjab to work in fulfilling the same vision.
He lauded efforts of Chief Minister Buzdar and the Punjab government for establishment of South Punjab Secretariat, and said solid steps reflected PTI government’s will to implement its manifesto in letter and spirit.
He regretted that governments in the past ignored the genuine issue of the people of South Punjab. Stressing on the need for Provincial Finance Commission Award, the Prime Minister said separate allocation for South Punjab would usher in a new era of progress and prosperity.
Imran Khan directed to complete process of devolution of power phase-wise to ensure smooth running of administrative procedures. He asked to keep him regularly updated on the progress of the working of new Secretariat.
Foreign Minister Qureshi highlighted the practical steps taken by Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf in accordance with the aspirations of people of southern Punjab, establishment of South Punjab Secretariat, devolution of administrative powers, ending sense of deprivation and resolving problems at their doorsteps.
https://www.brecorder.com/news/40016625/south-punjab-secretariat-to-become-operational-on-october-15
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Ironic coming from a PPP jiyala. That is exactly what is PPP doing. Destroying Karachi because they have a stranglehold on power due to interior Sindh votebank.
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I understand there have been no significant moves towards creating this province which is extremely worrying given it was marked out as a key pledge by PTI.
Punjab is so vast it really needs to be split into three different provinces (N Punjab, Central and S Punjab). In fact Pakistan is in need of a number of new provinces. We need to move on from colonial adminstration that is not fit for purpose anymore.
Punjab is so vast it really needs to be split into three different provinces (N Punjab, Central and S Punjab). In fact Pakistan is in need of a number of new provinces. We need to move on from colonial adminstration that is not fit for purpose anymore.
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Well then KPK, Sindh and Balochistan should also be split into a number of new provinces. It makes perfect sense administratively.
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Do you realise that his term is not even 50% yet.
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Agree with this - it is overdue. Let's see first how PTI deals with the South Punjab province first though, since it was one of their election promises.
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There has been significant movement on it. Just that you are illiterate and ignorant.
Punjab government has established a South Punjab secretariat in Multan and posted commissioners for 16 relevant departments there. An Additional IG specifically for South Punjab has also been posted.
Formation of a new province isn't like flicking a switch, you have to lay the groundwork and setup the administrative structure. A formal bill will be brought to form the new province near the end of the term. That's because PTI has most of their Punjab seats from South Punjab and if they form the province now they will lose CM-ship of Central Punjab.
I would recommend that you educate yourself rather than spewing nonsense against the government because of your agendas.
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For the ignorant
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In pursuance of our promises with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SouthPunjab?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SouthPunjab</a>, we have finalised location & design for Multan's "South Punjab Secretariat" <br><br>This 5 storey structure will be built on Mattital Road, Multan. This will resolve issues of the people of South Punjab at their doorstep! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PTI4SouthPunjab?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PTI4SouthPunjab</a> <a href="https://t.co/5Jd4MioqyV">pic.twitter.com/5Jd4MioqyV</a></p>— Usman Buzdar (@UsmanAKBuzdar) <a href="https://twitter.com/UsmanAKBuzdar/status/1306546277891661824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In pursuance of our promises with <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SouthPunjab?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SouthPunjab</a>, we have finalised location & design for Multan's "South Punjab Secretariat" <br><br>This 5 storey structure will be built on Mattital Road, Multan. This will resolve issues of the people of South Punjab at their doorstep! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PTI4SouthPunjab?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PTI4SouthPunjab</a> <a href="https://t.co/5Jd4MioqyV">pic.twitter.com/5Jd4MioqyV</a></p>— Usman Buzdar (@UsmanAKBuzdar) <a href="https://twitter.com/UsmanAKBuzdar/status/1306546277891661824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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[MENTION=142317]Loralai[/MENTION] I know in India Urdu isn't taught but you can use Google Translate to understand what is written. However, I'm afraid even if you are able to read it you do not have the requisite brain power to process it.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">وزیر اعظم عمران خان کے جنوبی پنجاب کی عوام سےکئےگئےایک اور وعدے کی تکمیل: وزیراعلی عثمان بزدار کی خصوصی کاوشوں سےجنوبی پنجاب سیکرٹریٹ کےلیے ایڈیشنل چیف سیکرٹری اور ایڈیشنل آئی جی کےبعد 10محکموں کےبااختیار سیکریٹریز کی تقرری۔<br><br>کل 16محکمےجنوبی پنجاب کےلیول تک devolve کیےگئے ہیں۔ <a href="https://t.co/UTcjerevXD">pic.twitter.com/UTcjerevXD</a></p>— Government of Punjab (@GovtofPunjabPK) <a href="https://twitter.com/GovtofPunjabPK/status/1300406097602383872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">وزیر اعظم عمران خان کے جنوبی پنجاب کی عوام سےکئےگئےایک اور وعدے کی تکمیل: وزیراعلی عثمان بزدار کی خصوصی کاوشوں سےجنوبی پنجاب سیکرٹریٹ کےلیے ایڈیشنل چیف سیکرٹری اور ایڈیشنل آئی جی کےبعد 10محکموں کےبااختیار سیکریٹریز کی تقرری۔<br><br>کل 16محکمےجنوبی پنجاب کےلیول تک devolve کیےگئے ہیں۔ <a href="https://t.co/UTcjerevXD">pic.twitter.com/UTcjerevXD</a></p>— Government of Punjab (@GovtofPunjabPK) <a href="https://twitter.com/GovtofPunjabPK/status/1300406097602383872?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 31, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
I know but it will not happen. There is no will.
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You need to worry less about south Punjab and keep an eye out for the yellow peril on your own doorstep. China will be reclaiming Hong Kong in the not too distant future, then let's see how they deal with your separatist protests.
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I think it should all be done at the same especially if we're going to be doing this on a linguistic basis as a lot of linguistic groups spill across the artificial provinicial boundaries so it only makes sense to "reorganize" the provinicial boundaries while we're doing this. India did this back in the 50s so it's about time we do as well, funnily enough this will irk the same people pushing for a south Punjab province.
Why is Imran Khan failing to create a separate province from South of Punjab?
In last elections Imran Khan promised to create a separate province from South of Punjab and thats why he got lot of votes and seats from South Punjab. Now he has been in power for 3 years but not much has been done to make the new province. People of South Punjab are losing hope that Imran Khan will be able to fulfill his province.
Why Imran Khan failed in this regard. Was it really his intention to make the new province or it was just an empty promise to fool the people of South Punjab and get their votes?
In last elections Imran Khan promised to create a separate province from South of Punjab and thats why he got lot of votes and seats from South Punjab. Now he has been in power for 3 years but not much has been done to make the new province. People of South Punjab are losing hope that Imran Khan will be able to fulfill his province.
Why Imran Khan failed in this regard. Was it really his intention to make the new province or it was just an empty promise to fool the people of South Punjab and get their votes?
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I don't think it's needed
The other provinces also need to give up land.
The other provinces also need to give up land.
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It should happen. There are too many people in Punjab and funds for 100 million plus people end up being spent on 10-15 million people.
I hope he follows on with this promise and promising of ending quota system in sindh.
I hope he follows on with this promise and promising of ending quota system in sindh.
So Imran Khan was lying to people of South Punjab when he promise them new province?
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Well he also promised this, it's probably a more complicated process than we think
https://nation.com.pk/22-Mar-2014/resolution-to-create-hazara-province-passed
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why?
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It's only fair
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Punjab in Pakistan won't be split into pieces for the same reason why Uttar Pradesh in India will remain whole as well.
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Punjab needs to be split into 3 parts. I want to see a Northern Province for Pothwar.
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agree with this, a pothwar province around 10 mill people is the right size subdivision for pak.
ive always thought pakistan needs to be split into around 20 subdivisions, so i agree with u on some level, but i think punjab is pointlessly centralised and should have new subdivisions before other provinces.
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It should be not based on linguistics cause if you're going to do that then it will open up a pandoras box cause there many other regions that would qualify to become a province based off linguistics
Uttar Pradesh has already split.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uttar_Pradesh_Reorganisation_Act,_2000
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UP already split once.. and will in future
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Uttaranchal which is now Uttarakhand has already been carved out of Uttar Pradesh and I am very sure the remaining state of Uttar Pradesh will also be divided in the future.
Since it's already been divided once - are you still sure it won't be divided in the future? I am simply curious to find out what's your logic why you thought Uttar Pradesh was not divided or will not further be divided in the future?
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RN it's not necessary I don't see a huge political except for this elections PTI results
sociology economic divide between north punjab and rest of the punjab
Or at least not to the level of South punjab
Maybe 20,30 years later we can look at it but it's too early now
Especially without the necessary provinces of greater karachi, S punjab
If our political system can handle that devide than we can later look at North punjab situation cause it's not an ER type of situation RN unlike those two
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This, we need our own province.
More provinces will solve many problems of our country. Right now IK has very little to play with but after 2023, he will be in a position to fully implement his vision.
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Yes, I was aware of Uttarakhand splitting from Uttar Pradesh, but that was a distinct part of the state in the first place. The pahadi people there shared historic grievances with the people from the plains and had more to do with their sister states of Himachal and Punjab than with faraway UP. The population density of Uttarakhand is also far, far lesser than UP so campaigning politicians didn't see the potential of such a votebank.
Now that the split has occurred, the rest of UP - although still a fake state with no ethnic identity like Punjabis/Tamlians/Gujaratis/Bengalis etc. - is homogenous and a political goldmine. From Bisht to Akhilesh to Mayawati and everybody in between, the uproar will be humongous if anybody makes a move toward development by chunking it out into more manageable pieces.
Logically it should be split into Awadh (the portion near Nepal), Bundelkhand (would involve swapping some districts with MP), Western UP (the areas around Noida) and Prayag (Allahabad and surrounds), but this will never happen. I have no idea how all of you are "very sure" that such a move will occur.
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Because he lied, just like he lied about everything else to fool the masses. He has failed to fulfill each and every promise.
This PTI government is the greatest scam and con-act this country has ever seen.
This PTI government is the greatest scam and con-act this country has ever seen.
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He made a statement that if electricity prices go up it shows that the leader is a chor.
Now electricity tarif will increase by 40% in the next coming 2 years
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I believe a South Punjab secretariat has already been established. Probably the slow inefficient bureaucracy which is riddled with PML N, PPP appointees, sympathizers and beneficiaries is to blame who are taking full advantage of the fact that if IK launches a Pinochet type cleanup, it will just give any excuse to the opposition to scream political victimization, persecution and for international human rights organizations to cry foul.
But I do agree that IK had a once in a lifetime opportunity to make a difference and perhaps he should have opted for the authoritarian route to be more efficient and effective
But I do agree that IK had a once in a lifetime opportunity to make a difference and perhaps he should have opted for the authoritarian route to be more efficient and effective
You believe that something that has already happened once can never happen again. Let's wait and see.
He will do it, close to next elections.
If he does it now, Northern Punjab will have clear opposition majority and PML-PPP will form the government easily . PTI MANs/MPAs from Southern Punjab also understand it , hence they are keeping a mum on it . Also that dummy CM of Punjab from south is there for the same reason.
Punjab should be split into three provinces , if not more. Potohar, Punjab and Southern Punjab.
If he does it now, Northern Punjab will have clear opposition majority and PML-PPP will form the government easily . PTI MANs/MPAs from Southern Punjab also understand it , hence they are keeping a mum on it . Also that dummy CM of Punjab from south is there for the same reason.
Punjab should be split into three provinces , if not more. Potohar, Punjab and Southern Punjab.
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LAHORE: Prime Minister Imran Khan has given the nod to a plan envisaging development of south Punjab as a separate “administrative zone” in the province with an all-powerful secretariat to tackle issues ranging from lack of resources to under-representation of the region’s populace in public sector jobs.
The premier, during his April 9 visit to Lahore, reportedly also gave his consent to amend the Punjab Civil Servants Act 1974 and to carry out necessary legislation to allow 32 per cent job quota for south Punjab — proportionate to the region’s population percentage in the province.
The south Punjab secretariats comprising 15 departments had been under criticism since their inception in September 2020 as the Punjab government had failed to give any transition plan and transfer the due administrative powers to the administrative secretaries posted there on a double-salary package. For south Punjab, the first additional chief secretary and additional inspector-general of police were appointed in June 2020.
The secretariats came under wider public scanner when the government withdrew two notifications, issued on March 29 and March 30, respectively, regarding rollback of these establishments. While the rules of business had been formulated in December 2020, they were never notified. Eventually, Punjab Chief Minister Usman Buzdar had to himself appear before the media to claim that the issuance of the notifications was “a technical mistake and human error”, withdrawing both orders.
The issuance and withdrawal of ‘erroneous notifications’, however, proved a blessing in disguise, as it made the Punjab government take all necessary measures it had been reluctant to take for the past seven months.
The plan that got the PM’s nod was prepared by Punjab Finance Minister Hashim Jawan Bakht-led ministerial committee after discussing the issue and marking all the hurdles that had so far been delaying vital decisions and measures. It was presented before Mr Khan during his last visit to Lahore.
The prime minister was informed that poverty rate in south Punjab was twice as much as in rest of the province as the region had been given only 17 per cent of the development share despite having 32pc of the population of the province.
In his presentation, Mr Bakht said the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf government had allocated a minimum guaranteed annual development programme (ADP) share of 33 per cent and ring-fenced the allocation by the provincial cabinet. Also, the budgeting format was being revisited to ensure transparency in spending, he said, adding that a separate ADP book would be published for the south Punjab region in the upcoming budget.
While talking to Dawn, the finance minister later said the premier was briefed that the main reason for vacant posts, inadequate service delivery and underutilisation of funds in south Punjab was that the human resources which were supposed to perform all those functions did not represent the region well.
The minister suggested that amendments needed to be made in the Punjab’s Civil Servant Act 1974 (Act VIII of 1974) to allocate a quota for the region in the public sector jobs through provincial legislation, as all the provinces except Punjab had the powers to allocate jobs on zonal/regional basis. He explained that Balochistan had seven zones, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa five and Sindh had two zones.
He proposed that the south Punjab region be given 32pc job quota in line with its population base. The rest of Punjab would have 68 per cent job quota.
The minister said the chief secretary and the additional chief secretary (south Punjab) would give final touches to the detailed rules of business under the oversight of the ministerial committee at the earliest.
He said a PC-I would be developed to offer technical assistance to all the departments being moved to south Punjab secretariats to ensure a smooth transition and meet operational challenges.
The ministerial committee would submit a final draft to the CM within a week for approval by the cabinet, he added.
The finance minister said there was a suggestion that the devolved departments such as finance, planning and development, law, services and general administration as well as home department be reverted back to Lahore to be run at the central level and their devolution could be reconsidered in a second phase. “The ministerial committee will see in the amended rules of business that which departments could be run in the south region and which ones may be kept in Lahore to take centralised decisions,” Mr Bakht said.
Regarding the finance department devolution, the minister said he was evaluating the plan and a decision would be taken soon.
Besides the five departments that might be moved back to Lahore, the provincial government had created livestock and dairy development, agriculture, health, education, wildlife and fisheries and irrigation, housing, urban development and public health engineering (HUD&PHE), board of revenue, communication and works, local government and community development in the south Punjab secretariats.
The Punjab government also has plans to initiate work for the construction of new buildings for the secretariats in Multan and Bahawalpur in the current fiscal year.
Published in Dawn, April 12th, 2021
The premier, during his April 9 visit to Lahore, reportedly also gave his consent to amend the Punjab Civil Servants Act 1974 and to carry out necessary legislation to allow 32 per cent job quota for south Punjab — proportionate to the region’s population percentage in the province.
The south Punjab secretariats comprising 15 departments had been under criticism since their inception in September 2020 as the Punjab government had failed to give any transition plan and transfer the due administrative powers to the administrative secretaries posted there on a double-salary package. For south Punjab, the first additional chief secretary and additional inspector-general of police were appointed in June 2020.
The secretariats came under wider public scanner when the government withdrew two notifications, issued on March 29 and March 30, respectively, regarding rollback of these establishments. While the rules of business had been formulated in December 2020, they were never notified. Eventually, Punjab Chief Minister Usman Buzdar had to himself appear before the media to claim that the issuance of the notifications was “a technical mistake and human error”, withdrawing both orders.
The issuance and withdrawal of ‘erroneous notifications’, however, proved a blessing in disguise, as it made the Punjab government take all necessary measures it had been reluctant to take for the past seven months.
The plan that got the PM’s nod was prepared by Punjab Finance Minister Hashim Jawan Bakht-led ministerial committee after discussing the issue and marking all the hurdles that had so far been delaying vital decisions and measures. It was presented before Mr Khan during his last visit to Lahore.
The prime minister was informed that poverty rate in south Punjab was twice as much as in rest of the province as the region had been given only 17 per cent of the development share despite having 32pc of the population of the province.
In his presentation, Mr Bakht said the Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf government had allocated a minimum guaranteed annual development programme (ADP) share of 33 per cent and ring-fenced the allocation by the provincial cabinet. Also, the budgeting format was being revisited to ensure transparency in spending, he said, adding that a separate ADP book would be published for the south Punjab region in the upcoming budget.
While talking to Dawn, the finance minister later said the premier was briefed that the main reason for vacant posts, inadequate service delivery and underutilisation of funds in south Punjab was that the human resources which were supposed to perform all those functions did not represent the region well.
The minister suggested that amendments needed to be made in the Punjab’s Civil Servant Act 1974 (Act VIII of 1974) to allocate a quota for the region in the public sector jobs through provincial legislation, as all the provinces except Punjab had the powers to allocate jobs on zonal/regional basis. He explained that Balochistan had seven zones, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa five and Sindh had two zones.
He proposed that the south Punjab region be given 32pc job quota in line with its population base. The rest of Punjab would have 68 per cent job quota.
The minister said the chief secretary and the additional chief secretary (south Punjab) would give final touches to the detailed rules of business under the oversight of the ministerial committee at the earliest.
He said a PC-I would be developed to offer technical assistance to all the departments being moved to south Punjab secretariats to ensure a smooth transition and meet operational challenges.
The ministerial committee would submit a final draft to the CM within a week for approval by the cabinet, he added.
The finance minister said there was a suggestion that the devolved departments such as finance, planning and development, law, services and general administration as well as home department be reverted back to Lahore to be run at the central level and their devolution could be reconsidered in a second phase. “The ministerial committee will see in the amended rules of business that which departments could be run in the south region and which ones may be kept in Lahore to take centralised decisions,” Mr Bakht said.
Regarding the finance department devolution, the minister said he was evaluating the plan and a decision would be taken soon.
Besides the five departments that might be moved back to Lahore, the provincial government had created livestock and dairy development, agriculture, health, education, wildlife and fisheries and irrigation, housing, urban development and public health engineering (HUD&PHE), board of revenue, communication and works, local government and community development in the south Punjab secretariats.
The Punjab government also has plans to initiate work for the construction of new buildings for the secretariats in Multan and Bahawalpur in the current fiscal year.
Published in Dawn, April 12th, 2021
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ISLAMABAD: The Senate discussed on Monday the creation of the South Punjab province after a bill was introduced for it, prompting Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi to seek support of all parties to help achieve PTI's electoral plegde, The News reported.
It was a private members day after the two-day recess, as PML-N lawmaker Rana Mehmoodul Hassan moved a private member bill supported by the PTI and PPP.
However, his fellow party lawmaker, PML-N Senator Mushahid Hussain Sayed, opposed it and emphasised that creating new provinces would open a Pandora's box which the federation could not afford.
Cautioning that it will not stop there, he pointed out that the 18th Amendment has empowered the provinces and noted that the provinces should be strengthened along with the local governments.
Rana Mehmood sought the House's support while presenting the case for the South Punjab province and maintained that the people of South Punjab have to go miles away to fetch drinking water besides facing a number of other hardships.
Read more: Does the government have solutions to its problems?
Leader of the Opposition in the House Yousaf Raza Gillani said the issue was important and recalled that the PPP, during its government, managed to get a bill passed from the Senate for the creation of the Bahawalpur province.
He emphasised they were demanding a province and not a secretariat.
At this, Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs Ali Muhammad Khan said in principle, Prime Minister Imran Khan was in favour of South Punjab province, but certain problems needed to be discussed and resolved.
He asked the chair to refer the bill to the concerned committee for more deliberations and political consensus.
Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said the bill was in line with PTI’s aspirations. However, he explained that an amendment in the constitution required a two-thirds majority and emphasised that the government had already made headway towards addressing the grievances of South Punjab.
He said the ring fencing concept was introduced under which development allocations for South Punjab would be made according to the population and there will be no room for re-appropriation.
Qureshi contended that passage of the bill will not only fulfill the desire of the people of South Punjab, but also strengthen the federation.
Responding to a remark by the Opposition leader, Qureshi said it's never too late in politics, urging the PPP to commit and lend support to the government’s efforts on this count.
The minister said: "If major political parties move ahead, we can find a way and we are hopeful that consensus would be evolved over the issue."
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It was a private members day after the two-day recess, as PML-N lawmaker Rana Mehmoodul Hassan moved a private member bill supported by the PTI and PPP.
However, his fellow party lawmaker, PML-N Senator Mushahid Hussain Sayed, opposed it and emphasised that creating new provinces would open a Pandora's box which the federation could not afford.
Cautioning that it will not stop there, he pointed out that the 18th Amendment has empowered the provinces and noted that the provinces should be strengthened along with the local governments.
Rana Mehmood sought the House's support while presenting the case for the South Punjab province and maintained that the people of South Punjab have to go miles away to fetch drinking water besides facing a number of other hardships.
Read more: Does the government have solutions to its problems?
Leader of the Opposition in the House Yousaf Raza Gillani said the issue was important and recalled that the PPP, during its government, managed to get a bill passed from the Senate for the creation of the Bahawalpur province.
He emphasised they were demanding a province and not a secretariat.
At this, Minister of State for Parliamentary Affairs Ali Muhammad Khan said in principle, Prime Minister Imran Khan was in favour of South Punjab province, but certain problems needed to be discussed and resolved.
He asked the chair to refer the bill to the concerned committee for more deliberations and political consensus.
Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said the bill was in line with PTI’s aspirations. However, he explained that an amendment in the constitution required a two-thirds majority and emphasised that the government had already made headway towards addressing the grievances of South Punjab.
He said the ring fencing concept was introduced under which development allocations for South Punjab would be made according to the population and there will be no room for re-appropriation.
Qureshi contended that passage of the bill will not only fulfill the desire of the people of South Punjab, but also strengthen the federation.
Responding to a remark by the Opposition leader, Qureshi said it's never too late in politics, urging the PPP to commit and lend support to the government’s efforts on this count.
The minister said: "If major political parties move ahead, we can find a way and we are hopeful that consensus would be evolved over the issue."
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Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi on Friday lashed out at Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) Chairman Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari for “obstructing” his vision to materialise his vision for the creation of South Punjab province, saying Bilawal was merely acting at the behest of his “teachers” mindlessly.
Qureshi, who has been struggling to reach across the political aisle to gain a two-thirds majority for the constitutional amendment required for the move, expressed frustration with the PPP chairperson’s “immature” and “childish” attitude.
The sharp tone comes as, a day earlier, the FM had written letters to President Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) Shahbaz Sharif and PPP’s chairperson Bilawal for the second time, urging them to cooperate on legislation regarding the establishment of the new South Punjab province.
Qureshi's letters, written as the vice-chairperson of the ruling PTI, was in continuation of the letter sent on January 19, which drew attention towards the longstanding and important matter pertaining to the creation of a separate province of South Punjab.
In a statement on Friday, he deplored that, “Bilawal’s teachers are incompetent who hand him written slips to utter scripted statements mindlessly”. The minister said that the need to write another letter to the opposition leaders was felt when the latter did not “bother to respond” to the first one.
The foreign minister said that a report published by United Nations Development Programme has also confirmed his position that southern Punjab remained the most backward region of the country. He said that he has also sent UNDP’s data to Shehbaz, adding that he wants him to “seriously consider” the issue.
“We have to move forward keeping in view the realities of South Punjab,” he further said. Qureshi said that as time goes by, Bilawal would learn that South Punjab cannot become a province through mere criticism, rather a constitutional amendment was needed to make it a reality.
“My question is whether Bilawal is ready to cooperate with us for a constitutional amendment,” he said.
However, the top diplomat reiterated his invitation, saying that, “If you want to make South Punjab a reality, let’s does it together”. “I am presenting a bill, if your intention is clear,then cast your vote,” he added.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2343127/bilawal-displaying-immature-attitude-qureshi
Qureshi, who has been struggling to reach across the political aisle to gain a two-thirds majority for the constitutional amendment required for the move, expressed frustration with the PPP chairperson’s “immature” and “childish” attitude.
The sharp tone comes as, a day earlier, the FM had written letters to President Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) Shahbaz Sharif and PPP’s chairperson Bilawal for the second time, urging them to cooperate on legislation regarding the establishment of the new South Punjab province.
Qureshi's letters, written as the vice-chairperson of the ruling PTI, was in continuation of the letter sent on January 19, which drew attention towards the longstanding and important matter pertaining to the creation of a separate province of South Punjab.
In a statement on Friday, he deplored that, “Bilawal’s teachers are incompetent who hand him written slips to utter scripted statements mindlessly”. The minister said that the need to write another letter to the opposition leaders was felt when the latter did not “bother to respond” to the first one.
The foreign minister said that a report published by United Nations Development Programme has also confirmed his position that southern Punjab remained the most backward region of the country. He said that he has also sent UNDP’s data to Shehbaz, adding that he wants him to “seriously consider” the issue.
“We have to move forward keeping in view the realities of South Punjab,” he further said. Qureshi said that as time goes by, Bilawal would learn that South Punjab cannot become a province through mere criticism, rather a constitutional amendment was needed to make it a reality.
“My question is whether Bilawal is ready to cooperate with us for a constitutional amendment,” he said.
However, the top diplomat reiterated his invitation, saying that, “If you want to make South Punjab a reality, let’s does it together”. “I am presenting a bill, if your intention is clear,then cast your vote,” he added.
https://tribune.com.pk/story/2343127/bilawal-displaying-immature-attitude-qureshi
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Creation of South Punjab province in limbo
Standing Committee on Law and Justice approves Inter-Governmental Commercial Transactions Bill, 2022
ISLAMABAD:
The creation of a South Punjab province appears to be a distant dream as those in the corridors of power are yet to legally vet the proposal.
During the meeting of the National Assembly’s Standing Committee on Law and Justice held under the chairmanship of Mehmood Bashir Virk, the issue was once again put on hold, as the body sought political consensus on the bill.
When the 26th constitutional amendment bill related to the carving out of another province for the people of southern Punjab was brought up, Alia Kamran said that political parties should be taken into confidence.
“After the approval of the bill what will be the composition of the seats in the Senate?” she asked.
Federal Minister for Law and Justice Azam Nazeer Tarar said that all members should take the positions of their respective parties on the bill.
The chair said that they were deferring the bill.
Also, during the meeting, the bill amending Article 84 of the Constitution of Pakistan was reviewed as well.
Syed Hussain Tariq, the initiator of the bill, told the committee that the letter written by the Ministry of Finance to the Ministry of Law and Justice in this regard mentions another lawmaker instead of him.
Mohsin Shah Nawaz Ranjha then proposed calling Finance Minister Miftah Ismail in this regard. Qadir Khan Mandokhail also seconded this, and the committee then summoned the minister to the next meeting.
Furthermore, the committee reviewed the Inter-Governmental Commercial Transactions Bill, 2022, and the law minister told the body that there will now be a cabinet committee that would look into the transactions before the cabinet’s approval. He added that parliamentary oversight is included.
Alia said that the three provisions should be deleted from the bill. “You are doing away with taking matters to court, which is against the law,” she remarked.
“When someone commits wrongdoing, they should be investigated,” she added. “What you are doing is giving precedence to previous laws.”
Tarar said that the constitutional mandate of higher and superior courts does not end with this. He said that everything will be discussed in the cabinet, and the existing laws that are signed today cannot be seen by anyone.
“We have made every effort to bring transparency,” he remarked.
The committee then approved the bill.
The Express Tribune
Standing Committee on Law and Justice approves Inter-Governmental Commercial Transactions Bill, 2022
ISLAMABAD:
The creation of a South Punjab province appears to be a distant dream as those in the corridors of power are yet to legally vet the proposal.
During the meeting of the National Assembly’s Standing Committee on Law and Justice held under the chairmanship of Mehmood Bashir Virk, the issue was once again put on hold, as the body sought political consensus on the bill.
When the 26th constitutional amendment bill related to the carving out of another province for the people of southern Punjab was brought up, Alia Kamran said that political parties should be taken into confidence.
“After the approval of the bill what will be the composition of the seats in the Senate?” she asked.
Federal Minister for Law and Justice Azam Nazeer Tarar said that all members should take the positions of their respective parties on the bill.
The chair said that they were deferring the bill.
Also, during the meeting, the bill amending Article 84 of the Constitution of Pakistan was reviewed as well.
Syed Hussain Tariq, the initiator of the bill, told the committee that the letter written by the Ministry of Finance to the Ministry of Law and Justice in this regard mentions another lawmaker instead of him.
Mohsin Shah Nawaz Ranjha then proposed calling Finance Minister Miftah Ismail in this regard. Qadir Khan Mandokhail also seconded this, and the committee then summoned the minister to the next meeting.
Furthermore, the committee reviewed the Inter-Governmental Commercial Transactions Bill, 2022, and the law minister told the body that there will now be a cabinet committee that would look into the transactions before the cabinet’s approval. He added that parliamentary oversight is included.
Alia said that the three provisions should be deleted from the bill. “You are doing away with taking matters to court, which is against the law,” she remarked.
“When someone commits wrongdoing, they should be investigated,” she added. “What you are doing is giving precedence to previous laws.”
Tarar said that the constitutional mandate of higher and superior courts does not end with this. He said that everything will be discussed in the cabinet, and the existing laws that are signed today cannot be seen by anyone.
“We have made every effort to bring transparency,” he remarked.
The committee then approved the bill.
The Express Tribune
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