What happens if there is a military conflict between Pakistan and America?

[B_Positive]

USA is stopping our aid. They are not even giving the money they owe us. They are constantly pressurizing us be it FATF front, Iran, Afgan or economically destabilization. They constantly tell us to "DO MORE". They bring issues in CPEC and asks IMF to stop our money. Even though I dont want but if there is some military conflict between US and us like they did in Iraq, what will happen? Will Russia and China help us? And what will India do? Will they help us because we are their neighbors and it may be harmful for them too or will they just keep silent? Or will Pak and US relations improve because I dont see them happening.

 

[PakLFC]

It will turn in to WW3. China, some Arab countries and Afghanistan will get involved as well. CPEC which is most important to China is happening We can live without American aid as well if we get our own house in order by bringing back all that looted wealth. India will side with America where as I am not really sure about the Russians who I still don't trust. Pak and American relations will not be improving in the near future in fact they'll get worse but I don't ever envisage and open war between the two..

 

[Mp812]

Diplomatic war may happen but not with guns and tanks . Think logically how would usa get troops and equipment to subcontinent

 

[B_Positive]

Diplomatic war may happen but not with guns and tanks . Think logically how would usa get troops and equipment to subcontinent

thats why I gave Iraq example. Americans came in Iraq. Also there is an air war. They might not need much troops. We would need allies.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

USA will always attack someone. The gigantic military and budget need justification, so let's hope they find someone else to shoot at.

 

[Lonewarrior]

how many countries that usa have invaded ha credible nuclear capability ? just asking.

@2:45..

 

[DeadBall]

Quite in contrary to your username but it will never happen. Nobody messes with nuclear powers. It isn't in their benefit and if such a thing were to happen the first nukes will be launched in the direction of their favorite ally/allies if nothing else. So to repeat myself, never going to happen, unless its a MAD scenario.

 

[B_Positive]

It will turn in to WW3. China, some Arab countries and Afghanistan will get involved as well. CPEC which is most important to China is happening We can live without American aid as well if we get our own house in order by bringing back all that looted wealth. India will side with America where as I am not really sure about the Russians who I still don't trust. Pak and American relations will not be improving in the near future in fact they'll get worse but I don't ever envisage and open war between the two..

Russians will be with us. they are with everything i.e Anti American. In 1971 they were with India because we were US allies.

 

[B_Positive]

Quite in contrary to your username but it will never happen. Nobody messes with nuclear powers. It isn't in their benefit and if such a thing were to happen the first nukes will be launched in the direction of their favorite ally/allies if nothing else. So to repeat myself, never going to happen, unless its a MAD scenario.

i agree. But they are bombing Syrians who they claim to have chemical weapons. And we dont have nuclear weapons that can bomb their allies or USA. And we can only bomb India which I dont think we would if they come by our side. We can do bombings in Afgan where their troops reside. Also India have anti ballistic missile systems, they can counter us. And during that time I dont think we would have time to focus on India or other US allies. We would be trying to secure ourselves. Question is how? Also if we attack on India, I doubt Russia will help us. And we would need them at that point.

Only reason to create this thread is if we get to war someday, who will support us. Certainly US is not in our favor. Then how will we save our country. And wars do happen to countries capable of nuclear weapons. Hell even Pak started war against India knowing they both are nuclear capable.

 

[PetroDollars]

The reason why CPEC is happening is because China itself wants an edge over USA in the region, they themselves have a fetish about taking over Pakistan just like USA - US coming to Pakistan is bigger threat to China than to Pakistan itself.

Pakistan must learn there are no friends when it comes to geo-politics, you go after your own interests. So if war comes best thing would be to diffuse the situation.

 

[B_Positive]

Quite in contrary to your username but it will never happen. Nobody messes with nuclear powers. It isn't in their benefit and if such a thing were to happen the first nukes will be launched in the direction of their favorite ally/allies if nothing else. So to repeat myself, never going to happen, unless its a MAD scenario.

i agree. But they are bombing Syrians who they claim to have chemical weapons. And we dont have nuclear weapons that can bomb their allies or USA. And we can only bomb India which I dont think we would if they come by our side. We can do bombings in Afgan where their troops reside. Also India have anti ballistic missile systems, they can counter us. And during that time I dont think we would have time to focus on India or other US allies. We would be trying to secure ourselves. Question is how? Also if we attack on India, I doubt Russia will help us. And we would need them at that point.

Only reason to create this thread is if we get to war someday, who will support us. Certainly US is not in our favor. Then how will we save our country. And wars do happen to countries capable of nuclear weapons. Hell even Pak started war against India knowing they both are nuclear capable.

 

[PetroDollars]

The reason why CPEC is happening is because China itself wants an edge over USA in the region, they themselves have a fetish about taking over Pakistan just like USA - US coming to Pakistan is bigger threat to China than to Pakistan itself.

Pakistan must learn there are no friends when it comes to geo-politics, you go after your own interests. So if war comes best thing would be to diffuse the situation.

 

[DeadBall]

i agree. But they are bombing Syrians who they claim to have chemical weapons. And we dont have nuclear weapons that can bomb their allies or USA. And we can only bomb India which I dont think we would if they come by our side. We can do bombings in Afgan where their troops reside. Also India have anti ballistic missile systems, they can counter us. And during that time I dont think we would have time to focus on India or other US allies. We would be trying to secure ourselves. Question is how? Also if we attack on India, I doubt Russia will help us. And we would need them at that point.

Only reason to create this thread is if we get to war someday, who will support us. Certainly US is not in our favor. Then how will we save our country. And wars do happen to countries capable of nuclear weapons. Hell even Pak started war against India knowing they both are nuclear capable.

Pakistan isn't some country claiming to have chemical weapons but is a recognized Nuclear state. That is why no one messes with it. Also by American "ally" I actually meant Israel which is very much in Pakistan's nuclear radius, I think.

P.S- By "/allies" I meant India but I don't think the US and the Israeli lobby in Washington cares that much about them.

They'll just use our decades long animosity to their advantage.

 

[B_Positive]

Pakistan isn't some country claiming to have chemical weapons but is a recognized Nuclear state. That is why no one messes with it. Also by American "ally" I actually meant Israel which is very much in Pakistan's nuclear radius, I think.

P.S- By "/allies" I meant India but I don't think the US and the Israeli lobby in Washington cares that much about them.

They'll just use our decades long animosity to their advantage.

Range is till Jordan. Israel is not in our range.

 

[DeadBall]

Range is till Jordan. Israel is not in our range.

You sure? If true, so much for us being a nuclear superpower. Maybe just offer some sugar free Rabri to everyone else and patch things up.

 

[Slog]

We’ll get obliterated

 

[sjahmed23]

We will blow India to pieces and call it a day.

Just Kidding, no chance of a war but USA can starve Pakistani's like it did with North Korea and to some extent Iran, there's no escaping this I'm sorry. 30+ years of decline cannot be resolved just within a few days. USA probably knows more about Pakistan's weaknesses than Pakistan's own government, there are some electro magnetic devices that can take care of all nuclear switches in Pak within seconds. US army tech is on another level itself.

 

[bond]

As long as the economic dominance of USA & reign of Dollar continues, no country can mess with USA.

Not China, not Russia, not Europe - no one. Lets not even talk about Pakistan or India for that matter.

 

[bond]

On topic, re: military conflict between USA & Pakistan:
- Pakistan military will be completely incapacitated rapidly.
What will remain is small armed struggle like Taliban in Afghanistan.

No China will not (not that it will be able to) do much.

 

[Syed1]

We will probably get smashed to smithereens but not before we lob a few nukes here or there

 

[Itachi]

Why USA didn't use nuclear weapon in Vietnam war? Vietnam certainly isn't like Pakistan with nuclear weapon....

I am sad to see PP turinijg into those defense forums where the kids gloating about nuclear weapons without taking any repercussions in consideration.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Contrary to popular opinion here I don't think India will ever join hands with the US to invade Pakistan. We look to secure our own borders and protect our interests but war s are costly and a destabilised Pakistan is the last thing GOI would want.

 

[Mamoon]

Looks like some people read the OP.

The question is, what happens if there is a military conflict between Pakistan and America.

Providing reasons why it cannot happen is not the answer to this question.

Nonetheless, if a war takes place between the big bad guy and the custodians of the ummah, I expect angels to descend from the Heavens and fight alongside our jawaan in Badr style.

 

[B_Positive]

Contrary to popular opinion here I don't think India will ever join hands with the US to invade Pakistan. We look to secure our own borders and protect our interests but war s are costly and a destabilised Pakistan is the last thing GOI would want.

Pretty sure you won't be invading Pakistan because you can't. But will you be helping us? Or will you keep silent watching us struggle.

 

[BlackShadow]

China will condemn the attack and do nothing. India will enjoy the show with some popcorns. And Pakistan will play the nuclear card for a week before falling to it's knees in an undisclosed settlement where a lot of ghairat will be compromised.

 

[BlackShadow]

Pretty sure you won't be invading Pakistan because you can't. But will you be helping us? Or will you keep silent watching us struggle.

India will keep silent and watch Pakistan struggle.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Pretty sure you won't be invading Pakistan because you can't. But will you be helping us? Or will you keep silent watching us struggle.

If the US is invading Pakistan, then you have much bigger problems at hand . We can't invade our own. We can invade as part of an alliance with the US but I doubt even Modi led GOI would do that. Being thousands of miles away, the US is not directly affected by any of the wars it starts. We can't say the same for India and the destabilised neighbourhood would affect us more . We would have civilians flee Pakistan to try and enter India and that we cannot afford. Also I don't think GOI would want to provoke aggression from China or ruin relations with Russia. Most likely scenario, we close borders and limit the damage to ourselves. No way would India support Pakistan especially if America is hell bent on bombing you No country would.

 

[blackanhyellow]

I firmly believe China will step in eventually.

Pakistan is of great strategic value to China.

CPEC is just one aspect of the strategic value. Pakistan also extends China's influence in the region and beyond. It keeps India in check as an added bonus.

Not saying China will attack USA, they would never do that for Pakistan.

But however they may move their navy along Pakistan's coast and move some troops to strategic locations. This may cause Americans to stop their attacks.

Anyways, the only war that USA can fight in Pakistan is aerial bombardment or by proxies. Actually this would be the only war they would need to fight as this alone would decimate Pakistan.

However, I dont think they would be willing to invade, if they thought Afghanistan was bad, Pakistan is 6 times the population with a strong military (not paper tigers like Iraq and other arab nations) and the tribal people are armed to their teeth. Any invasion would be suicide.

 

[batnbowl]

USA is stopping our aid. They are not even giving the money they owe us. They are constantly pressurizing us be it FATF front, Iran, Afgan or economically destabilization. They constantly tell us to "DO MORE". They bring issues in CPEC and asks IMF to stop our money. Even though I dont want but if there is some military conflict between US and us like they did in Iraq, what will happen? Will Russia and China help us? And what will India do? Will they help us because we are their neighbors and it may be harmful for them too or will they just keep silent? Or will Pak and US relations improve because I dont see them happening.

\correction - it it THEIR Aid to Pakistan - Pakistan has no RIGHT over it.

Perhaps its time for Pakistan to learn to be self sufficient rather than living off handouts....?

 

[Robert]

There won’t be any such attack.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Quite in contrary to your username but it will never happen. Nobody messes with nuclear powers. It isn't in their benefit and if such a thing were to happen the first nukes will be launched in the direction of their favorite ally/allies if nothing else. So to repeat myself, never going to happen, unless its a MAD scenario.

While a war isnt happening. But USA wont be deterred by Pakistan's nukes. Pakistani nukes cant reach USA or any of its european allies.

While US and Nato nukes can reach Pakistan from any part of the world.

But the question isnt even that. US's problem with Pakistan is Pakistan's support to terror groups attacking the US. Will Pakistan risk a war with the US to protect these terror groups. Will Pakistan risk MAD to protect these groups?

Isnt the strategic reason for using these groups is that they are low cost and expendable.

 

[Hitman]

Pretty sure you won't be invading Pakistan because you can't. But will you be helping us? Or will you keep silent watching us struggle.

Why would any country mess with the US let alone a struggling country like India? And that too for the sake of India's biggest enemy country?

 

[Greenstorm]

Range is till Jordan. Israel is not in our range.

Are you sure ? Jordan is few hundred kilometers from Israel.

 

[Asim_khan]

Rizvi is undefeated, 3-0, America doesn't want it with him.

But aside from that I can't see it happening, but I'd guess India would jump in, as would Afghanistan, China would turn their back and we'd lose badly. Punjab and Sindh handed over to India, Balochistan & KPK/Fata to Afghanistan.

And that's when the fun will really begin. And once the fun is, Pakistan will be back

 

[B_Positive]

Are you sure ? Jordan is few hundred kilometers from Israel.

yes i am sure. our range covers jordan but not israel

 

[Greenstorm]

yes i am sure. our range covers jordan but not israel

Well it does not make sense. Why can't we increase our range by another 100 Km.

 

[BlackShadow]

Well it does not make sense. Why can't we increase our range by another 100 Km.

Countries tend to understate their missile capabilities when it comes to distance. Helps them fly under the radar and avoid objection from some key nations.

 

[Madplayer]

Might culminate into world war 3 with nukes flying all around.

 

[Madplayer]

Well it does not make sense. Why can't we increase our range by another 100 Km.

Because Pakistan will launch them from AFG or Iran.

 

[Wonderwoman]

Quite in contrary to your username but it will never happen. Nobody messes with nuclear powers. It isn't in their benefit and if such a thing were to happen the first nukes will be launched in the direction of their favorite ally/allies if nothing else. So to repeat myself, never going to happen, unless its a MAD scenario.

Kargil War happened. Mumbai attacks happened.

 

[noonebetterthanPappu]

Might culminate into world war 3 with nukes flying all around.

Why WW3 starts because Pakistan got attacked?

 

[BlackShadow]

Might culminate into world war 3 with nukes flying all around.

World War 3 between two nations?

 

[DeadBall]

Kargil War happened. Mumbai attacks happened.

Are you comparing a war to a terrorist attack? Anyway such skirmishes happen to keep the Army relevant, nobody is dumb enough to go nuclear.

 

[B_Positive]

Are you comparing a war to a terrorist attack? Anyway such skirmishes happen to keep the Army relevant, nobody is dumb enough to go nuclear.

Kargil war was not a terrorist attack or a skirmish. Skirmishes are the LOC violations not a war.

 

[Madplayer]

Why WW3 starts because Pakistan got attacked?

World War 3 between two nations?

Its more complicated than you think. Other nations get involved when two nuclear powers are at logger heads in their backyard.

 

[noonebetterthanPappu]

Its more complicated than you think. Other nations get involved when two nuclear powers are at logger heads in their backyard.

Why other nations will involve if US attacks Pakistan? US have the biggest Military force in world.What benefits other nations will gain starting WW3 when their own people will get affected by participating in others war?

 

[BlackShadow]

Its more complicated than you think. Other nations get involved when two nuclear powers are at logger heads in their backyard.

More likely to be a diplomatic crisis than anything else. India and Israel would stay out of it, while even many (or all) of NATO allies will pull back. Same with China, they would never enter a war against USA for a 3rd country. WW3 is out of question.

 

[noonebetterthanPappu]

More likely to be a diplomatic crisis than anything else. India and Israel would stay out of it, while even many (or all) of NATO allies will pull back. Same with China, they would never enter a war against USA for a 3rd country. WW3 is out of question.

Even Saudi will not pick Pakistan over US.

 

[Madplayer]

Why other nations will involve if US attacks Pakistan? US have the biggest Military force in world.What benefits other nations will gain starting WW3 when their own people will get affected by participating in others war?

More likely to be a diplomatic crisis than anything else. India and Israel would stay out of it, while even many (or all) of NATO allies will pull back. Same with China, they would never enter a war against USA for a 3rd country. WW3 is out of question.

I am sorry but do you guys live in a vacuum where your actions have no effect on others?
You think with a potential nuclear escalation in the region, countries like China and Russia would just keep mute especially when China has billions worth of assets invested in Pakistan? Not to mention that a nuclear escalation in this modern era would bring doom to all neighbours including India.

For these precise reasons i think we will never see a military escalation between US and Pak unless one of them dismantles the nuclear weapons.

 

[Hitman]

Why other nations will involve if US attacks Pakistan? US have the biggest Military force in world.What benefits other nations will gain starting WW3 when their own people will get affected by participating in others war?

America's defense budget for 2017 was $850 billion odd. And people believe that any country would dare to mess with them for the sake of Pakistan )

 

[noonebetterthanPappu]

I am sorry but do you guys live in a vacuum where your actions have no effect on others?
You think with a potential nuclear escalation in the region, countries like China and Russia would just keep mute especially when China has billions worth of assets invested in Pakistan? Not to mention that a nuclear escalation in this modern era would bring doom to all neighbours including India.

For these precise reasons i think we will never see a military escalation between US and Pak unless one of them dismantles the nuclear weapons.

Lol..just for few billions in Pakistan China is not going to get its trillions of dollar economy get destroyed.

 

[AMSS]

Quite in contrary to your username but it will never happen. Nobody messes with nuclear powers. It isn't in their benefit and if such a thing were to happen the first nukes will be launched in the direction of their favorite ally/allies if nothing else. So to repeat myself, never going to happen, unless its a MAD scenario.

Stirring stuff.

This was the stuff of my nightmares when US launched drone strikes against targets in Pakistan with absolute impunity. I expected Pakistan to show the world what it means to take on a "aitami taqat". Instead, all we saw was beggary and pleading to USA to halt the strikes.

Ditto with the SEALS strike to kill Osama. Arrived right at the heart of military academy in kakul and got what they want at the force of gun point. Sovereignty violated through every orifice.

Nevertheless, I am sure you are right and US would be browning their pants at the thought of taking on Pakistan next time.

 

[Slim]

China will condemn the attack and do nothing. India will enjoy the show with some popcorns. And Pakistan will play the nuclear card for a week before falling to it's knees in an undisclosed settlement where a lot of ghairat will be compromised.

Although, i do see your point, something similar happened in 1971 but i believe that China of now is different from the China in 1971. They are a global player now and want to challenge USA at every front. I believe that they would definitely intervene for their own sake.

 

[Slim]

\correction - it it THEIR Aid to Pakistan - Pakistan has no RIGHT over it.

Perhaps its time for Pakistan to learn to be self sufficient rather than living off handouts....?

Correction - the funds that USA has stopped are not AID and actually owed to Pakistan for WOT.

 

[Mamoon]

I firmly believe China will step in eventually.

Pakistan is of great strategic value to China.

CPEC is just one aspect of the strategic value. Pakistan also extends China's influence in the region and beyond. It keeps India in check as an added bonus.

Not saying China will attack USA, they would never do that for Pakistan.

But however they may move their navy along Pakistan's coast and move some troops to strategic locations. This may cause Americans to stop their attacks.

Anyways, the only war that USA can fight in Pakistan is aerial bombardment or by proxies. Actually this would be the only war they would need to fight as this alone would decimate Pakistan.

However, I dont think they would be willing to invade, if they thought Afghanistan was bad, Pakistan is 6 times the population with a strong military (not paper tigers like Iraq and other arab nations) and the tribal people are armed to their teeth. Any invasion would be suicide.

We are a colony of China, of course they will step in.

 

[BlackShadow]

Although, i do see your point, something similar happened in 1971 but i believe that China of now is different from the China in 1971. They are a global player now and want to challenge USA at every front. I believe that they would definitely intervene for their own sake.

China's relationship with the US has evolved over the decades. While they do have trade and diplomatic squabbles every now and then, what stays constant is their mutual interests. They are worth trillions to each other, and some puny 50 billion dollar project in Pakistan or all these defence agreements with India are not going to change that.

The intervention you talk about will always be diplomatic, specially when it comes to defending Pakistan.

 

[Slim]

China's relationship with the US has evolved over the decades. While they do have trade and diplomatic squabbles every now and then, what stays constant is their mutual interests. They are worth trillions to each other, and some puny 50 billion dollar project in Pakistan or all these defence agreements with India are not going to change that.

The intervention you talk about will always be diplomatic, specially when it comes to defending Pakistan.

They do have issues over the Red China Sea.

However, i agree that the intervention would be diplomatic.

 

[Madplayer]

Lol..just for few billions in Pakistan China is not going to get its trillions of dollar economy get destroyed.

You seem quite naive when it comes to international relations. India confronted China for an irrelevant country that Bhutan is and risked an escalation at Dokhlam yet you believe that Pakistan's neighbours, some of which are its allies, will not confront USA if there is a possibility of a nuclear escalation. Nice.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Even Saudi will not pick Pakistan over US.

If we are now doing reality checks, Saudi won't need to pick one or the other as they will all remain in the same camp anyway. US has considered Saudi Arabia and Pakistan as regional allies for half a century, when push comes to shove that will most probably remain the case for a good while yet.

 

[noonebetterthanPappu]

You seem quite naive when it comes to international relations. India confronted China for an irrelevant country that Bhutan is and risked an escalation at Dokhlam yet you believe that Pakistan's neighbours, some of which are its allies, will not confront USA if there is a possibility of a nuclear escalation. Nice.

You call others naive when you are comparing random things

 

[noonebetterthanPappu]

If we are now doing reality checks, Saudi won't need to pick one or the other as they will all remain in the same camp anyway. US has considered Saudi Arabia and Pakistan as regional allies for half a century, when push comes to shove that will most probably remain the case for a good while yet.

Same thing i said,Saudi will just stay away if US attacked Pakistan.

 

[Greenstorm]

China will definitely get involved if such a situation arises not because out of love for Pakistanis but to protect there own national interests. Existence of nuclear Pakistan is very important for China because it serves as a deterrence against Indian and American hegemony in the region.

Additionally, just like USA, China will not want to fight wars on its own land so it will have to intervene. Russia's involvement in Syria is a recent example.

 

[noonebetterthanPappu]

China will definitely get involved if such a situation arises not because out of love for Pakistanis but to protect there own national interests. Existence of nuclear Pakistan is very important for China because it serves as a deterrence against Indian and American hegemony in the region.

Additionally, just like USA, China will not want to fight wars on its own land so it will have to intervene. Russia's involvement in Syria is a recent example.

Involving in a war with US will cost a lot to China compared to its interests in Pakistan.

 

[the Great Khan]

ok lets take these extremely hypothetical situation. Lets say the US declares war on Pakistan. For this to occur it must first destroy Pakistan's Nuclear arsenal.

Once they have done that through whatever covert means they can, they will initiate a coup within the Pakistan army that will cause a civil war. Once that has occurred they will join up with the PA faction they are supporting, along with india and other allies, and invade the Punjab. They will also try and get to the ports as soon as possible. The faction that is against them will recieve support from the Russians and the Chinese and will take the western side of Pakistan. Inbetween they will support miltant groups to carry out bombings and attacks on civilians. India and the US will conduct airstrikes against PA targets (the faction against them) and other countries like those from europe will probably take over Islamabad.

They will justify the war by portraying the against faction as enemies of peace and justice. Iran will also get involved from the west. A pliant PM will be found probably a sharif or Bilawal bhutto type character. The Indians will enter Pakistan and look to take over Lahore and the Sikh religious sites while also look to cut off Sindh. All under the proviso of humanitarian aid..

In the end tens of thousands of pakistanis will become refugess in afghanistan and Iran where our women would be sold into prostitution and children to peodophile rings. The elite would run off into exile in London and the west where they would support one faction or the other. People like rizvi and co would establish jihad militia to "protect" the deen..Neighbourhoods like F7 or Gulshan Iqbal would become hell holes with rubbish piled up everywhere and dead bodies in the streets as American Humv's patrol..

Peshawar and the northern areas would be where the anti american faction would begin their fightback.

This is how america would and can destroy Pakistan.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Same thing i said,Saudi will just stay away if US attacked Pakistan.

For that matter Pakistan would probably stay away if US attacked Saudi Arabia.

 

[noonebetterthanPappu]

For that matter Pakistan would probably stay away if US attacked Saudi Arabia.

Obviously.But chances of US attacking Pakistan is far more than they attacking Saudi.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Obviously.But chances of US attacking Pakistan is far more than they attacking Saudi.

Obviously, but it's like saying chances of US attacking Turkey is far more likely than they will attack Israel. Neither is going to happen in reality as Turkey, like Pakistan is still a US ally. Pakistan is too smart to antagonise the US and will continue to try to accommodate American policy as much as they can without compromising their own position.

 

[Romali_rotti]

ok lets take these extremely hypothetical situation. Lets say the US declares war on Pakistan. For this to occur it must first destroy Pakistan's Nuclear arsenal.

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Totally disagree with the highlighted bit... Pakistan's nuclear arsenal holds no threat to the US. Pakistan does not have the missile capable to getting to the US by distance even if they did there would no way be able to penetrate through the American missile shield via land missiles/satellite.. If US wanted to tear Pakistan into whatever they felt, the could easily do it...

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Totally disagree with the highlighted bit... Pakistan's nuclear arsenal holds no threat to the US. Pakistan does not have the missile capable to getting to the US by distance even if they did there would no way be able to penetrate through the American missile shield via land missiles/satellite.. If US wanted to tear Pakistan into whatever they felt, the could easily do it...

If you read the thread through, people aren't claiming Pakistan nukes will be a threat to US, but they could be to other US allies in the region. All major powers have financial investment in Asia, nukes going off isn't something anyone wants to risk including US.

 

[noonebetterthanPappu]

If you read the thread through, people aren't claiming Pakistan nukes will be a threat to US, but they could be to other US allies in the region. All major powers have financial investment in Asia, nukes going off isn't something anyone wants to risk including US.

SA buys billions of dollars of arms from US...Pakistan doesn't have such clout except for giving support in Afghanistan.

Any way this is just hypothetical questions so we can only guess based on current Military/Economical/diplomatic capabilities.

 

[noonebetterthanPappu]

If you read the thread through, people aren't claiming Pakistan nukes will be a threat to US, but they could be to other US allies in the region. All major powers have financial investment in Asia, nukes going off isn't something anyone wants to risk including US.

Are you saying if US attacks Pakistan,Pakistan will in turn nuke US allies?

 

[BlackShadow]

Are you saying if US attacks Pakistan,Pakistan will in turn nuke US allies?

That's the reason why countries such as North Korea and Pakistan having nukes is dangerous to the world. Those weapons are going to be a blackmailing tool in the future. In a few year's time, their foreign office may release statements like "Help us fight America, or we nuke you!" or "Build our dams, or we blow you up!", etc.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

US now never fights people who can fight back..... they always opt to neutralise till it poses no major military threat, then invade.

US hasn't been able to tame North Korea, who openly threatens them.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

SA buys billions of dollars of arms from US...Pakistan doesn't have such clout except for giving support in Afghanistan.

Any way this is just hypothetical questions so we can only guess based on current Military/Economical/diplomatic capabilities.

USA has long standing interests in the region, not just Afghanistan, Pakistan has been important for the US regionally since the 60's. That isn't likely to change in a hurry, hence the US is in talks to deal with the Taliban, partnership with Pakistan and co-operation militarily for so many decades etc.

Are you saying if US attacks Pakistan,Pakistan will in turn nuke US allies?

I'm saying if you are heavily invested in the region like US is, they would think twice about attacking a nuclear power because the fallout would be lethal if nukes were unleashed in the vicinity.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

That's the reason why countries such as North Korea and Pakistan having nukes is dangerous to the world. Those weapons are going to be a blackmailing tool in the future. In a few year's time, their foreign office may release statements like "Help us fight America, or we nuke you!" or "Build our dams, or we blow you up!", etc.

Lol@ Indian logic..... pitty the indoctrination!!

 

[the Great Khan]

Totally disagree with the highlighted bit... Pakistan's nuclear arsenal holds no threat to the US. Pakistan does not have the missile capable to getting to the US by distance even if they did there would no way be able to penetrate through the American missile shield via land missiles/satellite.. If US wanted to tear Pakistan into whatever they felt, the could easily do it...

We would not fire it at the US..We would fire it at New Delhi..Knowing that there would be a response from your side. Thus igniting a thermonuclear war that will kill half the worlds population. The US can then rule a planet of dust and ash.

 

[BlackShadow]

Lol@ Indian logic..... pitty the indoctrination!!

Not indoctrination when most hypothetical war-games end with Pakistan pressing the nuclear button. I am sure there are better options than self-destruction.

 

[the Great Khan]

That's the reason why countries such as North Korea and Pakistan having nukes is dangerous to the world. Those weapons are going to be a blackmailing tool in the future. In a few year's time, their foreign office may release statements like "Help us fight America, or we nuke you!" or "Build our dams, or we blow you up!", etc.

you say blackmail we say detterrence. What these weapons allow us to do is say "you can try to grind us into dust but there wont be anything left of you either" ..when the US used its nukes as a deterrence nobody talked about blackmail. Pakistan has never used its weapons in such a way and will never..fascist right wing nutjobs on the other hand have a tendency to threaten other nations..just see Netanyahu's trip to Dimona where he threatened the whole Muslim world with Nukes..

 

[the Great Khan]

Are you saying if US attacks Pakistan,Pakistan will in turn nuke US allies?

If in a hypothetical scenario the US were to attack Pakistan like it did say Iraq then all bets are off. There is one thing the Indian military understands full well about Pakistan and that is its conviction. If we see that we are done for, we will go down and take many many with us. That is why there hasnt been a war since 1971.

 

[BlackShadow]

you say blackmail we say detterrence. What these weapons allow us to do is say "you can try to grind us into dust but there wont be anything left of you either" ..when the US used its nukes as a deterrence nobody talked about blackmail. Pakistan has never used its weapons in such a way and will never..fascist right wing nutjobs on the other hand have a tendency to threaten other nations..just see Netanyahu's trip to Dimona where he threatened the whole Muslim world with Nukes..

Ok, but here we have an America-Pakistan war scenario, where the popular deterrence seems to be not an attack on America, but a threat to their South Asian/Middle East allies. Sounds very unfair from an Indian perspective.