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What if Pakistan wins the Asia Cup final?

The only thing bad today was fielders and top 3 batsmen. I can't blame these bowlers. India knew they only needed 230 to win.
 
Oh please Pak is not gonna win the final. Why do we create such threads? It comes to bite us in the behind and take a chunk right off :sanga
 
You shouldn't forget about the performances. But it will also depend if we can get to the final. The are massive areas in our game we need to work on. Mickey, Azhar, Grant Flower and Grant Bradburn have a lot of work to do.
 
Yes, Pak can win in finals if they get through the openers early on. The middle order is absolutely terrible and I am surprised they haven't been exposed yet in a single match.
 
They will surely beat India..they have all the firepower to beat
 
I think we need to divert our attention to beating Bangladesh first, because at the moment it seems that they might even roll us over.
 
In CT they had sort of a run against 3 teams. I am not sure they have it here. Pakistan relies on individual brilliance once again. May be Fakhar Zaman.
 
Why not? If Pakistan can take 2-3 early wickets then India will find it hard to chase 250. Everyday, two Indian openers are not going to hit tons.
 
Pakistan playing some of their worst cricket somehow manages to win the final against the team which thrashed them twice in a week. Yeah that will be a fluke. I'll be absolutely ecstatic over the win but that will be a fluke, no doubt whatsoever.
 
It would be a fluke, yet again. Pakistan struggled against Afghanistan and lost to India on a couple of occasions in a single-sided affair. Too many issues, neither the batting nor the bowling have a settled unit.
 
Pak has the ingredients to beat this old Indian team.

Rohit and Dhawan are not going to play like this 3 times straight against Pak. There is a chance both will flop in the finals.

Hasan Ali is bowing like Dinda and Amir is not bowling to his potential. If these 2 can get it right, then Pak can definitely win m this.
 
Its simple, get openers out cheaply and win the match. Our middle order can't take any pressure. I hope we don't get thrashed badly like CT final.
 
Pakistan will not be able to beat Bangladesh with this kind of approach. So you can forget about the final.
 
troodon said:
Pak has the ingredients to beat this old Indian team.

Rohit and Dhawan are not going to play like this 3 times straight against Pak. There is a chance both will flop in the finals.

Hasan Ali is bowing like Dinda and Amir is not bowling to his potential. If these 2 can get it right, then Pak can definitely win m this.
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More than bowling we need to learn how to catch. Amir and Shaheen both created chances off Rohit but sadly Pakistan fielders seem to have forgotten how to catch.
 
But I can honestly see, if we win the final, us gloating about another trophy.

All the weaknesses will disappear overnight.

Winning always does that.
 
Yes. But I don't know how? Can't score 300+ without fakhar. And can't chase a high score. Fingers crossed 3rd time lucky? Final specialists lol I hope.
 
I fully expected Pakistan to steamroll this Indian team. They just didn't turn up. Hasan Ali is such a wannabe if i was the skipper i would pick him up by the collar and throw that wannabe chain he wears away and ask him to be a man.
 
Even if they do by raw talent of one or two players, it wont hide the inconsistency and lack of hardwork and professionalism. Yes these are controlable factors but need to be improved to become a top 3 side in ODIs
 
I would love Pakistan to beat India in the Final and take the trophy. But it'll be a fluke for sure.
 
El Generico said:
More than bowling we need to learn how to catch. Amir and Shaheen both created chances off Rohit but sadly Pakistan fielders seem to have forgotten how to catch.
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Its Sarfaraz's constant shouting, abusing and throwing tantrums on ground responsible for drop catches. He really needs to chill down a notch or two.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
I fully expected Pakistan to steamroll this Indian team. They just didn't turn up. Hasan Ali is such a wannabe if i was the skipper i would pick him up by the collar and throw that wannabe chain he wears away and ask him to be a man.
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Agreed, if you wanna go for some sort of style I dont mind but not at the expense of your profession. Its been problem of last gen of Pak players eg Umar Akmal, Ahmed Shehzad, Nasir Jamshed etc that after one or two performances they are over the moon and dont keep their head grounded.

Hopefully these young players will learn and understand the importance of hard work and not be de tracked
 
One thing is for sure they need to take their catches, and convert dot balls to singles if we are to have any chance.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
But I can honestly see, if we win the final, us gloating about another trophy.

All the weaknesses will disappear overnight.

Winning always does that.
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No it should not, even after CT 17 some of us who were really happy bcz boys won knew that it was because of natural skill or talent and not becz of their work ethics.

There are many things of this Pak teams that need to be sorted out in the background
 
Pakistan can beat India now and then , but that does not mean Pakistan is better than India. If pakistan wants to improve its long term performances , they need to improve. This way fluke wins here and there is making things worse for them
 
Titan24 said:
No it should not, even after CT 17 some of us who were really happy bcz boys won knew that it was because of natural skill or talent and not becz of their work ethics.

There are many things of this Pak teams that need to be sorted out in the background
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Definitely "class" is not one of those, so a little less headache.
 
Pakistan beating India in the final doesn't automatically make it a fluke. A fluke win, to me, would be something like: India scoring 265 and Pakistan winning by 1 wicket in the last over. If Pakistan happen to thrash them in the final then, simply put, it would be a matter of them playing better than India on the day (just like the CT17 final).

However, if Pakistan beat India, they shouldn't be content with their performances and their capabilities as players and say "all in a day's work, until next series!". They should still study hard on what cracks in their armory need to be fixed, what needs to be enhanced, etc. They should have the mentality of "being good isn't good enough", "the sky is the limit", etc. For example, Shadab is a very good leg-spinner, but he should be going beyond just bowling leggies and googlies and try adding flippers and top spinners so he can really befuddle the batsmen.
 
Do whatever just expose our middle order, we want to do well in WC.
 
Not happening. Pakistani players can’t even imagine winning against India, let alone actually doing it. The most mentally inferior team.
Hong Kong gave India a much better fight than Pakistan in both matches.
 
Pak will win final by 80-100 runs or by 7-8 wkts. India’s run of fluke wins is about to end.
 
Pakistan might as well win it but it will still not make them a better team than India. India are the best team from Asia, no matter what happens in the finals.
 
Think we need to get rid of Amir and bring in Shaheen to target India's top order then let Hasan, Shadab, etc. expose their middle order.

I don't think Amir can exploit the chink in the Indian opener's armour in these conditions at least.
 
giri26 said:
Pakistan might as well win it but it will still not make them a better team than India. India are the best team from Asia, no matter what happens in the finals.
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I wouldn't have agreed to it before Asia cup had started, but after seeing performances so far, this seems to be a fair assessment.

Also, it doesn't look like Pakistani players are mentally there to be able to win final.
 
giri26 said:
Pakistan might as well win it but it will still not make them a better team than India. India are the best team from Asia, no matter what happens in the finals.
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Completely agreed, Pak winning the finals just means Pak won 1 match. India would stomp them 80% of the matches otherwise. Any experienced team can win a finale, but for actual consistency you need skill which Pak team lacks compared to India.
 
If PCT wins asia cup,I will believe all this talk of hard work in nets,executing our skills.A lot depends on fakhar
 
What if Pakistan wins the Asia Cup final?

The whole Pakistani team will treated like Kings.
Heads will roll in the Indian Team.

The usual
 
It will be a fluke, just like the champions trophy fluke.

And, it WILL happen.

Dr_Bassim said:
I think we need to divert our attention to beating Bangladesh first, because at the moment it seems that they might even roll us over.
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Worry not, Pak will always end up beating Ban and Afg as there's no mental block against them.
 
Oligochaetes said:
What if Pakistan wins the Asia Cup final?

The whole Pakistani team will treated like Kings.
Heads will roll in the Indian Team.

The usual
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If India wins Asia Cup then they won't be treated any better than they're now. For Pakistan it will be all doom and gloom. Pakistan needs to start performing better against better teams. They got pasted in NZ and two matches against India in Asia Cup. That's 7 match in a row against top teams. Pak has to show it's not on the level of current Aus, Ban or SL, WI and Afg
 
If Pakistan Win the Asia cup, it'll be like a racing game where all the cars leading crash and then the last fella sneaks in lolz.

Will be extremely undeserved.
 
Good, however, we should still address the ELEPHANT in the room.

1. Sarfraz needs a challenge in odi's, bring in an up and coming prospect to keep him from being relaxed
2. Mentality and approach of team and the management
3. Find more complete batsmen and give them a shot, current lot has no one to write home about.
4. Ignore wrist slitters 😉
 
Don't panic, Pakistan are winning this final, Fakhar's found some new spikes on amazon with next day delivery, problem sorted!
 
Many people are not aware of history here.

Back in 1997-98 Carlton and United Series in Australia.

Australia lost 5 consecutive ODI Matches against South Africa (4 group stage plus 1st Final)
However Australia under steve waugh managed to win 2nd and 3rd final.

Australia won the tournament in Feb 1998. although overall score was 5-2.

6 months later Australians beat South africa in that famous tied 1999 semi final. Not many ppl are aware that south africans were mentally suffering from that 1998 3rd final defeat despite winning 5 times.
 
Sarwar89 said:
Many people are not aware of history here.

Back in 1997-98 Carlton and United Series in Australia.

Australia lost 5 consecutive ODI Matches against South Africa (4 group stage plus 1st Final)
However Australia under steve waugh managed to win 2nd and 3rd final.

Australia won the tournament in Feb 1998. although overall score was 5-2.

6 months later Australians beat South africa in that famous tied 1999 semi final. Not many ppl are aware that south africans were mentally suffering from that 1998 3rd final defeat despite winning 5 times.
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1 year and 6 months later (correction)
 
I will still give Pakistan a chance but only if they hammer Bangladesh on the 26th.

I'm not talking about the kind of victory they had against Afghanistan. They need to thrash Bangladesh by atleast six wickets, and if chasing, score the winning runs with at least ten overs to spare.

Only that kind of win can bring back Pakistan's team spirit. Anything short of that and it will be defeat no 3 for Pakistan at the hands of India in this tournament.
 
Anything can happen in cricket, especially when it comes to Pakistan but I am afraid these wickets are tailor made for the Indians. We always wondered on our home turf whether we could beat India in good spin conditions and its clear India is superior to us. Pakistan has made a huge blunder by playing 3 quick bowlers. These is our home and we have forgotten our winning formula.
 
and we paper over all the cracks? I think this is a good tournament to assess our strengths and weaknesses keeping in mind the upcoming world cup and build a team suitable to play in England. However, if we somehow end up winning this tournament then I fear we will ignore all the issues in the team and keep playing as is without fixing our problems.
 
Then Asia Cup 2018 will become only the second tournament of any significance played in the last decade or so after Champions Trophy 2017. If Pakistan lose, the latter will remain the only one.
 
Oligochaetes said:
What if Pakistan wins the Asia Cup final?

The whole Pakistani team will treated like Kings.
Heads will roll in the Indian Team.

The usual
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Disagree.

When it comes to India-Pak encounters, cups, formats etc. doesn't matter. They are a minor distraction only.

To me, India has won this mini ODI series with Pakistan 2-1 or 3-0 (assuming you reach the final). You can win the last one and take a cup home, but to a normal India fan like me, it matters not.
 
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A win is not a fluke unless they get lucky in a few crucial moments in the game. If Pakistan wins the final, it means they have played better cricket than India in that particular game.

I would prefer a 3 match finals.
 
The problems will still remain, largely Sarfraz and his place in the side. Then it comes down to why the bowlers have all of a sudden lost their confidence? They look listless apart from Afridi and even then that kid has had so many catches dropped off him you wonder how long he can stay strong. Then there is the issue of why Hussain Talat was not included and what is the point of Haris Sohail?
 
Asia Cup will then become the second most prestigious tournament in cricket after CT. WC comes a distant fourth after Kitply cup.
 
A fluke Asia Cup final win will disguise the flaws of this team. You could argue it would do more harm than good.
 
It's all about who will have the bragging rights till these two teams meet again next year in England..
 
If Pakistan won the final, I will start believing flukes do happen in ODI too, not just T20
 
troodon said:
Pak has the ingredients to beat this old Indian team.

Rohit and Dhawan are not going to play like this 3 times straight against Pak. There is a chance both will flop in the finals.

Hasan Ali is bowing like Dinda and Amir is not bowling to his potential. If these 2 can get it right, then Pak can definitely win m this.
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We just need 250 and 2 wickets in the first 6 overs.
I don't think that is totally impossible. Bring it on
 
Thatsgold said:
If Pakistan Win the Asia cup, it'll be like a racing game where all the cars leading crash and then the last fella sneaks in lolz.

Will be extremely undeserved.
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No it wouldn't. We would just say that fakhar dismissal and the Rohit drop turned game 2
 
Sarfraz will reach Khan's level, might even cross him as Imran didn't win Asia Cup ever.
 
What if we fluke the final?

Would be the most hilarious result of all time for me. Anyone else think we can do it? Just need Fakhar to fire once and that's it.
 
I wouldn't necessarily call it a fluke. Losing twice to a team and beating them in a third match doesn't make it a fluke. But it would be funny and satisfying to finally win and that too in the final v India. Fakhar is overdue a long innings, perhaps he arrives just on time.
 
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