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What in the world: No Mohammad Abbas for the first Test vs Australia?

Right decision to bench Mohammad Abbas for the first Tests?


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How can you leave him out for Imran Khan, even if he had taken 10 wickets in the last game; that makes no sense at any level? I thought he bowled well in the last game?

What are your thoughts?

One one end I am happy to see Naseem Shah being picked but this is just pure crazy!

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Imran should not have played over abbas..

Misbah is picking his friends here
 
If he was Misbah's friend, why was he out all this time? To be fair, under Misbah, he did perform rather well!

But, yes, in a normal non-Pakistani world, this would never happen i.e. Imran for Abbas
 
Stop the meltdown.

He's a harmless trundler, you'd be lucky to get more than 129kph out of his bowling. What are you even thinking?

You've forgotten how he got clobbered in SA. Warner will eat him alive. Aus is even worse for his type of bowling.

There's not a lot of difference in how IK and Abbas bowl. But, IK is doing much better than Abbas. He's the right pick.
 
Misbah’s friend?

How can you lot say Misbah chose his buddy when Misbah is the one who fast tracked Abbas in the test side when Misbah was the captain?

Relax with the negativity and enjoy/support the “team.”
 
Misbah’s friend?

How can you lot say Misbah chose his buddy when Misbah is the one who fast tracked Abbas in the test side when Misbah was the captain?

Relax with the negativity and enjoy/support the “team.”

Exactly. Abbas is playing international cricket because Misbah got him into the team. Knows him from the domestic scene.

Some people have this feeling that Abbas is a vastly superior, skilled bowler than IK. Which is wrong.

Both are very similar type of bowlers. IK has more pace though. And right now he's the in form bowler. You could go with any from these two.

In an ideal world, you'd have someone superior than both IK/Abbas, but we don't have those bowlers.
 
Stop the meltdown.

He's a harmless trundler, you'd be lucky to get more than 129kph out of his bowling. What are you even thinking?

You've forgotten how he got clobbered in SA. Warner will eat him alive. Aus is even worse for his type of bowling.

There's not a lot of difference in how IK and Abbas bowl. But, IK is doing much better than Abbas. He's the right pick.

This. Thread is incredibly over dramatic.
 
Abbas did not deserved to be dropped
Well it’s done now , let’s hope we put up a good fight
 
Imran Khan is not anywhere near the level of Abbas. He can put it on a 10p coin and get the ball to talk both ways, perfect bowler for the Gabba!

Misbah is just a dumb selector/coach.
 
Form, rythm, how someone is bowling in nets and lot of things go into the selection process.

If Starc would have been Pakistani, countless threads would have been made when he wasnt selected in 4 matches of the ashes series.
 
I would have picked Abbas over Shah honestly. Shah's too young for me, it's tests in Australia. Plenty of time to debut him later. Also given that we're already playing Shaheen too, rather have had a more experienced head out there.
 
Imran khan will just trundle in from wide of the crease, won't get any LBWs or bowleds. His edges won't carry either. Abbas gives you all the above which Imran cannot. Most importantly he bowls from close to the stumps and he's a must especially with 2 other inexperienced bowlers in the line up
 
I would have picked Abbas over Shah honestly. Shah's too young for me, it's tests in Australia. Plenty of time to debut him later. Also given that we're already playing Shaheen too, rather have had a more experienced head out there.

Would have been too much of the same.

Abbas and Imran bowl the same way at almost the same pace. It was always going to be one or the other. Although, I thought they would favor Abbas after he did well in the last match.
 
If he's match fit then I'm surprised that he wasn't picked.
 
it's completely unheard of to drop a guy with abbas's record
and probably won't happen ever again. dumb as hell
 
Calm down people, it is not over for him. It is good to see such healthy exciting competition among our bowlers. If Imran fails, Abbas will surely be in the next game.
 
Good way to protect the average I suppose..
 
Just by looking at the pitch so far, can safely say that Abbas' line and length will be missed in this match.
 
Abbas’s incredible record is one thing, but he’s also the most experienced Pakistani pace bowler. Dropping him is ludicrous

They basically chose IKs bowling in a 4-day game over Abbas’s 14 tests

Dumb Misbah dumb
 
Abbas’s incredible record is one thing, but he’s also the most experienced Pakistani pace bowler. Dropping him is ludicrous

They basically chose IKs bowling in a 4-day game over Abbas’s 14 tests

Dumb Misbah dumb

yeah good point. he doesn't go for many runs and would be the perfect bowling partner for naseem on debut. this imran khan selection has just come out of nowhere on the basis of a warm-up match. shocking stuff
 
Stop the meltdown.

He's a harmless trundler, you'd be lucky to get more than 129kph out of his bowling. What are you even thinking?

You've forgotten how he got clobbered in SA. Warner will eat him alive. Aus is even worse for his type of bowling.

There's not a lot of difference in how IK and Abbas bowl. But, IK is doing much better than Abbas. He's the right pick.



Meltdown, why are you being over dramatic, as much as I like Imran Khan he is not a superior bowler to Abbas and pace difference between the two barely marginal!

I am hopeful that Imran and Pakistan will do well but Abbas is the the kind of bowler that will keep coming back at you and asking lots of questions from the batsman...Imran does not have that consitency in him I am afraid
 
Not a good decision. Even if Abbas can't take wickets he has the control to keep it tight from one end.
 
Imran khan was out of blue pick , no notable performances in the last two seasons . He is not a newbie so one can blame it to unknown factor , so questions should be asked why not tabish khan or even ehsan adil. Why imran khan? There are a few here who have made misbah their 'pir' and everything misbah does is defended with valor.
 
Misbah has made a blunder in this test. Abbass should have played over Yasir. You don't drop your best pacer after 1 bad series.

Now, the current bowling line-up has:

1. 30+ year old average pacer making his comeback
2. 19 year old playing his first test in Australia
3. Another debutante who is completely unproven
4. A spinner who averages 90+ in SENA

Then you have at least 4 part-time spin options.

Absolutely ridiculous!
 
On that Gabba track, I probably also would have taken Imran over Abbas; on top of that IKS is coming from a 5for in the only FC practice game. Abbas has lots of quality, but not sure it its useful for Australia, particularly at Gabba. Imran might surprise people here and his purpose is also defined - bowl 23 tight overs/day as first change.
 
Former Australia captain RIcky Ponting and off-spinner Nathan Lyon couldn't read much into Mohammad Abbas' omission from Pakistan's XI for the first Test in Brisbane.

Abbas has bagged 66 wickets at an impressive average of 18.86 from 14 Tests so far, and is currently Pakistan's best ranked bowler in the MRF Tyres ICC Bowling Rankings. 38 of those 66 dismissals had come in 2018, with the right-arm pacer boasting an astonishing average of 13.76 in the period. To add, his record against Australia is even more impressive, as he had bagged 17 wickets in the two Tests played in UAE last year, including a match winning 10 wicket-haul in the second game, that helped his side seal the series.

And so, with him being expected to lead the young attack, in the buildup to the Test, his exclusion from the playing eleven surprised quite a few, including those in the opposition.

"I was actually really surprised, personally," off-spinner Nathan Lyon told told cricket.com.au. "I thought the way he bowled in our series in the UAE was absolutely world class. I think he's ranked (around) the top 10 so for him to miss out, it must show the quality of the Pakistan bowling.

"So we're not going to take them lightly, that's for sure – they've got some world-class bowlers there – but yeah, very surprised that Mohammad wasn't a part of their side."

Abbas' returns on the South Africa tour earlier this year, where he could manage only five scalps from four innings at a strike-rate of 88.80 and his recent drop in pace might well have been the reason for the snub. However, Ponting, who had an unbeaten record at the venue during his own glorious captaincy career, was surprised with the call despite the 29-year-old's recent form.

"I was surprised when (Abbas) didn't play … but then talking to Rameez Raja (former Pakistan international) apparently he's not in the best of form, he's dropped a couple of yards of pace – and he's never been overly quick anyway," Ponting said. "But you think about these conditions, it would've been perfect for him. Even the next Test in Adelaide, it's going to be great conditions for him there as well.

"There's probably a couple of the Aussie batsmen who think it's good that he's not playing because I think they can probably handle the other two (Imran Khan or Shaheen Afridi) better than they can handle him."

Ponting heaped praise on the Australian bowlers, who put the hosts in a strong position at the end of day's play, bundling out the visitors for 240 in the first innings, after having lost the toss earlier.

"You've got nowhere to relax against this team," he remarked. "If you get through Hazlewood and Cummins, then (Mitchell) Starc comes back on. If you get through Starc then (Nathan) Lyon comes on and ties down one end, and that gives the other quicks time to freshen up and come again.

"So it's a good attack and I think they showed how good they are today."

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/1498257
 
Surprised, but we'll know in a few days if it was the right decision or not.
 
I would have definitely started Abbas as he is their best bowler in Test in the recent series. I have no doubt Imran will do decent, but Abbas is your mister consistent.
 
They obviously felt that Imran and Abbas couldn't be in the same team at Brisbane and as I wrote in another thread, Misbah is a big admirer of Imran.
 
Surprised, but we'll know in a few days if it was the right decision or not.

From what we know right now, if both players are fully fit, it is the WRONG decision.

I hope Imran takes a 10fer and wins us the game, but Abbas is miles better than him and if it was one out of the 2 it has to be Abbas in the eleven.
 
From what we know right now, if both players are fully fit, it is the WRONG decision.

I hope Imran takes a 10fer and wins us the game, but Abbas is miles better than him and if it was one out of the 2 it has to be Abbas in the eleven.

Not sure Abbas has the veracity for brisbane
Imran Khan senior will have just as good as a economy rate
 
Abbas lands it consistently on a six pence and can move it both ways. And the Aussies were talking about him pre match!!
IKF (Imran Khan Fake) can also do that and he's in good form and fitness. Abbas has been struggling even in 2nd division country cricket in England conditions!
 
Whilst Imran did well in the warmup, you would expect the most experienced seamer to play.

Let’s see if the decision will backfire.
 
Imran Khan had 8 wickets and an average of 49 in his last 5 FC games in Pakistan.
Lets drop him our best and most experienced fast bowler to make room for IK

sound logic Misbah, prey continue to destroy Pak cricket
 
Misbah is both Chief Selector and Head Coach.

He is 100% accountable. The buck stops with Misbah. No excuses!
 
They obviously felt that Imran and Abbas couldn't be in the same team at Brisbane and as I wrote in another thread, Misbah is a big admirer of Imran.

selecting his mate. scandalous
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Allan Border "Mohammad Abbas tormented Australia in the UAE, very surprised he wasn't used here at the Gabba. He would have been a perfect guy to be in this bowling unit" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AUSvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AUSvPAK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1197703527147159557?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Well, it's Pakistan.. Gotta keep the reputation of being unpredictable.

Even Smith said before the game that he is weary of Abbas.
 
Misbah deserves to be sacked for this decision alone

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Allan Border "Mohammad Abbas tormented Australia in the UAE, very surprised he wasn't used here at the Gabba. He would have been a perfect guy to be in this bowling unit" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AUSvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AUSvPAK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1197703527147159557?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 22, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Precisely.

Captain Halfwit has become Coach Catastrophe.
 
They obviously felt that Imran and Abbas couldn't be in the same team at Brisbane and as I wrote in another thread, Misbah is a big admirer of Imran.

selecting his mate. scandalous
It’s like watching the Incompetent General Melchett in Blackadder Goes Forth.

“Not picking our best bowler is precisely what the opposition doesn’t expect us to do. So it’s exactly what we will do!”
 
Exclusive film of Misbah working out the best strategy for the First Test.

 
IKF (Imran Khan Fake) can also do that and he's in good form and fitness. Abbas has been struggling even in 2nd division country cricket in England conditions!

Pak fans are so fickle. U do not drop your best pacer (in Punjabi we say) "avain"
Imran khan averaged 49 for 8 wickets in last 5 FC games.
 

Our fans love a good excuse because they cannot accept that we are awful. Abbas would have done nothing here just like he did nothing in South Africa or against New Zealand in the UAE.

Teams have worked him out after his honeymoon series against Australia last year and he has been struggling at lower levels as well.

He will play in the pink ball Test and do nothing, but then we will blame Misbah for denting his confidence.

There is no possible playing XI in Pakistan at the moment that can challenge Australia in Australia. We are the poster boys of mediocrity.
 
With so much talent available at their disposal, I am surprised at how Pakistan management messes selection up every single time.
 
It is a really weird selection. Ignoring Abbas’ performance in 14 tests is absurd. He is our highest ranked bowler by far. He is taking his wickets at 18. It takes poor logic and an extreme overconfidence to drop a player with a record like that. It is very unprofessional
 
He is better than Imran Khan why on earth is Imran Khan in the team anyway?
 
Should've picked Abbas over Imran Khan. Abbas has been very impressive while playing county cricket.
 
Where did IK even come from I thought he was finally discarded after his mediocre bowling for a couple of years. Abbas wouldn't have been the solution to Australia's dominance on day 2 but he might've faired better than the other bowlers.

Truthfully though, as [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] pointed out, there isn't an 11 from Pakistan that can challenge Australia in Australia. We can't come up with a proper test bowling lineup that can bowl 90+ overs with discipline and aggression. The decent bowlers give up on test cricket. As for the batting, it is absolutely brittle with Azhar Ali nearing the end of his career and Asad Shafiq being a one game wonder. The rest barring Babar are either not good enough (e.g. Shan) or way too inconsistent (e.g. Haris).
 
I have a feeling that Abbas wouldnt have taken any wickets either.
But i cant argue with the fact that he would have been better than Imran in terms of his length and containment perhaps.

And if he hadnt performed as i feel, people would have said 'Why was Imran not chosen despite being in form' or 'Why did they take him along if they didnt want to play him' and blah blah.
 
It is completely irrelevant if abbas was unsuited to the conditions. Imran is a proven failure at testlevel. selecting him instead of giving abbas a chance (which he might have failed at who knows) is idiocy of the highest order.
 
It is completely irrelevant if abbas was unsuited to the conditions. Imran is a proven failure at testlevel. selecting him instead of giving abbas a chance (which he might have failed at who knows) is idiocy of the highest order.



Agreed...and one more thing I am yet to figure out, why ball after ball, Imran Khan all he does is run in, get to wide of the crease, and deliver the ball at barely any threatening pace plus no real surprise (in terms of deviation and all except once in a blue moon)...how is he expecting world class batters (in your home conditions) to take the bait when he gives a hit me ball every now and then and no challenge in between?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jason Gillespie "The Australians are pretty happy that Mohammad Abbas wasn't in the side. You only have to look at his record, he's been very effective for Pakistan" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AUSvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#AUSvPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1198431721932435462?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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"I am pretty happy that Mohammad Abbas didn't play, if I am being totally honest" : Tim Paine

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Paine rubbing it in a bit...
 
Getting embarrassing this whole Abbas not playing business!
 
Typical mind games and cheeky banter by Aussies.. just has become less abrasive but ideas are same.
 
Akram's comments came after the composition of Pakistan's pace attack for the first Test raised eyebrows, namely due to the omission of Mohammad Abbas, who was prolific against Australia in the UAE last year.

According to Akram, Abbas, who averages a stupendous 18.8 in Test cricket, would have been the perfect foil for the likes of Afridi and Naseem at the Gabba.

"They say his pace has declined, but at least he would've given you 25 overs wicket-to-wicket," he said.

"They picked Imran on present form, but those five wickets (against Australia A in the tour match) were in a day-night match with a pink ball."

https://wwos.nine.com.au/cricket/was...5-828ed463b4c7
 
Regarding his loss of pace - he's listed as age 29, I reckon he's probably at least 3 or 4 years older.
 
Abbas was never Akhtar nor Lee, he was always a wicket to wicket bowler.
 
Regarding his loss of pace - he's listed as age 29, I reckon he's probably at least 3 or 4 years older.
I totally agree.

But the conventional logic is that you need six quicks for a tour of Australia. And that for Brisbane you need to rotate at least three tall Quicks, as there is no lateral movement, but there is extra bounce.

Your post suggests that this selection panel elected to take:

3 x teenagers whose health requires a reduced workload

2 x veteran 125K 32+ year old medium pace bowlers of suspect fitness, who also can only manage a reduced workload.

No Ehsan Adil.
No Sameen Gul.
No SOS to Wahab Riaz or Mohammad Amir for assistance.
 
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I totally agree.

But the conventional logic is that you need six quicks for a tour of Australia. And that for Brisbane you need to rotate at least three tall Quicks, as there is no lateral movement, but there is extra bounce.

Your post suggests that this selection panel elected to take:

3 x teenagers whose health requires a reduced workload

2 x veteran 125K 32+ year old medium pace bowlers of suspect fitness, who also can only manage a reduced workload.

No Ehsan Adil.
No Sameen Gul.
No SOS to Wahab Riaz or Mohammad Amir for assistance.

Ideally for a 2 Test series in Australia you want 5 pacers, 4 of whom are experienced and have played in Australia and 1 rookie.

It's not the sort of place you take 3 rookies, one bowler making a comeback, one with fitness doubts as Pakistan have done.
 
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Ideally for a 2 Test series in Australia you want 5 pacers, 4 of whom are experienced and have played in Australia and 1 rookie.

It's not the sort of place you take a 3 rookies, one bowler making a comeback, one with fitness doubts.

I think fitness for pacers has to be supreme in Australia because spinners are usually ineffective and that means pacers have to bowl the bulk of the overs.

I want Pakistan to adopt an aggressive strategy of playing 4 pacers and a spinner and drop the extra batsman. Give the pacers the liberty to go out there and attack in all spells and bowl a couple of them in short sharp 3-4 over bursts
 
Paine obviously doesn’t play county cricket
Even the likes of Mohammed sami and junaid Khan dominated county cricketers more than Abbas has done



And that county dominance means so much that both those performed wonders after that and became indispensable members of Pak team, right?
 
Cannot believe a bowler averaging 18 is not in the side. What is not surprising is some experts here saying he should not play because he might get smashed, never mind the fact that HE AVERAGES FLIPPIN' EIGHTEEN!!!!
 
Hopefully commonsense will prevail in 2nd Test.
 
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