What is/are your bias(es)?

[DeadBall]

As much as "most" of want to be level headed individuals we always have certain biases, given our upbringing, environment etc regarding religion, country and so on.

For me it is religion (any religion). Although I still think it is right to base my opinions on logic and facts but I do fly off the handle during religious debates given my upbringing and due to the fact that they tend to be obstinate drones who just regurgitate stories fed to them since childhood.

I also just hate cats for some reason.

So what are yours.

 

[DeadBall]

Waiting for [MENTION=22846]Nostalgic[/MENTION] to come up with a f/punny answer. No pressure though.

 

[Suleiman]

Not a fan of dogs, don't like them, don't want to be touched by them. Most awkward bias to have when you live in the West because people treat their pet dogs like their children here. I don't know, just culturally in Pakistan dogs are kind of considered unhygienic animals, and I don't know where your dog has been rolling around before it comes to brush past my leg or lick my shoes.

You can probably say the same for cats, but I don't mind them, think they are cute.

Pinnacle of animal bias here.

 

[Pakistanian]

My bias is people with bad hygien and people dressed like slobs - gives the impression of laziness and bad hygiene

 

[DW44]

Forward bias.

 

[Nostalgic]

My favorite type of bias is confirmation bias, because I love being proven right every time. I even started researching confirmation bias once, and my research proved what I already knew to be true.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Don't think I am biased..just that I take criticism of my government, my co religionists and my caste as personal insults and always try to deny, deflect and defend.

 

[TM Riddle]

I'm biased towards Harry Potter series. Yes it's the best thing since slice bread ukhaar lo jo ukhaarna h

 

[TM Riddle]

Don't think I am biased..just that I take criticism of my government, my co religionists and my caste as personal insults and always try to deny, deflect and defend.

You are an outcast and we would never allow you to return back in our caste fold.

 

[CricketCartoons]

You are an outcast and we would never allow you to return back in our caste fold.

Banna, I have upgraded my caste..now I am a brahmin.

 

[TM Riddle]

Banna, I have upgraded my caste..now I am a brahmin.

I guess considering the Kaliyuga and other circumstances , this exemption could be granted.

 

[saadibaba]

I have a bias against Mullah types, Arabs and die hard IK supporters. Very difficult for me to trust either of them.

 

[indipper]

Against: Dogs/Cats, Feminism/Equality thing, following trend/fashion, buying overpriced stuff.

With: love for Parents. Humbleness.

 

[j_kazmi]

Biased against every Pakistani senior batsmen.

Be it hafeez, Malik or Azhar(in ODIs) whenever they score runs it’s flat wicket in my mind even if it actually isn’t

 

[BlackShadow]

I can't stand Punjabis, specially the ones from Punjab. It could well be my prejudice, but I find them too materialistic, and lacking substance.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I have a bias against mullah types, Arabs and Punjabis in particular. The rest are all fine.

 

[TM Riddle]

I have a bias against mullah types, Arabs and Punjabis in particular. The rest are all fine.

Why Punjabis though? Assuming it's not a potshot at saadi.

 

[Nostalgic]

I can't stand Punjabis, specially the ones from Punjab.

Punjabis from Punjab are the worst. Punjabis not from Punjab are slightly better.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why Punjabis though? Assuming it's not a potshot at saadi.

saadi said nothing about Punjabis, his bias was against mullahs and Arabs. BlackShadow was the one who can't stand Punjabis, especially the ones from Punjab. I just found those three a good starting point so put them altogether.

 

[Syed1]

I dislike with a passion:


Paindus
PML-N supporters
Mullahs
Jaag Punjabi Jaag types

 

[Pakistanian]

Afghan nationalists and apologists for Afghan colonialism/racism.

 

[UP]

I dislike with a passion:


Paindus
PML-N supporters
Mullahs
Jaag Punjabi Jaag types

What’s your definition of paindu?

I’ve never really understood what makes someone a paindu.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What’s your definition of paindu?

I’ve never really understood what makes someone a paindu.

The three he's listed underneath paindus would be a pretty good description I reckon.

 

[saadibaba]

Punjabis from Punjab are the worst. Punjabis not from Punjab are slightly better.

lol

Maybe he was trying to say Punjabis who are born and bred outside Punjab or currently living outside Punjab.

Mohammad Hanif comes to mind.

 

[Slog]

I can't stand Punjabis, specially the ones from Punjab. It could well be my prejudice, but I find them too materialistic, and lacking substance.

Which Punjab?

I'm guessing Indian one since you're from there?

 

[Nostalgic]

lol

Maybe he was trying to say Punjabis who are born and bred outside Punjab or currently living outside Punjab.

Mohammad Hanif comes to mind.

You can take the Punjabi out of Punjab, but you cannot take Punjab out of the Punjabi. In moments of weakness, it all comes out in gushing ewers of curses, conspiracy theories, and Bulleh Shah verses.

(It takes one to know one)

 

[R3verse Swing]

The OP is not biased towards religion, just Islam.

I am surprised no one has mention Pakistani or India as their bias.

 

[Pakistanian]

I have a bias against Mullah types, Arabs and die hard IK supporters. Very difficult for me to trust either of them.

I can't stand Punjabis, specially the ones from Punjab. It could well be my prejudice, but I find them too materialistic, and lacking substance.

Well too bad, you're on a forum where most people are punjabi.

 

[Abdul]

Bodybuilders taking steroids.

I never have/never will but I don't condemn the ones that choose to.

 

[saadibaba]

Well too bad, you're on a forum where most people are punjabi.

I think when me and others are pointing out our biases, its actually admitting to our shortcomings of having preconceived notions about certain groups of people. Admitting that one has a bias towards a group may be the first step towards becoming less bias and more open minded about them.

 

[saadibaba]

You can take the Punjabi out of Punjab, but you cannot take Punjab out of the Punjabi. In moments of weakness, it all comes out in gushing ewers of curses, conspiracy theories, and Bulleh Shah verses.

(It takes one to know one)

I can relate to the explosion of curse words in moments of weakness myself. Wish I could say the same about the remembrance of Bulleh Shah or other mystical poetry in those times. I instead am inundated with nihilistic verses from Rock/Metal songs like Sad but true, While my guitar gently weeps, Wish you were here, With or without you, Live and let die etc.

 

[sjahmed23]

I am bias against bangalis because somehow they think I am responsible for 1971. Previous landlord was bangali and he gave me a hard time because I am Pakistani... there is something seriously wrong in the water they are drinking there...

 

[saadibaba]

I am bias against bangalis because somehow they think I am responsible for 1971. Previous landlord was bangali and he gave me a hard time because I am Pakistani... there is something seriously wrong in the water they are drinking there...

So you are biased against them cause they are biased against you. The double bias, the best kind of bias imo.

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Cannot stand the following:

Lahoris & Punjabis from Punjab (Especially those that take pot shots at Karachi)
People who bring Religion into everything + Mullahs (Hate those with a Passion!)
Bangladeshis!

 

[Nostalgic]

Punjabis from Punjab

I think we can all agree that Punjabis from Punjab (or Punjabi Punjabis to be succinct) are a dastardly bunch, and universally loathed.

I have a strong suspicion even non-Punjabi Punjabis are biased against Punjabi Punjabis.

 

[DW44]

I have a strong suspicion even non-Punjabi Punjabis are biased against Punjabi Punjabis.

Can confirm. Bahawalpur is the place to go to see this first hand. No love lost there between Seraikis and Punjabis.

 

[Nostalgic]

I can relate to the explosion of curse words in moments of weakness myself. Wish I could say the same about the remembrance of Bulleh Shah or other mystical poetry in those times. I instead am inundated with nihilistic verses from Rock/Metal songs like Sad but true, While my guitar gently weeps, Wish you were here, With or without you, Live and let die etc.

There’s a humorous/existentialist study of Bulleh Shah, developed over the years by... yours truly. I will dwell at length on it some day, on some other thread, once we have sufficiently delved into the finer details of what separates a Punjabi Punjabi from a non-Punjabi Punjabi.

 

[saadibaba]

I think we can all agree that Punjabis from Punjab (or Punjabi Punjabis to be succinct) are a dastardly bunch, and universally loathed.

I have a strong suspicion even non-Punjabi Punjabis are biased against Punjabi Punjabis.

Can confirm. Bahawalpur is the place to go to see this first hand. No love lost there between Seraikis and Punjabis.

Maybe because Punjabis are in a majority and some non-Punjabis in Pakistan feel, rightly or wrongly, that they suck up all the resources and are over-represented in positions of power. Its less about loathing and more about resentment I feel.

 

[Nostalgic]

Can confirm. Bahawalpur is the place to go to see this first hand. No love lost there between Seraikis and Punjabis.

Seraikis aren’t non-Punjabi Punjabis. They are Punjabi non-Punjabis. There is a difference: non-Punjabi Punjabis are people of Punjabi origin who are no longer in Punjab. Punjabi non-Punjabis are people living in Punjab who aren’t ethnically Punjabis. The Seraikis, or the Pakhtuns in the western districts of the province, or the Urdu speakers scattered all over the province, are all Punjabi non-Punjabis.

I can’t for the life of me figure out what I am. A non-Punjabi-speaking non-Punjabi Punjabi, but that’s too long of a description. I’ve been called catchier names, some of them not worthy of a family-friendly forum.

 

[Nostalgic]

Maybe because Punjabis are in a majority and some non-Punjabis in Pakistan feel, rightly or wrongly, that they suck up all the resources and are over-represented in positions of power. Its less about loathing and more about resentment I feel.

I was commenting more on the multiple egregious cases of redundancy than anything else

 

[DW44]

Seraikis aren’t non-Punjabi Punjabis. They are Punjabi non-Punjabis. There is a difference: non-Punjabi Punjabis are people of Punjabi origin who are no longer in Punjab. Punjabi non-Punjabis are people living in Punjab who aren’t ethnically Punjabis. The Seraikis, or the Pakhtuns in the western districts of the province, or the Urdu speakers scattered all over the province, are all Punjabi non-Punjabis.

I can’t for the life of me figure out what I am. A non-Punjabi-speaking non-Punjabi Punjabi, but that’s too long of a description. I’ve been called catchier names, some of them not worthy of a family-friendly forum.

Depends on if you use the term Punjabi in a geographical sense or an ethnic one. Technically, they're non-Punjabi Punjabis in that they're both non-Punjabi (in an ethno-linguistic sense) and Punjabi (geographically). Your move.

 

[Nostalgic]

Depends on if you use the term Punjabi in a geographical sense or an ethnic one. Technically, they're non-Punjabi Punjabis in that they're both non-Punjabi (in an ethno-linguistic sense) and Punjabi (geographically). Your move.

Right, so you’re using the first “Punjabi” as a ethnic modifier to the second “Punjabi,” which is the geographic description. I was doing the opposite. Either one could work.

In any case, both you and [MENTION=2071]saadibaba[/MENTION] are taking my words more seriously than they were intended. I was just riffing off of the redundant “Punjabi from Punjab” comment from at least two different posters.

 

[saadibaba]

There’s a humorous/existentialist study of Bulleh Shah, developed over the years by... yours truly. I will dwell at length on it some day, on some other thread, once we have sufficiently delved into the finer details of what separates a Punjabi Punjabi from a non-Punjabi Punjabi.

Of course, will be looking forward to it.

I have an Uncle in the Army who has lived most of his adult life in Punjab because of his posting. Despite growing up in Karachi, he speaks Urdu is a Punjabi/Army accent, kind a like Musharraf with use of certain words and phrases etc. He to me is a non-Punjabi Punjabi.

On the contrary I have another older Uncle who moved to Lahore instead of Karachi post-partition and have lived there since. He has a Punjabi wife and all his kids look and sound like Punjabis. He however to me does not fit the definition of non-Punjabi Punjabi even though he can speak Punjabi quite fluently. I don't know if its his mannerisms, his UP style Urdu or his name, he just looks like an alien in Lahore despite living there for decades.

While my Army Uncle could easily be mistaken for a Pindi boy, he still looks like someone who had just arrived from Karachi. Not sure what it is.

 

[saadibaba]

Right, so you’re using the first “Punjabi” as a ethnic modifier to the second “Punjabi,” which is the geographic description. I was doing the opposite. Either one could work.

In any case, both you and [MENTION=2071]saadibaba[/MENTION] are taking my words more seriously than they were intended. I was just riffing off of the redundant “Punjabi from Punjab” comment from at least two different posters.

lol, I get it. But you have accidentally hit up on a very interesting way to define Punjabis in a new geo-ethno-politco-psychological way. I will likely be making use of these terminologies going forward and will use such differentiations while defining people from other places as well, like say Karachi. Whats the difference between a Karachi-Karchiite versus a non-Karachi Karachiite versus a Karachi non-Karachiitie. Interesting stuff indeed.

 

[Nostalgic]

Of course, will be looking forward to it.

I have an Uncle in the Army who has lived most of his adult life in Punjab because of his posting. Despite growing up in Karachi, he speaks Urdu is a Punjabi/Army accent, kind a like Musharraf with use of certain words and phrases etc. He to me is a non-Punjabi Punjabi.

On the contrary I have another older Uncle who moved to Lahore instead of Karachi post-partition and have lived there since. He has a Punjabi wife and all his kids look and sound like Punjabis. He however to me does not fit the definition of non-Punjabi Punjabi even though he can speak Punjabi quite fluently. I don't know if its his mannerisms, his UP style Urdu or his name, he just looks like an alien in Lahore despite living there for decades.

While my Army Uncle could easily be mistaken for a Pindi boy, he still looks like someone who had just arrived from Karachi. Not sure what it is.

I can relate to this quite a bit. My mother was a high school Urdu teacher, and her diction and pronunciation is so pure that she was mistaken for a native Urdu speaker throughout her career. Because we lived in the Gulf, her colleagues were from all over Pakistan, and invariably the ones from Karachi always assumed she was too, and would be shocked to find out she was actually Punjabi. They would then assume that we were Urdu speakers settled in Punjab after partition, but that wasn’t the case either.

My mother’s best friend is from Karachi, and that lady had a Punjabi brother-in-law. Once my mother went to visit them, and she was introduced to the man. He talked to her for five minutes and then declared my mother couldn’t possibly be from anywhere other than UP.

I must’ve inherited my love for Urdu poetry from her.

 

[DW44]

Right, so you’re using the first “Punjabi” as a ethnic modifier to the second “Punjabi,” which is the geographic description. I was doing the opposite. Either one could work.

In any case, both you and [MENTION=2071]saadibaba[/MENTION] are taking my words more seriously than they were intended. I was just riffing off of the redundant “Punjabi from Punjab” comment from at least two different posters.

I figured as much. Outgrew the whole 'x ethnicity is evil' nonsense a long time ago, particularly since my own folks have that joke of a code of conduct called pakhtunwali and if you know me at all, you know there's no hatred like self hatred so that's where all my destructive energies are focused like a laser beam.

 

[saadibaba]

I can relate to this quite a bit. My mother was a high school Urdu teacher, and her diction and pronunciation is so pure that she was mistaken for a native Urdu speaker throughout her career. Because we lived in the Gulf, her colleagues were from all over Pakistan, and invariably the ones from Karachi always assumed she was too, and would be shocked to find out she was actually Punjabi. They would then assume that we were Urdu speakers settled in Punjab after partition, but that wasn’t the case either.

My mother’s best friend is from Karachi, and that lady had a Punjabi brother-in-law. Once my mother went to visit them, and she was introduced to the man. He talked to her for five minutes and then declared my mother couldn’t possibly be from anywhere other than UP.

I must’ve inherited my love for Urdu poetry from her.

Well, some of the biggest names in Urdu literature are Punjabis like Faiz, Ashfaq Ahmed, Manto etc. Without their contributions, Urdu language would have become irrelevant long ago.

 

[Nostalgic]

I figured as much. Outgrew the whole 'x ethnicity is evil' nonsense a long time ago, particularly since my own folks have that joke of a code of conduct called pakhtunwali and if you know me at all, you know there's no hatred like self hatred so that's where all my destructive energies are focused like a laser beam.

I don’t know how it fits into Pakhtunwali, but I loved the quote attributed to Bacha Khan, the one about there being a Pakhtun inside everyone.

I try to channel my inner Pakhtun everyday.

 

[DW44]

I don’t know how it fits into Pakhtunwali, but I loved the quote attributed to Bacha Kahn

Not sure which quote, since the great man had many memorable ones, but pukhtunwali is a code of conduct that has clauses wherein women and female children are used as currency to settle petty disputes and debt.

 

[Nostalgic]

Nostalgic Khan has a nice ring to it, no?

 

[Nostalgic]

Not sure which quote, since the great man had many memorable ones, but pukhtunwali is a code of conduct that has clauses wherein women and female children are used as currency to settle petty disputes and debt.

Accidentally hit Post before I was done writing the quote. I’ve edited it.

 

[DW44]

Nostalgic Khan has a nice ring to it, no?

The Khan name has forever been tainted by its association with the most popular Khan of them all, T. Khan. I'd advise against naming yourself Khan at this juncture. That boat has sailed.

 

[Nostalgic]

Well, some of the biggest names in Urdu literature are Punjabis like Faiz, Ashfaq Ahmed, Manto etc. Without their contributions, Urdu language would have become irrelevant long ago.

Correct, and the emergence of Urdu as a major language in Punjab is a fascinating debate worthy of a thread to itself. You will hear criticism, not totally unjustified, of how a national language suppresses the provincial ones. That said, Urdu in Punjab far predates the creation of Pakistan, so there is a definite organic element to it that tends to get overlooked. Urdu had already emerged as the language of the educated urban Muslims, and educated urban Punjabi Muslims were no exception. I was once reading a biography of Bhagat Singh, and it emerged that he wrote his letters in Urdu. He probably used the Gurmukhi script, but it was Urdu all the same. So it was being used not just by Muslims but also non-Muslims living in Muslim-dominated areas, in Bhagat Singh’s case, the erstwhile Lyallpur (now Faisalabad).

And it isn’t just Punjab. The doyen of Urdu literature in the 30s through the 50s, Patras Bukhari, was Pakhtun. So was Ahmad Faraz. Just the other day, I was reading a terrific poem by a poet from Hunza.

I’ve never seen Urdu as a foreign or second language. It is as much mine as anyone else’s.

 

[Greenstorm]

So much hate for Punjabis here.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I think we can all agree that Punjabis from Punjab (or Punjabi Punjabis to be succinct) are a dastardly bunch, and universally loathed.

I have a strong suspicion even non-Punjabi Punjabis are biased against Punjabi Punjabis.

I can concur, although not sure where I fit in, my parents were originally from Jullundar in India, but my chacha married a woman from Sulempur in Pakistan. Don't know if that's in the dreaded Bahawalpur sector DW44 has often mentioned, but my dad used to mutter darkly about both Sulempuris and Bahawalpuris on occasion. Was never sure that if that was down to them or him, but inter-Punjabi hatred seems a fairly common theme so I am more than willing to wade in.

 

[sjahmed23]

So you are biased against them cause they are biased against you. The double bias, the best kind of bias imo.

Indeed it is. Insiders tell me the bangali mantra is to never trust a Pakistani so go figure. Unfortunately they are overtaking the desi community here and now are seen everywhere in the city so there’s no escaping. Even the traffic cop who gave me a ticket last month was amadadul something something...

 

[Nostalgic]

I can concur, although not sure where I fit in, my parents were originally from Jullundar in India, but my chacha married a woman from Sulempur in Pakistan. Don't know if that's in the dreaded Bahawalpur sector DW44 has often mentioned, but my dad used to mutter darkly about both Sulempuris and Bahawalpuris on occasion. Was never sure that if that was down to them or him, but inter-Punjabi hatred seems a fairly common theme so I am more than willing to wade in.

But Jullundher is in Punjab, so your folks were Punjabi Punjabis, and the Bahawalpuris are Seraikis, so Punjabi non-Punjabis (by my definition) or non-Punjabi Punjabis (in DW44's definition). So your dad's disdain for the Bahawalpuris was a case of a Punjabi Punjabi disapproving of a non-Punjabi Punjabi/Punjabi non-Punjabi, which is different from non-Punjabi Punjabis/Punjabi non-Punjabis being biased against Punjabi Punjabis, which is what I was suspecting.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

But Jullundher is in Punjab, so your folks were Punjabi Punjabis, and the Bahawalpuris are Seraikis, so Punjabi non-Punjabis (by my definition) or non-Punjabi Punjabis (in DW44's definition). So your dad's disdain for the Bahawalpuris was a case of a Punjabi Punjabi disapproving of a non-Punjabi Punjabi/Punjabi non-Punjabi, which is different from non-Punjabi Punjabis/Punjabi non-Punjabis being biased against Punjabi Punjabis, which is what I was suspecting.

This is why I try to stay clear of it to be honest, the bias can be quite complicated at the macro level, definitely best enacted by the real deal back in Pakistan. I think I deciphered the code and it seems bonafide, although my dad isn't really the best example, he could probably find a reason to offer abuse to his immediate family given half a chance. My mum on the other hand seemed to think the sun shone out the behinds of non-Punjabis, especially Indians. There's probably enough material there to fill a psychiatry manual.

 

[ManFan]

Not that I have anything against them but I prefer self-made individuals rather than those who come from "old money".
Hate "pappe-kutnis" who hype conflict between others.
People who have all social media apps like IG, FB, Twitter, SC, etc.

 

[TM Riddle]

Well going by the quality of music they churn out every other week along with that dreadful high pitched voice no wonder most non Punjabi despise them. By Punjabis here I mean the Indian Punjabi Punjabis.

 

[ManFan]

Well going by the quality of music they churn out every other week along with that dreadful high pitched voice no wonder most non Punjabi despise them. By Punjabis here I mean the Indian Punjabi Punjabis.

The Bhangra rap genre is atrocious.

 

[TM Riddle]

The Bhangra rap genre is atrocious.

You can take the following 3 words and could easily come up with a potentially hit Punjabi hip hop track -
Jatt , Gaddi , Kudi

 

[ManFan]

You can take the following 3 words and could easily come up with a potentially hit Punjabi hip hop track -
Jatt , Gaddi , Kudi

You forgot Goli and Supne.

 

[TM Riddle]

You forgot Goli and Supne.

That's for Pakistani Punjabi ones considering you lot still have the Halal mode on. Ours otoh have upgraded themselves to Daru ,drugs and patola.

 

[ManFan]

That's for Pakistani Punjabi ones considering you lot still have the Halal mode on. Ours otoh have upgraded themselves to Daru ,drugs and patola.

No, no. I have listened to the Indian Punjabi songs and they regularly use those words. It was funny the first few times, actually just the first time but now its downright unbearable. There's always Gurdas Maan to fall back on though so its all good.

 

[TM Riddle]

No, no. I have listened to the Indian Punjabi songs and they regularly use those words. It was funny the first few times, actually just the first time but now its downright unbearable. There's always Gurdas Maan to fall back on though so its all good.

You might be right since every Balwinder Dalwinder and Harwinder seem to have songs coming out at a rapid pace in a few days interval and therefore it becomes kinda hard to keep track of new developments.

 

[ManFan]

You might be right since every Balwinder Dalwinder and Harwinder seem to have songs coming out at a rapid pace in a few days interval and therefore it becomes kinda hard to keep track of new developments.

They are the only thing that bring my mom's BP down so we have to watch them at least 20-25 minutes a day.

 

[TM Riddle]

They are the only thing that bring my mom's BP down so we have to watch them at least 20-25 minutes a day.

Sherry Mann and Diljit Dosanjh FTW!

 

[Pakistanian]

Depends on if you use the term Punjabi in a geographical sense or an ethnic one. Technically, they're non-Punjabi Punjabis in that they're both non-Punjabi (in an ethno-linguistic sense) and Punjabi (geographically). Your move.

Lol how are seraikis not punjabin any sense? That makes no sense, they're def punjabi.

 

[Nostalgic]

Lol how are seraikis not punjabin any sense? That makes no sense, they're def punjabi.

We have already established that they are non-Punjabi Punjabis. Or Punjabi non-Punjabis.

 

[Pakistanian]

We have already established that they are non-Punjabi Punjabis. Or Punjabi non-Punjabis.

I disagree with your classification of them. These are artifical divisions designed to divide Punjab.

 

[Nostalgic]

I disagree with your classification of them. These are artifical divisions designed to divide Punjab.

Divisions are an official fact. The only time Pakistan hasn't had divisions was between 2000 and 2008, when the provinces were made up of districts. Divisions have been restored since, and the divisions are made up of districts, like before 2000, just the way God intended.

 

[Abdul]

That Punjabis are superior! Sorry, not sorry. Had to say this since there was a lot of trash talking going on.