What is Babar Azam's current market value in the IPL?

[Sidilicious]

People dont seem to be getting it. What Babar does for Pakistan in T20 is very different than what IPL needs of its foreign players
1. Its not a free market. There are reserved quotas for Indian players. So yes, an Indian player that matches a few skill set will get more in comparison to foreign players. For example, a pace bowler or AR from India will get a lot more than a better foreigner.

2. Indian domestic scene does not have an abundance of quality pace bowlers (we have a brilliant battery for international, but for IPL you need about 20 quality pace bowlers between 8 teams) and ARs. So, this will be the first thing teams look in foreigners. Next would be hard hitters.

3. The kind of batsman Babar is, someone who can be depended on scoring 40 odd @120 every game, are quite a few in India (inferior quality, but same role). So, an IPL team would rather spend that extra cash on a Hassan Ali, Amir or even Faheem Ashraf and Shdab Khan, than Babar Azam. If you can get an Indian do score 30 odd @ 120 for 250k every game, instead of 40 @ 120 from Babar, why would you waste that spot for Babar or pay more than 250k?

So, in the end, Babar will possibly get selected in the IPL if he is put up for an auction. But Hassan Ali, Shaheen Afridi, Amir and even Faheem Ashraf will get paid much more than Azam.

 

[Banter]

I know who he is. He’s a good but but to compare him to babar is disrespectful.

Disrespectful? Come on now. You are being over sensitive and emotional.

Reality is that the likes of Ambati Rayudu, Parthiv Patel etc would have been 10 year players for Pakistan - such is the paucity of topclass batsmen in Pakistan. Of course, Babar is a very good player, but you throw a Sanju Samson into international cricket, and give him the opportunities to pile up runs against Zim, Ireland, SL etc, there is every expectation he'd match Babar Azam.

Its hypothetical, sure. But the batting ability is there for all to see.

 

[Sidilicious]

Such as?

They might not be as good, but do the same job. IPL teams need ARs and bowlers. Babar will get less than Faheem Ashraf in an IPL auction, because a stable batsman is a commodity in Indian domestic (even though they might not be as good as Babar), but an AR is not.

 

[Banter]

People dont seem to be getting it. What Babar does for Pakistan in T20 is very different than what IPL needs of its foreign players
1. Its not a free market. There are reserved quotas for Indian players. So yes, an Indian player that matches a few skill set will get more in comparison to foreign players. For example, a pace bowler or AR from India will get a lot more than a better foreigner.

2. Indian domestic scene does not have an abundance of quality pace bowlers (we have a brilliant battery for international, but for IPL you need about 20 quality pace bowlers between 8 teams) and ARs. So, this will be the first thing teams look in foreigners. Next would be hard hitters.

3. The kind of batsman Babar is, someone who can be depended on scoring 40 odd @120 every game, are quite a few in India (inferior quality, but same role). So, an IPL team would rather spend that extra cash on a Hassan Ali, Amir or even Faheem Ashraf and Shdab Khan, than Babar Azam. If you can get an Indian do score 30 odd @ 120 for 250k every game, instead of 40 @ 120 from Babar, why would you waste that spot for Babar or pay more than 250k?

So, in the end, Babar will possibly get selected in the IPL if he is put up for an auction. But Hassan Ali, Shaheen Afridi, Amir and even Faheem Ashraf will get paid much more than Azam.

Exactly. T20 rankings means F-all - its all about the team balance and what Babar can bring to an all-star XI and squad. He's definitely good enough to get picked, but in the mid-range - which is still quite a big payday for any cricketer.

 

[Rana]

Such as?

Exactly bro, Indian fans throw it here as if there are 10 Babars in India, when in reality Babar is better than all Indian batsmen besides Kohli (and Sharma in some aspects)

 

[Rana]

Shreyas Iyer
Sanju Samson
Ambati Rayudu
Kedar Jadhav
Manish Pandey
Ishan Kishan
Rishabh Pant
Nitish Rana
Dinesh Karthik

and so on.


I'm not even including the current Indian team players, or the 2 young phenoms Prithvi Shaw and Shubman Gill

Currently, in all conditions Babar is better than each one of them

 

[Snowflake]

I am not surprised that PPers think that pakistani players will be million dollar worth in IPL. The PCB thought the same in 2009 and tried to arm twist the Bcci. The result is for all to see.

Pakistani players are not in much demand in the ipl. Unless ofcourse Pakistan suddenly produces a ATG level player like IK or Wasim or even a Akhtar.

Can bet on this guy to spew his typical political drivel wherever there is a mention of India and Pakistan together. True phuppi of PP!

 

[Sidilicious]

Exactly. T20 rankings means F-all - its all about the team balance and what Babar can bring to an all-star XI and squad. He's definitely good enough to get picked, but in the mid-range - which is still quite a big payday for any cricketer.

In the end IPL is a business. You might be the best diamond. But if I am in desperate need for Gold, I will pay more for gold than for a diamond. Simple economics.

As you said in a post earlier, no one is saying Babar is not a good player, or he is not superior to the likes of Shreyas Iyer or Samson. What he has just does not fit what IPL needs.

 

[Sidilicious]

Currently, in all conditions Babar is better than each one of them

They are pretty decent, but Babar is better. They do the same role as Babar (though not as well). But he still has a lot of competition with a lot of Indian players.

So if I have lots of decent bats, but I need ARs and bowlers, why would I spend lots of money on Babar, the I could pay that extra money for a Hassan Ali or Faheem Ashraf?

 

[gazza619]

Shreyas Iyer
Sanju Samson
Ambati Rayudu
Kedar Jadhav
Manish Pandey
Ishan Kishan
Rishabh Pant
Nitish Rana
Dinesh Karthik

and so on.


I'm not even including the current Indian team players, or the 2 young phenoms Prithvi Shaw and Shubman Gill

And what are their international averages and how many international runs they have made if you dont mind me asking? Every country has domestic cricket bullies.

 

[Rana]

They are pretty decent, but Babar is better. They do the same role as Babar (though not as well). But he still has a lot of competition with a lot of Indian players.

So if I have lots of decent bats, but I need ARs and bowlers, why would I spend lots of money on Babar, the I could pay that extra money for a Hassan Ali or Faheem Ashraf?

Faheem Ashraf has done nothing of note anywhere as of yet. He has displayed potential only.

Hasan Ali was exposed against the World XI at Lahore and they licked him for huge sixes just for fun. Same thing happened in Karachi PSL final. He’s not a bowler for sub continent conditions.

Babar beats his doubters into believers game after game. He himself says he wants to emulate the king (Kohli)

 

[Sidilicious]

Faheem Ashraf has done nothing of note anywhere as of yet. He has displayed potential only.

Hasan Ali was exposed against the World XI at Lahore and they licked him for huge sixes just for fun. Same thing happened in Karachi PSL final. He’s not a bowler for sub continent conditions.

Babar beats his doubters into believers game after game. He himself says he wants to emulate the king (Kohli)

please understand the supply demand economics. You might be a diamond, but if I need just gold, I will pay for the gold and not the diamond.

Its not how good one is. Its what I need.

 

[Rana]

please understand the supply demand economics. You might be a diamond, but if I need just gold, I will pay for the gold and not the diamond.

Its not how good one is. Its what I need.

You talk like the investors are a bunch of clowns who don’t do their homework before going into the auction. No matter how you look at it, Babar makes all world XIs today. He will walk into every IPL side’s first XI one way or another. He is the diamond, Gold or whatever you are trying to prove he is or isn’t.

 

[Ami]

Zero.

 

[Banter]

And what are their international averages and how many international runs they have made if you dont mind me asking? Every country has domestic cricket bullies.

Well there are only 11 at a time who can play for India, and there's a lot of competition. Just like an Imran Tahir can go to SA and get the opportunity to put up international numbers, does it make him better than Abdul Qadir?

Sikandar Raza has more international runs than Fawad Alam, is he a better batsman?

 

[mak36]

Market value in IPL is irrelevant.

 

[Sidilicious]

You talk like the investors are a bunch of clowns who don’t do their homework before going into the auction. No matter how you look at it, Babar makes all world XIs today. He will walk into every IPL side’s first XI one way or another. He is the diamond, Gold or whatever you are trying to prove he is or isn’t.

And exactly because they have done their homework, they will not be paying him top tier prices.

Just to add. Babar is not the most useful batsman in a very strong bating lineup. But in an average to ok lineup, he is a gem. Due to good Indian batsman, most IPL teams have strong batting lineups. Its the other way round for Hassan Ali and Faheem Ashraf.

Anyways, thats it for me on this topic. Please read up supply and demand before you discuss this further as everyone would be wasting time otherwise.

 

[Abdullah719]

Who cares? Market value in IPL would be dictated by the demand. Are batsmen of his type a common commodity there, or is there a void which needs to be filled? You can't look at it in a vacuum. Depends completely on the makeup of the teams and players generally available in the draft.

I have no idea why this topic is of such interest. Almost 100 posts

 

[Sidilicious]

Who cares? Market value in IPL would be dictated by the demand. Are batsmen of his type a common commodity there, or is there a void which needs to be filled? You can't look at it in a vacuum. Depends completely on the context of the teams picks and players generally available in the draft.

I have no idea why this topic is of such interest. Almost 100 posts

The whole thread has been a crash course on Supply and Demand Economics.

 

[Banter]

Who cares? Market value in IPL would be dictated by the demand. Are batsmen of his type a common commodity there, or is there a void which needs to be filled? You can't look at it in a vacuum. Depends completely on the makeup of the teams and players generally available in the draft.

I have no idea why this topic is of such interest. Almost 100 posts

Because some people refuse to accept that simple logic of supply and demand and are too fixated on 'Babar the awesome'.

 

[Rana]

Supply and demand yeah ok

He is top dollar big match player! The way Barca would pay £135m for Coutinho.

 

[BDfanforever]

You can be sure it is less than the likes of Sandeep Sharma, Mohit Sharma, Jaydev Unadkat, Axar Patel, etc.

 

[trickyone]

There is a big chance of Amir getting a million dollar than babar...

 

[Varun]

He might get some money up front, then he'll find that the league has ruined him after a year or two like so many before him. Case in point KL Rahul.

 

[Rana]

He might get some money up front, then he'll find that the league has ruined him after a year or two like so many before him. Case in point KL Rahul.

Mate, so far all or the majority of Indian posters have vehemently refused to acknowledge that he would even get a contract because of a lack of “demand” firstly of Pakistani players and secondly for players who play key anchor from abroad. These guys talk like they work with the IPL franchises and know what they want.

 

[Napa]

Pros: Though the sample size is small, Azam's record against NZ/Aus/Eng is pretty good, an average of 59 at a strike rate of 119.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...art;template=results;type=batting;view=series

Cons: Comes across as a bit timid. Can't turn up the hostility when needed like, for example Shane Watson in the last IPL final.

Overall I would say he would be somewhere between the 8th and the 12th ranked batsman in the auction, and would fetch about $1 million.

The argument that his skills are not needed isn't convincing. If one team doesn't have a need for his skills, there are always many other teams.

 

[Varun]

Mate, so far all or the majority of Indian posters have vehemently refused to acknowledge that he would even get a contract because of a lack of “demand” firstly of Pakistani players and secondly for players who play key anchor from abroad. These guys talk like they work with the IPL franchises and know what they want.

That is quite likely; he is one of those moderately paced Jayawardene type player. Not too hot for T20, and potentially not wasting a foreign player's spot for, for some teams in the comp.

 

[Titan24]

I dont think IPL value is true judge of a player. Williamson and Root are top batsmen and I dont think so they are among the million dollar babies.

As its a T20 format, most of the highest paid foreigners would mostly be all rounder like Stokes Curran etc.

 

[Titan24]

That is quite likely; he is one of those moderately paced Jayawardene type player. Not too hot for T20, and potentially not wasting a foreign player's spot for, for some teams in the comp.

To be honest his record and ranking shows he is much better than just an anchor. He plays an anchor role just bcz its given to him considering the other batsmen around him.

But obviously as I have stated in the post above bcz its a T20 format even the top batsmen struggle to go past all rounders.

IPL in no way defines a player value in cricket sense across formats.

 

[The Viper]

I don’t think there is much demand for a Babar type player who scores at around 120. That doesn’t mean he is quality but IPL teams prefer hard hitting all rounders and Big hitting openers mostly. I mean when Joe root didn’t get picked last year, then you know the lack of demand.

 

[jagatk]

Hmm, I recon its a good price but thinking from a neutral perspective and knowing Babar brings a flare of high quality strokes to the equation, Babar will double if not triple his value by the next year. Any franchise looking for a long term investment and a reliable one to say the least would steal Babar for 350k

Flair counts for zilch if it does not have big hitting accompanied. High quality strokes get you the same runs normal quality do. No non Pakistani franchise in the world will pick babar as a face of the franchise he is a nobody and doesn't do any of the stuff that gets you to the edge of your seat, for him to double in value he needs to start hitting at 150 SR, no one will buy him him in ipl otherwise.

As someone above said Hasan Ali, Amir and the new afridi are more valuable than boring babar, especially Ali who will easily make a million.

 

[rudra]

In IPL, especially foreign batsman is expected to be pure match winner in T20s. Thats why even williamson sits on bench in half of the matches. And root isnt even selected. Still, Babar would have worth for 4-5 crores.
Could have emulated rahane's role for rajasthan royals.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

Mate, so far all or the majority of Indian posters have vehemently refused to acknowledge that he would even get a contract because of a lack of “demand” firstly of Pakistani players and secondly for players who play key anchor from abroad. These guys talk like they work with the IPL franchises and know what they want.

Realize some facts.
Babar is a good accumulator. You can compare him with Williamson and Amla. Both similar type of players. Even when Amla was at his prime he hardly went for lots of money. And He was much bigger name then Babar. Had done well in all 3 formats. Hit big Runs against India in both Test and ODI.

Babar can hardly clear the boundary.

 

[JattMaula]

If Babar was an Indian he would easily command million dollars but as a overseas batter he is not really that useful for any ipl team.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Exactly bro, Indian fans throw it here as if there are 10 Babars in India, when in reality Babar is better than all Indian batsmen besides Kohli (and Sharma in some aspects)

Babar takes up a foreign quota slot and there are a number of Babar type players in India. IPL values players like Fakhar or bowlers like Hasan Ali or Shaheen Afridi more. Or as someone pointed out Even Shadab Khan will get a good price.

Ofcourse if he was an Indian he will easily get close to a million dollars.As a foreigner not likely.

 

[Oligochaetes]

Lets look at it this way. In an ideal world (where Pakistan and India have normalized relations), Pakistan is a huge market, Each IPL team will want a player from Pakistan to get more fans,to sell merchandise or whatever business means they have to earn profits.

Babar is a big name in Pakistan and many teams will definitely want to bag him. If Babar plays for any IPL team, imagine the viewership for those games. I am sure there is money to make from advertising.

In pure business terms he is a huge catch as he is currently paksitan's best batter. An IPL team can plan to bat him as an anchor and and select power bats for the other slots.

He might go for a lot and if he performs the first season he will keep getting big money. My guess would be 500,000 USD+ and more depending on how many teams are desperate for him at the time he appears in the auction.

 

[Rayyman]

That is quite likely; he is one of those moderately paced Jayawardene type player. Not too hot for T20, and potentially not wasting a foreign player's spot for, for some teams in the comp.

Jayawardene is an ATG in T20

Realize some facts.
Babar is a good accumulator. You can compare him with Williamson and Amla. Both similar type of players. Even when Amla was at his prime he hardly went for lots of money. And He was much bigger name then Babar. Had done well in all 3 formats. Hit big Runs against India in both Test and ODI.

Babar can hardly clear the boundary.

False. Babar's batting has no weakness. Better player than anyone Afghanistan have ever produced.

 

[Itachi]

You talk like the investors are a bunch of clowns who don’t do their homework before going into the auction. No matter how you look at it, Babar makes all world XIs today. He will walk into every IPL side’s first XI one way or another. He is the diamond, Gold or whatever you are trying to prove he is or isn’t.

I have just one suggestion. When you start a thread with a question, come with an open mind to accept opposing views. Here you are going in denial mode after hearing about the team building strategy of ipl.

No one is saying babar doesn't have a quality. All the people are saying, he isn't fit for ipl. That doesn't translate into him being lack of quality.

Dravid was a legend. But at different point of time, he had to perform different roles other than batsman to keep his place. No one questioned his talent. But he didn't have that extra gear that team india needed.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Jayawardene is an ATG in T20


False. Babar's batting has no weakness. Better player than anyone Afghanistan have ever produced.

Lol at Babar's batting has no weakness. You guys are hyping him up like he is Sachin Tendulkar and Don Bradman combined into one.

Jayawardene was avg in the IPL.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lets look at it this way. In an ideal world (where Pakistan and India have normalized relations), Pakistan is a huge market, Each IPL team will want a player from Pakistan to get more fans,to sell merchandise or whatever business means they have to earn profits.

Babar is a big name in Pakistan and many teams will definitely want to bag him. If Babar plays for any IPL team, imagine the viewership for those games. I am sure there is money to make from advertising.

In pure business terms he is a huge catch as he is currently paksitan's best batter. An IPL team can plan to bat him as an anchor and and select power bats for the other slots.

He might go for a lot and if he performs the first season he will keep getting big money. My guess would be 500,000 USD+ and more depending on how many teams are desperate for him at the time he appears in the auction.

If Babar and Pakistani players had such huge monetization potential, PSL would not be struggling to get $42mn for a 3 yr TV deal. PSL itself would be paying players the $500k per season.

Fact is Pakistan doesnot have such kind of a market.

 

[rhony]

Root averages 36 and is not an automatic pick even in the England T20 team. Babar Azam averages 54 and is the first name on the Pakistan sheet (World no.1 in T20).

I very much doubt you have seen Babar’s T20 performances. Following someone on cricinfo is different to seeing live on TV or online.

I have watched every Pakistan T20 game this year including the dud series vs WI in Pakistan. As I said, the 4 slots are typically not wasted on accumulators. Also, he isn't a charismatic crowd puller like Afridi.

 

[Itachi]

With all the bashings that IPL get, it is good to see that in the sub conscious mind of the people, IPL has become the standard against which the value of a player is attributed.

 

[Adijazz1706]

Lol at people saying he won't get picked, trash T20I accumulator Williamson (avg 31 SR 121) was highest scorer last year, but Babar (avg 54 SR 124) is too slow scoring to be picked )

 

[Adijazz1706]

Lol at Babar's batting has no weakness. You guys are hyping him up like he is Sachin Tendulkar and Don Bradman combined into one.

Jayawardene was avg in the IPL.

So was Sachin with his <120 SR but they were both old. Babar is much younger and has potential to improve

 

[jagatk]

Lol at people saying he won't get picked, trash T20I accumulator Williamson (avg 31 SR 121) was highest scorer last year, but Babar (avg 54 SR 124) is too slow scoring to be picked )

This is why you need to actual see the game and circumstances rather than passing judgment on stats, Williamson won't play half the games in next ipl. He was playing because he was the captain with no Warner in the team. Unless babar is a well renowned international team captain, babar ain't getting a start for 14 games, I get that Pakistanis can't tolerate any criticism of their player but this is a fact average of 54 @ 120 means nothing in t20, most would prefer if the player averaged 34 but at 150-160.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So was Sachin with his <120 SR but they were both old. Babar is much younger and has potential to improve

Babar isnt the type of player who gets big bucks in IPL. Just look at Amla or Root.

Secondly Babar is a pakistani so thats a big disadvantage as his participation will always be subject to the political situation. Hence he will not get big bucks.

 

[jagatk]

So was Sachin with his <120 SR but they were both old. Babar is much younger and has potential to improve

No one says sachin was a great player in the ipl, being young doesn't change much, he is an accumulator he will always be one, you can't teach aggression or big hitting.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol at people saying he won't get picked, trash T20I accumulator Williamson (avg 31 SR 121) was highest scorer last year, but Babar (avg 54 SR 124) is too slow scoring to be picked )

Williamson avgd 42 with SR of 137 in the IPL. Thats,what matters for ipl teams

Babar Azam isnt half as good as Williamson. Scoring runs againist Ala carte 11 or depleted WI or SL sides doesnot make Babar Azam a better player than Williamson.

 

[rhony]

I read in a Pakistani newspaper that Babar's PSL team asked him to move a level down so they can get a big star in the team. He didn't agree though. Let that sink in. If that's the attitude in PSL where Babar is supposed to be the best batsman in the team, then imagine his value in a foreign league. He is a very good batsman for Pakistan team. That's about it

 

[Abdul]

I read in a Pakistani newspaper that Babar's PSL team asked him to move a level down so they can get a big star in the team. He didn't agree though. Let that sink in. If that's the attitude in PSL where Babar is supposed to be the best batsman in the team, then imagine his value in a foreign league. He is a very good batsman for Pakistan team. That's about it

Wow, that's his aukat.

 

[Savak]

The highest price a Pakistani player got in the IPL was Afridi at $675,000 in 2008.

Lol, Malik the then captain and Misbah were benched by their franchises. Misbah was even benched in the BPL of all leagues

 

[JattMaula]

The highest price a Pakistani player got in the IPL was Afridi at $675,000 in 2008.

Lol, Malik the then captain and Misbah were benched by their franchises. Misbah was even benched in the BPL of all leagues

IPL came little late for Lala and Akhter. Both would have set it on fire.

 

[ILcricket]

After 1 Test inning ? He would probably be unsold .

 

[Darkrai]

I read in a Pakistani newspaper that Babar's PSL team asked him to move a level down so they can get a big star in the team. He didn't agree though. Let that sink in. If that's the attitude in PSL where Babar is supposed to be the best batsman in the team, then imagine his value in a foreign league. He is a very good batsman for Pakistan team. That's about it

That's because Babar is young. Shahid Afridi and Amir were the other 2 platinum players for Karachi. They had to get rid of one, so they asked Babar if he was willing to move a level down. Obviously they weren't going to ask Afridi, and the owner loves Amir, we all know most people in Pakistani love Amir. Of course when Babar refused they didn't get rid of him, instead they got rid of Afridi. Now let that sink in. Afridi is the only big draw in PSL. So it was never about Babar's abilities, it was more about him being young and them wanting to keep popular players.

And let me correct you on your last sentence. He is a very good batsman for any team, because he is ahead of everyone in the world, in the rankings, including Kohli, Warner, Munro, you name it.

Hope that clears things up.

 

[Sidilicious]

That's because Babar is young. Shahid Afridi and Amir were the other 2 platinum players for Karachi. They had to get rid of one, so they asked Babar if he was willing to move a level down. Obviously they weren't going to ask Afridi, and the owner loves Amir, we all know most people in Pakistani love Amir. Of course when Babar refused they didn't get rid of him, instead they got rid of Afridi. Now let that sink in. Afridi is the only big draw in PSL. So it was never about Babar's abilities, it was more about him being young and them wanting to keep popular players.

And let me correct you on your last sentence. He is a very good batsman for any team, because he is ahead of everyone in the world, in the rankings, including Kohli, Warner, Munro, you name it.

Hope that clears things up.

Not in the IPL when you get batsman many batsman in similar mould (albeit not as good) from India. Why would they waste the extra cash on a foreign spot?

In the IPL, Shaeen Afridi, Hassan Ali and Amir, will all get paid more than Babar. So will Faheem Ashraf and Shadab Khan.

 

[Savak]

That's because Babar is young. Shahid Afridi and Amir were the other 2 platinum players for Karachi. They had to get rid of one, so they asked Babar if he was willing to move a level down. Obviously they weren't going to ask Afridi, and the owner loves Amir, we all know most people in Pakistani love Amir. Of course when Babar refused they didn't get rid of him, instead they got rid of Afridi. Now let that sink in. Afridi is the only big draw in PSL. So it was never about Babar's abilities, it was more about him being young and them wanting to keep popular players.

And let me correct you on your last sentence. He is a very good batsman for any team, because he is ahead of everyone in the world, in the rankings, including Kohli, Warner, Munro, you name it.

Hope that clears things up.

Amir should have been asked to go down, he has done nothing to deserve platinum. Am shocked that Karachi still continues to retain him. Besides Afridi is with Multan now

 

[Darkrai]

Amir should have been asked to go down, he has done nothing to deserve platinum. Am shocked that Karachi still continues to retain him. Besides Afridi is with Multan now

Yes, because Karachi let him go. Amir is too hyped to be asked to go down. Plus he is friends with ARY people, i always hear owner speaking about him like he is wasim akram.

 

[ARK Rafay]

I have no faith in IPL. Where the guy like Unadkat gets huge pay and quality players remain unsold.

 

[Adijazz1706]

Williamson avgd 42 with SR of 137 in the IPL. Thats,what matters for ipl teams

Babar Azam isnt half as good as Williamson. Scoring runs againist Ala carte 11 or depleted WI or SL sides doesnot make Babar Azam a better player than Williamson.

Ask [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] about Williamson's T20 skills, the fact he is much better in the IPL is due to easier bowlers to face. Check out this thread: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?269213-Is-Kane-Williamson-currently-the-worst-T20-batsman-in-the-world

 

[Sidilicious]

Ask [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] about Williamson's T20 skills, the fact he is much better in the IPL is due to easier bowlers to face. Check out this thread: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?269213-Is-Kane-Williamson-currently-the-worst-T20-batsman-in-the-world

When Warner is around, Williamson is generally on the bench. SRH do not have another captain right now and thats the only reason he plays.

 

[Hawkeye]

Pros: Though the sample size is small, Azam's record against NZ/Aus/Eng is pretty good, an average of 59 at a strike rate of 119.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...art;template=results;type=batting;view=series

Cons: Comes across as a bit timid. Can't turn up the hostility when needed like, for example Shane Watson in the last IPL final.

Overall I would say he would be somewhere between the 8th and the 12th ranked batsman in the auction, and would fetch about $1 million.

The argument that his skills are not needed isn't convincing. If one team doesn't have a need for his skills, there are always many other teams.

A more balanced post, in a flood of jingoistic, bitter, jealous posts by our parosis.

Babar is not one dimensional like Root is, he's more close to Kohli-like pure batsman. Though he's not at the level of Kohli-like aggressive batting yet, but he's not far away either.

There are no Babar Azams in IND's domestic circuit - you're stuck with KL Rahul for now, who is a level below Babar at this time.

So, if one side doesn't need a proper batsman, there are many others who will. $1 million is a minimum.

He's no. 1 ranked T20i Batsman in the world right now. SR in a league will be higher than T20is.

 

[Aman]

Ask [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] about Williamson's T20 skills, the fact he is much better in the IPL is due to easier bowlers to face. Check out this thread: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?269213-Is-Kane-Williamson-currently-the-worst-T20-batsman-in-the-world

Kane has improved, but he has games where he is a liability.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Ask [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION] about Williamson's T20 skills, the fact he is much better in the IPL is due to easier bowlers to face. Check out this thread: http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/showthread.php?269213-Is-Kane-Williamson-currently-the-worst-T20-batsman-in-the-world

Thats Amans opinion. Williamson scores runs in IPL where almost every country's players except pakistan play. Easier bowling,certainly not. Williamson just developed himself into a better T20 batsman in last 24 months or so.

 

[Balthazar]

Lol at people saying he won't get picked, trash T20I accumulator Williamson (avg 31 SR 121) was highest scorer last year, but Babar (avg 54 SR 124) is too slow scoring to be picked )

Williamson is a brilliant captain. His team was runner-ups in the last IPL. What other qualities does Babar have? He is just too slow to waste a foreign slot on.

 

[Mainul]

He won't be picked by any team in IPL because inferior west Indian batsmen are favorites in this prestigious (!) tournament. Babar and his fans shouldn't cry about IPL.Green Pakistani shirt is the most precious thing for him

 

[DRsohail]

Joe Root wasn't picked in IPL

Then how can Babar be picked? i thought both are the same in T20.

 

[austerlitz]

One pandya like 70 from a nothing to lose position and all this hype?Meh.

 

[Rana]

One pandya like 70 from a nothing to lose position and all this hype?Meh.

Pandya like? Is Pandya rated number one T20 batsman in the world?

 

[Varun]

Pandya like? Is Pandya rated number one T20 batsman in the world?

Do individual T20 rankings matter, when they are played so sporadically?

Anyway, that comment was valid. Pandya's innings, approach, circumstances and final scoreline was the same.

 

[JaDed]

His value as an Indian player or quota player?
His value as a quota player not much, as an Indian player probably a lot but as an Indian player Fakhar Zaman or Shadab khan would have higher value.

 

[Rana]

Do individual T20 rankings matter, when they are played so sporadically?

Anyway, that comment was valid. Pandya's innings, approach, circumstances and final scoreline was the same.

No it was not the same. SA are leading by 42 runs only here, it was Babar's effort that caused this. Pandya would eventually get dropped in the current Pakistan team, he is very talented and has an x factor but severely overyhyped even though he isnt the finished article yet.

 

[Napa]

A more balanced post, in a flood of jingoistic, bitter, jealous posts by our parosis.

Babar is not one dimensional like Root is, he's more close to Kohli-like pure batsman. Though he's not at the level of Kohli-like aggressive batting yet, but he's not far away either.

There are no Babar Azams in IND's domestic circuit - you're stuck with KL Rahul for now, who is a level below Babar at this time.

So, if one side doesn't need a proper batsman, there are many others who will. $1 million is a minimum.

He's no. 1 ranked T20i Batsman in the world right now. SR in a league will be higher than T20is.

He may become one of the highest paid batsmen in the IPL, but only after he has delivered in the IPL for one or more seasons. My estimate of $1 million was based on his current record which doesn't have any IPL experience.

Performance in international games is only one indicator for IPL teams. They are more likely to bid high for those who have already performed in the IPL format (Tymal Mills etc. notwithstanding).

 

[topspin]

Amir, Hasan Ali, Shaheen and Fakhar would attract higher bids.

Babar Azam in T20Is is good for Pakistan but on a world level he has attained his no.1 ranking with soft runs against the likes of World XI, SL B, WI B, Zimbawe, Ireland, Scotland and etc.

I would take Fakhar's c.35 average @148 SR over Babar's stats. He single-handedly won that 180+ run chase against the Aussies in that tri series final.

 

[Itachi]

Pandya like? Is Pandya rated number one T20 batsman in the world?

You fail to understand that though both international T20 and ipl are same format, but their dynamics are total different. When you are allowed to have a foriegn player, you'll see which player does fit in your team most.

Being number 1 doesn't necessarily mean you'll be fit in that setup. We have lots of accumulators similar to babar. What we want is hard hitting which is lacked in indian domestic arena. Which is why you'll see lower ranked WI players picked up much quickly.

Babar does not make a cut to any ipl team because he isn't fit for a franchise based tournament where limited foriegn players are allowed.

 

[Rana]

You fail to understand that though both international T20 and ipl are same format, but their dynamics are total different. When you are allowed to have a foriegn player, you'll see which player does fit in your team most.

Being number 1 doesn't necessarily mean you'll be fit in that setup. We have lots of accumulators similar to babar. What we want is hard hitting which is lacked in indian domestic arena. Which is why you'll see lower ranked WI players picked up much quickly.

Babar does not make a cut to any ipl team because he isn't fit for a franchise based tournament where limited foriegn players are allowed.

Hilarious end note. Babar is more of an investment than any Indian accumulator

 

[Napa]

Hilarious end note. Babar is more of an investment than any Indian accumulator

I think the point [MENTION=90888]Itachi[/MENTION] is trying to make is that Babar will not be competing with Indian batsmen due to the quota system. He will rather be competing with Australian and WI sloggers for a place in a team.

 

[Itachi]

I think the point [MENTION=90888]Itachi[/MENTION] is trying to make is that Babar will not be competing with Indian batsmen due to the quota system. He will rather be competing with Australian and WI sloggers for a place in a team.

Exactly. I don't know why people are finding it so hard to grasp this simple concept.

 

[rhony]

Exactly. I don't know why people are finding it so hard to grasp this simple concept.

Because the no.1 ranking has somewhat clouded the judgement of even some of the logical posters here.

 

[BlackShadow]

Not much. Even as a Pakpassion member, I still don't know what Babar Azam looks like.

Perhaps a good batsman, but Indians don't really know him so well.

 

[rhony]

That's because Babar is young. Shahid Afridi and Amir were the other 2 platinum players for Karachi. They had to get rid of one, so they asked Babar if he was willing to move a level down. Obviously they weren't going to ask Afridi, and the owner loves Amir, we all know most people in Pakistani love Amir. Of course when Babar refused they didn't get rid of him, instead they got rid of Afridi. Now let that sink in. Afridi is the only big draw in PSL. So it was never about Babar's abilities, it was more about him being young and them wanting to keep popular players.

And let me correct you on your last sentence. He is a very good batsman for any team, because he is ahead of everyone in the world, in the rankings, including Kohli, Warner, Munro, you name it.

Hope that clears things up.

Ahead of everyonbe in the world in rankings is what is clouding your judgement. He is a good batsman and is great for Pakistan but is too slow for every other team in PP overs. He won't bat anywhere else in the order. Now if you think he is better than Kohli, Warner, then I sympathize with you.