What is the point of Shoaib Malik?

[Pakpak]

He doesn't bowl, infact hasn't bowled for a long time. He is beyond horrible as a specialist batsman, why on earth is he on the team? Hafeez has had his critics, me one of them, but even he makes it on the team on merit more than Malik.

 

[Syed1]

Did Inzi give us other batting options in the squad? In the past year how many new batsmen have debuted?



Inzi selected garbage Rizwan and we saw how bad he was today, singlehandedly killed the innings.

 

[rhony]

Did Inzi give us other batting options in the squad? In the past year how many new batsmen have debuted?



Inzi selected garbage Rizwan and we saw how bad he was today, singlehandedly killed the innings.

Shan was on the bench for 5 games

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

Agree i hope he goes asap.

 

[Pakpak]

Did Inzi give us other batting options in the squad? In the past year how many new batsmen have debuted?



Inzi selected garbage Rizwan and we saw how bad he was today, singlehandedly killed the innings.

Inzi has sadly lost it as well. The fact that careers for these 'seniors' don't end even after such garbage outings is ridiculous on its own.

 

[Pakpak]

Shan was on the bench for 5 games

To be honest he is garbage as well and a few games playing well in LO cricket won't be convincing at all.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Did Inzi give us other batting options in the squad? In the past year how many new batsmen have debuted?



Inzi selected garbage Rizwan and we saw how bad he was today, singlehandedly killed the innings.

Rizwan should never have been selected unless the selectors saw an improvement in his game. He looked horrid against spin, just like his last stint.

 

[rhony]

To be honest he is garbage as well and a few games playing well in LO cricket won't be convincing at all.

He was the best batsman in the test series. He is in the ODI team. He hasn't played a single game. That's dubious

 

[IMMY69]

Malik is wasting a place....

Ideally you wanna test out a youngster or two in the upcoming T20’s but even that won’t be possible since he’s now captain of the side.

 

[Pakpak]

Malik is wasting a place....

Ideally you wanna test out a youngster or two in the upcoming T20’s but even that won’t be possible since he’s now captain of the side.

We are the only team who will play a full strength side every T20 game, which is laughable on its own.

 

[IMMY69]

He was the best batsman in the test series. He is in the ODI team. He hasn't played a single game. That's dubious

I would have played Shan and fitted Fakhar lower down the order even though I think Fakhar should always be opening. Problem is that Malik is guaranteed his spot even though he does absolutely nothing.

 

[Pakpak]

He was the best batsman in the test series. He is in the ODI team. He hasn't played a single game. That's dubious

I wouldn't count Test form compared to one day form, they are completely different. I would play him a couple of games but he has been a large failure over his entire career, only being selected due to his father-in-law.

Young players who are doing well in domestic cricket for some time should be given a chance. Otherwise may as well shelve domestics.

 

[Syed1]

I really hope next series we see some wholistic changes, but who am I kidding Inzi will select the same squad, unless some newbie has a spectacular PSL.


Honestly if it wasn't for PSL we would still be playing the likes of Shehzad and Umar Akmals in place of guys like Fakhar.

 

[rhony]

I wouldn't count Test form compared to one day form, they are completely different. I would play him a couple of games but he has been a large failure over his entire career, only being selected due to his father-in-law.

Young players who are doing well in domestic cricket for some time should be given a chance. Otherwise may as well shelve domestics.

He got into test team because of his List A against A teams. Then he cant get into ODIs despite having a good technique and series against SA in tests. That's why its dubious

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

In Asia Malik over Hafeez but in England Hafeez over Malik. Ideally both shouldnt be part of the team.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Malik is poor against pace and esp bounce. But in good batting conditions he can stabalise the innings if need be or accelerate towards the end. His bowling is not needed any longer.

In England he should find better batting tracks with lesser pace and bounce. I think he will do well and needs to be in the team.

 

[Pakpak]

He got into test team because of his List A against A teams. Then he cant get into ODIs despite having a good technique and series against SA in tests. That's why its dubious

I wouldn't count being good in one series as evidence of good technique. He has been a disaster all his career. Him not being selected has been one positive. We don't need someone like him in the world cup squad. We have as many passengers as it is.

 

[Pakpak]

I really hope next series we see some wholistic changes, but who am I kidding Inzi will select the same squad, unless some newbie has a spectacular PSL.


Honestly if it wasn't for PSL we would still be playing the likes of Shehzad and Umar Akmals in place of guys like Fakhar.

Pretty much or bowling with Rahat Ali.

Malik is poor against pace and esp bounce. But in good batting conditions he can stabalise the innings if need be or accelerate towards the end. His bowling is not needed any longer.

In England he should find better batting tracks with lesser pace and bounce. I think he will do well and needs to be in the team.

He is done against pace IMO. These few series were ideal to test out newer players but now we barely have time to before the WC. If you meant T20 I'd keep him but not in ODIs. The last two tours, even in the UAE he has been very poor and UAE has no bounce at all.

 

[BakuGM]

Malik is poor against pace and esp bounce. But in good batting conditions he can stabalise the innings if need be or accelerate towards the end. His bowling is not needed any longer.

In England he should find better batting tracks with lesser pace and bounce. I think he will do well and needs to be in the team.

Can you please post his ODI scores in England to show what you are saying is indeed possible?

 

[vandokkum]

Shoaib Malik is the PERFECT batsman for English conditions. He averages 13 in England, how many so called top class batsmen can boast of that kind of record? Legend.

 

[Ami]

oh come on guys.. why all the doom and gloom?
Just be ok with it now...this is the squad for the World cup...believe it or not?
Now leave it at that...

 

[Haseeb 22]

What is the point of this thread more like it. Lol

You cannot perform every series and from I remember Malik was excellent in 2018.

Typical Pakistani fans. Dont remember anything.

 

[vandokkum]

Can you please post his ODI scores in England to show what you are saying is indeed possible?

Did you forget that Shoaib Malik has a 50 in England? He has played only 24 matches there as well and still managed to score one 50.

 

[shah_1]

Malik is poor against pace and esp bounce. But in good batting conditions he can stabalise the innings if need be or accelerate towards the end. His bowling is not needed any longer.

In England he should find better batting tracks with lesser pace and bounce. I think he will do well and needs to be in the team.

He averages 28+ with SR of 75+ since 2018. He is done and dusted. I don't think he will be out of the team till the WC is over. Its sad that selection team didn't groom somone else. Its too late now.

 

[BakuGM]

did you forget that shoaib malik has a 50 in england? He has played only 24 matches there as well and still managed to score one 50.

lol.....

 

[Pakpak]

What is the point of this thread more like it. Lol

You cannot perform every series and from I remember Malik was excellent in 2018.

Typical Pakistani fans. Dont remember anything.

Yes. His average over the last year been a mighty 28.31.

Typical Pakistan fans indeed, can't remember anything. You just displayed that in all its magnificence.

 

[shah_1]

What is the point of this thread more like it. Lol

You cannot perform every series and from I remember Malik was excellent in 2018.

Typical Pakistani fans. Dont remember anything.

What are you on about?

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/42657.html?class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=default;spanmax1=01+Jan+2019;spanmin1=01+jan+2018;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting

 

[rhony]

What is the point of this thread more like it. Lol

You cannot perform every series and from I remember Malik was excellent in 2018.

Typical Pakistani fans. Dont remember anything.

Malik averages 25 with SR of 69 against top 8 in since Jan 1 2018. A fifty against India in a losing cause probably masked every other inning out there.

 

[Asif321]

Thought team played with smiles with him being chargethat should be enough

 

[Syed1]

Thought team played with smiles with him being chargethat should be enough

You forgot how relaxed they were and enjoying their cricket

 

[Syed1]

Yes. His average over the last year been a mighty 28.31.

Typical Pakistan fans indeed, can't remember anything. You just displayed that in all its magnificence.

Ufff... you just buried him, but he did pass you the shovel himself

 

[Square Drive]

Did Inzi give us other batting options in the squad? In the past year how many new batsmen have debuted?



Inzi selected garbage Rizwan and we saw how bad he was today, singlehandedly killed the innings.

Rizwan made the team on merit man.

Until Umair Masood is ready, Rizwan is the best we have on merit.

I like Sarfraz too, but it seems to be over for him.

 

[Pakpak]

In Asia Malik over Hafeez but in England Hafeez over Malik. Ideally both shouldnt be part of the team.

Pretty much. But even in Asia Malik has been poor the last year, age has finally caught up with him.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Can you please post his ODI scores in England to show what you are saying is indeed possible?

I dont use stats to base my opinions, have been watching enough cricket to forge an opinion. England will produce good batting tracks this world cup and if the weather is similar to last year it will suit the likes of Malik. Sure he has a poor record in England overall but since 2015 has been batting really well.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

He is there in case Sarfraz gets banned and we need a captain.

 

[shah_1]

I dont use stats to base my opinions, have been watching enough cricket to forge an opinion. England will produce good batting tracks this world cup and if the weather is similar to last year it will suit the likes of Malik. Sure he has a poor record in England overall but since 2015 has been batting really well.

He flopped in the CT2017

 

[Hawkeye]

Malik averages 25 with SR of 69 against top 8 in since Jan 1 2018. A fifty against India in a losing cause probably masked every other inning out there.

Thought team played with smiles with him being chargethat should be enough

You forgot how relaxed they were and enjoying their cricket

Probably the only post where my thoughts align with [MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] and [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] , even though they still secretly support Sarfraz but let's not get into that.

Yeah, Malik needs to go.

You can't rely on "but but but everyone was smiling under him, no shouting or khichaaii!!". That's no argument.

 

[Syed1]

Probably the only post where my thoughts align with [MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] and [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] , even though they still secretly support Sarfraz but let's not get into that.

Yeah, Malik needs to go.

You can't rely on "but but but everyone was smiling under him, no shouting or khichaaii!!". That's no argument.

Get rid of Sarf but atleast replace him with people who are better so that the team improves. Sarf was replaced with Rizwan who makes Sarf look like the second coming of Gilchrist.


Malik (as mentioned on this thread) has been utterly pathetic for a year or so, he is the definition of a specialist captain, doesn't bat or bowl. Atleast Sarf used to keep.

 

[Pakpak]

Probably the only post where my thoughts align with [MENTION=21699]Pakpak[/MENTION] and [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] , even though they still secretly support Sarfraz but let's not get into that.

Yeah, Malik needs to go.

You can't rely on "but but but everyone was smiling under him, no shouting or khichaaii!!". That's no argument.

I am glad we agree on something I change my opinions if they are valid, I don't know if you remember or not I was a massive Amir fan but he's poor now. As for Sarfaraz if someone else does better for sure kick him out. The only reason I'd keep him now is the WC is very close and a new skipper can backfire.

 

[Plumb]

this team needs the Sarfi screaming and shouting. They won't perform if you praise them or be nice.

To make the PP crowd happy I would still give Rizwan more chances at least the screaming of fans for Rizwan will be done for good. Same like the UA fans who are done for good but every now and then they do come out with "bring back UA" type threads

 

[Zaz]

That middle order is horrible and malik hafeez n co have had a free ride for long enough

Just too many bits and pieces players in there

We desperately shouldve given a batsman or two an opportunity rather than wasting time with these guys

 

[Pete Rose]

Nothing really. But if you take out Malik from this team, you should take out Sarfaraz as well. And perhaps even hafeez.
Cannot carry a team with all three

 

[coy0607]

he's a senior and brings much needed veteran leadership to the team

 

[LordEddardStark]

It's really astonishing how a mediocre player like him has managed to be in team for 20 years now. In his earlier days he was touted as a replacement for Saqlain, but with added batting credentials. Clearly he proved everyone wrong at that front. But this leap from an offspinner who can bat a bit to a specialist middle order batsman is something for historians to probe into.

 

[msb314]

As I mentioned in the other thread - even an unfit Haris is better than Malik at this point. Malik has to go - plain and simple..

Regarding the Sarfraz and Rizwan debate - both are poor and we don't have many options in the WKing department. I hate to say this but Umar Akmal is an option but unsure how his fitness levels are at the moment - the pitches in England for the WC (where the ball comes nicely on to the bat) may suit him but I think his relationship with Mickey and Inzy is severely broken right now so this is a long shot.

Fakhar can keep - if our management thinks outside the box - we may be able to drop both Sarfraz and Rizwan and play Haris or Talat in the middle order. That will give us another bowling option as well but again this is also a long shot.

 

[msb314]

Shan Masood may be an option at number 3 or 4 given his stellar record in domestic cricket recently.but lets be real - he will be at best an Imam type player who could accumulate at a SR around 80-85 and make some decent scores. Besides - management sees him as an opener and since Fakhar and Imam aren't going anywhere - he may find it difficult to break into the ODI starting XI.

Worse case scenario is that he will flop just like Imran Farhat and Umar Amin have done!

 

[Hawkeye]

Unbelievable how he has played cricket for 20 years.

Yet cannot face anything above 130kph!

 

[Plumb]

Unbelievable how he has played cricket for 20 years.

Yet cannot face anything above 130kph!

to play in pak team all you need is connection...

 

[Kroll]

The knives are out for Malik as expected but there wasn't much support either and he did have the highest SR for anyone that faced more than 10 balls.

 

[ads101]

The thing is he does a lot of things right. He takes singles. He usually gets himself in. He generally plays with a gameplan, and does try to offset his weaknesses. Plays spin well. But you're right he just can't hit or play against pace, his reflexes have slowed and he wasn't great against it to begin with. Hafeez's reflexes have slowed too, though he can still hit pace inconsistently, Malik flat out can't.

It feels like an easy swap now for the WC drop Malik for Haris (Masood will find it hard to get in as top 3 is locked down and I don't think Fakhar will be pushed down the order). If Malik does play, think we have to push him up the order, maybe to 4, and bring Hafeez down to 6. Let Malik try to forge an innings, because he just can't hit. Though again that's kind of pandering around to a player because of his obvious flaws which isn't really what you want to do.

 

[Markhor]

Unbelievable how he has played cricket for 20 years.

Yet cannot face anything above 130kph!

You're 3 for 3 on Malik, Rizwan and Shinwari. All proving to be mediocre investments (I know Shinwari had a good display today but only had one decent performance in the ODI series).

If in the 2000s when we had Inzy and Yousuf as our middle-order mainstays, you told me Hafeez and Malik would replace them at 4 and 5 a decade from now I'd have fainted.

Even Hafeez, who gets criticised no end, merits selection more than Malik. He averages 35 against top teams since the 2015 WC while "Malik 2.0" averages 29 at a much lower SR !

We saw how his legs were shaking against Lockie Ferguson, but it's not just extreme pace he struggles with. It's anything above 125 KPH. Yet we're taking him to the World Cup, and possibly the 2021 World Cup.

 

[Rayyman]

You're 3 for 3 on Malik, Rizwan and Shinwari. All proving to be mediocre investments (I know Shinwari had a good display today but only had one decent performance in the ODI series).

If in the 2000s when we had Inzy and Yousuf as our middle-order mainstays, you told me Hafeez and Malik would replace them at 4 and 5 a decade from now I'd have fainted.

Even Hafeez, who gets criticised no end, merits selection more than Malik. He averages 35 against top teams since the 2015 WC while "Malik 2.0" averages 29 at a much lower SR !

We saw how his legs were shaking against Lockie Ferguson, but it's not just extreme pace he struggles with. It's anything above 125 KPH. Yet we're taking him to the World Cup, and possibly the 2021 World Cup.

He played 31 balls and only one six which was off a spinner. Cost us in the end.

 

[Hawkeye]

You're 3 for 3 on Malik, Rizwan and Shinwari. All proving to be mediocre investments (I know Shinwari had a good display today but only had one decent performance in the ODI series).

If in the 2000s when we had Inzy and Yousuf as our middle-order mainstays, you told me Hafeez and Malik would replace them at 4 and 5 a decade from now I'd have fainted.

Even Hafeez, who gets criticised no end, merits selection more than Malik. He averages 35 against top teams since the 2015 WC while "Malik 2.0" averages 29 at a much lower SR !

We saw how his legs were shaking against Lockie Ferguson, but it's not just extreme pace he struggles with. It's anything above 125 KPH. Yet we're taking him to the World Cup, and possibly the 2021 World Cup.

Thanks.

Unfortunately, Malik's today's knock will be hailed as ATG-esque, and any potential doubts that were rising on his spot in the team will all be erased.

That is how the brain of our selectors work.

They cannot see what's wrong with Malik and why he cannot play in the World Cup, or in World T20 (Australia).

Same goes for our fans.

He's one of the biggest liabilities in the team right now. And occupies a very important spot.

 

[Pete Rose]

This is all going to come down to inzi and Arthur now.
And Mani.
Because Malik’s position is untenable.

 

[Hawkeye]

This is all going to come down to inzi and Arthur now.
And Mani.
Because Malik’s position is untenable.

Arthur loves Malik.

Inzi will never drop an 'experienced' player.

Mani we all know, how clueless he is, already embarrassed us in the Sarfraz fiasco.

Bitter reality is Malik isn't going anywhere and will be a factor in us getting knocked out in the upcoming two tournaments.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Malik is here to stay. He has a knack of hitting these inconsequential scores which don't lead to victories but makes job harder for selection committees to drop him because they fear the public.

Pakistan have had so many series recently to try out their best young talent in domestic - but we are stuck with Malik, Hafeez and the like.

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

Great another thread on a player scoring the most runs today at 160+

Let’s overlook the duds

 

[rhony]

His score looks good. But remember this, no premier batsman will let the score go to 34 off 15. He came in the 10th over.

 

[Greenstorm]

Malik should not play T20Is for Pakistan. It is a format to test new batsmen. Next T20 WC is in 2020 and he won't be needed there in Australia.

 

[Pete Rose]

Arthur loves Malik.

Inzi will never drop an 'experienced' player.

Mani we all know, how clueless he is, already embarrassed us in the Sarfraz fiasco.

Bitter reality is Malik isn't going anywhere and will be a factor in us getting knocked out in the upcoming two tournaments.

I don’t think Arthur loves Malik but the issue is this:
- hafeez gets dropped and ends up finding a certain anchor on tv as best friend
- same for junaid khan
- same for Umar Akmal
- Mickey goes to town on shafiq, Azhar, and Sarfaraz in the test series
- and now he will be becpected to pull the trigger on Malik

Given that Mani has not provided any leadership or backing to either Arthur or inzi, they can’t do the needful

 

[Syed1]

Today you cannot fault Malik. He did all he could. The other batsmen specially Fakhar, Talat, Asif and Imad are more to blame. <---- uff so many bits and pieces in that list

 

[The Viper]

He really tried hard today. But whilst he is very good against pace, he can't really claer the ropes against pace. It did't help that the other partner didn't provide great support.

 

[Cric_lover4487]

Malik is the only cricketer who has been playing international cicket since i started watching cricket. Such a long career still I don’t know what his role in team is.

 

[waqar goraya]

Pakistan were always in the game today, but with Malik on the crease, I never expected him to take us to the win. He can't handle medium pace at all. His best productive shot against pace in T20s is usually outside edge to the right of keeper.

 

[Hawkeye]

Pakistan were always in the game today, but with Malik on the crease, I never expected him to take us to the win. He can't handle medium pace at all. His best productive shot against pace in T20s is usually outside edge to the right of keeper.

Basically this.

That's his only scoring shot for a single or double against the fast or medium pace bowlers.

Shockingly bad!!

 

[MenInG]

His birthday was celebrated by the team.

 

[Abdullah]

Shan Masood may be an option at number 3 or 4 given his stellar record in domestic cricket recently.but lets be real - he will be at best an Imam type player who could accumulate at a SR around 80-85 and make some decent scores. Besides - management sees him as an opener and since Fakhar and Imam aren't going anywhere - he may find it difficult to break into the ODI starting XI.

Worse case scenario is that he will flop just like Imran Farhat and Umar Amin have done!

He is an opener and has recently scored big hundreds in ListA at quick rate. On top of that his pull and cut is miles better than imam and he was assured of his game in the tests.
On that basis we can hope he will be an UPGRADE on imam.
He is an opener , let's not mess with him

 

[Pakpak]

Great another thread on a player scoring the most runs today at 160+

Let’s overlook the duds

I literally said above we should keep him for T20s when I made the thread

 

[Faiz_Ahmad]

He was the best batsman in the test series. He is in the ODI team. He hasn't played a single game. That's dubious

100% Agree

 

[UsmanhailsAfridi]

His score looks good. But remember this, no premier batsman will let the score go to 34 off 15. He came in the 10th over.

Yes as a wanna be premier batsman he should have made sure no one else got strike bc then they wouldn’t have gotten out

 

[Babbar]

Reading this thread makes me certain that Pakistan days in top 3 in T20 are numbered. I don’t know if Malik needs to be in team or not. But how can you humiliate the only player in Pak team that provides some stability, knows (better than other pak players) how to rotate strike and make runs ar a decent, not ABDV, rate. Other (except Babar, Imam) in Pak team are all poor Afridi-clones.

May be pak fans wants and deserves these Afridi clones.

 

[a_tahir]

Malik should not play T20Is for Pakistan. It is a format to test new batsmen. Next T20 WC is in 2020 and he won't be needed there in Australia.

But the problem is that he wants to play in the t20 WC.

 

[the Great Khan]

Reading this thread makes me certain that Pakistan days in top 3 in T20 are numbered. I don’t know if Malik needs to be in team or not. But how can you humiliate the only player in Pak team that provides some stability, knows (better than other pak players) how to rotate strike and make runs ar a decent, not ABDV, rate. Other (except Babar, Imam) in Pak team are all poor Afridi-clones.

May be pak fans wants and deserves these Afridi clones.

he's been olaying for twenty years. There are people on this forum who werent born when he started his career. He should be a legend but is just a mediocre player who never lived up to his percieved talent and remained in the side first through connectiosn and then through percieved seniority. He will never in us major pressure matches...

alot of people complain about Sarfi..malik isnt even fit to lace his boots and people will always remember srfraz..Malik is a footnote..

 

[Rana]

Pakistani cricketers as a whole do not really know the concept of letting the youngsters play unless those youngsters are ATG prospects. This phenomena is not only demonstrated at Intl cricket standard but it relays all the way down to club cricket, maybe even park cricket amongst the Pakistani community.

Let me explain the psychology behind this. Most of these players arem

a) uneducated and cricket is their only source of income+leisure. Cricket becomes their life in this way so they must rely on this as much as they can, for as long as they can. You will find uncles at the age of 50-53 trying to cling on as much as they can blocking the path for a deserving cricketer at all levels of the game.

b) Most of these cricketers were not given the same chance to play a key role during their younger years and had to job to these 'seniors', therefore a trend continues where the youngster that was neglected eventually develops into a 'senior' and they must have their late adolescence as a cricketer now dominating the team's key roles. Whilst at the same time, rake in as much money as they can because there really is a struggle of a life outside cricket for people who have no qualifications or strong background to carry them forth.

Examples of this are clear and evident. Players like Hafeez, Malik, Kamran Akmal, Mohammad Sami were not really good enough as youngsters to have teams built around them as compared to the likes of Babar Azam and Amir. They always had to play second fiddle to those who were dependable and were actually good, hence when those good players clear out you then finally get the opportunity to stake a claim in the side's important roles.

As long as the PCB senior committee members are those that are politically affiliated to certain groups and parties, this trend will never, ever change. The way to go is to make a person who hits the age of 33 feel as isolated as possible and a self realisation must occur for the player to believe that his time is up. Players should be retiring at 36.

 

[msb314]

He is an opener and has recently scored big hundreds in ListA at quick rate. On top of that his pull and cut is miles better than imam and he was assured of his game in the tests.
On that basis we can hope he will be an UPGRADE on imam.
He is an opener , let's not mess with him

Technically he is good but that is no guarantee he will succeed in international cricket - just look at Asad Shafiq and Shan's own Test form is testament to that.

Imam averages 60+ in ODI's so I'm sure he's not going away anytime soon - he has deserved his spot in the starting XI.