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What is the use of Asif Ali in the ODI team?

We wasted so much time on useless players like Hafeez, Shehzad, Umar Akmal and many like them and now betting impatience on talent like Asif.
 
Rayyman said:
Don't need that in this tournament. Asif will be more useful next year. He's not needed during the home season.
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I'd swap him out for Shadab. Anyone who has seen Shabby bat in the PSL know that he can actually up the SR very nicely if required. And we need his spin far more in this tournament than Asif's hackery.
 
Rayyman said:
We don't need that here. UAE is about grafting till 45 th over and hitting a few lucky boundaries later on.

A specialist power hitter isn't required.
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Really how close did we come to loosing this game

Imagine if there were proper quick bowlers, Malik wouldn’t have done anything
 
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pakistanigoneaussie said:
Really how close did we come to loosing this game

Imagine if there were proper quick bowlers, Malik wouldn’t have done anything
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I think Asif should only be played on flat decks. But to make this call, this think tank needs to read the pitch well :facepalm:. I think Pakistan are the worst at reading pitches.
 
Looks like a certified one Six Hack.. He will assure you that 1 monster six every match only to get out cheaply the very next ball. We as Indians, happy to see such hacks being overhyped by pakistan because these are simply no-impact players and lol at all those who are calling him a Finisher... He can't last more than 2 overs againist any quality opposition. I want to see him play next match against us because these are easy wickets for us you see!
 
Tyler Durden said:
Looks like a certified one Six Hack.. He will assure you that 1 monster six every match only to get out cheaply the very next ball. We as Indians, happy to see such hacks being overhyped by pakistan because these are simply no-impact players and lol at all those who are calling him a Finisher... He can't last more than 2 overs againist any quality opposition. I want to see him play next match against us because these are easy wickets for us you see!
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Indian fans clearly did not learn anything from last time. We have two more matches to go, not the time to get cocky. If there’s one team that rides the extremes, it’s Pakistan :))
 
Usman Chadda said:
Indian fans clearly did not learn anything from last time. We have two more matches to go, not the time to get cocky. If there’s one team that rides the extremes, it’s Pakistan :))
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Bring it on mate! We saw Pakistan's extremes already in the last 2 matches. It's going to be an easy-ride for our Kohli-less Grandpa 11!
 
Asif Ali is a finisher but so far hasn’t looked like that . Should not discard I guess let him play the Australia series then we can see where he stands
 
If only he could get 40s and 50s lower down the order, this guy could be quite handy. He hits a six even in scores of 7 and 8.
 
He hits the ball harder than anyone in the team, but it is pretty obvious why he has such awful numbers in domestic cricket.

He does not have any semblance of batting intelligence and awareness. However, we should wait and see if Mickey can harness the finesse side of his game.

Dropping him now tells us nothing. He should be given a decent run of games - it is not as if we are over-flooded with alternatives.
 
Rather than calling for his drop, fans should be interested to see how Mickey handles Asif’s non-existent batting intelligence. First match, ball keeping low, Jadhav to bowl, he plays a horizontal bat shot. This match, already a beautiful six hit off Rashid, proceeds to attempt another maximum. This guy needs a daily dose of danda and he might turn out to be decent in the long run.
 
Would always prefer Asif Ali over Faheem. Asif can win you a game, while Faheem is Pakistani Stuart Binny.
 
Mamoon said:
He hits the ball harder than anyone in the team, but it is pretty obvious why he has such awful numbers in domestic cricket.

He does not have any semblance of batting intelligence and awareness. However, we should wait and see if Mickey can harness the finesse side of his game.

Dropping him now tells us nothing. He should be given a decent run of games - it is not as if we are over-flooded with alternatives.
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This has regrettably been the problem for Pakistani batsmen in the recent era - if you are a naturally attacking batsman then you unfortunately are the ones lacking in intelligence and common sense, right from Imran Nazir to Umar Akmal and many in between. Yet if we look at other countries like Australia, India, England, South Africa, Sri Lanka even previously, they always produced attacking batsmen who were also blessed with some cricketing sense enabling them to take more calculated risks and play smarter cricket.

In the last 10-15 years, the only Pakistani batsmen who have come across as having some common sense are unfortunately those who are mainly of defensive mindset like Misbah, Younis Khan, Azhar Ali and to some extent Asad Shafiq as opposed to be natural stroke players.
 
UAE is not the barometer for how our team should look come the World Cup next year.

It isn't a coincidence that no team is yet to cross 300 yet.

Having said that, whilst Asif can be given the benefit of the doubt considering his game is really not suited at all for the large ground dimensions and slow wickets of the UAE, there is really no hiding from the fact that he is very one-dimensional.

It is either 6 or bust, which might come off in bilateral matches against phatta attacks, but is less likely to come off in the pressure situations of a World Cup.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
He is the only one apart from Fahkar who can hit pace and spin from the word go

We hardly have such players in Pak, hence you have to back Asif
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This is true for 90% of pitches and definitely for the WC in England but considering the UAE ground dimensions and slow wickets, he doesn't really have a use.

It isn't a coincidence that both Fakhar and Asif have failed against India and Afghanistan - their games are just not conducive to these low-scoring conditions.
 
He needs a run of games because we don't have many players in his mould. These pitches aren't really favourable for power hitters and stroke makers. Stick with him for now.
 
Madplayer said:
I think Asif should only be played on flat decks. But to make this call, this think tank needs to read the pitch well :facepalm:. I think Pakistan are the worst at reading pitches.
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2019 wc is th goal, everything is for that. Asif will do well on this pitches
 
So true about the comment about us not having stroke makers that are intelligent. Reminds me of the days of Hayden, Jaysuria, Gilchrist, Sehwag, Gibbs, Saeed Anwar etc. All of them were aggressive natural stroke makers, yet also had batting intelligence which made them very dangerous. In our case, you either get stroke makers, or you get intelligent accumulators.
 
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He can certainly strike the ball, he just needs to be more consistent and that will come with experience. However, I'd rather have Hussain Talat in the side, he can bowl a bit and bat better.
 
Has the power to be destructive. Give him a long leash he might win us a crucial world cup game.

I think we can afford to play him. Better option than anything else we have.
 
Asif Ali is a very good hitter but just like Afridi thinks the scores can only be achieved with 6s. Pak batsmen should learn to hit ground boundaries rather than going for 6 or just. He should be persisted with but for Indiamatch we need to replace him with Shadab to have another bowling option. Usman also seem to be lacking control due to his inexperience so Amir needs to return.
 
He's literally the only guy in our lower middle order who can hit from the get go and has a very specific role in this side, which is why there's a 50-50 chance he'll get out early. This is his job. There have been some absolutely idiotic threads over the last week or so on this forum, showing how majority of the posters here are brain dead and lack any analysis skills.
 
Get Anwar Ali back to do the finishing job and will give some overs also
 
He's here to stay, but for the Asia Cup specifically, Haris/Shadab/Faheem add a lot more as they contribute in multiple facets. Faheem can hit big and his bowling's been very decent. Shadab can bat and bowls spin, same with Haris.

I wouldn't keep any of the aforementioned players out for Asif on these pitches, ans therefore I'd bench him fpr the upcoming Asia Cup games.

Having said that, I wouldn't be too bothered to still find him in the XI next game as I know he has potential. Just that I would rather prefer others over him for this tournament.
 
He has had 5 innings yet. Just 5 innings. And people are calling for his head already. He was included in team in place of Haris. Now people are asking him to be dropped to make way for Haris again. Round and around we go.

The guy seems to have ability; let him work under Mickey for 15 more innings and you can throw him out if he still has this Afridi like mentality. But remember, all other options in middle order are grafters. None of them would provide power hitting of his level in final overs. We need someone like Asif down the order, even if he doesn't play against every opposition or at every ground. All he requires is some patience from us fans.
 
Asif Ali is there to provide Pakistan with something different. This is the reason Faheem Ashraf should also be in the line-up. People bash them both without realizing they have hardly played international city.
 
If he only plays for scoring 30 runs, then no need for him

we could easily get faheem ashraf to do his job.

Good for T20s, but no need for ODIs
 
He has only played 9 games in total and 5 innings, give him time. He brings the X factor for Pakistan.
 
Honestly dont see what he has that the likes of Sohaib Maqsood and Umar Akmal.

As much as I dislike them, I would rather have one of the two.
 
My god how many one paced batsmen do people want in this team ?

These quickfire cameos in the death overs is what we need from our late order batsmen. Not someone huffing and puffing at run a ball.
 
Good knock he can bat he should not think of himself as a hack can average 30-32 @125 with better batting intellect
 
9 games were enough to look at him

Seen him many times. He got his chance and he isnt good enough simple as that

I was a big fan of him, and used to advocate for his selection, but he hasnt proven anything. Yes he could strike it big, but we dont need just 30 runs from him. 40+ is what is required from him and if he cant do that then he cant play in odi cricket. He only last few balls.

IF we want to go for hit and miss then Faheem AShraf is a better option.

However, Asif Ali is a great addition for our t20 team, he is needed there.
 
Just a cameo but I loved how he destroyed Kumar. I'm sold, should give him a long run.
 
He hits the ball REALLY hard and he deserves a decent run but I don't think we can expect too much
 
Markhor said:
My god how many one paced batsmen do people want in this team ?

These quickfire cameos in the death overs is what we need from our late order batsmen. Not someone huffing and puffing at run a ball.
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Asif ali is a cameo player. Cameo players are only good if a player could also offer something else on the table aswell.

Like Faheem Ashraf.
Heck, even Umar gul could be asked to do the job
 
Major said:
Asif ali is a cameo player. Cameo players are only good if a player could also offer something else on the table aswell.

Like Faheem Ashraf.
Heck, even Umar gul could be asked to do the job
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Then don’t use him as cameo player. Make Ali the opener.
 
People need to realise that players can improve. Simple concept I know.

But sometimes you select players with potential and work on them so one day they can be very good cricketers for their countries.

Asif has potential to be a good hitter and he showed glimpses of that today. Not all players are going to set the world on fire in their first few matches.

Faheem isn’t performing with the bat either, but everyone is for his inclusion because just like Asif he has potential to be a good hitter.
 
Major said:
9 games were enough to look at him
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9 ODIs, in which he's batted 6 times.

Basically, you want to drop him on the basis of 2-3 failures in the Asia Cup on pitches that are the exception rather than the norm in ODI cricket.

Thankfully, I think the team management will not engage in such knee-jerk reactions.
 
He is a Hack

Nothing Player

Get a proper batsman like Azar Ali instead of this Hack

If he can not score on Asian pitches
Then what you expect him to do on Australian or Engalnd pitches ?
 
By comparison England have Buttler at 6 who is one of the most destructive batsmen in LOI, is a WK and vice captain. Aus and NZ have M Marsh and de Grandhomme who make the team alone on batting alone and can be a dependable fourth seamer.

Can't bowl and he has the technique of a gully mohalla cricketer. There is nothing in his game other than a couple of pre meditated blind eyed cross batted shots. He might win you a game or two but over the long run he will turn out to be a liability due to his lack of consistency and overall utility to the team.
 
Oppos are scared of the guy already. This guy needs to be given a proper run. I said it before yesterday and I will say it again, if the quicks miss their length by a fraction , it's gonna be 6
 
The last match suggests he's a clean hitter of the ball. However, I'm not sure yet if he can play a long innings, atleast 50+ at this level. Will see how he does over the remaining matches, but from what I've seen so far it seems he might be ideal for t20 coming in for a few overs giving it a whack, but for odis I might prefer a proper batsmen on his place who can rotate the strike and go big when the team requires. But let's give him a chance, who knows could be the new hero for pakistan in a few days.
 
Give him some more games. I am hoping that with more game time he will learn how to build an innings and improve his strike rotation.
 
OMG Hasan123 !!!

With all due respect he should know how to do this. If he does'nt then he needs to go back to the field (domestics) and chew on some more grass!!

Would you be as flexible with and kind and give a long haul pilot the time to learn how to use a boeing 747. No way the guy needs to know how to fly it and handle situations.
 
willegg said:
OMG Hasan123 !!!

With all due respect he should know how to do this. If he does'nt then he needs to go back to the field (domestics) and chew on some more grass!!

Would you be as flexible with and kind and give a long haul pilot the time to learn how to use a boeing 747. No way the guy needs to know how to fly it and handle situations.
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this comes with experience. this guy should be given proper run, may 2,3 more series.
 
willegg said:
OMG Hasan123 !!!

With all due respect he should know how to do this. If he does'nt then he needs to go back to the field (domestics) and chew on some more grass!!

Would you be as flexible with and kind and give a long haul pilot the time to learn how to use a boeing 747. No way the guy needs to know how to fly it and handle situations.
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Domestics won't help him any further. He needs international exposure. We don't have many batsmen of his profile. We should give him a run of games.
 
he's a mindless slogger - a player who is better suited for the 90s, not 2018

today we need someone who isn't just a slogger, but can actually build an innings and bat properly

that being said, I am not opposed to giving him a few more games. but the leash is really short at this point.

I'd rather Faheem play that role
 
This guy needs to improve his game against spin every time he faces a quality spinner he struggles, but he he is very good against the pacers.
 
A guy who can come in at number six and smoke the opposition for a few sixes has his own value in an ODI team. Averages be damned.

I hope Pakistan gives Asif a longer run.
 
Seemed to be playing a bit smarter today pressure but didn't stay at the wicket till the end.
 
Mamoon said:
He is our Buttler.
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No. For one, he does not offer anything other than his batting. If he was a decent bowler or a wicket-keeper, he would be far more valuable.

Since we have a dearth or lower-order sloggers, Asif needs to be given every chance to succeed. Because if it is not him, then we will have to go back to Umar Akmal.
 
He is just not an international player. He has nothing at all going for him.
 
Look UAE pitches don't suit his and fakhars has style. He needs to be given a chance abroad will get to see his worth if he is played on English South African pitches next year. Can't drop him yet. No knee jerk needed.
 
Kashmirilion said:
Look UAE pitches don't suit his and fakhars has style. He needs to be given a chance abroad will get to see his worth if he is played on English South African pitches next year. Can't drop him yet. No knee jerk needed.
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I'm sorry but at #6-7 you have to be able to get 70-80 runs when the team needs it. Asif will usually get you 20-30 and 50 once in a blue moon.
 
Should stick to T20s for now. Think he's a luxury we can't afford atm. If he bowled, maybe he could play at 7 but he doesn't.
 
The whole team has a horrible tournament and who does everyone blame? The player who's only played 9 matches and is the only real hitter in the team. Way to go guys.
 
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