What Pakistan XI would you pick if we go by the post 2015 England route to success?

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Suppose PCB now wakes up and we now decide to go down the England route. What squad would you pick for a new look Pakistani ODI squad?

This is mine:
Sharjeel Khan
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam (C)
Mohammad Rizwan (WK and VC
Tayyab Tahir
Saim Ayub
Agha Salman
Aamer Jamal
Abrar Ahmed
Naseem Shah
Shaheen Afridi
 
Suppose PCB now wakes up and we now decide to go down the England route. What squad would you pick for a new look Pakistani ODI squad?

This is mine:
Sharjeel Khan
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam (C)
Mohammad Rizwan (WK and VC
Tayyab Tahir
Saim Ayub
Agha Salman
Aamer Jamal
Abrar Ahmed
Naseem Shah
Shaheen Afridi
Stopped reading after number 4
 
Suppose PCB now wakes up and we now decide to go down the England route. What squad would you pick for a new look Pakistani ODI squad?

This is mine:
Sharjeel Khan
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam (C)
Mohammad Rizwan (WK and VC
Tayyab Tahir
Saim Ayub
Agha Salman
Aamer Jamal
Abrar Ahmed
Naseem Shah
Shaheen Afridi

I’m not sure about what team I’d select as a whole, as I haven’t seen some of the youngsters play. I know for sure Shadab and Nawaz should be dropped. Also I’d like them to play Zaman khan, he performed well when he featured in the Asia cup.
 
I’m not sure about what team I’d select as a whole, as I haven’t seen some of the youngsters play. I know for sure Shadab and Nawaz should be dropped. Also I’d like them to play Zaman khan, he performed well when he featured in the Asia cup.
Zaman is very raw. He is the type of bowler I expect to be very expensive at this stage of his career.
 
OPs team wouldn't achieve 10% of what England's team has done

A better XI would be
1. Sharjeel
2. Fakhar/Saim
3. Saud
4. Babar/Omair yusuf
5. Sarfraz
6. Azam Khan
7. Danish Aziz
8. Imad
9. Abrar
10. Mir Hamza
11. Dahani/Hasnain
 
Well then kick them out. Be ruthless or stay mediocre
Babar will never be dropped in his career. He is doing his job fine as an accumulator. With Rizwan, their are no other reliable wicketkeepers in the country and he is doing well with the bat recently.
 
OPs team wouldn't achieve 10% of what England's team has done

A better XI would be
1. Sharjeel
2. Fakhar/Saim
3. Saud
4. Babar/Omair yusuf
5. Sarfraz
6. Azam Khan
7. Danish Aziz
8. Imad
9. Abrar
10. Mir Hamza
11. Dahani/Hasnain

Best team we can possibly make

Anyways any team with Rizwan batting at 4 is a team which shouldn't be taken seriously
 
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Best team we can possibly make

Anyways any team with Rizwan batting at 4 is a team which shouldn't be taken seriously
So we should go back to a 37 yr old Sarfraz as the keeper? And how is Azam Khan going to field? Have you even watched Danish Aziz play international cricket, easily one of the worst batsmen I've seen.

Any team with Dahani, Hasnain and Mir Hamza should never be taken seriously. All three are trash and going to have 0/80 figures every match.
 
So we should go back to a 37 yr old Sarfraz as the keeper? And how is Azam Khan going to field? Have you even watched Danish Aziz play international cricket, easily one of the worst batsmen I've seen.

Any team with Dahani, Hasnain and Mir Hamza should never be taken seriously. All three are trash and going to have 0/80 figures every match.
our number 4 (who I believe is horrendous) got to pick and choose to play in that position. Not sure why Danish Aziz or anyone else for that matter can’t play international cricket if that’s the case
 
Same posters, posting same irrelevant stuff.

Read what Op is asking for.
 
Suppose PCB now wakes up and we now decide to go down the England route. What squad would you pick for a new look Pakistani ODI squad?

This is mine:
Sharjeel Khan
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam (C)
Mohammad Rizwan (WK and VC
Tayyab Tahir
Saim Ayub
Agha Salman
Aamer Jamal
Abrar Ahmed
Naseem Shah
Shaheen Afridi
Tbf, we need fresh blood. The England route was a complete overhaul.

What you mentioned and wrote is the same tired faces over and over minus a few exceptions like saim ayub, Abrar, aamer jamal etc.

What England did was a massive overhaul, like replacing their joke openers with Roy and bairstow who were in form and ready to take the bazzball approach.

As well as finding Butler as the perfect finisher and Stokes as the perfect allrounder.

Only problem was Joe root which Morgan later admitted he wish he had taken Alex Hales as no 3 instead.

If you want the England route, then the entire team needs to change and adopt aggressive play alongside aggressive bowling.

That won't happen with babar and rizwan


The 11 shpuld be players like tayyab, Saim etc.
 
I will say my opinion clearly. I don't believe Pakistan have a better option than Mohammad Rizwan as an ODI wicketkeeper.

He has his limitations for sure. But Sarfraz is out of the picture. He won't be around for the next world cup.

Rizwan's only competition at the moment is Haris. Who is not ready for international ODI cricket yet.
 
I will say my opinion clearly. I don't believe Pakistan have a better option than Mohammad Rizwan as an ODI wicketkeeper.

He has his limitations for sure. But Sarfraz is out of the picture. He won't be around for the next world cup.

Rizwan's only competition at the moment is Haris. Who is not ready for international ODI cricket yet.
Brother your assessment is fair but you need to realise that rizzu was a failure before his respite given to him by misbah at opening.

Before his 2019 breakout with 2 hundreds the dude was a failure from 2015 to 2019.

It takes years to develop a player.

We have 4 years, so haris needs to be groomed and given the go ahead.

Rizwan's ceiling is reached and the title of the thread which is to determine how Pakistan shpuld adopt the England 2015 to 2019 overhaul strategy needs to be achieved by grooming haris for the next 4 years since he fits in the mould of bazzballing.

Rizzu has reached his ceiling.
 
Tbf, we need fresh blood. The England route was a complete overhaul.

What you mentioned and wrote is the same tired faces over and over minus a few exceptions like saim ayub, Abrar, aamer jamal etc.

What England did was a massive overhaul, like replacing their joke openers with Roy and bairstow who were in form and ready to take the bazzball approach.

As well as finding Butler as the perfect finisher and Stokes as the perfect allrounder.

Only problem was Joe root which Morgan later admitted he wish he had taken Alex Hales as no 3 instead.

If you want the England route, then the entire team needs to change and adopt aggressive play alongside aggressive bowling.

That won't happen with babar and rizwan


The 11 shpuld be players like tayyab, Saim etc.
I understand where you are coming from. But we can't pick 11 new players. My lineup is based on reality rather than fantasy.

We don't have suitable players to replace Babar and Rizwan. Babar can score at a 60 average, no one else can in Pakistan. Rizwan as a keeper is better than all other keepers in Pakistan. He might not be the most aggressive with the bat, but the more aggressive options are less reliable with both bat and gloves.
 
If you want to copy England's post-2015 approach, Mohammad Haris or Azam Khan should be selected for the keeper position (they can hit better).
 
I understand where you are coming from. But we can't pick 11 new players. My lineup is based on reality rather than fantasy.

We don't have suitable players to replace Babar and Rizwan. Babar can score at a 60 average, no one else can in Pakistan. Rizwan as a keeper is better than all other keepers in Pakistan. He might not be the most aggressive with the bat, but the more aggressive options are less reliable with both bat and gloves.
The issue is your post itself is Fantasy. You're asking for a complete England overhaul, I'm telling you how England overhauled.

They replaced all 14 players with fresh blood. Only Morgan was the one who stayed to captain and he himself was an aggressive leader who adopted bazzballing.

So the post itself is weird, you're saying you want reality but bring my a fantasy of how we can copy England?

England succeed by replacing 14 of their 15 players and having them all groomed, and ready to adopt aggressive play.
 
If you want to copy England's post-2015 approach, Mohammad Haris or Azam Khan should be selected for the keeper position (they can hit better).

We don't need only hitters. We need players who can hit the ball and build innings, and can play according to the situation. Therefore Haris and Azam are not fit for these roles
 
OPs team wouldn't achieve 10% of what England's team has done

A better XI would be
1. Sharjeel
2. Fakhar/Saim
3. Saud
4. Babar/Omair yusuf
5. Sarfraz
6. Azam Khan
7. Danish Aziz
8. Imad
9. Abrar
10. Mir Hamza
11. Dahani/Hasnain
Why have the 1-2 non-Karachi players? Itni mehrbani kyun?
Replace them with mediocrity from Karachi as well
 
The issue is your post itself is Fantasy. You're asking for a complete England overhaul, I'm telling you how England overhauled.

They replaced all 14 players with fresh blood. Only Morgan was the one who stayed to captain and he himself was an aggressive leader who adopted bazzballing.

So the post itself is weird, you're saying you want reality but bring my a fantasy of how we can copy England?

England succeed by replacing 14 of their 15 players and having them all groomed, and ready to adopt aggressive play.
Okay brother. I see your point. If we give Haris or Azam Khan 4 years to develop do you think they can average 35 + and a 120 SR and be reliable with the gloves?
 
The issue is your post itself is Fantasy. You're asking for a complete England overhaul, I'm telling you how England overhauled.

They replaced all 14 players with fresh blood. Only Morgan was the one who stayed to captain and he himself was an aggressive leader who adopted bazzballing.

So the post itself is weird, you're saying you want reality but bring my a fantasy of how we can copy England?

England succeed by replacing 14 of their 15 players and having them all groomed, and ready to adopt aggressive play.
No they did NOT replace 15 players. Another factual mistake from you like always

Jos Buttler, Moeen Ali, Joe Root, Alex Hales, Chris Woakes, Morgan all played in the 2015 defeat vs Bangladesh and apart from Alex Hales (disciplinary issues otherwise played regularly from 2015 to 2019) all others played in the 2019 World Cup as well

No sane Cricket Board would replace 14/15 lol
Only some posters here have that opinion. And thank God they don't have any position of authority
 
We don't need only hitters. We need players who can hit the ball and build innings, and can play according to the situation. Therefore Haris and Azam are not fit for these roles
We need people who know their roles. That's what England did.

Roy and Bairstow knew their roles. They weren't expected to bat through the innings, yes occasionally one of them would manage 150+ monster totals, but more often then not they knew its impossible to do that every game.

Morgan instructed them to provide aggressive starts only.

Root was instructed to bat through and anchor but he was later replaced by Alex Hales post Morgan era since his role was to expand on the start provided.

Morgan and Stokes job was to either build and innings if a collapse happened to Carry on with the rr and butler's job was to finish.

The reason England succeeded is because Morgan identified and assigned everyone proper roles which were

1) Roy and Bairstow: Aggressive start
2) Root: Bat through the innings
3) Morgan and Stokes: Play according to RR
4) Butler: Finish the innings.

What was pakistan's role in 2023?

What role do imam and Abdullah play at opening? Providing start? Anchoring?

What role does babar and rizwan play then? Also anchoring and platform building?

Okay what roles does saud play? Also platform building?

Okay then what role does shadab and Nawaz play?

Besides fakhar who's role is to provide starts and chacha who's role is to finish, it's not clear what everyone's role even in the team is? Meaning no role = they do whatever they want which is to play for themselves
 
Why have the 1-2 non-Karachi players? Itni mehrbani kyun?
Replace them with mediocrity from Karachi as well
Stop making it an ethnic issue. It's not my fault that most of our best are around Karachi.

If it's any consolation for you, if Amir was not retired I'd select him in a heart beat. I also wouldn't mind seeing Haseebullah, Asif Ali, Mohammad Haris and Ishanullah in the side
 
No they did NOT replace 15 players. Another factual mistake from you like always

Jos Buttler, Moeen Ali, Joe Root, Alex Hales, Chris Woakes, Morgan all played in the 2015 defeat vs Bangladesh and apart from Alex Hales (disciplinary issues otherwise played regularly from 2015 to 2019) all others played in the 2019 World Cup as well

No sane Cricket Board would replace 14/15 lol
Only some posters here have that opinion. And thank God they don't have any position of authority
Butler, Root, Hales, woakes never had a defined role in the team in 2015.

The reason 2019 improved was because everyone was delivered an assigned role in the squad.

Also you make more factual mistakes then me.

Don't turn everything into a war. Calm down
 
What is karachi player? What nonsense is this?
This nonsense was stated by the poster who picked

Sarfraz
Azam
DANISH AZIZ
Omair Yousuf
Saud
Saim
Abrar
Mir Hamza

All from one city. If you CANT see biasness here, then God help you
 
Okay brother. I see your point. If we give Haris or Azam Khan 4 years to develop do you think they can average 35 + and a 120 SR and be reliable with the gloves?
Azam Khan no, haris yes.

Also no one can Average a 120 sr lol, even de villers had a 103 sr.
 
Stop making it an ethnic issue. It's not my fault that most of our best are around Karachi.

If it's any consolation for you, if Amir was not retired I'd select him in a heart beat. I also wouldn't mind seeing Haseebullah, Asif Ali, Mohammad Haris and Ishanullah in the side
I don't care about ethnicity.
 
This nonsense was stated by the poster who picked

Sarfraz
Azam
DANISH AZIZ
Omair Yousuf
Saud
Saim
Abrar
Mir Hamza

All from one city. If you CANT see biasness here, then God help you



This is not bias. All players belong to Pakistan, and we are one nation. It doesn't matter if he thinks more talent is coming from Karachi side, but dividing the team into Karachi and Lahore is not good for unity.
 
I don't give two damns about ethnicity.

but you on the other hand ckearly do, and now don't try to act like the bigger man when you are not
Stop derailing this thread. OP asked a question about what XI should Pakistan select and I gave my answer. Instead of analysing my team and using facts to argue your claims, you bring up the issue of ethnicity and ruin any kind of proper discourse we could have
 
Squad based on English template

Saim Ayub
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Azam Khan
Qasim Akram (c)
Mohammad Haris (w)
Mubashir Khan
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Mohammad Wasim Jr
Naseem Shah
Abrar Ahmed

Reserves: Sharjeel Khan, Kamran Ghulam, Abbas Afridi, Zahid Mehmood
 
This is not bias. All players belong to Pakistan, and we are one nation. It doesn't matter if he thinks more talent is coming from Karachi side, but dividing the team into Karachi and Lahore is not good for unity

How Danish Aziz got into his team? And how it's a coincidence that 8/11 he picked were from one city

Cmon man. Just leave it. You know and I know who is at fault here
 
Sharjeel and fakhar are 34/33 year old. I wouldn't want two guys in mid 30s going ahead. Maybe you can play both in T20is but not on ODIs

For odis
Fakhar
Rizwan (to separate him and Babar, got to open with him)
Saim
Babar
Saud
Tayyab/Qasim akram(Any aggressive middle order bat)
Arafat minhas/mubasir
Shaheen
Naseem
Ihsanullah/zaman/hasnain
Abrar

give this team a fo for some time
 
Azam Khan no, haris yes.

Also no one can Average a 120 sr lol, even de villers had a 103 sr.
Ab de Villiers played in a different era. He made his debut in mid 2000s. Do not compare him players of this era based on stats.
 
Well if you want to go England route then get someone like Andrew Strauss/ Rob Key the boss.

If the incharge is someone likeZaka Ashraf or Najam Sethi then we are doomed to loose, no matter what squad you pick.
 
Ab de Villiers played in a different era. He made his debut in mid 2000s. Do not compare him players of this era based on stats.
Doesn't matter which era, de villers also played in the new era as well lol.

No one on the planet has ever averaged a 120 sr consistently lol.

Not even shahid afridi 😂😂
 
Suppose PCB now wakes up and we now decide to go down the England route. What squad would you pick for a new look Pakistani ODI squad?

This is mine:
Sharjeel Khan
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam (C)
Mohammad Rizwan (WK and VC
Tayyab Tahir
Saim Ayub
Agha Salman
Aamer Jamal
Abrar Ahmed
Naseem Shah
Shaheen Afridi
Lol, Sharjeel Khan is very overrated, he is a leg side hack.


This would be a good lineup, but still won't be able to challenge quality teams.
  1. Fakhar
  2. Haris
  3. Ayub
  4. Azam
  5. Rizwan
  6. Iftikhar
  7. Shadab
  8. Shaheen
  9. Naseem
  10. Wasim
  11. A quality spinner
 
Doesn't matter which era, de villers also played in the new era as well lol.

No one on the planet has ever averaged a 120 sr consistently lol.

Not even shahid afridi 😂😂
Era matters

De Villiers made his debut in 2005 and till the end of 2009, his SR was 86.

From 2014-2018, he scored 3246 @63.64 and S/R of 119 in 69 innings
 
OPs team wouldn't achieve 10% of what England's team has done

A better XI would be
1. Sharjeel
2. Fakhar/Saim
3. Saud
4. Babar/Omair yusuf
5. Sarfraz
6. Azam Khan
7. Danish Aziz
8. Imad
9. Abrar
10. Mir Hamza
11. Dahani/Hasnain
Are you talking about sharjeel khan? If yes then shame on us, should get ban from cricket permanently after what he have done in past. Shameful
 
The ODI team can be formed after the Pakistan Cup 2023. Top performers should get chances and stay in the team for the long term.
 
Still not 120 👺
😑

on topic, Pakistan themselves used to have batters who were attacking wrt to the era they played in before Misbah took over. Pakistan doesn't need an ABD but they need courageous batters who are ready to go for a big target. Guys like Ijaz Ahmed and Salim Malik weren't supremely talented but they were courageous in their approach. NZ were lying at the 8th spot in ODIs in the early 2010a before McCullum transformed their side.
 
😑

on topic, Pakistan themselves used to have batters who were attacking wrt to the era they played in before Misbah took over. Pakistan doesn't need an ABD but they need courageous batters who are ready to go for a big target. Guys like Ijaz Ahmed and Salim Malik weren't supremely talented but they were courageous in their approach. NZ were lying at the 8th spot in ODIs in the early 2010a before McCullum transformed their side.

❤️❤️, well said.
 
T20’s

Sharjeel Khan
Saim Ayub
Fakhar Zaman
Tayyab Tahir
Shoaib Malik (c)
Azam Khan
Mohammad Haris (wk)
Shaheen Afridi
Naseem Shah
Haris Raif
Ihsanullah

With Shoaib Malik in the team there’s no need for a specialist spinner. This is a squad built just for the next WT20 which will be in the Caribbean.

ODI’s

Fakhar Zaman (c)
Saim Ayub
Babar Azam
Saud Shakeel
Tayyab Tahir
Mohammad Haris (wk)
Amir Jamal
Shaheen Afridi
Naseem Shah
Ihsanullah
Abrar Ahmed

Like the T20 xi, I’ve gone with 4 fast bowlers given that the WC will be in Africa, and 2 spinners (Saud + Abrar)

We need a captain that can take the pressure of the team with is attacking approach, Fakhar is the right man for the job. Knowing that he’s the captain and his place in the team is secured for the next 4 years will give him the freedom to play his natural game.

Test

Sarfaraz Ahmed (c)
Shan Masood
Saud Shakeel
Babar Azam
Mohammad Rizwan
Salman Agha
Amir Jamal
Hasan Ali
Mir Hamza
Shahnawaz Dahani
Abrar Ahmed

No Shaheen and No Naseem.

You cannot expect your star bowlers to play every format, every game and on top of that franchise cricket.

I couldn’t give a toss if they don’t pick up 500 test wickets, I want trophies, not personal achievements.

I want to see Naseem and Shaheen running in full sprint at a World Cup. That isn’t going to happen if they’re playing Test cricket. Let them play franchise cricket and LOI’s.
 
Much rather follow a sustained India / Australia path to success than England's 4 year flash in the pan which only got them a tied World Cup at best.
 
There doesn't seem to be many exceptionally skilled players in our domestic circuit. Except one or two names.
Really no one comes to mind when I think about replacements
 
T20’s

Sharjeel Khan
Saim Ayub
Fakhar Zaman
Tayyab Tahir
Shoaib Malik (c)
Azam Khan
Mohammad Haris (wk)
Shaheen Afridi
Naseem Shah
Haris Raif
Ihsanullah

With Shoaib Malik in the team there’s no need for a specialist spinner. This is a squad built just for the next WT20 which will be in the Caribbean.

ODI’s

Fakhar Zaman (c)
Saim Ayub
Babar Azam
Saud Shakeel
Tayyab Tahir
Mohammad Haris (wk)
Amir Jamal
Shaheen Afridi
Naseem Shah
Ihsanullah
Abrar Ahmed

Like the T20 xi, I’ve gone with 4 fast bowlers given that the WC will be in Africa, and 2 spinners (Saud + Abrar)

We need a captain that can take the pressure of the team with is attacking approach, Fakhar is the right man for the job. Knowing that he’s the captain and his place in the team is secured for the next 4 years will give him the freedom to play his natural game.

Test

Sarfaraz Ahmed (c)
Shan Masood
Saud Shakeel
Babar Azam
Mohammad Rizwan
Salman Agha
Amir Jamal
Hasan Ali
Mir Hamza
Shahnawaz Dahani
Abrar Ahmed

No Shaheen and No Naseem.

You cannot expect your star bowlers to play every format, every game and on top of that franchise cricket.

I couldn’t give a toss if they don’t pick up 500 test wickets, I want trophies, not personal achievements.

I want to see Naseem and Shaheen running in full sprint at a World Cup. That isn’t going to happen if they’re playing Test cricket. Let them play franchise cricket and LOI’s.
Shoaib Malik ???? I thought someone re-posted 2018 post . I think Wasim Akram would be a better choice if playing a fantasy game , irrespective of player age.
 
I'd go down the route of playing your best batsmen in top 3. The guys who will have the best stats and combination of averages and SR. I'd also probably play the same team in ODIs and in T20s. I would like to see Rizwan and Fakhar up top and see how that works.

1. Fakhar
2. Rizwan
3. Babar
4. Saud
5. Not sure. Either you play a makeshift middle order batsman here. Or maybe go with Salman Agha. Ideally I would want to play Azam Khan here, but his fitness prevents me to. Could play Tayyab here, but I haven't seen much of him.
6. Iftikhar
7. Imad
8. Shaheen
9. Haris/Ishanullah
10. Naseem Shah
11. Abrar
 
Australia and India copied England.

Australia and India were doing what England were doing a full decade before England caught on to it. No, there were no 400+ scores but the mentality and approach was the same for the ODIs of that particular era, minus the rashness which England displayed.
 
Pakistan firing fiesta XI

Fakhar
Saim
Haris +
Babar c
Azam
Iftikhar
Khusdil /Asif Ali
SSA
Naseem
WasimJr.
Abrar

It will be roller ride mostly as this team doesn't have capacity to play 20 overs let alone 50 overs
 
Suppose PCB now wakes up and we now decide to go down the England route. What squad would you pick for a new look Pakistani ODI squad?

This is mine:
Sharjeel Khan
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam (C)
Mohammad Rizwan (WK and VC
Tayyab Tahir
Saim Ayub
Agha Salman
Aamer Jamal
Abrar Ahmed
Naseem Shah
Shaheen Afridi

Sharjeel is an overweight fixer so no thank you

Taayub is also 30 years old so cannot be our long term option..

Also Saim Ayub at no. 6 is not the right position for him - he needs to play up the order..

This is what I would do:

1. Saim Ayub
2. Abdullah Shafiq
3. Babar Azam
4. Saud Shakeel
5. Mohammad Haris
6. Azam Khan
7. Aamer Jamal
8. Shadab Khan
9. Abrar Ahmed
10. Naseem Shah
11. Shaheen Afridi
 
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