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What should be Pakistan's 28-member squad for the tour of England?

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25 members - that's a big number. We're definitely going to see a few domestic performers in the scene. Players like Amin, Usman Salahuddin, Ehsan Adil, Imran Rafiq (and Butt) and maybe even Saud and Saad could make the team.

Sarfraz is definitely going with the team (unfortunately). Looks like we are going with 2 wks because it's a long tour and it is impossible that Misbah would drop Rizwan after his performance in Australia.

Even emerging players like Haider, Rohail, Haris, Musa and Usman Qadir would be taken by Misbah (so they can gain experience).
Extremely excited for this.
 
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Take everyone who is in Central Contract plus Wahab and Amir as a bowling machine so our batsman can get as muc practice as they can...
 
If it is indeed 25 players, here is my predicted squad:

Abid Ali
Shan Masood
Fakhar Zaman
Imam ul Haq

Azhar Ali
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
Asad Shafiq
Haider Ali

Sarfaraz Ahmed
Mohammad Rizwan
Rohail Nazir

Iftikhar Ahmed
Faheem Ashraf

Shaheen Shah Afridi
Naseem Shah
Imran Khan
Mohammad Abbas
Usman Shinwari
Hasan Ali
Mohammad Musa Khan

Yasir Shah
Zafar Gohar
Shadab Khan
Usman Qadir
 
If it is indeed 25 players, here is my predicted squad:

Abid Ali
Shan Masood
Fakhar Zaman
Imam ul Haq

Azhar Ali
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
Asad Shafiq
Haider Ali

Sarfaraz Ahmed
Mohammad Rizwan
Rohail Nazir

Iftikhar Ahmed
Faheem Ashraf

Shaheen Shah Afridi
Naseem Shah
Imran Khan
Mohammad Abbas
Usman Shinwari
Hasan Ali
Mohammad Musa Khan

Yasir Shah
Zafar Gohar
Shadab Khan
Usman Qadir

Don't think Fakhar will make it to Tests or T20s - I'm guessing they'll restrict him to ODIs for now, if anything.

Also, Hasan seems to be out for the next 8 months atleast.

Think it's too soon for Rohail. Haider will probably be there for the T20s though.

Apart from this, I see Hasnain and Rauf being in there as well (T20s). Imad also a certainty for T20s.

Rest sounds about right.
 
Is it going to be a full tour?

Like with ODIs, T20s and Tests?

If not 25 players is way too much.
 
Is it going to be a full tour?

Like with ODIs, T20s and Tests?

If not 25 players is way too much.

Based on reports, it looks like we're looking at the originally scheduled games to go ahead, i.e. 3 Tests and 3 T20Is. There were other reports saying that we may even see 4 or 5 Tests instead though, but I don't think that looks likely at the moment.
 
5 tests was only mentioned if Windies were not to tour.... now that Windies are touring its only 3 tests max and t20
 
The PCB has reportedly agreed to send a single group of 25 players for both the Test and T20I series in order to minimise air travel.
 
Based on reports, it looks like we're looking at the originally scheduled games to go ahead, i.e. 3 Tests and 3 T20Is. There were other reports saying that we may even see 4 or 5 Tests instead though, but I don't think that looks likely at the moment.

Ah okay, thanks bro!
 
If it is indeed 25 players, here is my predicted squad:

Abid Ali
Shan Masood
Fakhar Zaman
Imam ul Haq

Azhar Ali
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
Asad Shafiq
Haider Ali

Sarfaraz Ahmed
Mohammad Rizwan
Rohail Nazir

Iftikhar Ahmed
Faheem Ashraf

Shaheen Shah Afridi
Naseem Shah
Imran Khan
Mohammad Abbas
Usman Shinwari
Hasan Ali
Mohammad Musa Khan

Yasir Shah
Zafar Gohar
Shadab Khan
Usman Qadir

You are forgetting Mohammad Hafeez and Shoaib Malik. These were match winners against Bangladesh and will be there for sure.
 
Updated squad since I missed a few names:

Abid Ali
Shan Masood
Fakhar Zaman
Imam ul Haq

Azhar Ali
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
Asad Shafiq
Fawad Alam
Haider Ali

Sarfaraz Ahmed
Mohammad Rizwan

Iftikhar Ahmed
Mohammad Hafeez
Shoaib Malik
Imad Wasim

Shaheen Shah Afridi
Naseem Shah
Imran Khan
Mohammad Abbas
Mohammad Hasnain
Haris Rauf

Yasir Shah
Shadab Khan
Usman Qadir


Dropped Zafar Gohar since I can’t see who else they would drop for him (even though I would want him there over Usman Qadir). Also dropped Musa Khan and Faheem Ashraf for the same reason.

Not sure who else Misbah would drop for these guys. I thought 25 would be easy to make but assuming you’re still onboarding players like Malik it’s going to be hard to open up spots
 
I think, they will send combined squad (Test, T20) together - not only to minimise multiple travelling, but from practice perspective as well.

The series is unique in a sense that it’s two extremes- Test & T20; if we combine both squads with “specialists”, for most teams the number should reach 23-25. Previously, two squads used to travel one after another, now they’ll do together - Test “specialists” will give net practice for T20 squad & other way round during Test series. On top of that, they’ll need to take 3 WKs considering the hassle (& 14 days “remand” period) for a replacement.

I’ll take these 16 for Test:

Shan, Abid, Imam, Babar, Azhar, Asad, Haris, Rizwan, Sarfraz, Yasir, Abbas, Shaheen, Naseem, Sameen, Shadab and one open spot for all-rounder (Ifthekhar or Faheem) or a specialist pacer (Rahat).

I’ll take these 15 for T20s:

Babar, Fakhar, Haider, Iftekhar, MoHa, Malik, Khusdil, Sarfraz, Shadab, Imad, Shaheen, Amir, Wahab, Rauf & one open spot for an all-rounder (Faheem/Yamin), or a specialist T20 batsman (Asif Ali/KAkmal) or a pure pacer (Hasnain).


Combining both squads, I think we get around 29-30 names definitely. However, I have used more names for open spots in both squads - some won’t make it. Net, net the unique number should be around 25 - only Babar, Shaheen, Shadab & may be Sarfraz, Rizwan & Iftekhar are certain for both squads.
 
16 for tests
Shan,abid,imaam,babar,azhar,asad,harris,rizwan,sarfraz,yasir,abbas,shaheen,naseem,sameen,Rahim

T20s
Babar,fakhar,haider,iftikhar,khushdil,sarfraz,shadab,imad,shaheen,amir,rauf,sharjeel,yamin,husnain,asif ali

Based on the to squads 15 in each babar,shaheen,iftikhar and maybe sarfraz/rizwan could get in both squads which then comes 26
 
Don't think Fakhar will make it to Tests or T20s - I'm guessing they'll restrict him to ODIs for now, if anything.

Also, Hasan seems to be out for the next 8 months atleast.

Think it's too soon for Rohail. Haider will probably be there for the T20s though.

Apart from this, I see Hasnain and Rauf being in there as well (T20s). Imad also a certainty for T20s.

Rest sounds about right.

Fakhar could play in both squads but dnt think he will.rohail nazir dont see him in the squad unless they looking to groom him in but a resonable squad for both
 
enough of Umar Amin, Usman Salahuddin, Ehsan Adil.. don't want to see them anymore - same goes for Hafeez, Malik, Wahab.

Imam, Haider, Saud, Saad would be good back up batsmen.
Bowling of Shaheen, Rauf, Husnain, Naseem, Abbas + couple of spinners.

I'd take Sharjeel over Fakhar for T20's
 
25 members - that's a big number. We're definitely going to see a few domestic performers in the scene. Players like Amin, Usman Salahuddin, Ehsan Adil, Imran Rafiq (and Butt) and maybe even Saud and Saad could make the team.

Sarfraz is definitely going with the team (unfortunately). Looks like we are going with 2 wks because it's a long tour and it is impossible that Misbah would drop Rizwan after his performance in Australia.

Even emerging players like Haider, Rohail, Haris, Musa and Usman Qadir would be taken by Misbah (so they can gain experience).
Extremely excited for this.

25 members? So theres likely to be ODIs and Tests played at the same time?

The positive here is that a lot of fringe players could get a chance on the biggest stage and I'd be chuffed for guys like Talat Hussain, Umer Khan, Haris Rauf, Salahuddin and a few others.

Edit: Just looked below, it is tests and T20s (would have preferred ODIs) but that looks set to possibly take place at the same time? As the ECB has previously stated. I would much prefer that, minimises travel and contact. I will base my squad on that.

1. Fakhar Zaman (T20)
2. Imam ul Haq (T20)
3. Abid Ali (T20, Tests)
4. Azhar Ali (Tests)
5. Babar Azam (T20, Tests)
6. Asad Shafiq (Tests)
7. Haris Sohail (T20)
8. Mohammad Rizwan wk (Tests)
9. Sarfraz Ahmed wk (T20)
10. Imran Butt (Tests)
11. Sami Aslam (Tests)
12. Iftikhar Ahmed (T20)
13. Haider Ali (T20)
14. Hussain Talat (T20)
15. Yasir Shah (Tests)
16. Shadab Khan (T20, Tests)
17. Umer Khan (T20)
18. Shaheen Shah (Tests)
19. Mohammad Abbas (Tests)
20. Naseem Shah (Tests)
21. Usman Shinwari (T20)
22. Mohammad Hasnain (T20)
23. Ehsan Adil (Tests, T20)
24. Faheem Ashraf (Tests)
25. Mohammad Amir (T20)

Out of that, we could probably make a couple of playing XIs -

Test -
1. Abid Ali
2. Sami Aslam
3. Azhar Ali c
4. Asad Shafiq
5. Babar Azam
6. Mohammad Rizwan wk
7. Faheem Ashraf
8. Yasir Shah
9. Mohammad Abbas
10. Shaheen Shah
11. Naseem Shah

and if a T20 is played at the same time -
1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Imam ul Haq
3. Haris Sohail
4. Iftikhar Ahmed
5. Hussain Talat
6. Sarfraz Ahmed wk
7. Shadab Khan c
8. Umar Khan
9. Mohammad Amir
10. Usman Shinwari
11. Mohammad Hasnain

I know the likes of Amir havent received central contracts but that is ridiculous. I also havent picked Malik of Hafeez.
 
I'd love to see Ehsan Adil given a go on this England tour. Waqar, in an interview, mentioned that he hasn't forgotten about Adil, and hopefully Adil's performance against the MCC for the Shaheens, pre-PSL will be remembered by selectors.

Ehsan could be a factor if they play at Old Trafford.
 
I'd love to see Ehsan Adil given a go on this England tour. Waqar, in an interview, mentioned that he hasn't forgotten about Adil, and hopefully Adil's performance against the MCC for the Shaheens, pre-PSL will be remembered by selectors.

Ehsan could be a factor if they play at Old Trafford.

Definitely, he should be there in my opinion.
 
Openers

1) Abid Ali (Test)
2) Shan Masood (Test)
3) Sami Aslam/ Imam (Reserve test)
4) Fakhar Zaman (T20)
5) Sharjeel Khan (T20)

Middle order

6) Azhar Ali
7) Babar Azam
8) Haider Ali
9) Haris Sohail
10) Asad Shafiq
11) Fawad Alam

Wicket Keepers

12) Mohammad Rizwan
13) Sarfaraz Ahmed

All rounders

14) Iftikhar Ahmed (T20)
15) Shadab Khan
16) Faheem Ashraf

Pacers:

17) Amir (T20s)
18) Shaheen
19) Abbas (Test)
20) Naseem
21) Ehsan Adil
22) Usman Shinwari
23) Haris Rauf (T20)
24) Mohammad Hasnain (T20)

Spinners

25) Zafar Gohar/ Yasir Shah
 
Test XI from my above post (#25)

Shan Masood
Abid Ali
Azhar Ali (C)
Babar Azam
Asad Shafiq
Mohammad Rizwan (WK)
Shadab Khan/ Haris or Fawad (At no 6 depending upon conditions)
Faheem Ashraf/ Zafar Gohar (Depending upon conditions)
Shaheen
Naseem
Abbas

T20 XI

Sharjeel Khan
Babar Azam (C)
Fakhar Zaman
Haider Ali
Shadab Khan
Sarfaraz Ahmed/ Rizwan (WK)
Iftikhar Ahmed
Zafar Gohar
Mohammad Amir
Haris Rauf
Shaheen
 
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Malik and Hafeez have not been included as it would have meant reducing either reserve test opener or T20 opener and one of the T20 specialist pacers. As per T20 performances merit and if necessary they can be included.
 
Definitely, he should be there in my opinion.

we have very similar squads, great minds think alike :p

I'm all up for Adil being given another shot and probably eased into the T20s first. I think the test line up of Abbas, Shaheen, Shah and Yasir is pretty settled for now.
 
enough of Umar Amin, Usman Salahuddin, Ehsan Adil.. don't want to see them anymore - same goes for Hafeez, Malik, Wahab.

Imam, Haider, Saud, Saad would be good back up batsmen.
Bowling of Shaheen, Rauf, Husnain, Naseem, Abbas + couple of spinners.

I'd take Sharjeel over Fakhar for T20's

Usman salahuddin he hasnt played much test matches ?
Sharjeel wont to cuz 25 altogether for tests and t20s
 
25 members? So theres likely to be ODIs and Tests played at the same time?

The positive here is that a lot of fringe players could get a chance on the biggest stage and I'd be chuffed for guys like Talat Hussain, Umer Khan, Haris Rauf, Salahuddin and a few others.

Edit: Just looked below, it is tests and T20s (would have preferred ODIs) but that looks set to possibly take place at the same time? As the ECB has previously stated. I would much prefer that, minimises travel and contact. I will base my squad on that.

1. Fakhar Zaman (T20)
2. Imam ul Haq (T20)
3. Abid Ali (T20, Tests)
4. Azhar Ali (Tests)
5. Babar Azam (T20, Tests)
6. Asad Shafiq (Tests)
7. Haris Sohail (T20)
8. Mohammad Rizwan wk (Tests)
9. Sarfraz Ahmed wk (T20)
10. Imran Butt (Tests)
11. Sami Aslam (Tests)
12. Iftikhar Ahmed (T20)
13. Haider Ali (T20)
14. Hussain Talat (T20)
15. Yasir Shah (Tests)
16. Shadab Khan (T20, Tests)
17. Umer Khan (T20)
18. Shaheen Shah (Tests)
19. Mohammad Abbas (Tests)
20. Naseem Shah (Tests)
21. Usman Shinwari (T20)
22. Mohammad Hasnain (T20)
23. Ehsan Adil (Tests, T20)
24. Faheem Ashraf (Tests)
25. Mohammad Amir (T20)

Out of that, we could probably make a couple of playing XIs -

Test -
1. Abid Ali
2. Sami Aslam
3. Azhar Ali c
4. Asad Shafiq
5. Babar Azam
6. Mohammad Rizwan wk
7. Faheem Ashraf
8. Yasir Shah
9. Mohammad Abbas
10. Shaheen Shah
11. Naseem Shah

and if a T20 is played at the same time -
1. Fakhar Zaman
2. Imam ul Haq
3. Haris Sohail
4. Iftikhar Ahmed
5. Hussain Talat
6. Sarfraz Ahmed wk
7. Shadab Khan c
8. Umar Khan
9. Mohammad Amir
10. Usman Shinwari
11. Mohammad Hasnain

I know the likes of Amir havent received central contracts but that is ridiculous. I also havent picked Malik of Hafeez.

I dont think it will be played at the same time
 
25 members? So theres likely to be ODIs and Tests played at the same time?

Nah, I expect it's a way of reducing costs/risks by transporting everyone at the same time. From the sounds of things England will put out 2 completely different squads for the limited overs games and tests, which Pakistan would probably be more reluctant to do.
 
Nah, I expect it's a way of reducing costs/risks by transporting everyone at the same time. From the sounds of things England will put out 2 completely different squads for the limited overs games and tests, which Pakistan would probably be more reluctant to do.

But Pak would have to if the matches are taking place simultaneously, as the ECB theorised last month. Heck things are changing so quickly no idea whats next
 
The ECB is now talking about England, Pakistan and the West Indies each having a 30 man squad, staying at the on-site hotels at Old Trafford and Southampton, and playing warm-up matches within their own enlarged squads.

A Possible schedule for Pakistan would be:

First Test at Old Trafford Thursday 30 July to Monday 3 August (ORIGINAL DATES, NEW VENUE)
Second Test at Old Trafford Friday 7 August to Tuesday 11 August (ORIGINAL DATES AND ORIGINAL VENUE)
First T20i at Old Trafford Saturday 15 August
Second T20i at Old Trafford Sunday 16 August
Third T20i at Southampton Tuesday 18 August
Third Test at Southampton Thursday 20 to Monday 24 August (ORIGINAL DATES, NEW VENUE)

This model keeps the Tests at their original dates but moves the T20i matches to be between the @nd and 3rd Tests.

I would pick the following squad:

OPENERS
Abid Ali
Shan Masood
Sami Aslam
Imran Butt
Zeeshan Malik

MIDDLE-ORDER
Azhar Ali
Asad Shafiq
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
Fawad Alam

WICKETKEEPERS
Mohammad Rizwan
Rohail Nazir

PACE ALL-ROUNDERS
Faheem Ashraf
Amad Butt

SPINNERS
Shadab Khan
Zafar Gohar

QUICKS
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Mohammad Abbas
Naseem Khan
Mohammad Amir
Mohammad Hasnain
Haris Rauf
Ehsan Adil

That's only 23 players and I've already covered all the Test and T20 bases!
 
But Pak would have to if the matches are taking place simultaneously, as the ECB theorised last month. Heck things are changing so quickly no idea whats next

Look at my post above

"Simultaneously" just means the T20i series happens during the 9 days between the Second and Third Tests.
 
The ECB is now talking about England, Pakistan and the West Indies each having a 30 man squad, staying at the on-site hotels at Old Trafford and Southampton, and playing warm-up matches within their own enlarged squads.

A Possible schedule for Pakistan would be:

First Test at Old Trafford Thursday 30 July to Monday 3 August (ORIGINAL DATES, NEW VENUE)
Second Test at Old Trafford Friday 7 August to Tuesday 11 August (ORIGINAL DATES AND ORIGINAL VENUE)
First T20i at Old Trafford Saturday 15 August
Second T20i at Old Trafford Sunday 16 August
Third T20i at Southampton Tuesday 18 August
Third Test at Southampton Thursday 20 to Monday 24 August (ORIGINAL DATES, NEW VENUE)

This model keeps the Tests at their original dates but moves the T20i matches to be between the @nd and 3rd Tests.

I would pick the following squad:

OPENERS
Abid Ali
Shan Masood
Sami Aslam
Imran Butt
Zeeshan Malik

MIDDLE-ORDER
Azhar Ali
Asad Shafiq
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
Fawad Alam

WICKETKEEPERS
Mohammad Rizwan
Rohail Nazir

PACE ALL-ROUNDERS
Faheem Ashraf
Amad Butt

SPINNERS
Shadab Khan
Zafar Gohar

QUICKS
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Mohammad Abbas
Naseem Khan
Mohammad Amir
Mohammad Hasnain
Haris Rauf
Ehsan Adil

That's only 23 players and I've already covered all the Test and T20 bases!

who are your T20 batsmen?

Babar
Zeeshan
Rizwan
Haris
Rohail
Shadab

That’s not gonna work...?
 
If its true that the t20s will be played between tests then thier will defo be two different squads only few couple play all tests and t20s

Tests.
Shan masood
Abid ali
Azar ali
Babar
Shafiq
Rizwan
Harris sohail
Yasir/fahim ashraf
Shaheen
Abbas
Naseem

Sarfraz
Fawad alam
Fahim Ashraf
Shadab


T20s
Fakhar
Sharjeel
Babar
Haider
Sarfraz
Iftikhar
Khusdil Shah
Shadab
Shaheen
Husnain
Rauf

Rohail nazir


The only players who will most likely play tests and t20s are babar,shaheen and maybe fahim and shadab
 
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The ECB is now talking about England, Pakistan and the West Indies each having a 30 man squad, staying at the on-site hotels at Old Trafford and Southampton, and playing warm-up matches within their own enlarged squads.

A Possible schedule for Pakistan would be:

First Test at Old Trafford Thursday 30 July to Monday 3 August (ORIGINAL DATES, NEW VENUE)
Second Test at Old Trafford Friday 7 August to Tuesday 11 August (ORIGINAL DATES AND ORIGINAL VENUE)
First T20i at Old Trafford Saturday 15 August
Second T20i at Old Trafford Sunday 16 August
Third T20i at Southampton Tuesday 18 August
Third Test at Southampton Thursday 20 to Monday 24 August (ORIGINAL DATES, NEW VENUE)

This model keeps the Tests at their original dates but moves the T20i matches to be between the @nd and 3rd Tests.

I would pick the following squad:

OPENERS
Abid Ali
Shan Masood
Sami Aslam
Imran Butt
Zeeshan Malik

MIDDLE-ORDER
Azhar Ali
Asad Shafiq
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
Fawad Alam

WICKETKEEPERS
Mohammad Rizwan
Rohail Nazir

PACE ALL-ROUNDERS
Faheem Ashraf
Amad Butt

SPINNERS
Shadab Khan
Zafar Gohar

QUICKS
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Mohammad Abbas
Naseem Khan
Mohammad Amir
Mohammad Hasnain
Haris Rauf
Ehsan Adil

That's only 23 players and I've already covered all the Test and T20 bases!

30th July would be too early a start for the series based on the WI series being touted to begin on the 8th July. There's little reason to try and stick to the original dates now so much has changed.
 
30th July would be too early a start for the series based on the WI series being touted to begin on the 8th July. There's little reason to try and stick to the original dates now so much has changed.

I fink that's why england might have two separate squads cuz they no schedule will be right
 
I fink that's why england might have two separate squads cuz they no schedule will be right

In which case it'd make more sense for the Pakistan series to start with the T20s (with the England limited overs squad playing the Ireland series between the West Indies tests) to give the test squad a break. It also means if time is tight that if Australia tour their limited overs series can be played around the last test or 2 of the Pakistan series.
 
The ECB is now talking about England, Pakistan and the West Indies each having a 30 man squad, staying at the on-site hotels at Old Trafford and Southampton, and playing warm-up matches within their own enlarged squads.

A Possible schedule for Pakistan would be:

First Test at Old Trafford Thursday 30 July to Monday 3 August (ORIGINAL DATES, NEW VENUE)
Second Test at Old Trafford Friday 7 August to Tuesday 11 August (ORIGINAL DATES AND ORIGINAL VENUE)
First T20i at Old Trafford Saturday 15 August
Second T20i at Old Trafford Sunday 16 August
Third T20i at Southampton Tuesday 18 August
Third Test at Southampton Thursday 20 to Monday 24 August (ORIGINAL DATES, NEW VENUE)

This model keeps the Tests at their original dates but moves the T20i matches to be between the @nd and 3rd Tests.

I would pick the following squad:

OPENERS
Abid Ali
Shan Masood
Sami Aslam
Imran Butt
Zeeshan Malik

MIDDLE-ORDER
Azhar Ali
Asad Shafiq
Babar Azam
Haris Sohail
Fawad Alam

WICKETKEEPERS
Mohammad Rizwan
Rohail Nazir

PACE ALL-ROUNDERS
Faheem Ashraf
Amad Butt

SPINNERS
Shadab Khan
Zafar Gohar

QUICKS
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Mohammad Abbas
Naseem Khan
Mohammad Amir
Mohammad Hasnain
Haris Rauf
Ehsan Adil

That's only 23 players and I've already covered all the Test and T20 bases!

No Yasir?
 
Because Yasir is garbage and past it now. Especially outside of home.

How - he was the second best PAK batsman in last outside Asia series. Outside Asia, spinners are basically batsman for three innings and this guy Yasir performed that role brilliantly in Australia. Neither Test there had fourth innings (Aussies didn’t bat second time), therefore whatever wickets Yasir got there was bonus - he was there for scoring runs in first innings and he did that brilliantly.

On a serious note, Yasir had his problem in Australia because he was given the chance - you don’t know what the other trophy that Junaids sell here regularly would have done there. It’s not easy for Asian spinners to hit right length in Australia, tougher for leggis and to his misfortune, both series a lefti had the series of his life time. In SAF as well, Yasir was hard done by PCT management, particularly Arthur who should know SAF conditions better than any one. If you go back two years, you’ll see I had written several times that the first a test will be played on spinners’ grave yard and PAK should use four pacers, even that was true for second Test as well. Also, he wasn’t fit either yet they still layer him - then batsmen didn’t put enough runs for him to try in last innings. By the time series went to better wicket (for Leggi) of Jo’burg (relatively better, SAF in general are worst place for spinners along with NZ, but J’burg wicket has extra bounce), they dropped him. Judging Yasir based on Australia or SAF series is unfair, that too for two guys like Shadab & Gohar (combined 12 wickets, Yasir has 16 5fors)......

Yasir’s performance against England is exceptional- PAK won two Tests and guy took 16 wickets in those two Tests, including two 5fors and a 10for - that’s almost alone winning both Tests. What I didn’t like Junaids here is using data selectively to fit the agenda - for basing Misbah & YK, we have read here that average is not a big deal, what is important is scoring 30+ regularly (basically down playing YK’s 218 & Misbah’s 100 at Lord’s) - but for Yasir, average matters ... more than his 10 for!!!

I don’t mind PAK picking Shadab for Test (I have included him for both series in this thread as well) but not excluding Yasir. PAK is not going to play two spinners in UK and as long as Haris is there, 2nd spinner won’t be required either - so, I think both Leggi’s should be on tour and one to play depending on condition. Dropping Yasir all together is criminal, provided that he is fit. Yasir gets lots of bashing here at PP, because most PAK posters have a false bravado about the pace attack, which to be honest is poor, hence often Yasir had to play duel role of containing & attacking - the number of overs Yasir has to bowl almost from first session of day one - you give that to Shadab, he’ll hit a hundred on day 1, almost every innings; it’s not that easy for leggi to operate in SENA, if pacers waste the new ball and spinner is brought to take wickets with 12 overs’ old ball.

Personally, I believe Yasir is a fantastic leg-spinnner, one of the best ever; but three things have gone against him so far -

1. PAK’s disgusting policy during the captaincy of Inzi/Misbah of protecting few known faces by holding out newcomers, which saw Yasir debuting at official 28, after 270+!FC wickets - he should have debuted at least 5 years ago.

2. Guy is officially 34, but I believe he was born as 5-6 years old, hence this decline (mostly due to lack of fitness) is expected & natural

3. He isn’t disciplined/honest enough with his good & fitness drills. He always struggles for over weight and he already had used his only cheat code by the name “wife’s pill” - now he can’t use external substances to reduce weight. For an ageing leggi, nothing can be worse than body fat & beer tummy.

He is still a top spinner and provided he is fit enough, if he can come to bowl at 60-2 after 23 overs, you’ll see the difference.
 
Guy is officially 34, but I believe he was born as 5-6 years old, hence this decline (mostly due to lack of fitness) is expected & natural

Maybe 2-3 at most, don't think he would have had the reflexes to bat the way he did in Australia otherwise. The fitness issues are probably just due to laziness.
 
Yasir Shah has won 2 Tests in England but lost 2 more with his typical SENA returns of 45-5-220-3.

As [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] says, he is probably almost 40 years old, he averages 80 with the ball after 12 Tests in SENA.

He’s unselectable.
 
Dates are wrong [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Reports are suggesting that England are hopeful of starting the 3-Test series against Pakistan on August 5th <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EngvPak?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#EngvPak</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1256604850235813888?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 2, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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Would take a guess on the 3rd venue where the Pakistan training camp will be being Chester-Le-Street as well.
 
In which case it'd make more sense for the Pakistan series to start with the T20s (with the England limited overs squad playing the Ireland series between the West Indies tests) to give the test squad a break. It also means if time is tight that if Australia tour their limited overs series can be played around the last test or 2 of the Pakistan series.

I rather have Pakistan play the tests then t20s so then England will be tired from playing west indies test matches
 
Yasir Shah has won 2 Tests in England but lost 2 more with his typical SENA returns of 45-5-220-3.

As [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] says, he is probably almost 40 years old, he averages 80 with the ball after 12 Tests in SENA.

He’s unselectable.

Who else would you play instead of yasir the inexperienced gohar or shadab Khan
 
Test XI

Shan
Abid
Azhar (unfortunately we are forced to)
Babar
Haris
Shafiq
Rizwan
Gohar
Shaheen
Abbas
Naseem

T20 XI
Sharjeel
Babar
Fakhar
Iftikhar
Khushdil
Shadab
Imad
Rizwan
Amir
Shaheen
Naseem

That would be XI for Tests and T20 but it's unlikely this will happen. Yasir will be bowling in the Test matches and Hafeez/Malik will be on T20 squads.
 
Pakistan will have to arrive almost a month before the first test to undergo a two-week quarantine period mandatory for all visitors and get in some match practice.

The test and Twenty20 squads will travel together, giving team management options in the event of injuries.

"From a manageability point of view, it makes sense for us and the ECB that the whole squad travel as one, so you create a bubble if you like around those players for the whole of the time that they are in England," Khan said.

The ECB has not announced venues for the tour but British media tipped Manchester and Southampton, both with on-site hotels, to stage the matches.

Khan said venues would have testing centres and zones that would be off-limits to anyone other than players and officials.

"They are planning to create bio-secure hotels, a sort of environment around the players in certain parts of the hotel to keep the players safe and away from the general public," Khan added.

https://www.eurosport.co.uk/cricket...ecure-england-tour-ceo_sto7753561/story.shtml
 
Below is my predicted squad, not necessarily what I would pick...

Babar Azam (Tests, LOs)
Imam Ul Haq (Tests, LOs)
Azhar Ali (Tests)
Abid Ali (Tests)
Asad Shafiq (Tests)
Fakhar Zaman (LOs and potentially Tests)
Mohammad Hafeez (LOs)
Shoaib Malik (LOs)
Mohammad Rizwan (Tests, LOs)
Sarfaraz Ahmed (Tests, LOs)
Shaheen Afridi (Tests, LOs)
Nasim Shah (Tests & potentially LOs)
Mohammad Abbas (Tests)
Yasir Shah (Tests)
Shadab Khan (LOs and potentially Tests)
Imad Wasim (LOs)
Fahim Ashraf (Tests, LOs)
Mohammad Hasnain (LOs and potentially Tests)
Haris Rauf (LOs)
Imran Khan (Tests)
Khushdil Shah (LOs)
Haider Ali (Tests, LOs)
Zafar Gohar / Kashif Bhatti / Bilal Asif (Tests)
Mohammad Amir (LOs)
Wahab Riaz (LOs)
 
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Who else would you play instead of yasir the inexperienced gohar or shadab Khan

I don’t want a specialist spinner in England.

I want four quicks plus a spin-bowling all-rounder like Moeen Ali.

So Shadab fits the bill perfectly.
 
I don’t want a specialist spinner in England.

I want four quicks plus a spin-bowling all-rounder like Moeen Ali.

So Shadab fits the bill perfectly.

Agreed shadab is proberly slitely better than moen
 
I don’t want a specialist spinner in England.

I want four quicks plus a spin-bowling all-rounder like Moeen Ali.

So Shadab fits the bill perfectly.

Why not Yasir then - better batsman than Shadab (actually better than everyone bar Babar including Rizwan), can bowl a bit as well.

Last summer, Australia played five Tests at home and two against Pakistan. In that series
Rizwan’s score: 37, 95, 0, 45 - Avg: 44.25
Shan: 27, 42, 19, 68 - Avg: 39.00
.
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Yasir: 26, 42, 113, 13 - Avg: 48.50

England should be easier place to bat that Australia - doesn’t Yasir fit the bill better?
 
Why not Yasir then - better batsman than Shadab (actually better than everyone bar Babar including Rizwan), can bowl a bit as well.

Last summer, Australia played five Tests at home and two against Pakistan. In that series
Rizwan’s score: 37, 95, 0, 45 - Avg: 44.25
Shan: 27, 42, 19, 68 - Avg: 39.00
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Yasir: 26, 42, 113, 13 - Avg: 48.50

England should be easier place to bat that Australia - doesn’t Yasir fit the bill better?

He scored 1 century now hes better than everyone lol
Shadab average overall 35
Yasir average 13

England is much harder conditions to play than Australia English conditions it can swing and seem all day with abit of bounce.

In austrlia it's all about bounce
 
He scored 1 century now hes better than everyone lol
Shadab average overall 35
Yasir average 13

England is much harder conditions to play than Australia English conditions it can swing and seem all day with abit of bounce.

In austrlia it's all about bounce

Not everyone - Babar was better than him.

But, as I said - he averages 48+ in Australia while Rizwan 44+ & Shan 39 ....... its a fact!!!!!
 
Not everyone - Babar was better than him.

But, as I said - he averages 48+ in Australia while Rizwan 44+ & Shan 39 ....... its a fact!!!!!

Dont look at the smaller picture look at the bigger picture
Fact is yasir is nearly finished
 
I’d take Shadab to England instead of Yasir.

As much as I like Yasir Shah he is finished.
 
Apparently rumours are wahab wont be in squad and amir is 50/50

I hope the rumours are true... No point in taking them for 3 t20s.. Hafeez and Malik will be an exception here as they would try their last laugh in the upcoming T20 WC be it 2020 or 2021 in India...Amir and wahab can be adhocs and not regulars for t20s...

Wahab is finished anyway... Musa khan has displayed his batting abilities in the PSL and won a game for ISLU... Easy and straight swap for wahab.


Amir should be regular only in ODIs and can be used as a replacement for resting SSA in T20s in order to manage workload.....I honestly believe that Amir should comeback to test cricket and only then he should be treated as regular team 11 guy..Amir definitely has 5 years of test cricket left in him...He needed a break from test cricket and i feel he must have got that now with his retirement and the COVID-19 situation.
 
Why not Yasir then - better batsman than Shadab (actually better than everyone bar Babar including Rizwan), can bowl a bit as well.

Last summer, Australia played five Tests at home and two against Pakistan. In that series
Rizwan’s score: 37, 95, 0, 45 - Avg: 44.25
Shan: 27, 42, 19, 68 - Avg: 39.00
.
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Yasir: 26, 42, 113, 13 - Avg: 48.50

England should be easier place to bat that Australia - doesn’t Yasir fit the bill better?

In the last tour they were able to draw the series because of Shadab and Faheem chipping in with both bat and ball ... they dint get 5fers or 100s but useful lower order runs and 1 or 2 wickets here and there... Azhar the kaptaan and Asad shafiq are a big let down in that series with just a 50 in 4 inns and rest were single digits.. Usman salahudin played well for his only chance and then gone forever as usual which is again very cruel from Pakistan ... He can easily replace Shafiq but the wonder boy will still be prefered until he retires..

I would like to see Haider Ali, Umar Amin and Usman Salahudin given chances in this tour...atleast 2 out of these 3...
 
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I would take the following 25

Tests squad

Abid, Shan, Imam, Babar (c), Haris Sohail, Haider Ali, Usman Salahudin, Umer Amin, Rizwan, Sarfraz , Shadab, Umer Khan, SSA, Naseem Shah, Musa Khan, Sameen Gul, Ehsan Adil, Abbas,

T20s Squad

Will add Sharjeel, Imad, Amad Butt, Ifthikar, Khusdhil, Haris Rauf to it...
 
Not everyone - Babar was better than him.

But, as I said - he averages 48+ in Australia while Rizwan 44+ & Shan 39 ....... its a fact!!!!!
I'm sorry to the say but brother your facts are wrong. Yasir averages 28 in Australia.
 
Struggling to think of others but here's who i have a definite will go

Predicted

Test
1) Abid Ali
2) Shan Masood
3) Azhar Ali (c)
4) Babar Azam
5) Asad Shafiq
6) Haris Sohail
7) Fawad Alam
8) Muhammad Rizwan
9) Sarfraz Ahmed
10) Imam ul Haq (i know it's a joke)
11) Haider Ali (possible)
12) Yasir Shah
13) Naseem Shah
14) Shaheen Afridi
15) Muhammad Abbas
16) Kashif Bhatti (maybe)
 
I'm sorry to the say but brother your facts are wrong. Yasir averages 28 in Australia.

I think he’s talking about the last tour only.
Shadab probably will do better as Yasir has struggled overseas but don’t expect miracles he’s been average to mediocre in limited overs and would need to improve a fair bit to be a match winner with the either bat or ball in tests.
 
Pakistan 25-members squad

I think he’s talking about the last tour only.
Shadab probably will do better as Yasir has struggled overseas but don’t expect miracles he’s been average to mediocre in limited overs and would need to improve a fair bit to be a match winner with the either bat or ball in tests.
take all centrally contracted 19 players and from emerging took hasnain and rauf only and left out haider ali, I don't think this is right time to take young debutant to a foreign country. I am afraid even how experience players will manage to play in such many restriction,bans and SoPs...
Except those 21 my other 4 players will be
Mohd Amir(test)
Faheem ashraf (t20)
bilal asif(test)
Khushdil shah(t20)
 
Guys, relax. I do understand cricket a bit. Yasir’s example was for a different purpose and it’s quite useful data actually.

In a serious note, PAK should pick two, if not three leg spinners in UK and no finger spinner, because it’ll be absolute waste. If one spinner plays, it should always be a leggi and both Yasir & Shadab should be picked because there is none else. After these two, I believe the next leggi averaged over 150 in last QeA season. Now, between Yasir & Shadab, PCT management have to see recent form (tour performance), fitness and net performance of both before final call.

If it’s a green top, there is no reason to play a spinner, rather four out & out pacers should be picked with Haris bowling 23-25 tight overs - I am sure he won’t do worse than Shadab, with ball that is.
 
Out of the 25 players, the following 15 are a lock.
1. Babar
2. Rizwan
3. Sarfraz
4. Shaheen
5. Abbas
6. Naseem
7. Shadab
8. Iftikhar
9. Haris Sohail
10. Azhar
11. Asad
12. Shan
13. Abid
14. Imam
15. Haris Rauf


Whereas, Hasnain, Fawad, Faheem are less confirmed than those mentioned above,
 
Guys, relax. I do understand cricket a bit. Yasir’s example was for a different purpose and it’s quite useful data actually.

In a serious note, PAK should pick two, if not three leg spinners in UK and no finger spinner, because it’ll be absolute waste. If one spinner plays, it should always be a leggi and both Yasir & Shadab should be picked because there is none else. After these two, I believe the next leggi averaged over 150 in last QeA season. Now, between Yasir & Shadab, PCT management have to see recent form (tour performance), fitness and net performance of both before final call.

If it’s a green top, there is no reason to play a spinner, rather four out & out pacers should be picked with Haris bowling 23-25 tight overs - I am sure he won’t do worse than Shadab, with ball that is.

usama Mir.
 
I hope the rumours are true... No point in taking them for 3 t20s.. Hafeez and Malik will be an exception here as they would try their last laugh in the upcoming T20 WC be it 2020 or 2021 in India...Amir and wahab can be adhocs and not regulars for t20s...

Wahab is finished anyway... Musa khan has displayed his batting abilities in the PSL and won a game for ISLU... Easy and straight swap for wahab.


Amir should be regular only in ODIs and can be used as a replacement for resting SSA in T20s in order to manage workload.....I honestly believe that Amir should comeback to test cricket and only then he should be treated as regular team 11 guy..Amir definitely has 5 years of test cricket left in him...He needed a break from test cricket and i feel he must have got that now with his retirement and the COVID-19 situation.

I think it's TRUE but then again this is pcb.amir is 50/50 I fjnk.i dont think they will even take musa tbh.
 
I would take the following 25

Tests squad

Abid, Shan, Imam, Babar (c), Haris Sohail, Haider Ali, Usman Salahudin, Umer Amin, Rizwan, Sarfraz , Shadab, Umer Khan, SSA, Naseem Shah, Musa Khan, Sameen Gul, Ehsan Adil, Abbas,

T20s Squad

Will add Sharjeel, Imad, Amad Butt, Ifthikar, Khusdhil, Haris Rauf to it...

Keep dreaming bro
 
I think he’s talking about the last tour only.
Shadab probably will do better as Yasir has struggled overseas but don’t expect miracles he’s been average to mediocre in limited overs and would need to improve a fair bit to be a match winner with the either bat or ball in tests.

He average more than 30 in tests batting at 8
 
Out of the 25 players, the following 15 are a lock.
1. Babar
2. Rizwan
3. Sarfraz
4. Shaheen
5. Abbas
6. Naseem
7. Shadab
8. Iftikhar
9. Haris Sohail
10. Azhar
11. Asad
12. Shan
13. Abid
14. Imam
15. Haris Rauf


Whereas, Hasnain, Fawad, Faheem are less confirmed than those mentioned above,

Fawad confirmed, Haris out.
 
Latest update is that the squad will consist of 28 members. :)
More opportunities.
 
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