What should Pakistan do in response to the stern warning from New Zealand Health Minister?

[MenInG]

Shoaib Akhtar may have his style of speaking but he may have a point about the way Pakistan are being treated by NZ health.

So should Pakistan abandon the tour or should continue and abide by rules?

 

[msb314]

Continue and abide.... for now

 

[kingusama92]

Pakistani management likely was shown the CCTV footage and is embarrassed.

If you abandon the tour with no leg to stand on, you alienate NZC because you have now completely let them down in front of their government.

Not to mention you alienate other cricketing boards because they won't want to host your team either.

Remember, the health minister could care less about cricket. They're only held responsible for limiting COVID-19 and that's their number one priority right now.

 

[Rana]

What will happen if NZ government take the P... again and Pakistan decide to pull out on the eve of the first match? Whilst NZ will not have enough time find a replacement to give the ‘privilege’ of playing cricket in New Zealand?

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Pakistan should definitely abide by the rules.

Players ("who can't control their youth") jin me zayada jawani aa gayi hai can come back and do whatever the * they want to in their respective cities.

If you are representing your country on a national level and go thousands of miles away in a foreign place, the least you can do is behave like an adult.

Enough is enough. PCB and Pak cricket have severe discipline problems. We literally spent a decade playing in desert because of Amir/Asif/Butt saga. Imagine, if we had keep on playing our home cricket in England

I love Pak cricket team more than the next guy, but if our players can't be professionals they should be immediately sent back to Pakistan. No complaints from me to the NZ administration.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

If New Zealanders around Pakistan team bubble get infected then NZ should make PCB pay for their treatment.

Then, PCB might take the whole discipline thing serious.

 

[shariqnoor]

While I'm thoroughly appalled by the behavior of NZ, it would be insanity to abandon the tour. The fact of the matter remains that Pakistanis were guilty of flouting covid protocols so the blame lies at their end. If they abandon the tour just because NZ humiliated them publicly, then forget about having good relations with NZC for a long long time. You don't want to alienate another cricket board after India, Afghanistan and Bangladesh.

You cannot threaten to abandon the tour as a reaction of them threatening to cancel the tour. Pakistan is no India who can actually pull of a threat without any repercussions because of the financial muscle they bring to the table. NZ may not be a financially rich cricket board but believe me, they hold more sway in ICC matters than Pakistan. England, SA, Aus, India will all back NZ if it comes to NZ vs Pak. So don't be a tool and start abandoning tours.

 

[Rana]

While I'm thoroughly appalled by the behavior of NZ, it would be insanity to abandon the tour. The fact of the matter remains that Pakistanis were guilty of flouting covid protocols so the blame lies at their end. If they abandon the tour just because NZ humiliated them publicly, then forget about having good relations with NZC for a long long time. You don't want to alienate another cricket board after India, Afghanistan and Bangladesh.

You cannot threaten to abandon the tour as a reaction of them threatening to cancel the tour. Pakistan is no India who can actually pull of a threat without any repercussions because of the financial muscle they bring to the table. NZ may not be a financially rich cricket board but believe me, they hold more sway in ICC matters than Pakistan. England, SA, Aus, India will all back NZ if it comes to NZ vs Pak. So don't be a tool and start abandoning tours.

And what if they further humiliate us by sending us back home?

 

[moghul]

What exactly wrong NZL did ? What we complaining about ? Our team is the guilty party , but instead of being penitent , some idiots are indulging in boastful chest-thumping on youtube. Well------------ whatever sells .

 

[shariqnoor]

And what if they further humiliate us by sending us back home?

Like I said in another thread, I will stick my neck out and say NZ will never cancel a sporting tour. NZ cricket isn't overflowing with dollars and they need money. They can easily create a bio-secure bubble like England did. It's not rocket science.

Now I believe England did a magnificent job in creating a bio-secure bubble. NZ should've done the same. Just because there aren't covid cases in their country doesn't mean they should allow the hotel in which Pakistan is staying to be a public place. Had the hotel only consisted of Pakistani players, them going out to the lobby wouldn't be a problem in the first place then.

 

[FreePalestine]

Look, six of them have corona. If those six guys were roaming around knowing they have corona, it will not be a good look for a well informed populace, that is taking the virus much more seriously than we are! I don’t know if that is exactly what happened. I.e. was it the same players? Did they know they had corona? I actually assume ‘no’ to the second question, hopefully..

 

[Space Cat]

Accept it and do better from now on. Once the quarantine period is finished all will be forgotten.

 

[shamaan]

And what if they further humiliate us by sending us back home?

Then the points will surely go to Pakistan

 

[shamaan]

Pakistan wont abandon the tours thier proberly only 5 percent chance of that happening.the players who have been caught should be fined and withdrawn from the squad

 

[aloo paratha]

Lol what kind of thread is this? Obviously follow the guidelines.

 

[cric_4life]

How about respecting the country's code of conduct. I live in NZ, te rules are not just for Pakistan team it's for anyone visiting Nz currently.
Players should stay in their rooms and follow the rules.
Rules would have been advised before the team would have travelled here. So just stick to what's been advised.

 

[Local.Dada]

Seriously?

What Pakistan management and board need to do is apologize and move on and hope this passes away while implementing stricter protocols for their players.

Are we seriously criticizing Nzl here?

 

[cric_4life]

And just remember that NZC has to answer to it's people on what grounds tey have invited a foreign team. people will question the government if the virus gets spread to its citizens. It's not as simple as Pakistan or India where the government doesnt have to answer.

 

[Junaids]

1. They should be grateful that they are in the world's safest major country in terms of Covid.

2. They should respect the sacrifices that New Zealanders made with an incredibly hard lockdown to eliminate the virus from having any community transmission.

3. They should respect the fact that it is not their RIGHT to be in New Zealand during a pandemic, it is a PRIVILEGE that comes with strict conditions about their behaviour.

The people of New Zealand made a big collective sacrifice to eliminate the virus.

New Zealand's population of 5 million would make it the 24th most populated state in the USA (between South Carolina and Alabama). They have had 2040 Covid cases and 25 deaths.

The US state with the fewest Covid cases is Vermont, with 3762 cases and a population of 624,000.

The whole world should respect and admire New Zealand's approach to this pandemic. They have implemented the lessons of past pandemics in terms of supervised quarantine and border closures, and the result is that their economic and day-to-day life has returned to normal.

If you are lucky enough to be allowed into their country, follow the rules.

 

[moghul]

Lol what kind of thread is this? Obviously follow the guidelines.

Logic behind this thread, I didn;t get it, 'Ek Toh Chori oopar Se Seenazori'

 

[Junaids]

New Zealand, Australia and the UK all have between 83 and 86% of the population living in urban areas. The argument that one of these island states had a demographic or geographical advantage in controlling the virus is nonsense.

The truth is that two of the countries followed the science whereas the UK and USA capitulated to big business, with exactly the same catastrophic results in terms of both the economy and mortality as in the Spanish Flu pandemic.

We should admire New Zealand, not ignore their rules.

 

[Heisenberg111]

While I'm thoroughly appalled by the behavior of NZ, it would be insanity to abandon the tour. The fact of the matter remains that Pakistanis were guilty of flouting covid protocols so the blame lies at their end. If they abandon the tour just because NZ humiliated them publicly, then forget about having good relations with NZC for a long long time. You don't want to alienate another cricket board after India, Afghanistan and Bangladesh.

You cannot threaten to abandon the tour as a reaction of them threatening to cancel the tour. Pakistan is no India who can actually pull of a threat without any repercussions because of the financial muscle they bring to the table. NZ may not be a financially rich cricket board but believe me, they hold more sway in ICC matters than Pakistan. England, SA, Aus, India will all back NZ if it comes to NZ vs Pak. So don't be a tool and start abandoning tours.

NZC's net worth is $ 9 million, they have a small market for cricket. PCB's net worth is $ 55 million, making them the second richest Asian board and also the 4th richest in the world, despite not playing at home for so long. But Pakistan needs NZ to tour next year thats why PCB is vulnerable and will want to to remain in good terms with NZC.

 

[Titan24]

Definitely should follow the rules as they are in their country.

However, statements from NZC like its a privilege coming here to both Windies and Pakistan cricket team is and publicly giving warnings is no way to deal with this. NZ cricket is the host and they invited WI and Pakistan cricket teams, yes tourists should follow the rules but thats a pretty unprofessional way to communicate things.

Overall better handling was expected from NZC. If they had to let emotions coming into the way then they obviously werent ready to host at this point of time. They have invited national teams of the countries and they should be treated with the necessary dignity otherwise shouldnt have invited them. Yes they want to keep Covid under control but that alone cant justify such statements in my opinion.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

MY answer is that the Pakistani set up in NZ should immediately address the issue, improve team behaviour and get on with it.

Or risk the NZ health and other authorities following through on their threat of termination, however unlikely it may seem.

It's a no contest. You've been found to have lapsed in following defined guidelines and you have been fairly warned.

Shoaib's economic argument, and his claim that NZC needs PCB more than the other way round, is completely frivolous.

Cancellation of the tour = few million dollars loss to NZC.

Actual community spread of COVID = billions of dollars loss to NZ as a nation.

As I said, no contest.

 

[tahir_dj]

Send the players back who break the curfew

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The comments made by the NZ authorities are wholly justified. There is no excuse for breaching protocols and endangering everyone.

 

[hitthestump]

Pakistan realllyyyyy need to learn their place lol. Half the cricketing world has poor relations with the PCB. 90% of them won't tour us. Regardless of how correct Shoaib may be, the smart move is to read the overall situation.

We need to be humble at this juncture or we risk shooting a very large hole in our foot.

Remember when Pakistan decided to stand up for itself against a far more powerful board by refusing to allow its players to play IPL 3? How did that turn out for us?

 

[Gabbar Singh]

If you are lucky enough to be allowed into their country, follow the rules.

This.

 

[Space Cat]

Definitely should follow the rules as they are in their country.

However, statements from NZC like its a privilege coming here to both Windies and Pakistan cricket team is and publicly giving warnings is no way to deal with this. NZ cricket is the host and they invited WI and Pakistan cricket teams, yes tourists should follow the rules but thats a pretty unprofessional way to communicate things.

Overall better handling was expected from NZC. If they had to let emotions coming into the way then they obviously werent ready to host at this point of time. They have invited national teams of the countries and they should be treated with the necessary dignity otherwise shouldnt have invited them. Yes they want to keep Covid under control but that alone cant justify such statements in my opinion.

The public health security of an entire nation doesnt justify a sternly worded warning?

 

[moghul]

Send the players back who break the curfew

Yes, if not the whole team.

 

[Titan24]

The public health security of an entire nation doesnt justify a sternly worded warning?

It does but does it have to be publicly conveyed along with mentioning again and again to every team that its a privilege coming here when NZC is the one inviting them?

 

[shamaan]

Yes, if not the whole team.

Why should 35 players get punished based on people who broke the rules?

 

[Heisenberg111]

Pakistan realllyyyyy need to learn their place lol. Half the cricketing world has poor relations with the PCB. 90% of them won't tour us. Regardless of how correct Shoaib may be, the smart move is to read the overall situation.

We need to be humble at this juncture or we risk shooting a very large hole in our foot.

Remember when Pakistan decided to stand up for itself against a far more powerful board by refusing to allow its players to play IPL 3? How did that turn out for us?

NZC isn't BCCI. Besides its only cricket, no need to risk lives for a game.

 

[Titan24]

. 90% of them won't tour us.

Around 40% already did in last few years.

 

[Rana]

Around 40% already did in last few years.

Lol yeah. Seems like it’s national make your own facts up day today

 

[SameerK]

I don’t understand why there’s a debate. Players should stick to protocol regardless especially in strict country like NZ. What they’ve asked and warned is not wrong.

 

[Kaddy]

Players should be careful and strictly follow the protocols.

That is the only thing they can do now.

 

[lahoriyah1234]

Leave the Tour immediately and Tell NZL only a public apology will make us tour your country again. This is Pathetic from NZL govt. I live in London and Trust me all this protocols and 2 meter distance crap is full of rubbish from Western World. NZL taking this too seriously.

 

[angrypathan]

Following the rules would be a good start.

 

[angrypathan]

Leave the Tour immediately and Tell NZL only a public apology will make us tour your country again. This is Pathetic from NZL govt. I live in London and Trust me all this protocols and 2 meter distance crap is full of rubbish from Western World. NZL taking this too seriously.

No, New Zealand is taking it as seriously as it should be taken. Otherwise they would be like London. An American or a Brit should be the last person to ever dictate Covid policy to Australia or New Zealand.

 

[Space Cat]

It does but does it have to be publicly conveyed along with mentioning again and again to every team that its a privilege coming here when NZC is the one inviting them?

100% has to be.

There is more this than two cricket boards. The government is coveying this message to all visitors lucky enough to be allowed inside our closed borders. Also to the concerned public who only just relected them.

If my own mother cannot get back to NZ from Aussie right now then its certainly a privilage for a visiting sporting team to be allowed in.

 

[lahoriyah1234]

No, New Zealand is taking it as seriously as it should be taken. Otherwise they would be like London. An American or a Brit should be the last person to ever dictate Covid policy to Australia or New Zealand.

To hell with their policy. Who are you to threatened PCB. NZL don’t even contribute 5% to ICC. Pakistan Cricket has a worldwide following. If they care so much about it, why accept the tour when knowing Pakistan has a peak time of corona uprise.

 

[Rana]

Truth be told, New Zealand have not really tackled the corona virus at all. They have not even faced it like the rest of the world has. Desperately holding out for a vaccine to open up their borders like pre 2020.

They should never have allowed any touring sides into the country in the first place if they are so, so cautious.

 

[Junaids]

NZC's net worth is $ 9 million, they have a small market for cricket. PCB's net worth is $ 55 million, making them the second richest Asian board and also the 4th richest in the world, despite not playing at home for so long.

This is really missing the point.

Economic power very rarely makes countries with a higher quality of living cower and surrender.

At the moment the Chinese government is extremely unhappy with Australia and is using economic actions to try to make Australia act differently. And when Australia does not change its behaviour, the economic actions are escalating.

We see a similar thing with cricket. The ECB and Cricket Australia like the money that comes with hosting Indian tours, but view it as money from private Indian TV channels and are not intimidated by the BCCI into doing whatever they demand.

The people of New Zealand made huge sacrifices to eliminate Covid from community transmission. Sacrifices that the UK, USA and EU were unwilling to make.

Those same New Zealanders who endured a 35 day total lockdown are not going to accept foreigners from anywhere coming in and ignoring the rules, and they certainly aren't going to be intimidated into it on economic grounds.

And also bear in mind that the final warning came from Dr Ashley Bloomfield. The most popular, admired and loved person in New Zealand. "The Man Who Kept Us Safe".

 

[Space Cat]

Truth be told, New Zealand have not really tackled the corona virus at all. They have not even faced it like the rest of the world has. Desperately holding out for a vaccine to open up their borders like pre 2020.

They should never have allowed any touring sides into the country in the first place if they are so, so cautious.

Our policys have worked out pretty well for us here. I can live my life with no restriction other than international travel, i can play sport weekly and i can attend live sport in a full stadium of people with no mask.

There has been plenty of sacrifice but its worked for us so far.

 

[Junaids]

Truth be told, New Zealand have not really tackled the corona virus at all. They have not even faced it like the rest of the world has. Desperately holding out for a vaccine to open up their borders like pre 2020.

They should never have allowed any touring sides into the country in the first place if they are so, so cautious.

This is completely incorrect.

New Zealand (87% urban) was no more and no less threatened by Coronavirus than the other English speaking islands with over 80% urban population - the UK (84%) and Australia (86%).

But Australia and New Zealand did not just lockdown to eliminate the virus (as the UK had largely done by August) but they also banned international travel and made the few people who returned from overseas face forced quarantine in hotels at $3000 for a fortnight.

The vaccines are already being mass-produced. Advanced countries just needed to do what Australia and New Zealand have done and stop the virus' spread until those vaccines arrived.

New Zealand did not avoid the virus. They locked down hard to eliminate it, then they banned international travel and introduced mandatory supervised quarantine to prevent it from getting back in except in controlled places.

Which is why they now have normal life with no social distancing. This series is not going to be like the one in England in a bubble with empty stadia, living in a hotel at the ground.

All Pakistan had to do was respect the strict quarantine and distancing rules for 2 weeks and then enjoy a totally normal touring experience in NZ - going to shops and restaurants and playing in stadia wide open to the public.

 

[Rana]

Our policys have worked out pretty well for us here. I can live my life with no restriction other than international travel, i can play sport weekly and i can attend live sport in a full stadium of people with no mask.

There has been plenty of sacrifice but its worked for us so far.

Yes. No denying that it has worked brilliantly for internal purposes. I think that to continue this good work and become world covid beater champions, NZ needs to hold out until a vaccine, and they should just reimburse the NZ cricket board for loss of revenue etc until they are happy to resume life as they did pre covid.

Inviting a team over (to make money) and then publicly antagonise them or dehumanise them like this because of a small lapse is quite OTT. No one forced NZ to allow cricket to resume in its shores

 

[angrypathan]

To hell with their policy. Who are you to threatened PCB. NZL don’t even contribute 5% to ICC. Pakistan Cricket has a worldwide following. If they care so much about it, why accept the tour when knowing Pakistan has a peak time of corona uprise.

The uproar is not so much to do with a few players testing positive but rather the blatant disregarded for the rules they were instructed to follow. They accepted the tour because they have a very effective quarantine system in place that prevents the virus from getting into the community. That system works perfectly even if people test positive as long as they follow the rules. The system is compromised however when visitors do not follow the rules. To hell with your and some of our entitled fans' fragile egos.

 

[Rana]

This is completely incorrect.

New Zealand (87% urban) was no more and no less threatened by Coronavirus than the other English speaking islands with over 80% urban population - the UK (84%) and Australia (86%).

But Australia and New Zealand did not just lockdown to eliminate the virus (as the UK had largely done by August) but they also banned international travel and made the few people who returned from overseas face forced quarantine in hotels at $3000 for a fortnight.

The vaccines are already being mass-produced. Advanced countries just needed to do what Australia and New Zealand have done and stop the virus' spread until those vaccines arrived.

New Zealand did not avoid the virus. They locked down hard to eliminate it, then they banned international travel and introduced mandatory supervised quarantine to prevent it from getting back in except in controlled places.

Which is why they now have normal life with no social distancing. This series is not going to be like the one in England in a bubble with empty stadia, living in a hotel at the ground.

All Pakistan had to do was respect the strict quarantine and distancing rules for 2 weeks and then enjoy a totally normal touring experience in NZ - going to shops and restaurants and playing in stadia wide open to the public.

This is all fine, but my simple objection is to the line about “they locked down hard to eliminate it”, whereas this is untrue. The virus clearly is in circulation around the world and NZ clearly ran a huge risk by allowing any touring side to enter its shores like this. Pakistan were following all of their covid protocols until they entered the hotel it seems. And NZ Gov would not have highlighted any breaches of Covid protocols if all Touring members had tested negative. They clearly freaked out with 6 active cases on their shores and made a huge deal out of players doing routine things carelessly (nobody knows yet if the ones mingling in the corridors were those who tested positive).

There is no eradication to this virus until there is a vaccine or 100% herd immunity in the world’s surviving population. New Zealand have done well to hold out until now.

 

[Space Cat]

Yes. No denying that it has worked brilliantly for internal purposes. I think that to continue this good work and become world covid beater champions, NZ needs to hold out until a vaccine, and they should just reimburse the NZ cricket board for loss of revenue etc until they are happy to resume life as they did pre covid.

Inviting a team over (to make money) and then publicly antagonise them or dehumanise them like this because of a small lapse is quite OTT. No one forced NZ to allow cricket to resume in its shores

Nobody is being dehumanised they got a stern warning to follow the rules they agreed upon prior. They already have special allowances that other visitors dont get. If it wasnt a national team they would be sent packing straight away.

Every quarantine breach no matter how small is national news here its very politicized.

 

[world cup captain]

Yes. No denying that it has worked brilliantly for internal purposes. I think that to continue this good work and become world covid beater champions, NZ needs to hold out until a vaccine, and they should just reimburse the NZ cricket board for loss of revenue etc until they are happy to resume life as they did pre covid.

Inviting a team over (to make money) and then publicly antagonise them or dehumanise them like this because of a small lapse is quite OTT. No one forced NZ to allow cricket to resume in its shores

You're correct that no one forced NZ to invite Pakistan to play in NZ; however, it also goes the other way. No one forced Pakistan to send a team over that doesn't mind putting lives at risk in order to have a little fun in their hotel.

At the moment, all we know is that only Pakistani players are infected but it is possible that some of the hotel staff may also be infected which could spiral out of control and infect many more. Would you and the rest of Pakistan be ok to accept responsibility for infecting another nation with the virus?

 

[angrypathan]

This is all fine, but my simple objection is to the line about “they locked down hard to eliminate it”, whereas this is untrue. The virus clearly is in circulation around the world and NZ clearly ran a huge risk by allowing any touring side to enter its shores like this. Pakistan were following all of their covid protocols until they entered the hotel it seems. And NZ Gov would not have highlighted any breaches of Covid protocols if all Touring members had tested negative. They clearly freaked out with 6 active cases on their shores and made a huge deal out of players doing routine things carelessly (nobody knows yet if the ones mingling in the corridors were those who tested positive).

There is no eradication to this virus until there is a vaccine or 100% herd immunity in the world’s surviving population. New Zealand have done well to hold out until now.

They did lock down hard to eliminate it. It's not like they never had a case. Yes inviting a team to tour is a risk, but that risk is almost eliminated by the hotel quarantine process, provided the visitors follow the rules and stick to their rooms. The NZ government would probably not have highlighted the breaches publicly if noone tested positive, but they sure would have had a stern word privately about the breaches and revoked some training privileges as they did when the Windies broke the rules.

 

[Junaids]

Leave the Tour immediately and Tell NZL only a public apology will make us tour your country again. This is Pathetic from NZL govt. I live in London and Trust me all this protocols and 2 meter distance crap is full of rubbish from Western World. NZL taking this too seriously.

UK (83.9% urban population)
1,570,000 cases
57,031 deaths
Mortality rate 3.6% of cases
Risk of a resident dying of Covid: 1 in 1,140


USA (82.7% urban population)
12,900,000 cases
263,000 deaths
Mortality rate 2.0% of cases
Risk of a resident dying of Covid: 1 in 1,247

Australia (86.2% urban population)
27,867 cases
907 deaths,
Mortality rate 3.2% of cases
Risk of a resident dying of Covid: 1 in 27,563

New Zealand (86.7% urban population)
2040 cases
25 deaths
Mortality rate 1.2% of cases
Risk of a resident dying of Covid: 1 in 200,000

If you live in the UK or the USA, you risk of dying of Covid is 167 TIMES HIGHER than if you live in New Zealand.

And the economies of Australia and New Zealand are consequently far more intact than those of the UK and USA. Quarterly economic activity in both Australia and New Zealand is now back to over 98% of normal levels.

So people should admire New Zealand's response, not decry it.

 

[angrypathan]

Nobody is being dehumanised they got a stern warning to follow the rules they agreed upon prior. They already have special allowances that other visitors dont get. If it wasnt a national team they would be sent packing straight away.

Every quarantine breach no matter how small is national news here its very politicized.

Exactly. If a visiting sportsman somehow spread a case into the community, the government would get absolutely slammed for allowing the tour to begin with.

 

[world cup captain]

Nobody is being dehumanised they got a stern warning to follow the rules they agreed upon prior. They already have special allowances that other visitors dont get. If it wasnt a national team they would be sent packing straight away.

Every quarantine breach no matter how small is national news here its very politicized.

You cannot argue and expect everyone to be logical with information. There's a reason why Pakistan is one of the three countries with Polio or why people can kill others on blasphemy claim. It's not that they are stubborn, they simply do not have the mental capacity to understand the ramifications of actions.

 

[Space Cat]

People need to release the NZ government and NZ cricket board are not the same thing and do not have the same motivations or obligations.

NZC invited Pakistan not the government.

I can assure you when it comes to anything border related pre covid or during covid the NZ government will react severely. If a spider finds its way into NZ in a shipping container its world war 3.

Its just the way it is here unfortunately.

 

[Rana]

Nobody is being dehumanised they got a stern warning to follow the rules they agreed upon prior. They already have special allowances that other visitors dont get. If it wasnt a national team they would be sent packing straight away.

Every quarantine breach no matter how small is national news here its very politicized.

I kindly disagree. It is very dehumanising and quite sadly, very patronising with a racial undertone to tell anyone (a south Asian less economically developed country) that it is a ‘privilege’ to play cricket in New Zealand, whereas these cricketers are risking their mental wellbeing for the past 6 months or so to be in a bubble so that the NZ cricketers can earn their livelihoods by traveling to their country. Telling a side that we will send you home if you misbehave (sharing each other’s food) is as embarrassing and as humiliating it can be, that too when you know that you are doing the favour by playing this tour. It’s not exactly my county, but I do feel that this is no way to treat anyone.

Secondly, these 6 cases have probably been the highest covid case numbers in a day for god knows how long in New Zealand. From the look of it, Pakistani cricketers must have engaged with New Zealander’s and hotel staff etc. if it is such a big deal for NZ Gov, what is the point of giving a warning/threat and not deporting Pakistan right now before these cases create a strain on the national health service?

 

[aloo paratha]

Leave the Tour immediately and Tell NZL only a public apology will make us tour your country again. This is Pathetic from NZL govt. I live in London and Trust me all this protocols and 2 meter distance crap is full of rubbish from Western World. NZL taking this too seriously.

i too think the restrictions are way too harsh, but those were known before going on tour. If our players didn't wanna follow them they shouldn't have gone. Now that they agreed to the rules and are there, they must follow by them.

 

[CleverSir]

You go to their country, don't follow their rules, get told off, then want to tell them to screw off? Wah ji wah!

 

[Space Cat]

In saying that we are not unreasonable we want international sport to continue. We had international rugby teams touring recently with no incident and returned the favour.

We would love for the Pakistan tour to go ahead i cant wait to get to the test here in christchurch. But the majority of NZ public are not cricket fans they are worried about outbreaks.

 

[Rana]

You're correct that no one forced NZ to invite Pakistan to play in NZ; however, it also goes the other way. No one forced Pakistan to send a team over that doesn't mind putting lives at risk in order to have a little fun in their hotel.

At the moment, all we know is that only Pakistani players are infected but it is possible that some of the hotel staff may also be infected which could spiral out of control and infect many more. Would you and the rest of Pakistan be ok to accept responsibility for infecting another nation with the virus?

But Pakistan ensured that it followed its own covid procedures and only allowed the 53 touring members to board the flight after 3 negative covid results. They did not send covid infections into the country. They did however make a major blunder by not booking a chartered flight.

 

[CleverSir]

In saying that we are not unreasonable we want international sport to continue. We had international rugby teams touring recently with no incident and returned the favour.

We would love for the Pakistan tour to go ahead i cant wait to get to the test here in christchurch. But the majority of NZ public are not cricket fans they are worried about outbreaks.

As any country should be. NZ is leading the world in controlling the corona virus. All credit to your country. I can understand why people feel that way in your country. You guys put in the hard yards early and now want to take the payoff it's given. The rest of us need to learn from your example. I've had two friends nearly die from this virus. I understand how serious this is, as do others who have had friends/family die or get close to it. No harsh feelings from me for your government telling our travelling party to get its house in order.

 

[wrongun]

Lol, how are people appalled at the bheaviour of NZ govt?

What is more appalling is over entitled cricketers and guests in a country who think they don't have to follow the rules- placing lives and livelihoods of an entire country at risk in doing so...

Then want to get all high & mighty about it when they get told off.

You have an entire country trying to follow the rules, look after each other and do the right thing so businesses can stay open and families can see each other during their holiday time... Of course they have to speak publicly if high profile visitors do the wrong thing. Otherwise why would locals follow the rules.

Did the wrong thing, cop your medicine and get on with it. NZ will quite happily stop the tour & send the players home. They'd rather have grandma alive & the chance to visit each other at christmas than a cricket match.

 

[Junaids]

I kindly disagree. It is very dehumanising and quite sadly, very patronising with a racial undertone to tell anyone (a south Asian less economically developed country) that it is a ‘privilege’ to play cricket in New Zealand, whereas these cricketers are risking their mental wellbeing for the past 6 months or so to be in a bubble so that the NZ cricketers can earn their livelihoods by traveling to their country. Telling a side that we will send you home if you misbehave (sharing each other’s food) is as embarrassing and as humiliating it can be, that too when you know that you are doing the favour by playing this tour. It’s not exactly my county, but I do feel that this is no way to treat anyone.

Secondly, these 6 cases have probably been the highest covid case numbers in a day for god knows how long in New Zealand. From the look of it, Pakistani cricketers must have engaged with New Zealander’s and hotel staff etc. if it is such a big deal for NZ Gov, what is the point of giving a warning/threat and not deporting Pakistan right now before these cases create a strain on the national health service?

You do understand that New Zealand is not a "white" country?

It is a binational country, founded upon a Treaty between the Maori owners of the land and Pakeha (non-Maori) people.

There are two official languages - Maori and English.

Look at the NZ rugby league team, even the rugby team, and see how many white faces you see.

There is a travel bubble with Australia - Kiwis can go to Australia without quarantine, but anyone arriving from Australia - even Kiwis - goes into 2 weeks of supervised quarantine at a cost of $3100.

This is not a white country humiliating a brown country.

This is an advanced multi-racial country which has remained safe in a pandemic by following scientific advice to the letter. And it is making visits by foreign teams conditional upon them following the same rules for 2 weeks that Kiwis had to follow for 5 weeks to eliminate the virus in the first place.

 

[Space Cat]

I kindly disagree. It is very dehumanising and quite sadly, very patronising with a racial undertone to tell anyone (a south Asian less economically developed country) that it is a ‘privilege’ to play cricket in New Zealand, whereas these cricketers are risking their mental wellbeing for the past 6 months or so to be in a bubble so that the NZ cricketers can earn their livelihoods by traveling to their country. Telling a side that we will send you home if you misbehave (sharing each other’s food) is as embarrassing and as humiliating it can be, that too when you know that you are doing the favour by playing this tour. It’s not exactly my county, but I do feel that this is no way to treat anyone.

Secondly, these 6 cases have probably been the highest covid case numbers in a day for god knows how long in New Zealand. From the look of it, Pakistani cricketers must have engaged with New Zealander’s and hotel staff etc. if it is such a big deal for NZ Gov, what is the point of giving a warning/threat and not deporting Pakistan right now before these cases create a strain on the national health service?

I think you are reading into this completely the wrong way if you think the NZ government has racial motivations in manner of dealing with this. Im not interested in continuing that argument sorry.

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

Seriously?

What Pakistan management and board need to do is apologize and move on and hope this passes away while implementing stricter protocols for their players.

Are we seriously criticizing Nzl here?

Really don't get why NZ is to blame, our players broke the protocol...

 

[world cup captain]

But Pakistan ensured that it followed its own covid procedures and only allowed the 53 touring members to board the flight after 3 negative covid results. They did not send covid infections into the country. They did however make a major blunder by not booking a chartered flight.

You said it yourself. It is still Pakistan that is to be blamed for all of this. Life may not have a lot of value in Pakistan, but other governments typically care about their citizens.

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

I kindly disagree. It is very dehumanising and quite sadly, very patronising with a racial undertone to tell anyone (a south Asian less economically developed country) that it is a ‘privilege’ to play cricket in New Zealand, whereas these cricketers are risking their mental wellbeing for the past 6 months or so to be in a bubble so that the NZ cricketers can earn their livelihoods by traveling to their country. Telling a side that we will send you home if you misbehave (sharing each other’s food) is as embarrassing and as humiliating it can be, that too when you know that you are doing the favour by playing this tour. It’s not exactly my county, but I do feel that this is no way to treat anyone.

Secondly, these 6 cases have probably been the highest covid case numbers in a day for god knows how long in New Zealand. From the look of it, Pakistani cricketers must have engaged with New Zealander’s and hotel staff etc. if it is such a big deal for NZ Gov, what is the point of giving a warning/threat and not deporting Pakistan right now before these cases create a strain on the national health service?

I think you're putting the wrong spin on it. He means that under these circumstances, it is remarkable that NZ, with all their strict lockdowns (I recall that when a case came up in Christchurch or somewhere they immediately went to a Stage 3 or something lockdown for a few days) and good COVID situations they have decided to allow the Pak team to tour.

And the reason it may come across as patronising is because our players and ignorant and stubborn awaamare known to do stupid things and if these infections are due to the players breaching protocols then they have just demonstrated why other people may have a patronising attitude towards South Asians (not that such an attitude is justified).

 

[Rana]

I think you are reading into this completely the wrong way if you think the NZ government has racial motivations in manner of dealing with this. Im not interested in continuing that argument sorry.

“New Zealand Director-General of Health Dr. Ashley Bloomfield said breaches of managed isolation rules were taken very seriously.

“It is a privilege to come to New Zealand to play sport,” he said. “But in return teams must stick to the rules that are designed to keep COVID-19 out of our communities and keep our staff safe.”

Your guy said this. And The NZ government issued a final warning to Pakistan. He was talking about his frustrations to Pakistan. Do you not think he could have chosen his words a little more wisely?

 

[El Generico]

The tour should not be cancelled, our players are to be blamed for violating the COVID rules. NZ has worked hard to contain the virus so it makes sense that they take any breach seriously.

With that being said, imo New Zeland went a bit over board with the “privilege” comment, what is that suppose to mean? Isn’t it a home tour for NZ and with them keeping most of the revenue? If anything it is Pakistani players who are sacrificing by going through the whole quarantine process.

 

[Titan24]

100% has to be.

There is more this than two cricket boards. The government is coveying this message to all visitors lucky enough to be allowed inside our closed borders. Also to the concerned public who only just relected them.

If my own mother cannot get back to NZ from Aussie right now then its certainly a privilage for a visiting sporting team to be allowed in.

Fair enough.

I hope things within the Pakistan cricket team bubble improve as well as around the world.

 

[zain7077]

Don’t believe in this “Privilege” nonsense. If anything NZ should be grateful that shortly after a near escape by the Bangladesh team in Christchurch teams are still touring.

 

[Usman]

100% has to be.

There is more this than two cricket boards. The government is coveying this message to all visitors lucky enough to be allowed inside our closed borders. Also to the concerned public who only just relected them.

If my own mother cannot get back to NZ from Aussie right now then its certainly a privilage for a visiting sporting team to be allowed in.

I am the first to criticise our players for breaking the rules. They went badly wrong by doing so. However mistakes happen - we are all human beings. To demean your guests in the way New Zealand has is NOT ON.

The example of your mother is a hopeless example. Your mother coming into the country benefits no-one but your family. The Pakistani cricket team coming into the country, at a time when international sport is so scarce, directly fills the coffers of the New Zealand cricket board, not to mention gives New Zealand fans a chance to watch their team in competitive matches. Given also that it's the Pakistani team that has to isolate in New Zealand, the privilege is ALL New Zealands. Don't you or anyone else dare patronize us.

 

[BaankeJi]

Lot of posters saying Pakistan should abandon the tour. What reason will they give for doing so? That they were warned for a grave mistake by their hosts?

 

[moghul]

Why should 35 players get punished based on people who broke the rules?

Because I won't be surprised if more players become positive, its high contagious virus.

 

[Junaids]

Because I won't be surprised if more players become positive, its high contagious virus.

It's patently obvious that far more than 6 of them broke the rules, but many of them had already had it so they didn't get re-infected.

 

[Space Cat]

“New Zealand Director-General of Health Dr. Ashley Bloomfield said breaches of managed isolation rules were taken very seriously.

“It is a privilege to come to New Zealand to play sport,” he said. “But in return teams must stick to the rules that are designed to keep COVID-19 out of our communities and keep our staff safe.”

Your guy said this. And The NZ government issued a final warning to Pakistan. He was talking about his frustrations to Pakistan. Do you not think he could have chosen his words a little more wisely?

Im struggling to see any problem with anything with what he said?

Here in NZ if you break the rules we tell you to stop it. There is no molly coddling because you think you deserve it. The same applies to any visitor.

 

[Space Cat]

I am the first to criticise our players for breaking the rules. They went badly wrong by doing so. However mistakes happen - we are all human beings. To demean your guests in the way New Zealand has is NOT ON.

The example of your mother is a hopeless example. Your mother coming into the country benefits no-one but your family. The Pakistani cricket team coming into the country, at a time when international sport is so scarce, directly fills the coffers of the New Zealand cricket board, not to mention gives New Zealand fans a chance to watch their team in competitive matches. Given also that it's the Pakistani team that has to isolate in New Zealand, the privilege is ALL New Zealands. Don't you or anyone else dare patronize us.

But its fine for you to patronize us?

Nobody is trying to insult anybody its please follow rules you agreed upon on. You didnt the first time clearly but we are giving you another chance or we have to take action for the safety of the public.

I dont understand how that could possibly demeaning or patronising unless you were a spoiled child used to getting away with doing as you please.

 

[Gilly]

The correct response would be for the PCB to apologize to the people of New Zealand and then reprimand the players that broke protocols and reassure the NZ government that they take these protocols serious and will not let it happen again.

 

[MenInG]

The correct response would be for the PCB to apologize to the people of New Zealand and then reprimand the players that broke protocols and reassure the NZ government that they take these protocols serious and will not let it happen again.

Strange silence from PCB on this subject.