What should Pakistan do in response to the stern warning from New Zealand Health Minister?

[Mir jibran]

The best response to this would be smashing the kiwis in both series'

 

[CricketCartoons]

I think you are reading into this completely the wrong way if you think the NZ government has racial motivations in manner of dealing with this. Im not interested in continuing that argument sorry.

Just a culture shock for pakistan, as guests are entitled to privileges in pakistani culture. In NZ, rules are rules whether you are guest or not.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The public health security of an entire nation doesnt justify a sternly worded warning?

There is a diplomatic way of handling things. Clearly NZ govt doesn't have an idea about it. They are lucky this incident hasnt snowballed into a diplomatic quagmire for NZ.

 

[MenInG]

Some prominent voices in the New Zealand community are calling for Pakistan cricketers to be punished for breaching the SOPs in place due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

New Zealand Cricket (NZC) confirmed on Thursday that six members of the Pakistan team, currently in managed isolation in Christchurch, have tested positive for Covid-19.

New Zealand broadcaster, Chris Lynch, in his column for New Zealand Herald, was critical of the Pakistan team for breaking the strict isolation rules at a Christchurch hotel and said ‘Pakistan cricketers should be punished’.

“It is a privilege, not a right to be granted access to New Zealand. There are plenty of Kiwis unable to return home because managed isolation facilities are fully booked. Pakistan shouldn't be granted any special exemptions in the first place, either they're in managed isolation or they're not,” Lynch wrote.

“I feel grateful to live in a country where Covid-19 has not taken a foothold. If others are unclear about their responsibilities during the global pandemic, the threat of a plane ticket home should help ease any confusion,” he added.

ALSO READ: Shoaib Akhtar lashes out at New Zealand Cricket over deportation threat

D'Arcy Waldegrave, a radio broadcaster in New Zealand, termed the Pakistan team 'astonishingly arrogant' and wants the New Zealand government to set an example out of the Men in Green.

“Let’s make example of anyone playing fast and loose with our border generosity,” Waldegrave said.

Nick Wilson, a professor from the Department of Public Health at the University of Otago, said the issue with the Pakistan team indicates that New Zealand’s border control system was not effective.

“We really need a major re-look at the system,” Wilson told Radio New Zealand on Friday. “What we probably need is a traffic light system, so that things are much more stringent for people coming from high-risk red zone countries like Pakistan, the US, and the UK.”

https://cricketpakistan.com.pk/en/n...hed-new-zealanders-turn-against-pakistan-team

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Errr.. maybe follow the rules?

 

[Space Cat]

There is a diplomatic way of handling things. Clearly NZ govt doesn't have an idea about it. They are lucky this incident hasnt snowballed into a diplomatic quagmire for NZ.

Dont know of many governments willing to lose the confidence of its own people to keep another nations feelings from being hurt. Especially when the diplomatic ties are minor.

We dont comprimise boarder security for anybody. Its part of the deal if you ever come here.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Extremely poor comments by NZ journalists. Pakistanis are there on invitation and as representative of their country.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Dont know of many governments willing to lose the confidence of its own people to keep another nations feelings from being hurt. Especially when the diplomatic ties are minor.

We dont comprimise boarder security for anybody. Its part of the deal if you ever come here.

I am not going to Newzealand as representative of my country. If i was and i was being threatened with deportation, expect the NZ high commissioner to be excoriated in New Delhi. Demarche been issued.

 

[El Generico]

Pakistan made a mistake but these NZ journalist are escalating this for no reason. They need to calm down and move on.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Some prominent voices in the New Zealand community are calling for Pakistan cricketers to be punished for breaching the SOPs in place due to the Covid-19 pandemic.

New Zealand Cricket (NZC) confirmed on Thursday that six members of the Pakistan team, currently in managed isolation in Christchurch, have tested positive for Covid-19.

New Zealand broadcaster, Chris Lynch, in his column for New Zealand Herald, was critical of the Pakistan team for breaking the strict isolation rules at a Christchurch hotel and said ‘Pakistan cricketers should be punished’.

“It is a privilege, not a right to be granted access to New Zealand. There are plenty of Kiwis unable to return home because managed isolation facilities are fully booked. Pakistan shouldn't be granted any special exemptions in the first place, either they're in managed isolation or they're not,” Lynch wrote.

“I feel grateful to live in a country where Covid-19 has not taken a foothold. If others are unclear about their responsibilities during the global pandemic, the threat of a plane ticket home should help ease any confusion,” he added.

ALSO READ: Shoaib Akhtar lashes out at New Zealand Cricket over deportation threat

D'Arcy Waldegrave, a radio broadcaster in New Zealand, termed the Pakistan team 'astonishingly arrogant' and wants the New Zealand government to set an example out of the Men in Green.

“Let’s make example of anyone playing fast and loose with our border generosity,” Waldegrave said.

Nick Wilson, a professor from the Department of Public Health at the University of Otago, said the issue with the Pakistan team indicates that New Zealand’s border control system was not effective.

“We really need a major re-look at the system,” Wilson told Radio New Zealand on Friday. “What we probably need is a traffic light system, so that things are much more stringent for people coming from high-risk red zone countries like Pakistan, the US, and the UK.”

https://cricketpakistan.com.pk/en/n...hed-new-zealanders-turn-against-pakistan-team

Are pakistanis asylum seekers in NZ? These are extremely humiliating comments.

 

[El Generico]

Are pakistanis asylum seekers in NZ? These are extremely humiliating comments.

The comments are getting a bit ott, these guy are making it seem like the Pakistani cricketers went on some sort of killing spree. Pakistan made a mistake and NZ have right to be complain but these comments are getting needless. They need to move on.

 

[Space Cat]

I am not going to Newzealand as representative of my country. If i was and i was being threatened with deportation, expect the NZ high commissioner to be excoriated in New Delhi. Demarche been issued.

You only get deported from NZ if you break our laws. If you expect to visit a nation and break its laws and then expect a diplomatic incident to occur because you got sent packing. Im afraid then once again you have found yourself back in dreamland.

Dreamland doesnt deport people though.

 

[Space Cat]

The comments are getting a bit ott, these guy are making it seem like the Pakistani cricketers went on some sort of killing spree. Pakistan made a mistake and NZ have right to be complain but these comments are getting needless. They need to move on.

They are clickbait media. They will write anything provocative for advertising views.

Every postive test is like a new pandemic to some of these gutter jounalists.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You only get deported from NZ if you break our laws. If you expect to visit a nation and break its laws and then expect a diplomatic incident to occur because you got sent packing. Im afraid then once again you have found yourself back in dreamland.

Dreamland doesnt deport people though.

Try threatening deportation threats with the Indian team and you will know what diplomatic incident means.

If NZ govt is unhappy with pakistan team, very well, ask them to leave politely. These public ultimatums are not for invited dignitaries representing their nations.

 

[Space Cat]

Try threatening deportation threats with the Indian team and you will know what diplomatic incident means.

If NZ govt is unhappy with pakistan team, very well, ask them to leave politely. These public ultimatums are not for invited dignitaries representing their nations.

If they broke the law they would be sent packing and the the Indian government would not make a peep. We deport Indians all the time for breaking our laws.

Heres a radical idea. Dont act like a spoilt baby and you wont be treated like one.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">New Zealand’s Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield "The fact that these infections were found when they were tested on arrival in New Zealand suggests that there may be other squad members that we uncover during day three testing, which we should have today" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NZvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NZvPAK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1332242626364514305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 27, 2020</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">According to NZ’s Director-General of Health Dr Ashley Bloomfield, members of the Pakistan squad were seen receiving food from hotel staff without wearing a mask & some interacted with other members of the squad, which was contrary to the SOPs in place due to Covid-19 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NZvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#NZvPAK</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1332243598746791937?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 27, 2020</a></blockquote>
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[gazza619]

There is a very good reason why the virus is under control in NZ, it is due to their govt policies.

So lets stop feeding our egos and follow the damn rules as this can potentially kill their people.

 

[El Generico]

The fact that the players interacted with the hotel staff without wearing mask is a serious breach. Who is the team manager? He clearly isn’t doing his job right.

 

[cricketjoshila]

There is a very good reason why the virus is under control in NZ, it is due to their govt policies.

So lets stop feeding our egos and follow the damn rules as this can potentially kill their people.

Its a small sparsely populated island nation thats literally closed itself off to the world.

If Pakistan did it before the first pakistanis arrived from Iran or China or Europe. it would have under control there too.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The fact that the players interacted with the hotel staff without wearing mask is a serious breach. Who is the team manager? He clearly isn’t doing his job right.

Arent the staff not supposed to not handover things to the players?

 

[Usman]

But its fine for you to patronize us?

Nobody is trying to insult anybody its please follow rules you agreed upon on. You didnt the first time clearly but we are giving you another chance or we have to take action for the safety of the public.

I dont understand how that could possibly demeaning or patronising unless you were a spoiled child used to getting away with doing as you please.

The patronising that has been happen is all one way. From NZ to Pakistan and not the other way around. I agree wholeheartedly that the boys MUST follow the rules and if they break them, the repercussions must be strong. However there is a way to do that and still treat everyone like adults.

This is not a spoilt child scenario - that would only be applicable if I was saying "NZ shouldn't be asking us to follow the rules because we don't like following rules". As I say, the boys absolutley have to follow the rules and NZ has every right to be angry if those rules are broken. But the way NZ has gone about it is just simply disrespectful. It's not the way I would have done it in their position.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If they broke the law they would be sent packing and the the Indian government would not make a peep. We deport Indians all the time for breaking our laws.

Heres a radical idea. Dont act like a spoilt baby and you wont be treated like one.

You deport ordinary Indians not Indian dignitaries who are there on invitation representing their countries. They are not ordinary tourists or immigrants. There is a difference.

Indian government will summon the NZ high commissioner, hand him a demarche. Your official will be asked to apologise for his high handed approach and the Indian team will return without playing any way.

Else every NZ dignitary in India will be facing the music.

Once US arrested an Indian counsellor in US. The US diplomats had their ID cards rescinded in India, made to stand in serpentine queues every where they went and issued challans for laws not even Indians knew existed.

The Indian counsellor came back to India thumbing the noses of US courts.

You guys are lucky that pakistan needs you guys to tour next time around hence they are being polite. Doesn't mean you guys think they are poor asylum seekers trying to get residence in NZ. The idiots who are asking them to be made example out of, dont know what awaits NZ dignitaries in Pakistan, should such an attempt is made.

 

[szrana007]

Sorry, why are we still on tour? they are talking about punishing/deporting us. We should return home pronto, if we have any self respect. We don't need this tour.

 

[Space Cat]

You deport ordinary Indians not Indian dignitaries who are there on invitation representing their countries. They are not ordinary tourists or immigrants. There is a difference.

Indian government will summon the NZ high commissioner, hand him a demarche. Your official will be asked to apologise for his high handed approach and the Indian team will return without playing any way.

Else every NZ dignitary in India will be facing the music.

Once US arrested an Indian counsellor in US. The US diplomats had their ID cards rescinded in India, made to stand in serpentine queues every where they went and issued challans for laws not even Indians knew existed.

The Indian counsellor came back to India thumbing the noses of US courts.

You guys are lucky that pakistan needs you guys to tour next time around hence they are being polite. Doesn't mean you guys think they are poor asylum seekers trying to get residence in NZ. The idiots who are asking them to be made example out of, dont know what awaits NZ dignitaries in Pakistan, should such an attempt is made.

Cool story and all would and make a nice cold war era novella but at no point are cricketers dignitaries. They are not here on diplomatic visas they are here on short term working visas.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Cool story and all would and make a nice cold war era novella but at no point are cricketers dignitaries. They are not here on diplomatic visas they are here on short term working visas.

Story? There is entire thread on TP on that incident.

Cricketers are not looking for work in NZ. They are representing their country and are on national duty. They are there on the invitation of NZC.

As i said, Pakistan are being extremely polite despite the high handed approach of the NZ official.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Pakistani opened the door for the arrogant Kiwi journalists and health authority by being overly respectful. Wasim pit his foot in his mouth. The players had made a mistake and Pakistan owned up completely.

Then NZ Health cynically made the whole thing public.

Success against Covid has gone into the head of NZ government, who are publicly feeding its journalists. No longer the younger brother to Australia for once.

Pakistan don’t need to abandon the tour. Through a series of missteps, they have handed the initiative to NZ who are milking it.

They need to be internally strong and United - which is not the case at the moment. Therefore best to wait and give it back at their own time.

 

[Junaids]

Its a small sparsely populated island nation thats literally closed itself off to the world.

Actually, New Zealand has a higher percentage of its population living in towns or cities than the UK, USA and Australia.

A lot of the land is empty. But half the population lives in Auckland.

 

[Gilly]

Story? There is entire thread on TP on that incident.

Cricketers are not looking for work in NZ. They are representing their country and are on national duty. They are there on the invitation of NZC.

As i said, Pakistan are being extremely polite despite the high handed approach of the NZ official.

There should be respect for the culture in NZ too, in NZ the public are made aware of everything because being open to the public not only re enforces policies and openly shows that everyone is treated the same. If this issue was kept quiet and later on it would look like the Pakistan cricket team was treated differently to everyone else. Furthermore the people who are trusted to uphold these protocols work for the public and are not paid to hide anything from the public. Its an open country where the public are informed.

 

[IMMY69]

Too many people getting offended by this which is strange.
If you can't keep to the protocols then you deserve to be embarrassed.

Coming from a country like NZ, where they have kept the country pretty much virus free, is absolutely understandable.

How difficult was it to just follow the protocols that were set in place??

 

[Shafi]

Just cancel the series. We will be whitewashed any way. Nobody likes one sided matches.

 

[world cup captain]

Pakistanis do not like things straightforward. Instead, we need everything to be sugar-coated so we are respected. Shove your respect up your *** if you risk other people's lives.

 

[zamana]

One should focus on ensuring a safe and enjoyable tour. The issue should be resolved by the Medical Personnel and the respective Boards . COVID is highly transmissible and all efforts must be made to ensure safety for all concerned. The Pakistan team must ensure that all SOP's are carried out in letter and spirit and NZ cricket must extend full cooperation in a civilized and courteous manner. Inappropriate wearing of masks is unacceptable. If NZ has been able to contain COVID, we should appreciate it and it is incumbent on us to follow all protocols. It is not a diplomatic or cricketing matter but a Medical issue. Anyone who does not conform to the standards should not be allowed to participate. COVID trumps all other issues!

 

[zamana]

If six members of the touring party have tested positive one has to ascertain if they are symptomatic, if they were previously positive in the past and what kind of testing was performed. IgM antibodies reflect recent exposure, while IgG antibodies can persist for a long duration and may not necessarily signify an acute infection. A thorough understanding of the disease and those that test positive is imperative for evaluating the situation. I fear that the NZ authorities may not be medically sophisticated to appreciate these issues. Their Health system may not be that evolved and frankly they have been fortunate not to have had significant exposure to COVID to understand the nuances of the disease.

 

[zamana]

One should assess why 6 members of the touring party test positive on arrival to NZ. That is 11% of the party is positive.
1. I assume that they were negative in Pakistan.
2. What kind of testing was performed in Pakistan and then in NZ? Were the tests similar?
3. Was the test in Pakistan false negative or the test False positive in NZ? Or does this show acute infection between the tests. Were strict protocols followed? If not, those who violated them should be sent back. There are no excuses for not wearing a mask properly.
4. If the six members are truly acutely positive, how did they acquire the virus. Contact tracing should be performed.
5. If there was a transgression of SOP's , then there is no excuse and the system will seriously need to be re-evaluated and reset to ensure compliance. Any violators should be asked to leave the tour. Then the concerns and statements of the NZ Officials is entirely valid and there is no room for diplomacy or offending anyone's sensibilities.
6. Pakistan should follow the NZ example and have zero tolerance for transgression. This is not just a cricket tour but a public health issue. This is much bigger than the feelings of people. We need to contain and eliminate this virus collectively.

 

[zamana]

Pakistan needs to understand the gravity of the Pandemic. They have to conform to SOP's . Any transgression is inexcusable. If someone violates the procedure, please send them back. If we collectively don't understand our obligations, then the tour should be cancelled. This is a Medical issue and not a cricketing or political issue. We must appreciate the efforts of NZ to contain and limit the spread of COVID in their country. Like all other countries, they can ill afford the spread in their communities. It is the obligation of the guest to exceed the requirements and the obligation of the host to offer the best and most conducive environment.

 

[Runner Up]

Follow the guidelines and carry on with the tour but NZ Government should show some respect to their guests. Was it really necessary to issue this statement publicly?

 

[Madplayer]

Pakistan are in no position to protest. They are in the wrong and should do everything to de-escalate the matter and conclude the tour without any further issues.

The comments from NZ govt and media are bitter and hard to hear for any self-respecting Pakistani. However, the best response is to swallow the bitter pill, shut up and finish the tour.

If the players would have been careful earlier, their board wouldnt have been in such a compromising position.

 

[Savak]

The Pakistani govt is to blame here. They should have summoned the NZ high commissioner for an explanation and have told them that the Pakistani team will adhere to all the local requirements, protocol but at the same time the country of NZ should not blow things out of proportion.

 

[Rana]

To be fair, that statement is not from a government official but some paindu journalist. Obnoxious nonetheless.

Its like Covid or the fear of life has given the closet imperialists a chance to vent their anger against the uncivilised people of the sub-continent.

 

[taqi]

there should be no question what to do simple obey protocols. why there is even a question mistake happened ok apologies and get your act straight

 

[Madplayer]

The Pakistani govt is to blame here. They should have summoned the NZ high commissioner for an explanation and have told them that the Pakistani team will adhere to all the local requirements, protocol but at the same time the country of NZ should not blow things out of proportion.

The Pakistani govt should ignore it completely. Believe me, the entire world will support the kiwis on this without exceptions. There is no need to give this incident any more publicity. Keep it lowkey from here on. Just get done with the tour quietly. Smash the Kiwi team if you can while you're at it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

“The threat of a plane ticket home”

That is as racist as it comes

This shows their mentality. Pathetic.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The Pakistani govt is to blame here. They should have summoned the NZ high commissioner for an explanation and have told them that the Pakistani team will adhere to all the local requirements, protocol but at the same time the country of NZ should not blow things out of proportion.

Well they should be have. The comments make it look like Pakistanis are begging to be in NZ.

 

[kingusama92]

The patronising that has been happen is all one way. From NZ to Pakistan and not the other way around. I agree wholeheartedly that the boys MUST follow the rules and if they break them, the repercussions must be strong. However there is a way to do that and still treat everyone like adults.

This is not a spoilt child scenario - that would only be applicable if I was saying "NZ shouldn't be asking us to follow the rules because we don't like following rules". As I say, the boys absolutley have to follow the rules and NZ has every right to be angry if those rules are broken. But the way NZ has gone about it is just simply disrespectful. It's not the way I would have done it in their position.

I think it's important to remember the NZ government doesn't care about NZC either. We have a very similar situation here between the Canadian government and sports teams.

Trust me, this warning from NZ's government was just as much for NZC as it was for Pakistan.

The only message sent by complaining about the warning is that you care more about your feelings than the thousands of deaths you could cause. That's just a horrible look and I don't think NZC would be willing to work with the PCB ever again.

Sometimes it's okay to take it on the chin and move on.

 

[MMHS]

Pakistan (PCB) should send a formal apology to NZC on behalf of their irresponsible players and spank some a$$ behind doors. This is an issue that NZC had very little control and making their life difficult won’t brighten PCB’s future much. PCB is an institution, not lousy individuals like Shoaib without any responsibility - they should act logically, which often will hurt their esteemed ego, but here their players didn’t help much.

I am not aware of exact words (threats) used and what actually happened; but if it’s indeed that PAK players broke the COVID protocol set by NZ ministry, then PCT is lucky to be still there. Few weeks back a two months tour of BD in SRL was cancelled because SLC couldn’t get approval from their ministry for a leniency of COVID protocol for the touring BD squad. At least for once I hope Pakistan & PCB can better of their privileged status co - there was an SOP agreed by PCB and their players let them down; showing usual attitude won’t help here.

 

[Saj]

Take on board the advice, act like responsible adults, don't act as if you are back home thinking you can do anything and stay out of trouble.

Simple.

 

[NishanKonar]

You deport ordinary Indians not Indian dignitaries who are there on invitation representing their countries. They are not ordinary tourists or immigrants. There is a difference.

Indian government will summon the NZ high commissioner, hand him a demarche. Your official will be asked to apologise for his high handed approach and the Indian team will return without playing any way.

Else every NZ dignitary in India will be facing the music.

Once US arrested an Indian counsellor in US. The US diplomats had their ID cards rescinded in India, made to stand in serpentine queues every where they went and issued challans for laws not even Indians knew existed.

The Indian counsellor came back to India thumbing the noses of US courts.

You guys are lucky that pakistan needs you guys to tour next time around hence they are being polite. Doesn't mean you guys think they are poor asylum seekers trying to get residence in NZ. The idiots who are asking them to be made example out of, dont know what awaits NZ dignitaries in Pakistan, should such an attempt is made.

That Indian diplomat should have been jailed for what she did. She was lucky to get away due to diplomatic immuunity rules & Indo-US relations !

 

[NishanKonar]

Try threatening deportation threats with the Indian team and you will know what diplomatic incident means.

If NZ govt is unhappy with pakistan team, very well, ask them to leave politely. These public ultimatums are not for invited dignitaries representing their nations.

This is pathetic mentality

even as an Indian - I wud be very upset if Indian team flouts SOPs in Australia

 

[Golden arm]

Kiwis are different breed altogether. They are not bullies usually. Americans are bullies.Surprisingly bullies are the first one to bow down.

 

[Saj]

I think people need to understand that this is a matter of life and death.

I too would be upset if someone came from abroad and started flouting Covid-19 rules within days of arriving from abroad.

 

[ahsan17]

Pakistani players should have followed the protocols, but the way NZ government has handled this is appalling.

1. The non-sense around "privilege to access NZ". They are pretending that the Pakistani team are a bunch of tourists or immigrants. They are representatives of the country, not a bunch of tourists.
2. Publicly shaming the team. The PCB should have a chat with NZC to have them apologize for public shaming. NZC should have done what they did under the covers privately. This public shaming is appalling.
3. Interacting with hotel staff. Let me guess, the hotel staff don't bear any responsibility since they are not brown? The hotel staff tend to know if any large parties like sport teams are staying, so why do they bear no responsibility?

 

[cricketjoshila]

That Indian diplomat should have been jailed for what she did. She was lucky to get away due to diplomatic immuunity rules & Indo-US relations !

Jailed? For what?

 

[kingusama92]

shaming. NZC should have done what they did under the covers privately. This public shaming is appalling.
3. Interacting with hotel staff. Let me guess, the hotel staff don't bear any responsibility since they are not brown? The hotel staff tend to know if any large parties like sport teams are staying, so why do they bear no responsibility?

The hotel staff was following the rules.

If someone walks up to you without their mask on, what do you do? Run? Punch him?

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is pathetic mentality

even as an Indian - I wud be very upset if Indian team flouts SOPs in Australia

Problem is that NZ has been very high handed. Public ultimatums. Journos saying pakistan team has to be made an example out of. Threat of plane tickets.

Its as if its a group of asylum seekers, desperate to stay in NZ.

 

[NishanKonar]

Jailed? For what?

She had taken 1 domestic help - paying them peanuts & making them work insane hours , taking advantage of their poverty. Just bcoz these things are ok in India, does not mean its legal in USA !

 

[HitWicket]

Imagine having the gall to arrive in a covid-free country you've been given special dispensation to enter, break the law within days of arriving and suggesting it's outrageous that they were publicly reprimanded for doing so.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Not sure why NZ officials have gone south over this.
Players have been complaining about not been able to roam in Pakistan for years and years, and recently no one has toured too

If NZ keep this up I can see no one wanting to tour them or even players pulling out

 

[Saj]

Imagine having the gall to arrive in a covid-free country you've been given special dispensation to enter, break the law within days of arriving and suggesting it's outrageous that they were publicly reprimanded for doing so.

So true.

Some of these lads may have silver spoon treatment in Pakistan, but nobody gives a damn who they are or think they are in New Zealand.

 

[kingusama92]

Imagine having the gall to arrive in a covid-free country you've been given special dispensation to enter, break the law within days of arriving and suggesting it's outrageous that they were publicly reprimanded for doing so.

The response from some Pakistani fans/media members sheds a light on why these Pakistani cricketers walk around like self-important princes.

How can anyone talk about the players' feelings getting hurt after doing something as dumb as this?

I remember similar nonsense after the spot-fixing stuff.

All sorts of allegations about racism, altered video, the pay not being enough, age, influence. Kinda funny how that was also a time when certain players embarrassed the host by breaking rules.

It's this same atmosphere that creates players that whine in front of the media when they get dropped.

 

[Hasan123]

Imagine having the gall to arrive in a covid-free country you've been given special dispensation to enter, break the law within days of arriving and suggesting it's outrageous that they were publicly reprimanded for doing so.

Pakistan fans will defend anything. They found ways to defend fixers. You really think they wouldn't defend this?

 

[Aman]

Truth be told, New Zealand have not really tackled the corona virus at all. They have not even faced it like the rest of the world has. Desperately holding out for a vaccine to open up their borders like pre 2020.

They should never have allowed any touring sides into the country in the first place if they are so, so cautious.

We had the Aussie rugby team tour here no problem. How is following protocol and staying in quarantine such a big problem? Everyone who returns to NZ citizen or not does it. Why should Pakistan be given a special exception? They're no doing us a favor, NZC could easily call up another team who would jump at the chance to play some cricket in a country where they can walk the streets around freely.

The NZ Warriors had to stay in Australia for months and lived in a bubble away from their family and they were able to follow protocol.

Here some international cricketers cannot isolate for 2 weeks.

 

[ahsan17]

Imagine having the gall to arrive in a covid-free country you've been given special dispensation to enter, break the law within days of arriving and suggesting it's outrageous that they were publicly reprimanded for doing so.

It's possible to have a nuanced discussion about this, instead of making it black and white.

Yes Pakistan shouldn't have broken the quarantine protocol and should have been reprimanded.

But which "special dispensation" are you talking about? This wording and similar wording suggests Pakistan were begging NZ to play NZ in NZ. Pakistan are not entering NZ like they are immigrants or tourists. They are representing Pakistan as a country. NZ could have just cancelled the tour.

And yes, it's outrageous that Pakistan was reprimanded publicly. Because no way the same thing would have happened with England, India or Australia had they broken the quarantine protocol.

 

[Aman]

Pakistan fans will defend anything. They found ways to defend fixers. You really think they wouldn't defend this?

Somehow we've become the villains for trying to keep COVID out of our country and Pakistan are doing us a favor by touring.

Are people really acting like NZ wouldn't be able to call up another team to tour if Pakistan returned home because the NZ government told them off for breaking protocol. It's so childish and immature, like a baby throwing a tantrum.

Doesn't matter who it is, follow protocol or go home.

 

[Aman]

Its a small sparsely populated island nation thats literally closed itself off to the world.

If Pakistan did it before the first pakistanis arrived from Iran or China or Europe. it would have under control there too.

Closing the borders was the way to go. If other countries had done that earlier things would be a lot better there too.

The NZ government went hard and early, we were in complete lockdown after 100 cases across the country.

 

[Rana]

Somehow we've become the villains for trying to keep COVID out of our country and Pakistan are doing us a favor by touring.

Are people really acting like NZ wouldn't be able to call up another team to tour if Pakistan returned home because the NZ government told them off for breaking protocol. It's so childish and immature, like a baby throwing a tantrum.

Doesn't matter who it is, follow protocol or go home.

NZ and their merry public of 4m lol

“The threat of a plain ticket back home”.

How would the British public react to this comment had it been made by Matt Hancock?

 

[hur rizvi]

Somehow we've become the villains for trying to keep COVID out of our country and Pakistan are doing us a favor by touring.

Are people really acting like NZ wouldn't be able to call up another team to tour if Pakistan returned home because the NZ government told them off for breaking protocol. It's so childish and immature, like a baby throwing a tantrum.

Doesn't matter who it is, follow protocol or go home.

40/44 people voted that Pakistan players should abide by rules and get on with the tour if NZ govt allows

Honestly with lives of people at stake I honestly think NZ should send us home. 6/35 (17%) players are infected and god knows how many else are carrying virus now. NZ Govt should either postpone or cancel this series

 

[Aman]

NZ and their merry public of 4m lol

“The threat of a plain ticket back home”.

How would the British public react to this comment had it been made by Matt Hancock?

The public wanted a local to be put in jail for break managed isolation. We take it seriously here, we enjoy the freedom we have here and do not want to return into lockdown.

Majority of kiwis from what I've seen back whatever the government is doing, it's because of their go hard and go early response we were able to beat COVID multiple times.

 

[hur rizvi]

NZ and their merry public of 4m lol

“The threat of a plain ticket back home”.

How would the British public react to this comment had it been made by Matt Hancock?

In my understanding NZ did communicate privately but some Mahan insan leaked Wasim khan's message to the media

 

[Aman]

It's possible to have a nuanced discussion about this, instead of making it black and white.

Yes Pakistan shouldn't have broken the quarantine protocol and should have been reprimanded.

But which "special dispensation" are you talking about? This wording and similar wording suggests Pakistan were begging NZ to play NZ in NZ. Pakistan are not entering NZ like they are immigrants or tourists. They are representing Pakistan as a country. NZ could have just cancelled the tour.

And yes, it's outrageous that Pakistan was reprimanded publicly. Because no way the same thing would have happened with England, India or Australia had they broken the quarantine protocol.

Special exemption to come into the country and play cricket.

Otherwise the borders are completely closed off to travelers.

 

[Rana]

The public wanted a local to be put in jail for break managed isolation. We take it seriously here, we enjoy the freedom we have here and do not want to return into lockdown.

Your avoiding my question. England takes it seriously as well, we have been in mental strain/lockdown since March also.

If Matt Hancock made a comment in the tone the way the NZ health minister has been running his mouth about deporting a touring side like this, how would the British Public react to it?

 

[Aman]

Your avoiding my question. England takes it seriously as well, we have been in mental strain/lockdown since March also.

If Matt Hancock made a comment in the tone the way the NZ health minister has been running his mouth about deporting a touring side like this, how would the British Public react to it?

You've entered the country and are disregarding the protocols you promised to adhere to and are risking lives of NZders in the process.

You reap what you sow. If Pakistani players followed the protocols set in place, this wouldn't be an issue.

Our borders are closed off and Pakistan were granted an exemption to come to NZ and be able to walk around here, all that was asked was for them to go into managed isolation and follow porotcol.

Other teams have been able to do it, India I believe did the same for Australia without any issues.

 

[Rana]

You've entered the country and are disregarding the protocols you promised to adhere to and are risking lives of NZders in the process.

You reap what you sow. If Pakistani players followed the protocols set in place, this wouldn't be an issue.

Lol you reap what you sow? So it is ok to make threats that clearly have a deeply insulting/degrading and pretty much racist undertones. There is no way to avoid the larger issue at hand that is caused by such comments

Once again I ask you to tell me how would the British public react to this comment had it been made by Matt Hancock in August when Pakistan were in England? Answer it if you want

 

[Aman]

Lol you reap what you sow? So it is ok to make threats that clearly have a deeply insulting/degrading and pretty much racist undertones. There is no way to avoid the larger issue at hand that is caused by such comments

Once again I ask you to tell me how would the British public react to this comment had it been made by Matt Hancock in August when Pakistan were in England? Answer it if you want

Are you offended by the comments of being kicked out of the country?

This would happen to anyone who did not follow protocol and is risking the safety of the public. What makes Pakistan special where they're above the rules that have been outlined to all?

Why should we risk opening the bubble up to people who do not follow guidelines and risk introducing the virus back into the community?

 

[Hasan123]

Somehow we've become the villains for trying to keep COVID out of our country and Pakistan are doing us a favor by touring.

Are people really acting like NZ wouldn't be able to call up another team to tour if Pakistan returned home because the NZ government told them off for breaking protocol. It's so childish and immature, like a baby throwing a tantrum.

Doesn't matter who it is, follow protocol or go home.

I agree with you.

Clearly a player or management has not followed protocol and hence Pakistan have these cases.

We need to accept we are in the wrong, apologise,and ensure for this tour and future tours that the players are strictly following protocol and guidelines for whatever country they are touring.

 

[Rana]

Are you offended by the comments of being kicked out of the country?

This would happen to anyone who did not follow protocol and is risking the safety of the public. What makes Pakistan special where they're above the rules that have been outlined to all?

Why should we risk opening the bubble up to people who do not follow guidelines and risk introducing the virus back into the community?

So you are clearly avoiding the question knowing how bad it reflects NZ as a whole.

That’s fine, this isn’t the only avoiding the NZ public has learned from a government that claims to have ‘eradicated’ the virus without even engaging with it head on like the rest of the poor world has.

I like you as a cricket poster but it’s better that we part ways on this debate as you clearly do not understand my perspective on the matter or choosing not to out of your respective nationalism.

 

[Aman]

So you are clearly avoiding the question knowing how bad it reflects NZ as a whole.

That’s fine, this isn’t the only avoiding the NZ public has learned from a government that claims to have ‘eradicated’ the virus without even engaging with it head on like the rest of the poor world has.

I like you as a cricket poster but it’s better that we part ways on this debate as you clearly do not understand my perspective on the matter or choosing not to out of your respective nationalism.

How so?

Our government has been public with everything regarding COVID and have put on blast anyone who was jeopardizing the response. Nothing is swept under the rug.

This might not happen in other countries, but we're a small country which is pretty irrelevant in global politics and hence are pretty blunt/straightforward when it comes to things. If a person is being an idiot, they'll be called out as one. Doesn't matter who it is.

 

[ahsan17]

Special exemption to come into the country and play cricket.

Otherwise the borders are completely closed off to travelers.

That's NZ's own prerogative. Don't act like NZ is doing Pakistan a favour by letting them play in NZ. Again, you and some other people seem to be implying that this is an immigrant group or tourist group given entry to NZ. It is more akin to a diplomat being allowed entry, although it's not completely the same. There are no favours being done by NZ to let Pakistan play in NZ.

 

[Aman]

Wait what?

"claims to have ‘eradicated’ the virus without even engaging with it head on like the rest of the poor world has."

Are you trolling? )

1) We have eradicated the virus, the only cases we have left are in managed isolation. We have 7 cases total as of yesterday, 6 of them are from the Pakistan cricket team.

2) We never felt the brunt of it because our leaders were wise enough to close our borders before it got completely out of hand and crippled our health care infrastructure. Had other countries done the same, the virus wouldn't be as prevalent as it is.

 

[Aman]

That's NZ's own prerogative. Don't act like NZ is doing Pakistan a favour by letting them play in NZ. Again, you and some other people seem to be implying that this is an immigrant group or tourist group given entry to NZ. It is more akin to a diplomat being allowed entry, although it's not completely the same. There are no favours being done by NZ to let Pakistan play in NZ.

Whether you play or not means nothing to the NZ public, there are some who want the book to be thrown at the team if they don't follow protocols.

It will hurt NZC's coffers but they will able to find a replacement so there are games in December/January if Pakistan want to go back home.

 

[Rana]

Wait what?

"claims to have ‘eradicated’ the virus without even engaging with it head on like the rest of the poor world has."

Are you trolling? )

1) We have eradicated the virus, the only cases we have left are in managed isolation. We have 7 cases total as of yesterday, 6 of them are from the Pakistan cricket team.

2) We never felt the brunt of it because our leaders were wise enough to close our borders before it got completely out of hand and crippled our health care infrastructure. Had other countries done the same, the virus wouldn't be as prevalent as it is.

Alright, you have eradicated the virus...now open your borders like they were open pre covid and let things resume in New Zealand as if Covid is non-existent, as the virus has been eradicated by the Arden government.

Are there any issues with this?