What sort of government setup will be ideal for Pakistan after the General Elections 2024?

What sort of government setup will be ideal for Pakistan after the General Elections 2024?


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Pakistan initiated the vote counting process following the conclusion of polling on Thursday in a general election marked by militant attacks and the suspension of mobile phone services. Authorities reported at least nine casualties nationwide. The election took place amidst the South Asian country's efforts to overcome an economic crisis and address escalating militant violence in a highly divided political landscape.
 
Plan seems to be N will have 120+ seats and they will combine 3/4 leech parties to get power, Independents have huge role to play they must not break up to ease the task of corrupt mafia , what if PTI inspired 45/50 Independents win and stay connected
 
One party having full majority creates too much of a dictatorial setup
 
A coalition government is just a mess. I would rather prefer a strong government with a majority so they cant be blackmailed and would be able to make their own decisions without any external pressure.
 
PTI sweeping it by the looks of it. Last count, all by lota channels like HUM news and Express news, PTI is at 136 seats, PMLN at 45.

And suddenly they are delaying results due to a 'systems breakdown'.
 
One party having full majority creates too much of a dictatorial setup
While I see your point, a hung parliament also empowers the military to interfere and get what they want.

Ideally we want one party to win majority so at least they can complete their term and introduce some much needed reforms.

That won’t happen as long as the boots are around to mess around with the democratic setup. It’s a double edged sword, I know. But it’s one needed for the restoration of proper democracy. If one party abuses it and doesn’t do the job, hopefully after five years people vote them out and go for the next option. If this doesn’t happen, we will continue to be stuck in this horrifying rut forever
 
PTI sweeping it by the looks of it. Last count, all by lota channels like HUM news and Express news, PTI is at 136 seats, PMLN at 45.

And suddenly they are delaying results due to a 'systems breakdown'.
178 is the target for 2/3 majority I believe
 
a simple majority is needed to pass bill or lese its useless
 
2/3 majority seems impossible for any party may it be PTI or PML N. There will be plus minus type government formed.
 
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The two parties are PMLN and PPP and with the Pti independents defeating PMLN, PPP may be leading (partywise)

The independents will have to join a party to form a govt. Now the PM will be someone from the independants or from PPP

Alot of posters are ill informed, Imran was not contesting on any seat so he wont be the PM. But he could be made president if they manipulate the senate elections in 2 years time, but that is a maybe as it depends if he would be allowed to be made senator after being convicted on soo many cases
 
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The two parties are PMLN and PPP and with the Pti independents defeating PMLN, PPP may be leading (partywise)

The independents will have to join a party to form a govt. Now the PM will be someone from the independants or from PPP

Alot of posters are ill informed, Imran was not contesting on any seat so he wont be the PM. But he could be made president if they manipulate the senate elections in 2 years time, but that is a maybe as it depends if he would be allowed to be made senator after being convicted on soo many cases
awaam knew what they wanted
 
I believe PML-N, PTI, and PPP should form an inclusive government and provide the Establishment with a safe exit for the sake of Pakistan's future.
 
I believe PML-N, PTI, and PPP should form an inclusive government and provide the Establishment with a safe exit for the sake of Pakistan's future.
They can but they never will. A single party government as Nawaz Sharif said on the polling day looks impossible now.
 
I personally want PTI-IND to stay independent and form part of opposition. I really want Imran to distance himself and PTI from PMLN / PPP nexus. The moment Imran indulges in talks with them his popularity graph is going to have a steep fall.

I'm surprised at PPP willing to share the table with PMLN. Bilawal had to do a lot of work and countless rallies in the run up to elections to distance himself from the 16-month PDM let Govt. Now Bilawal is going to concede a massive own goal by distancing from his own said words and join PMLN in forming Govt. again. The PPP voters will be severely disappointed whilst the future of Bilawal's politics will shift from public based popular vote to power share corridors. As long as he was reliant on genuine votes he had respect associated with him now that he has become reliant on power corridors he would not enjoy public support going forward. Akin to what happened with Nawaz Sharif when he had "votes ko izzat do" the public was with him but now he went to power corridors he has not public support with him.
 
This election PTI has shown that it doesn't need electables and can win via the power of its name alone. If Imran Khan uses this power that the public has handed him, he can bring younger politicians to PTI who actually care about the country and put them in positions of influence. Something like this kills off PMLN and PPP, leaving only the establishment to deal with. Getting rid of the establishment's influence requires getting rid of these two dynasties first.

That is the ideal setup in my opinion.
 
A coalition government looks like the only possibility at the moment and I am afraid that the upcoming government would not be able to complete its five years term.
 
No final decision on PTI’s offer for coalition in KP: JI spokesperson

Jamaat-i-Islami (JI) Central Information Secretary Qaisar Sharif has told Geo News that the PTI’s proposal for a coalition government in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa arose in an Islamabad meeting today, adding that the JI did not give a final answer on the matter as of yet.

He said the JI would hold consultations and then give a reply to the PTI.

Sharif said the two parties were in talks soon after the elections and the JI had given an unconditional positive response to the PTI of “providing protection” to independent candidates.

Source: Dawn News
 
Some very reliable sources are claiming that PMLN is nominating Ahsan Iqbal for PM position. It seems like they reckon the upcoming government will only last for a few weeks/months.
 
Bilawal trying to save ‘hereditary politics’ through corruption and power sharing: PTI
The PTI has said PPP Chairman Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari is trying to save his party’s hereditary politics by “corruption and power-sharing”.

In a fiery response to Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) Chairman Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari's press conference, where he announced support for the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N)'s prime ministerial candidate while refraining from participating in the government at the Centre, the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf (PTI) has unleashed a barrage of criticisms.

According to a statement issued by a spokesperson for PTI on Tuesday, Bilawal's move is merely a ploy to deceive the public after being rejected in the elections. The spokesperson accused the remnants of the Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) of orchestrating a new drama, describing their actions as an attempt to mislead the people.

"If Bilawal Bhutto-Zardari's thinking were truly democratic, he would have recognised the available public mandate to PTI instead of siding with the pirates of Jati Umrah, the Sharif family," the PTI spokesperson declared, adding that the PPP has a dark history regarding the recognition of public mandates.

The spokesperson further criticized Bilawal's attempt to keep his family's political legacy alive through alleged corruption and power-sharing influenced by Zardari's cues. Drawing on historical events, the PTI spokesperson asserted that PPP's facilitation had once led to the secession of Pakistan’s eastern wing, now known as Bangladesh, due to open contempt for public mandate.

"Today, Zardari's son is trying to keep his family and hereditary politics alive through blatant corruption and power-sharing on Zardari's cues," the spokesperson remarked.

The PTI spokesperson emphasised that Bilawal's distancing from the PML-N after the distribution of constitutional, government, and parliamentary positions would not sway public opinion. The spokesperson vowed to destroy what they termed as "disgusting plans" aimed at securing the future of current and future generations by holding them hostage.

Highlighting the ideological differences, the spokesperson underscored that PTI, founded by Imran Khan, sees the PPP and the PML-N as two sides of the same coin, responsible for economic challenges and inflation in the country.

"Imran Khan is making unprecedented sacrifices to change the rotten system of which both of them are beneficiaries and want to strengthen and sustain it," the PTI spokesperson asserted.

The spokesperson concluded by reiterating PTI's commitment to thwarting any conspiracies or behind-the-scenes machinations, promising to make the country and its people safe from what they perceive as the harmful influence of PPP and PML-N.

He confidently stated that whether it be government formation or opposition responsibilities, PTI holds the majority mandate and will ensure the country's safety from the alleged schemes of its rivals.
In response to Bilawal’s press conference, the PTI said that if Bilawal’s approach was democratic he would have recognised the public mandate instead of holding meetings with PML-N leaders at Jati Umra.

“After the awareness given by Imran Khan, the nation knows that the PPP and the PML-N are two sides of the same coin, responsible for drowning the people in the mire of inflation and destroying the country’s economy,” the party said in a statement on X.

Source: DAWN & The Express Tribune
 
Some very reliable sources are claiming that PMLN is nominating Ahsan Iqbal for PM position. It seems like they reckon the upcoming government will only last for a few weeks/months.
Still would be interesting to see that getting insulted
 
Former prime minister and leader of PML-N Shehbaz Sharif said on Tuesday that independent candidates backed by jailed former prime minister Imran Khan were welcome to form a government if they can prove their majority in parliament.

“We will gladly take up the role of Opposition,” Shehbaz said while addressing the media at the PML-N’s secretariat in Model Town, Lahore.

If Imran-backed independent candidates cannot show a majority, other parties will go ahead and form a government, the ex-premier said. He said the PML-N was in talks with other groups to form a coalition.

The president of the PML-N questioned the logic behind creating a commotion and forming opinions on winning “when only 10 to 12 percent of the results were available on election night”. He highlighted the irrationality of such actions and questioned “Why did Khawaja Saad lose if there was rigging in the election?”

He pointed out the defeat of his party’s senior politicians in Gujranwala, Sheikhupura, Faisalabad, and Abbottabad, emphasising the “absurdity” of rigging allegations and the continuous losses of senior politicians.

Shehbaz recalled the 2018 elections when the RTS system stopped working. He noted that results for urban areas were delayed by at least 66 hours, while results for rural areas were immediate. He highlighted that instead of resorting to street protests, the PML-N chose to sit in parliament and protest peacefully.

Regarding the allegations against the Election Commission, level-playing field, and rigging, the ex-PM stated that in 2013, accusations of 35 seats were made. It was later clarified that no such incident occurred. He highlighted their focus was on serving the nation within the constitutional framework, “rejecting the narratives of setting parliament on fire or engaging in civil disobedience.”

Discussing major events during Imran’s government, Shehbaz touched upon the denial of discussing Kashmir Day, the Indian Air Force attack, and the handling of the Covid situation.

He expressed how the PML-N endured these challenges with tolerance, and avoided confrontation and provocation. Criticizing the PTI founder’s actions, the PML-N president mentioned the extreme measures taken to avoid contact with the Opposition.

"For four years, the prime minister entered parliament through the back door so that he wouldn't have to shake hands with the opposition; it was extreme fascism," Shehbaz said.

Referring to the united opposition's decision on a vote of no confidence in 2022, the former premier highlighted the unconstitutional actions taken by the president and others. Terming President Alvi's dissolution of the National Assembly as “a terrible past”, Shehbaz said, “We must unite to handle all of this”.

Source: The Express Tribune
 
Former prime minister and leader of PML-N Shehbaz Sharif said on Tuesday that independent candidates backed by jailed former prime minister Imran Khan were welcome to form a government if they can prove their majority in parliament.

“We will gladly take up the role of Opposition,” Shehbaz said while addressing the media at the PML-N’s secretariat in Model Town, Lahore.

If Imran-backed independent candidates cannot show a majority, other parties will go ahead and form a government, the ex-premier said. He said the PML-N was in talks with other groups to form a coalition.

The president of the PML-N questioned the logic behind creating a commotion and forming opinions on winning “when only 10 to 12 percent of the results were available on election night”. He highlighted the irrationality of such actions and questioned “Why did Khawaja Saad lose if there was rigging in the election?”

He pointed out the defeat of his party’s senior politicians in Gujranwala, Sheikhupura, Faisalabad, and Abbottabad, emphasising the “absurdity” of rigging allegations and the continuous losses of senior politicians.

Shehbaz recalled the 2018 elections when the RTS system stopped working. He noted that results for urban areas were delayed by at least 66 hours, while results for rural areas were immediate. He highlighted that instead of resorting to street protests, the PML-N chose to sit in parliament and protest peacefully.

Regarding the allegations against the Election Commission, level-playing field, and rigging, the ex-PM stated that in 2013, accusations of 35 seats were made. It was later clarified that no such incident occurred. He highlighted their focus was on serving the nation within the constitutional framework, “rejecting the narratives of setting parliament on fire or engaging in civil disobedience.”

Discussing major events during Imran’s government, Shehbaz touched upon the denial of discussing Kashmir Day, the Indian Air Force attack, and the handling of the Covid situation.

He expressed how the PML-N endured these challenges with tolerance, and avoided confrontation and provocation. Criticizing the PTI founder’s actions, the PML-N president mentioned the extreme measures taken to avoid contact with the Opposition.

"For four years, the prime minister entered parliament through the back door so that he wouldn't have to shake hands with the opposition; it was extreme fascism," Shehbaz said.

Referring to the united opposition's decision on a vote of no confidence in 2022, the former premier highlighted the unconstitutional actions taken by the president and others. Terming President Alvi's dissolution of the National Assembly as “a terrible past”, Shehbaz said, “We must unite to handle all of this”.

Source: The Express Tribune
Isnt 2/3rd enough. How long do you need to forge your form 45s.
 
good msg by shebaz.

If you have a majority than make the govt
 
Amid all the chaos PTI has played well, the incoming government will be stage of thrones with cruel conditions from IMF and feet being tied by Est, knowing PTI cannot make govt due to lack of numbers IK got upper hand by dismissing the corrupt gang of N, PPP and MQM.

PPP also played its card well by first putting pressure on PML N to bow down for Bilawal in a hope of leverage from PTI IND, know when they saw the only way is coalition with N league and already the burden of PDM is back breaking therefore Bilawal himself stand down from PM race, and the rumours are to believed PPP will not take any ministry in govt. Meaning all the baggage will be on N league and PPP can slip the rug anytime from them via flipping.

N League will not benefit anything from this hogtied govt with Est calling all the shots and sword of IMF looming all the time.
All in all the script completely destroyed by coward burgers of PTI as per some posters.
 
PDM leaders renew coalition, decide to form unity govt

Renewing Pakistan Democratic Movement (PDM) coalition in a bid to form government, Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) Co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari on Tuesday said that he and other political leaders have decided to form the government together, inviting Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) to also become part of reconciliation process.

“We have chosen to unite and form a government to steer Pakistan out of crisis. Regardless of the challenges Pakistan is grappling with—be it economic, terrorism, or reconciliation—PTI is also part of this reconciliation effort. We welcome them to join us in this process, and all political forces are invited to engage in discussions about reconciliation,” he said addressing the media after a multi-party gathering at PML-Q chief Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain’s residence in Islamabad.

MQM-P’s Khalid Maqbool Siddiqui, IPP’s Aleem Khan, Chairman Senate Sadiq Sanjrani and PML-N’s Shehbaz Sharif were also present on this occasion.



 
PML-N may form the govt but they are the only losers out of the big 3 parties in this situation. They have traded short term power for long term destruction. PPP have played it smart (as ever) and PTI will, deep down, not mind staying in opposition for the next year or two, which will be an economically and socially turbulent time. Having said that, democracy has, yet again, been completely crushed.
 
PML-N may form the govt but they are the only losers out of the big 3 parties in this situation. They have traded short term power for long term destruction. PPP have played it smart (as ever) and PTI will, deep down, not mind staying in opposition for the next year or two, which will be an economically and socially turbulent time. Having said that, democracy has, yet again, been completely crushed.
Whoever forms the government knows they will be sitting on a time bomb. That is the reason why PPP played a smart move by not taking on any administrative role and trying to stay away. They know this government will hardly complete 6 months.
 
. They have traded short term power for long term destruction.
The only short term power that has provided long term destruction is from PTI I’m afraid. The country is seriously divided.
 
The only short term power that has provided long term destruction is from PTI I’m afraid. The country is seriously divided.
I think other parties are playing a sensible role at the moment. We need to think about our country, not about rivalries. We need a collaborative effort to bring the country out of the economic crisis. I don't think PTI alone is capable of facing the challenge of economic crisis and terrorism."
 
I think other parties are playing a sensible role at the moment. We need to think about our country, not about rivalries. We need a collaborative effort to bring the country out of the economic crisis. I don't think PTI alone is capable of facing the challenge of economic crisis and terrorism."
PTI isn’t capable of working in cohesion with others. They will just continue to cause more division.
 
PTI isn’t capable of working in cohesion with others. They will just continue to cause more division.
If this division means, dividing good people from corrupt people who cursed each other before the election and now joined hands once again to loot, I will take it.
 
If this division means, dividing good people from corrupt people who cursed each other before the election and now joined hands once again to loot, I will take it.
I mean you have such brilliant people like Ali Amin Gendapur who is a clear misogynist, and the guy who supports beheading of people that turn away from Islam, also the one who has lead attacks on minorio Muslim places.

Aur kya kya chupa rakha hai tai’khane main? Any more saints that have been selected by Kaptaan Imran Khan?
 
I mean you have such brilliant people like Ali Amin Gendapur who is a clear misogynist, and the guy who supports beheading of people that turn away from Islam, also the one who has lead attacks on minorio Muslim places.

Aur kya kya chupa rakha hai tai’khane main? Any more saints that have been selected by Kaptaan Imran Khan?
If you want to go that way then what would like to say about Model town incident, Helicopter incident?
 
If you want to go that way then what would like to say about Model town incident, Helicopter incident?
Tbh I don’t know about those incidents, I have to google them. But it isn’t my (anti PTI) claim that the PMLN and PPP are saints. I’m simply refuting your argument that the divisive politics on the behest of Khan is acceptable if he can sift out the good from the bad. Whereas, it is definitely an incorrect argument when you have such people of questionable character and views representing PTI. I’ve always felt that for the PTI supporters, the guy is a saint as long as he is one of them. That’s all that matters to them.
 
Tbh I don’t know about those incidents, I have to google them. But it isn’t my (anti PTI) claim that the PMLN and PPP are saints. I’m simply refuting your argument that the divisive politics on the behest of Khan is acceptable if he can sift out the good from the bad. Whereas, it is definitely an incorrect argument when you have such people of questionable character and views representing PTI. I’ve always felt that for the PTI supporters, the guy is a saint as long as he is one of them. That’s all that matters to them.
Every party has such people, I just gave you 2 incidents as an example. I guess you are not living in Pakistan so you are unaware of these incidents.
 
PTI isn’t capable of working in cohesion with others. They will just continue to cause more division.

PDM working in cohesion! The mess they made in one year of their contraversial coalition has put pakistan back to unparallel levels.

Let's see what the Pandora box has to offer this time. I see complete disaster in six months .
 
PDM working in cohesion! The mess they made in one year of their contraversial coalition has put pakistan back to unparallel levels.

Let's see what the Pandora box has to offer this time. I see complete disaster in six months .
They mess they made? Or the mess they were left to clean up?
 
Chief Justice of Pakistan (CJP) Qazi Faez Isa has sought assurance from the attorney general that the army would only work on defence-related matters and not run any business.

The assurance was sought from CJP Isa during a hearing of a petition filed against commercial activity being done on military land.

During the hearing, CJP Isa remarked that the army was conducting business and had set up marriage halls on military lands. He then sought assurance from the attorney general that the army would remain the “protector” and not do any business.

“Can you get this assurance?” CJP Isa asked the attorney general. He also added that everyone should work as per their mandate.

“The army should do its own work and courts will do their job,” said CJP Isa.

In response, AGP Mansoor Usman Awan stated that as per principle, everyone should do their job.

However, CJP Isa insisted that if the AGP had the directives then he should give the assurance to the court.

On this point lawyer for the Evacuee Trust Property Board (ETPB) intervened and told the court that the building from which the dispute started belonged to his client. He added that the allottees sold the land based on fake documents and now a five-story building sits there.

At this, Justice Muhammad Ali Mazhar remarked that the ETPB was a bystander when the five-story building was being constructed.

However, CJP Isa observed that it would not have been possible without the involvement of the Sindh Building Control Authority (SBCA). He then further remarked that the assets of officers above the rank of inspector at the SBCA should be checked.

“The Karachi sub registry’s assets should also be audited by the FBR. The residents of demolished buildings should receive money from all assets beyond means,” said the CJP. He also added that the Sindh government would never do an inquiry on this.

On this point, the director general of the SCBA appeared in court and the CJP inquired how many inspectors and officers were part of the department.

The DG informed the court that currently there are 1,400 employees with the SCBA out of which 600 are building inspectors and 300 are senior inspectors.

Source: Geo News

 
I think now everyone is not hesitant to mention the establishment because it has been exposed. I believe the new government should provide them with a safe exit.
 
After the hung govt. of N and PPP back in 2008 which resulted in Governor Rule and then the disastrous coalition in PDM now N and PPP are making a swinger govt where on the floor (Parliament) PPP will be with N but out of floor ( outside Assembly) they will have different motives
 
PTI’s Ali Muhammad Khan hints at striking agreement with JI in KP

PTI leader Ali Muhammad Khan has hinted at coming to terms with the Jamaat-i-Islami (JI) in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa despite an earlier “misunderstanding”.

Speaking on a Geo News programme today, he said: “Maybe we decide something with them in KP. There might have been a misunderstanding with them earlier.”

The PTI-backed independent candidate who won his National Assembly seat from Swat in the 2024 general elections expressed that he appreciated JI’s role in the past.

He also commended JI leader Hafiz Naeem for setting an example by forgoing his seat on accounts of rigging.

“I respect them with all my heart. After PTI I respect them the most because they have internal democracy within their party,” Khan added.

Source: Dawn News
 
PMLN will form a govt with the help of PPP and other small parties and all the blame for bad situation of the country will be for PMLN to bear while the PPP walks away with easy posts of President and CHairman senate,
 
We seem to have returned to 2008, I guess. The cycle will never stop rolling until the military steps back from the politics and economy of our country. Progress is being made slowly and steadily, but there is still a long road ahead.

Even if IK comes out of jail and joins the government, he will fail miserably, as he will have to sit beside these incompetent military leaders for all types of major decisions.

Due to our geography and geopolitical situation around our borders, it is nearly impossible for a political government to run and govern this country without the involvement of the military, as they have extended their influence into all of our neighboring countries.

The best approach is to initiate reforms from within, as IK was attempting during his government. He tried to bring top businesspeople on board and make tough decisions by regulating tax collection. However, since these businesspeople have strong links with the military top brass, they complained about IK, resulting in sabotaging the entire tax collection process. Without collecting sufficient revenue, we cannot become a sovereign country. While borrowing money from the Arab world and IMF/World Bank may solve the problem in the short term, increasing our revenue is crucial for long-term stability.
 
We seem to have returned to 2008, I guess. The cycle will never stop rolling until the military steps back from the politics and economy of our country. Progress is being made slowly and steadily, but there is still a long road ahead.
very very long road ahead
Even if IK comes out of jail and joins the government, he will fail miserably, as he will have to sit beside these incompetent military leaders for all types of major decisions.
the establishmnet is very competent.... in caring for themselves.
Due to our geography and geopolitical situation around our borders, it is nearly impossible for a political government to run and govern this country without the involvement of the military, as they have extended their influence into all of our neighboring countries.
huh? wasn't Pakistan location supposed be its asset, isn't it how Jinnah positioned Pakistan while appealing to Truman for aid?

The geopoltical situation that you are talking about was prciepitated by pakistan's actions. not the other way around.
The best approach is to initiate reforms from within, as IK was attempting during his government. He tried to bring top businesspeople on board and make tough decisions by regulating tax collection. However, since these businesspeople have strong links with the military top brass, they complained about IK, resulting in sabotaging the entire tax collection process. Without collecting sufficient revenue, we cannot become a sovereign country. While borrowing money from the Arab world and IMF/World Bank may solve the problem in the short term, increasing our revenue is crucial for long-term stability.
Oh please, he discarded a good Finance minister candidate becos he was pandering to the mullahs.

if he coutdn't even collect taxes becos of establishment, what made him think he can them on and win? doens;t sound likea very smart man.
 
Pakistan’s search for a stable government

The upcoming government will hardly be in an enviable position when it comes to tackling economic backsliding and fragile security situation

Pakistan appears set for a new coalition government to be led by former premier Shehbaz Sharif, whose PML-N party has emerged as the single largest entity in the National Assembly and will be backed by the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) and a motley bunch of smaller parties that have usually been corralled by the military establishment to support candidates of its choice. That the PML-N isn’t in a strong position is obvious from three-time former premier Nawaz Sharif’s decision to withdraw from the race in favour of his younger brother. Though senior PPP leader Asif Ali Zardari may be headed for a second stint as president, his party has astutely decided not to take any ministerial positions, while supporting the coalition to help Pakistan cope with its challenges.

Pakistan's former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and leader of the Pakistan Muslim League (PML) party, along with his younger brother and former prime minister Shehbaz Sharif and his daughter Maryam Nawaz speaks with supporters in Lahore.

Source : The Hindustan Times
 
Pakistan’s search for a stable government

The upcoming government will hardly be in an enviable position when it comes to tackling economic backsliding and fragile security situation

Pakistan appears set for a new coalition government to be led by former premier Shehbaz Sharif, whose PML-N party has emerged as the single largest entity in the National Assembly and will be backed by the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) and a motley bunch of smaller parties that have usually been corralled by the military establishment to support candidates of its choice. That the PML-N isn’t in a strong position is obvious from three-time former premier Nawaz Sharif’s decision to withdraw from the race in favour of his younger brother. Though senior PPP leader Asif Ali Zardari may be headed for a second stint as president, his party has astutely decided not to take any ministerial positions, while supporting the coalition to help Pakistan cope with its challenges.

Pakistan's former Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and leader of the Pakistan Muslim League (PML) party, along with his younger brother and former prime minister Shehbaz Sharif and his daughter Maryam Nawaz speaks with supporters in Lahore.

Source : The Hindustan Times
I dont see any stable government forming in Pakistan.
 
The hung parliament or constant establishment intervention won’t work and it has never worked. Pakistan needs stable strong majority governments for the next 15 years straight federally and in all provinces to crawl out of a deep hole or its curtains.
 
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The hung parliament or constant establishment intervention won’t work and it has never worked. Pakistan needs stable strong majority governments for the next 15 years straight federally and in all provinces to crawl out of a deep hole or its curtains.
Establishment is in the roots of this country and it can never be shaken off from the politics of Pakistan. This is a harsh reality that Pakistan has to live with.
 
Establishment is in the roots of this country and it can never be shaken off from the politics of Pakistan. This is a harsh reality that Pakistan has to live with.
The line has to be drawn that should not be crossed. Establishment people are not trained to run economy, foreign affairs, health etc.

Khan has been very successful to expose Establishment and to lighten its grip.
 
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The line has to be drawn that should not be crossed. Establishment people are not trained to run economy, foreign affairs, health etc.

Khan has been very successful to expose Establishment and to lighten its grip.
Still a long way to go for this country to progress.
 
As initial excitement for forming a coalition government recedes, a serious realization of the credibility of the very elections that the PML-N is a beneficiary of has started to dawn upon the party, especially after the reaction of its former ally, Maulana Fazlur Rehman led JUI-F.

Talking to The Express Tribune, a second-generation PML-N leader said almost all parties have raised questions about the credibility of the elections, which means the election process has zero legitimacy.

“How can any government formed as a consequence of such a visibly tainted exercise survive? [PML-N President] Shehbaz Sharif completed his term as the prime minister earlier, but this time around things are different,” he said.

Talking with reference to the seats that the party lost, he questioned whether the party’s loss in the elections was organic or someone deliberately engineered a hung parliament to steal their mandate.

"We couldn't take a definitive position on this now, particularly after the party decided to pursue forming a government." He said the party needed to introspect if it even wanted to form a government.

He said as the dust of the elections settles, the fate of the incoming government will be more visible, but as of now, it appeared that the PML-N will not be able to complete its term.

The PML-N is the only party that came out in support of the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) and accepted the election outcome, while all the while raising questions of its own about the elections process in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (K-P), where the PTI won a landslide victory.

When asked if the party will reconsider its position on the polls at some stage, the leader said if the JUI-F chief continued his charge against these elections, then the PML-N will also have to modify its position.

Maulana Fazlur Rehman on Wednesday rejected the Feb 8 election results while announcing a country-wide protest movement against alleged rigging.

When asked if Nawaz Sharif's decision not to become prime minister for the fourth time was solely motivated by the election outcomes, he said there were various external factors taken into account before making such a decision.
He accepted that Nawaz's decision disappointed many within the party for different reasons.

As far as the public reaction was concerned, the PML-N’s entire election campaign was based on Nawaz becoming the premier, so when he decided to nominate Shehbaz for the position, people felt betrayed and sad, he said.

When asked if people within the PML-N felt there were internal factors or a conspiracy against Nawaz Sharif that influenced his decision, he gave a cryptic reply, stating that "they have indeed betrayed Nawaz Sharif."

Another senior PML-N leader said things were not as hunky-dory as they seemed. He, however, refused any further comments.

Express Tribune

 
I see the majority of folks have voted for an all out majority for one party. I understand coalitions are seen as indecisive and worthless in general but I'm not sure everyone understand the full picture. I haven't actually read the book but I've listened to a bunch of Podcasts and discussions by Irfan Nooruddin who's written a book of the politics of coalitions and I think he makes a very strong case that most reform...especially major reform has happened under coalition governments worldwide.

The messy adjustments needed in coalitions in a democracy force interested parties to reach consensus especially in a crisis. Contrary to what we intuitively think a single party in majority tends to find it more difficult to drive such change since they tend to face much stronger opposition.

Something to think about for the "no compromise" gang.
 
The meeting of coordination committee of the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) and the Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) has been postponed.

Sources said the meeting was meant to finalise the formation of the government but it was called off.

Sources said the meeting would again be held on Saturday (tomorrow) for the final round to form a coalition government.

Dunya News
 
Parties involved in ‘regime change’ to have no role in govt formation: PTI

PTI lawyer Mashal Yousafzai has said that party founder Imran Khan has given clear directions that talks with other political parties will only be regarding alleged electoral rigging and participation in protests.

“Apart from this, any party that was part of the regime change and compromised on the sovereignty of Pakistan will have no say or alliance to form the government. Our politics and struggle is not for power but for true freedom and people,” she said while relaying Imran’s message.

Source: Dawn News
 
I see the majority of folks have voted for an all out majority for one party. I understand coalitions are seen as indecisive and worthless in general but I'm not sure everyone understand the full picture. I haven't actually read the book but I've listened to a bunch of Podcasts and discussions by Irfan Nooruddin who's written a book of the politics of coalitions and I think he makes a very strong case that most reform...especially major reform has happened under coalition governments worldwide.

The messy adjustments needed in coalitions in a democracy force interested parties to reach consensus especially in a crisis. Contrary to what we intuitively think a single party in majority tends to find it more difficult to drive such change since they tend to face much stronger opposition.

Something to think about for the "no compromise" gang.
You need to give context. These coalitions are mostly in countries with mature democracies, not coalition with criminals that have stolen the mandate of the people.
 
Coalitions can be formed with parties having legitimate mandate, here the case is different mandate of one party is stolen and distributed between the other parties so that the incoming govt will be compromised
 
You need to give context. These coalitions are mostly in countries with mature democracies, not coalition with criminals that have stolen the mandate of the people.
On the contrary, he's given specific examples in such cases. One which seemed to me to be very close to Pakistan's situation today was Brazil in the late 80s, early 90s as it was coming out of a military dictatorship which still maintained a strong influence on the politicians and parties (feels similar?). To make things worse, they were in the grip of severe hyperinflation. Even with the instability - impeachments, violence etc. in those early post-dictatorship governments, reforms went through.

I think he made though was while the military was opposing the uncovering of it's excesses during the dictatorship, it had fallen in line with the need for economic reform and this made a huge difference in their success.

Whatever coalition government comes in to power in Pakistan I think needs to focus on this. Convince the Establishment that it's better to work with the administration because it's better to get a small piece of a big pie than a larger piece of a small pie.
 
On the contrary, he's given specific examples in such cases. One which seemed to me to be very close to Pakistan's situation today was Brazil in the late 80s, early 90s as it was coming out of a military dictatorship which still maintained a strong influence on the politicians and parties (feels similar?). To make things worse, they were in the grip of severe hyperinflation. Even with the instability - impeachments, violence etc. in those early post-dictatorship governments, reforms went through.

I think he made though was while the military was opposing the uncovering of it's excesses during the dictatorship, it had fallen in line with the need for economic reform and this made a huge difference in their success.

Whatever coalition government comes in to power in Pakistan I think needs to focus on this. Convince the Establishment that it's better to work with the administration because it's better to get a small piece of a big pie than a larger piece of a small pie.
What will be the agenda of a coalition govt that has criminals that stole an election? Any ideas
 
In a significant political development on Friday, another recently-elected independent member of the National Assembly along with six independent candidates elected for the Punjab Assembly have officially joined the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N), Express News reported.

The announcement came after a meeting with Senior Vice President Maryam Nawaz and President of PML-N Punjab Rana Sanaullah, where the new members expressed their allegiance to the party.

The announcement came after a meeting with Senior Vice President Maryam Nawaz and President of PML-N Punjab Rana Sanaullah, where the new members expressed their allegiance to the party.

Among them are notable figures such as Rasheed Akbar Nawani from Bhakkar’s NA-92, Ahmed Nawaz Nawani from Bhakkar’s PP-90, Amir Inayat Shahani from Bhakkar’s PP-92 and PP-93, Rana Abdul Manan from Muzaffargarh’s PP-272, Akbar Hayat Hiraj from Khanewal’s PP-205, and Asghar Hayat Hiraj from Khanewal’s PP-212, who secured victories in their respective constituencies.

"Joining PML-N is a testament to our belief in the leadership of Nawaz Sharif and the party's commitment to serving Pakistan," they stated, echoing the sentiments shared during the meeting.

Maryam welcomed the newcomers and commended their decision, affirming their support as crucial in steering Pakistan towards stability and progress. "Your spirit and broader thinking align with our vision for a prosperous Pakistan," she expressed during the interaction.

Addressing the ongoing challenges facing the nation, Maryam emphasised the need for stability over chaos, denouncing those who seek to disrupt peace and progress. "Pakistan does not require chaos; it needs stability, and our party stands firm in delivering practical solutions," she asserted.

The newly-elected members reiterated their confidence in the leadership of Nawaz Sharif and Shehbaz Sharif, citing PML-N's historic contributions to Pakistan and Punjab.

They underscored their decision to join after thorough consultation with constituents and supporters, highlighting PML-N's implementable manifesto as a driving factor.

In response, Maryam Nawaz reiterated PML-N's commitment to serving the people of Punjab and vowed to make the province a beacon of progress. "We are prepared to sacrifice our politics a million times for the betterment of Pakistan," she affirmed, underlining the party's dedication to the nation's welfare.

Source: Express Tribune

 
In my opinion, PML-N is taking the wrong steps under the leadership of Maryam Nawaz. One day, Maryam Nawaz will completely ruin PML-N.
 
In my opinion, PML-N is taking the wrong steps under the leadership of Maryam Nawaz. One day, Maryam Nawaz will completely ruin PML-N.
Maryam Nawaz has already ruined PmLN. These independent turncoat have no worth , more chances of chaos than govt. Formulation there is too much political divide.
Before elections it was mostly PDM v PTI but post sham elections it has turned into a lumberjack game.

PMLN PPP want silent partnership
JUI PTI alignment in process
MQM against JI PTI JUI
GDA v PPP, MQM
PML N and PTI bitter foes
PTI and PPP going in different directions
Est on back foot
 
What will be the agenda of a coalition govt that has criminals that stole an election? Any ideas
If you want honesty, obviously make the right deals. Allow them some corruption but focus on what's important - reforms that the country needs.
 
Pakistan Muslim League Nawaz (PML-N) on Saturday put forward conditions for the formation of government in centre, ARY News reported citing sources.

According to sources, PML-N suggested that all the coalition parties should become part of the cabinet for two tenures of 2.5 years.

Sources said PML-N will table their conditions before Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) in today’s meeting.

The senior leadership advised Nawaz Sharif and Shehbaz Sharif to condition the formation of government with inclusion of all coalition parties in the cabinet.

Earlier, Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari hinted at what he termed “another wide-ranging consensus” among Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N), PML-Q and MQM to form a PDM-like coalition government in the Centre.

A significant joint press conference was held featuring leaders from major political parties in Pakistan, including PML-N, PML-Q, PPP, and MQM-P, along with Chairman Senate Sadiq Sanjrani and Aleem Khan of IPP.

He expressed the collective commitment of the parties to work together to navigate Pakistan out of its challenges.

It is pertinent to mention here that Commissioner Rawalpindi Liaqat Ali Chatha resigned from his post over alleged rigging in elections 2024.

Addressing a press conference the Rawalpindi commissioner surrendered to police saying “I accept responsibility for rigging election 2024”.

Chattha admitted that the rigging took place in election and candidates who were leading in their constituencies with over 70,000 votes were converted to losers with the help of fake seals under his watch.

He apologized from his subordinates for compelling them to rig elections saying that they were crying when they were directed to carry out the rigging.

Source: ARY

 
This government will not last long. They can't handle challenges with such a sort of coalition.
 
The protests are boiling up like a volcano and these corrupt parties playing poker on the sea of petrol time is running out for them
 
Quite a few inside the PML-N circle feel that they should not form a government at the federal level and should instead sit in the opposition.

They are a 100 percent clear on forming a government in Punjab though and Maryam is locked in as the CM and has already started her work.
 
This government will not last long. They can't handle challenges with such a sort of coalition.
The government formation in the centre suffered another blow as the Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) once again categorically denied being part of the federal cabinet, ARY News reported citing PPP sources.

The development came after the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) put forward conditions for the government formation in centre. According to sources, the PML-N suggested that all the coalition parties including the PPP should be part of the cabinet.

In response, the sources said that the PPP once again made it clear that the party would vote for the PML-N’s prime minister nominee. “But the Bilawal Bhutto Zardari-led party’s members would not hold any ministry or portfolio in the federal cabinet either,” the PPP sources added

The PPP is still unhappy with the PML-N’s ‘biased’ attitude during the Pakistan Democratic Movement’s (PDM) government.

The sources maintained that PML-N tried to blame the PPP for the PDM government’s failure. “The PPP members were also neglected in development schemes for their constituencies,” they added.

Earlier in the day, the PML-N suggested power power-sharing formula that all the coalition parties should become part of the cabinet.

It is pertinent to mention here that no party is in a position to form the federal government alone. Out of 266 general seats in the National Assembly, Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) backed independent candidates lead with 93 seats while the PML-N has 75.

The PPP’s candidates emerged victorious from 54 seats while Muttahida Qaumi Movement-Pakistan (MQM-P) has 17, Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam-Fazl (JUI-F) bagged four and Pakistan Muslim League-Quaid (PML-Q) secured three seats. Istehkam-e-Pakistan Party (IPP) won two seats while eight independent candidates have also won.

The PML-N leaders advised party supremo Nawaz Sharif against forming the federal government.

According to details, former Finance Minister Ishaq Dar briefed the party on the two meetings held with the PPP regarding the formation of the federal government.

The sources privy to the development said that most of the PML-N leaders feared that the PPP would ‘blackmail’ them at every step in the hung parliament.

Source: ARY

 

The alliance of failure?​

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PML-N, PPP fail to reach consensus on govt formation​

The Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) and Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP) were unable to reach an agreement on government formation, despite their third meeting held on Saturday.

Both parties have decided to continue talks on Monday in an effort to break the deadlock.

A joint declaration issued after the coordination committees of both parties met in Islamabad stated that detailed discussions took place regarding government formation.

Source: The Express Tribune
 
Let us call it as it is. These parties don’t want to form the government because in the past the reason they did so was to steal from the country. Now the country is ruined, bankrupt and there is nothing left they can steal. So why would they form a government? The only ones interested in forming the government are PTI because this is the time when the country really needs someone to work hard and carry it out of this rut.

It’s a national duty of these leaders to take the bull by the horns and work for the country and the nation. But why would PML and PPP bother with that? They pretend as if running the government is their khandani right and want their children to rule over the country in the next few years. They are not supposed to be there when the going gets tough. They are only supposed to be there to loot the government coffers when they are full.

These selfish guys are only worried about what will happen to their careers and government in the next year or so and how it will harm their future generations who are waiting with sharpened knives to carry on their fraud parents legacies.

Let’s not try to frame it as a political decision. It’s just selfish corrupt leaders watching out for themselves.
 
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Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf (PTI) on Monday announced alliance with the Sunni Ittehad Council and Majlis-e-Wahdatul Muslimeen (MWM), ARY News reported

The announcement was made by Barrister Gohar flanked by MWM chief Allama Raja Nasir Abbas, Sunni Ittehad Council’s head Sahibzada Hamid Raza and Omar Ayub Khan.

Barrister Gohar said Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf-backed independent candidates, who are in centre, Punjab and KP will join the Sunni Ittehad Council.

The decision was taken after prolonged consultation between PTI, SIC and MWM, he added.

He said the PTI candidates will present documents of joining the Sunni Ittehad Council with the Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) today.

Barrister Gohar reiterated his party’s stance of alleged rigging in the general elections and claimed that his party won 170 to 180 seats in the NA, but the results were ‘rigged’.

Speaking on the occasion, Omar Ayub Khan said the decision to join the Sunni Ittehad Council was made to get reserved seats as they are only allotted to political parties.

Commenting on the revelations of the ex-Rawalpindi commissioner Liaquat Chatha, Ayub alleged rigging was done to deprive the PTI of winning the elections.

He also accused Muttahida Qaumi Movement-Pakistan of ‘stealing’ PTI seats in Karachi and Hyderabad during the elections 2024.

MWM chief Allama Nasir Abbas and Sunni Ittehad Council head Hamid Raza Khan commended PTI for contesting and winning the elections without the “bat” symbol.

Both the leaders said their alliance with the PTI is ‘unconditional’.

Source: ARY

 
Did PTI only get this political party for the purpose of affiliation? 😀
 
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