What was our management thinking by playing Asif Ali over Haider Ali in the 1st ODI vs SA?

[marlonbrowndo]

I know this might be a silly question since our management doesn’t do much thinking but

Haider is much younger and infinitely more skilled and is coming off an
incredible PSL. And yet Asif, who is a complete failure, manages to get in the team over him. Disgusting

 

[Slim]

Asif ali was, is and will be a gully mohalla level player. An absolute joke of a crap player.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

This isn’t just a question about one specific game. It’s about vision. I think it says a lot about the mindset of the management that a gem like Haider isn’t in the starting 11 but some old hack is

 

[Titan24]

Asif Ali scored 90 odd against Pak pacers in warm up match and that could have played a role in his selection although one can argue that if he wasnt in the squad to start with rather came as a replacement then why was he given priority. Otherwise Haider was looking really good finishing the matches in this year’s PSL and played some really good knocks.

 

[TeamPak95]

Yeah, safe to say Asif will make way for Haider here.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Worst decision ever.

Pakistan team can never progress under Misbah and Waqar.

First wasted Fawad now this guy. Disgusting.

 

[Artaxerxes]

People like me with limited knowledge of cricket can tell Asif Ali is not good enough to play for Pakistan in any format so why is the management so blind?

 

[asadee]

Our management doesn't think

 

[hitthestump]

Lol at this thread. The selectors are trying. Over the past couple of years every possible 'finisher' or 'hitter' in Pakistan has been given a go. It is not their fault if nobody is good enough to take the spot.

Asif Ali has looked better in LA cricket and much better than the player he was 2 years ago. He may not be good enough for international cricket but there was no harm in playing him today.

Haider Ali routinely finds the boundary fielder when batting in the powerplay. He has shown close to zero cricketing intelligence in his game so far. Batting 5 or 6 is a crucial position where you need game awareness to see your team through. Haider Ali with his Umar Akmal brain is not ideal for that role.

Overall there are no finishers in Pakistan. Everyone from Khushdil to Asif to Chacha has been tried. So there's nothing to moan to the management about.

 

[Hasan123]

It was a bad decision, Haider Ali should play the next game.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

People like me with limited knowledge of cricket can tell Asif Ali is not good enough to play for Pakistan in any format so why is the management so blind?

Yep, there's this small very small hope that he'll play a sensible knock but time and time again he disappoints tried so hard to get out for me.

However, not to play devil's advocate but a few of our players played some reckless un-needed shots at the wrong time.

I hope that Pakistan finds a finisher that can do the job and someone who can bowl a bit as well, for me I want Sajid Khan in all 3 formats who i think performs well with the bat and can bowl really well.

 

[Rayyman]

Can someone who is willing in to put in more effort than me tell this guy why he is so wrong

He has a point about Haider. He would be out of position in the middle-order because he is an opener.

Tabraiz Shamsi made him look like a tail-ender just last month.

 

[CaptainIce]

I swear since the Australian series this guy always gets out at long on and off. Even today he was lucky that it felt short!!

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Misbah play his buddies at the expense of anything.

Misbah was very unhappy that Ifthikar was dropped and fumed around but got his man Asif ali to his peace of mind.

Misbahs love for Ifthikar, Asif ali, Sohail and imran Khan is beyond everything.

What he should do is take them to his own backyard and play cricket with his kids.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

I swear since the Australian series this guy always gets out at long on and off. Even today he was lucky that it felt short!!

He can only play those shots that all he has up his sleeve. Selecting a comedy batsman like him and expecting to play yuvraj or David Miller is a hilarious.

 

[taqi]

Given stubborn nature of Misbah Asif ali will play all three matches

 

[sshakir411]

Asif Ali is Misbah’s favorite. Misbah can’t play the right players ever.

 

[MRSN]

Because management is just Misbah and Misbah loves ttfs ordinary player like he himself was.

 

[MRSN]

Misbah play his buddies at the expense of anything.

Misbah was very unhappy that Ifthikar was dropped and fumed around but got his man Asif ali to his peace of mind.

Misbahs love for Ifthikar, Asif ali, Sohail and imran Khan is beyond everything.

What he should do is take them to his own backyard and play cricket with his kids.

So Baber was right when he said he doesn't get what he wants.

 

[Line and Length]

Asif shouldn’t be in the team. But I don’t think Haider should played at #5 or #6 either in ODIs. Doubt that will improve his game, in fact, I think it’ll just highlight his weaknesses even more.

 

[gazza619]

Lets put it this way, if 18 runs were needed of the last 3 balls then i would not mind Asif Ali in that scenario. The trouble is that Asif Ali barely survives a few balls and is never ever going to be there till the last over.

 

[ethan hunt]

Pakistan rarely play odi cricket and yet they refuse to develop talent like haider.
Unbelievable.

 

[indianpanacea]

Asif at best can play T20 and hasn't calibre beyond that..
I wonder if Babar opens in T20 then why not in ODI..current batting order should b like
Imam
Babar
Rizwan
Haider Ali
M.Nawaz
Danish
Faheem

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Because management is just Misbah and Misbah loves ttfs ordinary player like he himself was.

Mediocre Misbah loves mediocrity..

 

[Rana]

Tbh I have no issues with Haider Ali being dropped if it means he has to learn the hard way that his place isn’t gaurenteed. But I would take him over Asif Ali any day

Also this Danish Aziz bloke needs to be moved on also

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Pakistan rarely play odi cricket and yet they refuse to develop talent like haider.
Unbelievable.

Misbah and Waqar were at the helm for more than 6 years ever since the spot fixing fiasco on 2010 at various positions in the team as Coach, Captain, Selector , bowling coach etc..

Name one player that these two have developed , nurtured who is breaking the records now...

Let me tell you Haider Ali is also a player who can be developed as good as Babar if he debuted under the wings of MA...MA is one of the best coaches that would develop players career.. He coined the growth of Hashim Amla by giving him the chance to bat at 3 in tests and open in ODIs, rest was history

If Babar has played under this same Waqar (knows nothing about coaching and development) or Misbah wouldnt have developed as what he is now and hence would have underachieved..

Even Imam ul haq what he has achieved in LOIs so far was again the credit should go to MA.. People say nepotism that is why he was selected again and again, no they are wrong.. MA lost sharjeel to fixing and he didnt drop Imam because he knows his replacements are Azhar ali, Ahmed Shehzad, Sami Aslam, Shan Masood and some unknown domestic player.. So sticked with Imam and for a team like pakistan Imam is like David warner for them...

 

[Sir-fraz]

Asif Ali scored 90 odd against Pak pacers in warm up match and that could have played a role in his selection although one can argue that if he wasnt in the squad to start with rather came as a replacement then why was he given priority. Otherwise Haider was looking really good finishing the matches in this year’s PSL and played some really good knocks.

Lol the intensity and pressure are way different in practise compared to the real game smh haider shouldve started over him any day of the week.

 

[Sir-fraz]

Misbah and Waqar were at the helm for more than 6 years ever since the spot fixing fiasco on 2010 at various positions in the team as Coach, Captain, Selector , bowling coach etc..

Name one player that these two have developed , nurtured who is breaking the records now...

Let me tell you Haider Ali is also a player who can be developed as good as Babar if he debuted under the wings of MA...MA is one of the best coaches that would develop players career.. He coined the growth of Hashim Amla by giving him the chance to bat at 3 in tests and open in ODIs, rest was history

If Babar has played under this same Waqar (knows nothing about coaching and development) or Misbah wouldnt have developed as what he is now and hence would have underachieved..

Even Imam ul haq what he has achieved in LOIs so far was again the credit should go to MA.. People say nepotism that is why he was selected again and again, no they are wrong.. MA lost sharjeel to fixing and he didnt drop Imam because he knows his replacements are Azhar ali, Ahmed Shehzad, Sami Aslam, Shan Masood and some unknown domestic player.. So sticked with Imam and for a team like pakistan Imam is like David warner for them...

We have incompetent coaches and selectors been like this since i remember.

They have a wheel and spin which head it lands on they try him out again.

 

[Sir-fraz]

Misbah and Waqar were at the helm for more than 6 years ever since the spot fixing fiasco on 2010 at various positions in the team as Coach, Captain, Selector , bowling coach etc..

Name one player that these two have developed , nurtured who is breaking the records now...

Let me tell you Haider Ali is also a player who can be developed as good as Babar if he debuted under the wings of MA...MA is one of the best coaches that would develop players career.. He coined the growth of Hashim Amla by giving him the chance to bat at 3 in tests and open in ODIs, rest was history

If Babar has played under this same Waqar (knows nothing about coaching and development) or Misbah wouldnt have developed as what he is now and hence would have underachieved..

Even Imam ul haq what he has achieved in LOIs so far was again the credit should go to MA.. People say nepotism that is why he was selected again and again, no they are wrong.. MA lost sharjeel to fixing and he didnt drop Imam because he knows his replacements are Azhar ali, Ahmed Shehzad, Sami Aslam, Shan Masood and some unknown domestic player.. So sticked with Imam and for a team like pakistan Imam is like David warner for them...

We have incompetent coaches and selectors been like this since i remember.

They have a wheel and spin which head it lands on they try him out again.

 

[ahmadharis1]

If he plays in the ODI/T20I team he should be opening. Give him a license to be aggressive from the start a la Brendon McCollum, let him hit over the packed infield where there's a less chance of being caught out with only 2 outfielders.

I don't think he's international material just yet, can't build an innings and plays in the air too much.

But IF he is still in the team he should open

 

[Major]

The bench warmer is always the best player in pakistan crixket

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Lol at this thread. The selectors are trying. Over the past couple of years every possible 'finisher' or 'hitter' in Pakistan has been given a go. It is not their fault if nobody is good enough to take the spot.

Asif Ali has looked better in LA cricket and much better than the player he was 2 years ago. He may not be good enough for international cricket but there was no harm in playing him today.

Haider Ali routinely finds the boundary fielder when batting in the powerplay. He has shown close to zero cricketing intelligence in his game so far. Batting 5 or 6 is a crucial position where you need game awareness to see your team through. Haider Ali with his Umar Akmal brain is not ideal for that role.

Overall there are no finishers in Pakistan. Everyone from Khushdil to Asif to Chacha has been tried. So there's nothing to moan to the management about.

Looked better? LOL

the guy averages a mere 30 with the bat. Looked better...

 

[Titan24]

Lol the intensity and pressure are way different in practise compared to the real game smh haider shouldve started over him any day of the week.

No doubt the intensity and pressure are nowhere near the level of even most of domestic cricket let alone international. I was just putting forward the only point I can think of as otherwise there is literally no reason to play Asif over Haider/

 

[Cric_lover4487]

Yep, there's this small very small hope that he'll play a sensible knock but time and time again he disappoints tried so hard to get out for me.

However, not to play devil's advocate but a few of our players played some reckless un-needed shots at the wrong time.

I hope that Pakistan finds a finisher that can do the job and someone who can bowl a bit as well, for me I want Sajid Khan in all 3 formats who i think performs well with the bat and can bowl really well.

Asif is inferior version of Umar Akmal. Atleast, Umar had full range of shots and could play all around the wicket. Asif aims to slog every ball over mid wicket. Its frustrating to watch him play.

 

[BigShak]

Because they don’t want to turn Haider in to a slogger. He is a top order batsmen and if you aren’t able to fit him in the top 4 then he shouldn’t play.

 

[Ami]

Just think out of box people...get 2 people who can bat at no 5 and 6.

Obviously, ifti, khushdil, talat, asif, danish etc cant bat...so how about shadab and imad?

These 2 will make more runs than all combined.

 

[Justcrazy]

Haider Ali should be in the XI in the next game, but he needs to grab his opportunities.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

To be fair to Misbah, he is not the selector. Asif was in the squad given to him. This question should be asked of Wasim.

 

[Nasty Naz]

"What was our management thinking"

A question that's continued for decades and with no end in sight.

 

[cricketerB94]

Asif Ali is more *experienced*

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Asif Ali scored 90 odd against Pak pacers in warm up match and that could have played a role in his selection although one can argue that if he wasnt in the squad to start with rather came as a replacement then why was he given priority. Otherwise Haider was looking really good finishing the matches in this year’s PSL and played some really good knocks.

Nobody watched warm up matches, and these are intra team warm ups and we all know the how it is played and it’s intensity

Haider Ali is the future , he is doing really well.

Misbah and Waqar should be sacked for this one blunder even if they win this series.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

To be fair to Misbah, he is not the selector. Asif was in the squad given to him. This question should be asked of Wasim.

To be fair to Misbah , Asif was not in the ODI squad , when Saud was injured Asif was given the the chance to play the warm up where he fluke his sixes to score 90 runs, he was requested by Misbah to take as a replacement for Saud Shakeel, request granted and he was selected in the 11 ahead of haider ali, Shafique and Sarfraz

Along these years , one thing was clear which was Misbah has his own buddies which he will play at the expense of anything. He did this when he was captain, selector and as coach now.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Because they don’t want to turn Haider in to a slogger. He is a top order batsmen and if you aren’t able to fit him in the top 4 then he shouldn’t play.

Why not top 4

He was batting at no.4

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Asif is just here to fill the spot until the real king umar akmal back

 

[Major]

You guys have too much expctaions from Haider Ali.

Guy does not have any experience to back himself up

 

[marlonbrowndo]

The bench warmer is always the best player in pakistan crixket

Never expect sensible comments from a Misbah supporter. This is a new low though. Shamelessly defending his friends inclusion over the brightest young batting talent in the country

 

[marlonbrowndo]

You guys have too much expctaions from Haider Ali.

Guy does not have any experience to back himself up

Experience doesn’t mean anything if the player is trash. Something Misbah and his supporters unfortunately have yet to realize

 

[Major]

Never expect sensible comments from a Misbah supporter. This is a new low though. Shamelessly defending his friends inclusion over the brightest young batting talent in the country

?
instead of getting personal or making comments like misbah supporter and such, do try to come up with logic atleast.

this is the problem with pakistani cricket fans. The guy warming the bench is the greatest player of all time.

 

[Major]

Experience doesn’t mean anything if the player is trash. Something Misbah and his supporters unfortunately have yet to realize

I dont understand why you are annoyed with who i support, accept to learn differences.

Domestic experience matters. You dont select players based on 2-3 matches. Go to the Harris Rauf thread and look at what Waqar said to saj about Harris Rauf.

DOmestic cricket is where you learn and international cricket is where you apply yourself.

Haider Ali barely has any one day matches and is only playing in the team due to Television T20 matches ended up impressing the selectors.

He will be thrown in One day international asked to perform, and when he doenst he will be dropped shattering the confidence he had.

I dont really care for Asif Ali, but if you wana drop him, than make an argument for brinign back Harris Sohail or some otehr batsmen who has got doemstic experience under his belt

 

[sindhiboy]

Lol at this thread. The selectors are trying. Over the past couple of years every possible 'finisher' or 'hitter' in Pakistan has been given a go. It is not their fault if nobody is good enough to take the spot.

Asif Ali has looked better in LA cricket and much better than the player he was 2 years ago. He may not be good enough for international cricket but there was no harm in playing him today.

Haider Ali routinely finds the boundary fielder when batting in the powerplay. He has shown close to zero cricketing intelligence in his game so far. Batting 5 or 6 is a crucial position where you need game awareness to see your team through. Haider Ali with his Umar Akmal brain is not ideal for that role.

Overall there are no finishers in Pakistan. Everyone from Khushdil to Asif to Chacha has been tried. So there's nothing to moan to the management about.

There is azam khan

 

[Major]

Lol at this thread. The selectors are trying. Over the past couple of years every possible 'finisher' or 'hitter' in Pakistan has been given a go. It is not their fault if nobody is good enough to take the spot.

Asif Ali has looked better in LA cricket and much better than the player he was 2 years ago. He may not be good enough for international cricket but there was no harm in playing him today.

Haider Ali routinely finds the boundary fielder when batting in the powerplay. He has shown close to zero cricketing intelligence in his game so far. Batting 5 or 6 is a crucial position where you need game awareness to see your team through. Haider Ali with his Umar Akmal brain is not ideal for that role.

Overall there are no finishers in Pakistan. Everyone from Khushdil to Asif to Chacha has been tried. So there's nothing to moan to the management about.

It takes time to develop finishers.

Problme with Asif Ali is that he strikes the ball. He cant drive or play a cricketing shot that would lead the ball to going for a 4.

This is why the country loves Babar Azam. He can just sit in his crease and drive the ball for 4.

I beleive if Asif Ali was in the England set up, he would had been a better player.

Chacha in my opinion is better than Asif, and it was unfair to drop Chacha. Finishers are needed to be given time.

Chacha won a match and than was dropped for this series. The selectors and coaches are not even on the same page.

After Khushdil, now we are going to be trying this Danish Aziz who is going to be another faliure.

They should had continued with Chacha

 

[golagunda]

Our whole idea of what a finisher is supposed to be is flawed. A 'finisher' should be a proper batsman with the ability to hit big shots if needed. Not a slogger or bits and pieces player who comes in and plays for two or three overs. The prerequisite for being a finisher is to first be a batsman. People like Asif Ali are glorified tailenders. Their ability with the bat is similar to that of someone like Hasan Ali who is very useful with the bat at the end if the day is a bowler who can give us some bonus runs. Haider Ali is a proper batsman who should be tried irrespective of whether he hits big shots or not. Infact by calling him a finisher I am afraid we would turn him into another slogger.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

I dont understand why you are annoyed with who i support, accept to learn differences.

Domestic experience matters. You dont select players based on 2-3 matches. Go to the Harris Rauf thread and look at what Waqar said to saj about Harris Rauf.

Domestic cricket is where you learn and international cricket is where you apply yourself.

yes there are some many domestic superstars who never succeed in international cricket, is that because they cant apply what they learnt in domestics..

Haider Ali barely has any one day matches and is only playing in the team due to Television T20 matches ended up impressing the selectors.

If that is the case then what will you say for Inzi , Waqar and Wasim akram , how were they brought into international cricket.

He will be thrown in One day international asked to perform, and when he doenst he will be dropped shattering the confidence he had.

Not surprise since you come from Misbahs school of thought. He doesnt have an eye for talent + cannot nourish or nurture any good potential + cannot build a team + let him be in charge for 20 years and he wouldn't make a product like Babar or Imam or Shaheen or even faheem

Misbah and Waqar policy is throw the rookies into the sea and expect them swim or sink.. as they will watch sipping tea.. If they swim, good for the team, if they sink, discard from the team..

That is not how it works throw them into the sea, teach them to survive first , then let them swim and accelerate.. Potential was spotted so work with them, iron-out the on-field mistakes, give consistent chances , keep them in one position, make them understand their role.. there is a lot goes into the coaching manual. This is why MA was able to produce Babar and Imam what they are now. unfortunately both Waqar and Misbah doesnt fit the bill...

I dont really care for Asif Ali,

but if you wana drop him, than make an argument for brinign back Harris Sohail or some otehr batsmen who has got doemstic experience under his belt

Then shut the door and give chance to Haider Ali who is the future prospect. It is obvious to see the difference between Asif and Haider, but tend to support Misbah ul haq instead of Team pakistan.

 

[Major]

Then shut the door and give chance to Haider Ali who is the future prospect. It is obvious to see the difference between Asif and Haider, but tend to support Misbah ul haq instead of Team pakistan.

Drop asif ali, i dont care.


You dont even understand the point.

Point is, dont bring in a player who has 7 list A matches for pakistan national team.

If hea a prospect, than develop him at nca and domestix. International crixket is no where to develop someone.

Compare cricket to nhl, top prsopects have to play smaller leagues even if they get drafted first.

You first need to learn to dominate at domestic level before being asked to perform at internarional.

Haider, danish got one hundred at domestix, and they are playing international today.

Guys like saud shakeel had to work for years

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Converstaion between Misbah and Waqar

Misbah : Bhai I have no idea and clueless on where to bat Haider Ali..

Waqar: Why? I think he plays in the middle order right

Misbah: No bhai, he is good hitting the ball to boundaries, Remember we wasted Umar Akmal at no.5 and destroyed his career

Im thinking whether to open with Haider Ali or play him in the middle order..

Waqar: Yes you are right... so lets opt him out of the 11 , let Haider ali decide whether he wants to open or play in the middle order.. You dont have to worry issue resolved.

Misbah: Kyaa baat hai bhai.

Waqar: Chal lets have tea..

Misbah and Waqar thinks that if anyone plays at a better SR they should open the inns or be a slogger at no.6.. Cant bat at no.4.. Wonder how these two would have coached Yuvraj Singh and Abdv.

 

[hitthestump]

It takes time to develop finishers.

Problme with Asif Ali is that he strikes the ball. He cant drive or play a cricketing shot that would lead the ball to going for a 4.

This is why the country loves Babar Azam. He can just sit in his crease and drive the ball for 4.

I beleive if Asif Ali was in the England set up, he would had been a better player.

Chacha in my opinion is better than Asif, and it was unfair to drop Chacha. Finishers are needed to be given time.

Chacha won a match and than was dropped for this series. The selectors and coaches are not even on the same page.

After Khushdil, now we are going to be trying this Danish Aziz who is going to be another faliure.

They should had continued with Chacha

They will return to Chacha eventually once they've tried the rest. It is fair enough that Asif Ali was given a game as the hitter slot is absolutely vacant at the moment. Once he fails only Haider Ali is left to try. If that flops it will be Chacha's spot again most probably as he is the best LA performer.

 

[hitthestump]

There is azam khan

I would not be surprised if Pakistan eventually have to stoop to these depths at some point prior to 2023. The cupboard is so bare.

 

[shaz619]

I know this might be a silly question since our management doesn’t do much thinking but

Haider is much younger and infinitely more skilled and is coming off an
incredible PSL. And yet Asif, who is a complete failure, manages to get in the team over him. Disgusting

Maybe we should make a power point presentation and send it to Mo. Wasim on behalf of PP posters explaining why this was a bad move

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Drop asif ali, i dont care.


You dont even understand the point.

Point is, dont bring in a player who has 7 list A matches for pakistan national team.

If hea a prospect, than develop him at nca and domestix. International crixket is no where to develop someone.

Compare cricket to nhl, top prsopects have to play smaller leagues even if they get drafted first.

You first need to learn to dominate at domestic level before being asked to perform at internarional.

Haider, danish got one hundred at domestix, and they are playing international today.

Guys like saud shakeel had to work for years

If that is the case then what will you say for Inzi , Waqar and Wasim akram , are they brought into international cricket after dominating the domestics

 

[ask_analyse_act]

They will return to Chacha eventually once they've tried the rest. It is fair enough that Asif Ali was given a game as the hitter slot is absolutely vacant at the moment. Once he fails only Haider Ali is left to try. If that flops it will be Chacha's spot again most probably as he is the best LA performer.

No.4,5,6 are pretty much an important batting position .. With the pitches being made like roads , teams are looking to give that positions to players like hardik pandya...

But even then hardik Pandya type batsman is need only at 6 or 7...


Play proper batsman till no.5 then no.6 will be the keeper cum hard-hitting batsman no.7 is the slogger..

if a team wants to play the keeper at no.4 and from no.5 they want to play bits and pieces obviously it is a self destruction.

 

[MesonK]

Following players need to be banned from national side until they have an amazing whole domestic season with 45+ batting average or ~25 like average in bowling.

Asif Ali
Hussain Talat
Shan Masood
Haris Sohail
Musa


.... I wish Professor could be part of ODI side again.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

They weren't thinking to begin with.

 

[Zaz]

Our whole idea of what a finisher is supposed to be is flawed. A 'finisher' should be a proper batsman with the ability to hit big shots if needed. Not a slogger or bits and pieces player who comes in and plays for two or three overs. The prerequisite for being a finisher is to first be a batsman. People like Asif Ali are glorified tailenders. Their ability with the bat is similar to that of someone like Hasan Ali who is very useful with the bat at the end if the day is a bowler who can give us some bonus runs. Haider Ali is a proper batsman who should be tried irrespective of whether he hits big shots or not. Infact by calling him a finisher I am afraid we would turn him into another slogger.

Agree for the most part A finisher should be someone who can play at a high strike rate and someone who will put a price on his wkt and be there at the end finishing rhe game Thats a proper batsman not a hack

Someone who scores maximum runs with minimum risk with the aim of being not out at the end

Not someone who can hit a six or two and then get out

Imad Wasim fits this bill in odis and he has the stats Ive no idea why we keeping playing hacks who have one shot in the locker which usually means getting caught at cow corner on the boundary fence

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Haider Ali should be playing at number 6 with Haris Sohail at 5. Adding those two would exponentially improve Pakistan's batting order. And having Haider Ali at 6 makes sense aswell. He is the future and has shown flashes of talent to merit a place in there. The number 6 spot is tailor-made for up and coming players and has historically served as a spot for young batsmen to grow without the burden of too much responsibility.

Unfortunately, there is no vision to speak of. Neither in the coaching staff, nor in the chief-selector.

Either they pack the pack the side with guys having little to no experience. Or they bring back failures like Asif Ali who have never succeeded in international cricket.

 

[hitthestump]

Unfortunately, there is no vision to speak of. Neither in the coaching staff, nor in the chief-selector.

Either they pack the pack the side with guys having little to no experience. Or they bring back failures like Asif Ali who have never succeeded in international cricket.

This is just hindsight talking. The selectors have done literally all they can. If Shoaib Malik was still batting at 6 you'd be complaining that they aren't trying enough youngsters. Now that the youngsters have been tried you are essentially blaming the selectors because none were good enough?!

I get people are mad that there is no talent in Pakistan but it's got nothing to do with the selectors/management.

 

[Major]

If that is the case then what will you say for Inzi , Waqar and Wasim akram , are they brought into international cricket after dominating the domestics

i have not seen waqar and waseem play and never indulge in discussion related to them.

You can have one or two anomlies. Doesn't mean every cricketer you pick up from the street is going to turn into the next waqar etc.

Every cricket board in the world relies on domestic performance. Its simple, you need to learn how to dominate at your domestic level before expected to play international.

 

[Major]

Haider Ali should be playing at number 6 with Haris Sohail at 5. Adding those two would exponentially improve Pakistan's batting order. And having Haider Ali at 6 makes sense aswell. He is the future and has shown flashes of talent to merit a place in there. The number 6 spot is tailor-made for up and coming players and has historically served as a spot for young batsmen to grow without the burden of too much responsibility.

Unfortunately, there is no vision to speak of. Neither in the coaching staff, nor in the chief-selector.

Either they pack the pack the side with guys having little to no experience. Or they bring back failures like Asif Ali who have never succeeded in international cricket.

and when Haider Ali fails than what?

The selectors have tried every single player for the finishing role.

Asif, Khushdil, Ifti, Imad Waseem,

They are going to try Sarfraz Ahmed at one point now and than Azam khan.

 

[golagunda]

Agree for the most part A finisher should be someone who can play at a high strike rate and someone who will put a price on his wkt and be there at the end finishing rhe game Thats a proper batsman not a hack

Someone who scores maximum runs with minimum risk with the aim of being not out at the end

Not someone who can hit a six or two and then get out

Imad Wasim fits this bill in odis and he has the stats Ive no idea why we keeping playing hacks who have one shot in the locker which usually means getting caught at cow corner on the boundary fence

Agree about Imad Wasim. While he is no Dhoni or Bevan, he is the only one in Pakistan who has actually delivered in crunch situations and won us some important matches while batting in the lower order. However, if rumors are to believed his exclusion has more to do with non-cricketing reasons.

 

[Golden arm]

never seen such an incompetent management with poor analytical skills and mind set . tactical planning is regressive. Haider Ali and Nawaz should have played as per common sense. Waqar and Misbah are hell bent on defying logic and common sense.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

and when Haider Ali fails than what?

The selectors have tried every single player for the finishing role.

Asif, Khushdil, Ifti, Imad Waseem,

They are going to try Sarfraz Ahmed at one point now and than Azam khan.

I'd rather go through a trial and error process with a talented youngster rather than a guy who doesn't even have the temperament to play international cricket.

Yeah and Imad Wasim was actually succeeding in that role until he was dropped for no good reason.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

This is just hindsight talking. The selectors have done literally all they can. If Shoaib Malik was still batting at 6 you'd be complaining that they aren't trying enough youngsters. Now that the youngsters have been tried you are essentially blaming the selectors because none were good enough?!

I get people are mad that there is no talent in Pakistan but it's got nothing to do with the selectors/management.

Shoaib Malik has been retired from ODIs for the last two years.

Also what? Did you even comprehend a word I was saying? That is not (at all) what I was saying. Maybe take another stab at reading what I wrote instead of cherry-picking the last three lines.

 

[Rayyman]

Agree for the most part A finisher should be someone who can play at a high strike rate and someone who will put a price on his wkt and be there at the end finishing rhe game Thats a proper batsman not a hack

Someone who scores maximum runs with minimum risk with the aim of being not out at the end

Not someone who can hit a six or two and then get out

Imad Wasim fits this bill in odis and he has the stats Ive no idea why we keeping playing hacks who have one shot in the locker which usually means getting caught at cow corner on the boundary fence

never seen such an incompetent management with poor analytical skills and mind set . tactical planning is regressive. Haider Ali and Nawaz should have played as per common sense. Waqar and Misbah are hell bent on defying logic and common sense.

Nawaz is actually a proper batsman. Has the technique and hitting ability to bat anywhere in the middle-order. Not sure if he has the clutchness that Imad does, but that can be developed.

Expecting a tail-ender like Asif to succeed is not going to work.

 

[Rayyman]

Our whole idea of what a finisher is supposed to be is flawed. A 'finisher' should be a proper batsman with the ability to hit big shots if needed. Not a slogger or bits and pieces player who comes in and plays for two or three overs. The prerequisite for being a finisher is to first be a batsman. People like Asif Ali are glorified tailenders. Their ability with the bat is similar to that of someone like Hasan Ali who is very useful with the bat at the end if the day is a bowler who can give us some bonus runs. Haider Ali is a proper batsman who should be tried irrespective of whether he hits big shots or not. Infact by calling him a finisher I am afraid we would turn him into another slogger.

Haider or Abdullah at 4 would be a better option.

Rizwan is very much capable of maintaining the 105-110 SR needed to bat at #5.

 

[Rayyman]

I'd rather go through a trial and error process with a talented youngster rather than a guy who doesn't even have the temperament to play international cricket.

Yeah and Imad Wasim was actually succeeding in that role until he was dropped for no good reason.

It’s a shame Saud and Haris are unfit.

A middle-order of this would have been much better:
3. Babar
4. Haris/Saud
5. Rizwan
6. Imad/Nawaz
7. Shadab
8. Faheem
9. Hasan

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

To be fair to Misbah , Asif was not in the ODI squad , when Saud was injured Asif was given the the chance to play the warm up where he fluke his sixes to score 90 runs, he was requested by Misbah to take as a replacement for Saud Shakeel, request granted and he was selected in the 11 ahead of haider ali, Shafique and Sarfraz

Along these years , one thing was clear which was Misbah has his own buddies which he will play at the expense of anything. He did this when he was captain, selector and as coach now.

That logic I can't argue with. He is nepotistic and short sighted generally.

 

[Golden arm]

never seen such an incompetent management with poor analytical skills and mind set . tactical planning is regressive. Haider Ali and Nawaz should have played as per common sense. Waqar and Misbah are hell bent on defying logic and common sense.

Funny thing is to the extent of madness, misbah and waqar are repeating the same mistake hundred times and expecting a different results which never happened.

 

[da_don]

selecting tape ball cricketers like asif ali and haris rauf is pathetic.. they dont deserve to be in the bench let alone playing xi

Haider Ali and Hasan Ali should be in the line up

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

It’s a shame Saud and Haris are unfit.

A middle-order of this would have been much better:
3. Babar
4. Haris/Saud
5. Rizwan
6. Imad/Nawaz
7. Shadab
8. Faheem
9. Hasan

I think Shadab at this point would benefit from some time on the bench. He's been shockingly poor with the ball and needs to understand that he won't be getting a free ride just because he's VC.

Still can't quite believe how Imad Wasim has been dropped. You could make a case that he can get selected just for his batting ability and I don't know why he hasn't been tried at No.6.

But still the side you mentioned can be a side Pakistan can aspire to field in the long-term.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

They still don’t learn. Typical

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I can understand Hasnain or Haris Rauf playing over Hasan Ali. But I absolutely cannot understand the inclusion of Asif Ali again.