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What was the turning point in CT final? And what was the tournament's turning point for Pakistan?

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That one moment or an over or two that began to tilt the game in Pakistan´s favour? Let´s take a look at the potential candidates one by one....

1. Fakhar´s no-ball dismissal.

Not quite in my opinion. He had to bat a long way afterwards to get a century, and the way he was struggling at that time and given the iffy running, a substantial score from him initially looked a bit long to go. If anything at all, that moment gave the first impression of it may after all not being India´s day perhaps.

2. Hafeez´s 57 off 37.

Instead of a turning point, I´d put it as something that put Pakistan way ahead and made the total a hugely challenging one for the Indian batsmen. A lot of the job was done through this innings, but by then Pakistan had started to look slight favourites.

3. Amir´s spell.

It sealed the game as opposed to turning the game. It was almost like final rites being performed and killed any chances that India could´ve had of chasing such a huge, huge total. It was an ICC tournament final mind you, not a group match.

Here´s my candidate that I´d set my eyes on immediately the moment came:

33 runs off two overs, the 26th and the 27th combined. The score shot up from 134 to 167 in a jiffy and Pakistan looked on for a score well beyond just the 300-run mark. Up that point, being on 61 off 78, Fakhar was quietly knocking around in singles and doubles and just hung in there. He never looked back from that moment, smashing 53 off the next 28 balls. Those overs were the moment when I messaged my friend that "Pakistan (is) gradually batting India out of the game", and so it happened.

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On turning point of the whole campaign, people would surely mention the win over England, and rightly so. That was the day when Pakistan ran into the most destructive batting line-up of the tournament, and, well, just ran through it. So that´s a fair and obvious choice.

However, I´ve my own theory on it when a team wins a global event in cricket. I always look back on the match that the team might´ve won from almost the jaws of defeat, because nothing else gives you as much confidence as they do. Therefore, it was the win over Sri Lanka from an impossible situation that for the first time gave me those special vibes about Pakistan´s chances. I was just reluctant to declare it openly though because that could well have been another one of those false starts by them, and bigger, much bigger opponents were waiting for them in Engaland, and winning that, India in the final.

So yeah, whereas most of you would say that the win over England was the turning point in Pakistan´s campaign, my choice slightly tilts towards the match that Pakistan won from a lost position. Well done Sarfraz and Amir on giving Pakistan a chance from nowhere!
 
What was the turning point yesterday? And what was the tournament´s turning point for Pakistan?

On Fakhar, I cannot express enough the delight of seeing him compromise on his style of batting for the team´s cause and for hanging in there till he finally felt the time was right to blast. Centuries in the good old 1990s were scored like this, fellows. :)

I saw a thread asking whether he can play a long innings. He has answered that question of course, but I´ll be the first one to admit that I was least expecting him to bat like that. I´d more expected him to play the do or die game in the initial overs itself.
 
Just like at 2009 T20 World Cup it was Afridi's running catch against New Zealand was the turning point, I believe it was the amazing catch by Hasan Ali against South Africa was the turning point for us in this Champions Trophy campaign.
 
Turning point was Pakistan's humiliating defeat against India in the very first match.

India or any other team which would have reached the final, lost the CT final there and then.
 
Tourney: Hasan Ali's delivery to Parnell.
Final: Zaman's spinners blast and Amir's spell.
But its just India didn't showed up at final, they were as silent as they can be.
 
Turning point yesterday was kohlis dismissal. At that point we basically won the match.

Turning point of the tournament was the mid overs of the South African batting innings.
 
Think it comes down to that no-ball.

Would have been an early wicket that would have put our batting line up under pressure.

Everything else flows from there.

Once we had a good start, India never settled as a bowling unit. 340 as a target was always going to be a mountain to climb.

They knew they had to have a good start to get anywhere close, and Amir killed any hopes of that. After losing Kohli, they were finished. Don't think they ever believed they could do it after that.
 
AB dismissal.
Delivery to Parnell
Catch by Hasan

But turning point involved the player who failed to contribute significantly despite playing every match, Shoaib Malik. His most significant contribution was when he gave debut cap to Fakhar. And that was the turning point of CT for PCT.
 
Turning point of yesterday's match = No ball to Fakhar plus Hardik Pandya's run out coz he looked very threatening
Tournament = Safraz's dropped catch by Thisara Perera
 
The turning point of the entire tournament was Wahab's injury and Shehzad's ineptitude opening finally breaking the camel's back
 
turning point was the bowling spell against South Africa. Ppl will talk about Hasan Ali's spell in the middle. and it was magnificent, but the spinners before them had basically muted the south africa batsmen before that.
 
Turning point was Pakistan's humiliating defeat against India in the very first match.

India or any other team which would have reached the final, lost the CT final there and then.

Woh toh hum bar hi icc tournament me hraate hi aaye hai....isbar kya itna bura lg gya league match haar ke......india underestimated pakistan bowling literally. kohli thought he had won the match after winning the toss and decided to chase.Pakistan have history of best bowling.
Turning point for pakistan was alot of alot of duas ...i have bever ever seen n.o 8 team trting to qualify for champions trophy and then win it by beating india, england and south africa..
 
Azhar ali runout, Woke up Fakhar Zaman, you could see how determined he was to get to the 100 after running out the senior man. Brilliantly mature innings from the newcomer, hopefully a lot more to come.
 
Losing Rohit Sharma and Kohli one after the other was what did it for Pakistan.
They smelled blood at that time, and went for the juglar. India could never recover.
 
Wahab's injury.

Turned the bowling attack on its head.

But Perera's dropped catch deserves a mention. PAK was on its way out if that catch had been taken.
 
I was unsure if the target we set yesterday would be enough.

Than amir got rohit out on the third ball and I got a feeling that an amir special is coming up.

But even I didn't imagine the way events would unfold. Without a doubt when Kohli was dropped I felt as if we might have just dropped the match. And when Kohli got out on the next ball I was pumping my fists in the air and knew it for certain that we are going to win it. Nothing can stop us now.

Yuvraj and Dhoni are way past their prime to cause any damage.
 
Turning point is of the tournament was dropping wahab and shehzad and giving fakhar his debut.

Giving a newbie a debut in a big tournament isn't an easy thing especially when the expectation of him is to carry the burden of whole line up.

They could have tinkered with Sarfaraz or Hafeez as openers thanks god the didn't.
 
Turning point of the tournament was when we beat SA, body language etc was amazing and in yesterdays match it was Amirs spell cos if I'm honest, I was not confident with 338
 
Turning point of the tournament: Hasan Ali's back-to-back wickets against South Africa. He never looked back!

Turning point of the Final: There was no turning point. We owned that game from ball 1.
 
Tournaments turning point was the introduction of Fakhar Zaman in the side. The boy has been outstanding since then scoring heavily in every match thereby giving us the much needed solid and fast start. Yesterday's turning point was Kohli winning the toss and putting us in on a batting paradise. From then on it was one way traffic as we took their attack apart. No matter what they were always going to struggle chasing ssuch a big score. I sincerely believe that we would have lost the match had Kohli decided to bat first, thanks Kohli!
 
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Woh toh hum bar hi icc tournament me hraate hi aaye hai....isbar kya itna bura lg gya league match haar ke......india underestimated pakistan bowling literally. kohli thought he had won the match after winning the toss and decided to chase.Pakistan have history of best bowling.
Turning point for pakistan was alot of alot of duas ...i have bever ever seen n.o 8 team trting to qualify for champions trophy and then win it by beating india, england and south africa..

I think they had prepared more seriously this time and hence that first match came across as a shock to many players. You probably dont know much about this new team and the new players selected. These were not your run of the mill Pakistani players of 2010-2015 era. These guys have much more self belief and confidence in their abilities and now they have a tactically astute captain as well. I really think that 1st match loss and the manner in which they lost, motivated them to prove a point.
 
turning point was the bowling spell against South Africa. Ppl will talk about Hasan Ali's spell in the middle. and it was magnificent, but the spinners before them had basically muted the south africa batsmen before that.

spot on. for dramatic effect commies have painted the story of a team that gradually grew in confidence, stumbling at first, 'lucky' with rain, etc. looking back now it feels more like a switch was flicked with the south africa game, followed by a flicker in the sri lanka game, and then steady burn. in terms of tournament performance, this was more impressive than wc 92. only wc 99 was more consistent, up and until the miserable final.
 
For me it was the spell of m.aamir... India have chased bigger totals than this before and India were very much in the game till then..Look at srilanka match where they chased 320 with complete ease...Also because imad got injured and could not bowl made those early wickets all the more crucial...
 
Turning point of the Final was Amir getting rid of tournament's 3 of the top 4 batsmen and turning point of the tournament was Sarfraz and Amir partnership against Sri Lanka.
 
Rohit sharma getting out in the first over.. He needed to see off Amir's spell and then Kohli could have won us the match on flat deck..

Tournament wise I believe after the first match the amount of criticism and humiliation Pakistani team got from heir media and ex players it fired some AAG inside them and they wanted to prove everyone wrong.. So well done to them..
 
spot on. for dramatic effect commies have painted the story of a team that gradually grew in confidence, stumbling at first, 'lucky' with rain, etc. looking back now it feels more like a switch was flicked with the south africa game, followed by a flicker in the sri lanka game, and then steady burn. in terms of tournament performance, this was more impressive than wc 92. only wc 99 was more consistent, up and until the miserable final.

More impressive than the 99 World Cup in my view. The format for that World Cup was a forgiving one, we lost to Bangladesh, India and South Africa and barely scraped past a mediocre WI side, but still managed to make it to the final. The highlights of course were the thrilling win over the eventual champions and the thumping of NZ in the semifinal.

However, in this Champions Trophy, the way we battered SA, England and India in knockout games was something that we have never witnessed before from a Pakistan side in a tournament. We generally do an upset or two, but such consistent ruthlessness was something that we could only dream of.
 
More impressive than the 99 World Cup in my view. The format for that World Cup was a forgiving one, we lost to Bangladesh, India and South Africa and barely scraped past a mediocre WI side, but still managed to make it to the final. The highlights of course were the thrilling win over the eventual champions and the thumping of NZ in the semifinal.

However, in this Champions Trophy, the way we battered SA, England and India in knockout games was something that we have never witnessed before from a Pakistan side in a tournament. We generally do an upset or two, but such consistent ruthlessness was something that we could only dream of.

you are right of course, on both counts. had somehow repressed the bangla and india losses. .
 
Imagine them 11 year olds sat at home watching ball by ball by ball with out blinking

There parents introducing the game to them,have a little practice,when pak win a big trophy everyone gets inspired and gets into cricket they join a club,they cry when pak loose they get emotional, cricket is now in there blood and is more then a passion .Some will fail.But some become champions.
 
50,000 children get inspired

15,000 can afford a bat or have a decent income.

6000 go into clubs other children train their younger siblings and make them real good even before they join a club.

About 1,000 continue their passion and play cricket result whilst adjusting there game,watch the stars on TV

100 odd either get picked by a first class team and about 1/2 don't get selected but they continue and 25 of them get selected for grade 2 cricket,

Out of the 50 in major FC teams about 30 will cement places in there respected sides.

Out of them 30 a bunch of 17 players are classed as good,9 With a bit of polish and hard work are intl material,3 or 4 have the potential to become the top draw cricketer
 
For me it was Kohli's dismissal.

I knew that was the game!
 
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