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What will be the future of PML and PPP when they recognize Israel?

A post made by a guy who lives in the UK that created israel and pays taxes to them to kill palestinians
So its my fault. I take full responsibility but why is PK going to recognise a country that has turned Palestine into Swiss cheese? Put your cards on the table and tell us do you agree with a form 47 govt agreeing to something 99% of PKs would disagree with. Let's hear it
 
Alot of crying by the typical posters who are butt hurt that imran is not there to broker things.

Pakistans stance needs to be looked into was it always on the basis of two state recognition or just palestine as a whole. Two state was always going to be a reality, whether anyone likes this or not.

1 state is not possible and if it were to happen, it would happen on the basis of a war where the victor captures the whole land and in that case the result can go either way.

The only problem i see here is Pakistan getting too much involved here and have another problem on its plate.

Funny, how a small country like ours ends up playing as the middle man.
Its not a 2 state solution and this shows your ignorance. The Israelis have no intention of ever letting a viable Palestinian state. Netanyahu has said so on many occasions. The PK people never voted for Munir, SS or any of the criminals, so on whose behalf are they making this commitment. Keeping criminals in power isnt a reason
 
Alot of crying by the typical posters who are butt hurt that imran is not there to broker things.

Pakistans stance needs to be looked into was it always on the basis of two state recognition or just palestine as a whole. Two state was always going to be a reality, whether anyone likes this or not.

1 state is not possible and if it were to happen, it would happen on the basis of a war where the victor captures the whole land and in that case the result can go either way.

The only problem i see here is Pakistan getting too much involved here and have another problem on its plate.

Funny, how a small country like ours ends up playing as the middle man.
This isn't normalisation like UAE Bhrain etc.

It is chance to secure a Palestinian state.

100k Palestinians have died at the hands of this genocidal Israeli regime. If Pakistan can help in anyway then it must.
 
Brother regarding Palestine what other option is there?
I wonder if Israel will really pull of their forces. Plus
This isn't normalisation like UAE Bhrain etc.

It is chance to secure a Palestinian state.

100k Palestinians have died at the hands of this genocidal Israeli regime. If Pakistan can help in anyway then it must.
I agree that there needs to be peace for Palestine so the killing could end.

But pakistan getting involved is dangerous.

The peace wont last, cause gaza and west bank are seperated. And when there is this seperation problems will exist.

It will blow apart and i dont want Pakistan to be standing there when it happens
 
@DeadlyVenom

Two questions, do you think hamas will accept this? And will israel really pull out their forces?
Hamas will accept it, 100k people have died, nobody assisted them apart from Iran. They cannot risk more deaths, they have painted by western and hindu media as some nihilstic maniac group, they have commited massacre but are not like ISIS, the struggle is political, they will disband and lay down arms.

Israel will pull out forces., how long it lasts is unknown.

It is beyond doubt that Pakistan will be pulled into this war at some point if it continues. A nuclear threat to Israel will not be tolerated, it is better for Pakistan also that a deal is done, and that we are in command of Arab army in the region.
 
I think the post May 9th, 2023 crackdown and the Islamabad November 2024 massacre has done the job. Forced the population to save their own asses and accept the status quo without resistance.
 
How exactly is Pakistan involved in this conflict, aside from flattering Trump’s ego for a photo op? Nearly every country would support ending the genocide.
 
Brother regarding Palestine what other option is there?

Here's my response in detail, please read it in full as it's not just about Palestine but also addresses why I have an issue with the way Pak is run.

The biggest and the best liars are people that do not believe in their own lies. They lie, they pretend, they act, & they continually spread their propaganda but they themselves never believe in it. Magicians for example are great liars, they play tricks, mesmerize people, make them believe in magic but they themselves know that it's all just a facade, a trick. They don't get fooled by their own trickery & that is important as they remain rooted in reality & don't get lost in their own illusion.

The reason of that preamble is that the people who control Pakistan believe in their own terrible lies & hence end up overestimating themselves & their abilities. Our overlords truly believe in stuff like Ghazwa e Hind, Imam Mehdi ki foj, Pakistan noor hai, Israel is the primary enemy of Islam & Dajjal will appear from there, etc. Because these people believe in their own lies, they think of themselves as Messiahs & start trudging a path with no control & no rational reasoning.

Ayub, Yahya, Zia, Musharraf, & Asim all have ran Pakistan to the ground because of their policies & no one has ever asked them for any kind of accountability. We cannot continue to be like this anymore, it's just not feasible, we are almost over 250 million people,

Now about Israel & Palestine.

For 80 years our overlords have made people believe that "yahoodis" are the mortal enemies & a dagger inserted into the heart of the Muslim world. They have created mullahs that have poisoned young minds & made people lose all their potential by just focusing on the ideology of hatred. This hate is spread across all spectrums of our society & is politically bipartisan -- PDM/PTI all hate Israel -- & this card has been cashed multiple times in our history with great effect overthrowing governments, slandering politicians, etc.

This & discourses like this have created a generation of people that is devoid of critical reasoning, & rationality & believes in empty loud rhetoric. We as a nation continue to languish at the bottom of the world in almost every field but sadly our nation instead of finding a way out of this turmoil gets their dose of dopamine when someone from the overlords raises a loud anti-israel slogan & we forget everything that is terrible around us.

Now our government after taking everything from these people is saying that Israel is the good guy.

This is a slap on the face of people, it's telling them that you do not matter, never have, & never will. You cannot function as a modern nation like this, you have no moral justification to exist as a nation anymore after you pull a stunt like this. Ask America to be your official overlord, apply to become a colony of theirs, or just sign a pact stating that whatever you order us we will do that. End the cycle of lies so people start thinking on their own & become better human beings.

This is my real plight. I want these overlords to tell my people the truth.



Bonus comment: After having been fortunate enough to travel the world, it's obvious to me that Pakistanis are actually smart & kind people who are literally treated like homeless orphans by our own governments. I just want my people to be treated as people, for them to have some basic human dignity, for someone to make them feel that they are not mindless slaves, that their lives matter, that they are not just a bargaining chip on a great global chessboard, an expendable resource, just petty worthless collateral. Is that too much to ask for?
 
Just looked at the key points Pakistan is getting ready to recognize Israel as soon as Saudi Arabia does. It’s essentially going along with the US and Israeli plan just as the rest of the Arab countries.
 
This isn't normalisation like UAE Bhrain etc.

It is chance to secure a Palestinian state.

100k Palestinians have died at the hands of this genocidal Israeli regime. If Pakistan can help in anyway then it must.
Really? Have you seen what they have taken of the West Bank. The Palestinians cant move around and will have no sort of sovereignty. Its basically the current situation under a different name
 
Then what's the alternative?

We cheer them on as 100k more are lost?
The alternative is for the Arabs to show some teeth by building a proper alliance and using its energy as a stick if the West doesnt agree- afterall Egypt has an army of 1/2mn to fight no one. The cowardly Saudis and the Gulf friends will never do that
 
Here's my response in detail, please read it in full as it's not just about Palestine but also addresses why I have an issue with the way Pak is run.

The biggest and the best liars are people that do not believe in their own lies. They lie, they pretend, they act, & they continually spread their propaganda but they themselves never believe in it. Magicians for example are great liars, they play tricks, mesmerize people, make them believe in magic but they themselves know that it's all just a facade, a trick. They don't get fooled by their own trickery & that is important as they remain rooted in reality & don't get lost in their own illusion.

The reason of that preamble is that the people who control Pakistan believe in their own terrible lies & hence end up overestimating themselves & their abilities. Our overlords truly believe in stuff like Ghazwa e Hind, Imam Mehdi ki foj, Pakistan noor hai, Israel is the primary enemy of Islam & Dajjal will appear from there, etc. Because these people believe in their own lies, they think of themselves as Messiahs & start trudging a path with no control & no rational reasoning.

Ayub, Yahya, Zia, Musharraf, & Asim all have ran Pakistan to the ground because of their policies & no one has ever asked them for any kind of accountability. We cannot continue to be like this anymore, it's just not feasible, we are almost over 250 million people,

Now about Israel & Palestine.

For 80 years our overlords have made people believe that "yahoodis" are the mortal enemies & a dagger inserted into the heart of the Muslim world. They have created mullahs that have poisoned young minds & made people lose all their potential by just focusing on the ideology of hatred. This hate is spread across all spectrums of our society & is politically bipartisan -- PDM/PTI all hate Israel -- & this card has been cashed multiple times in our history with great effect overthrowing governments, slandering politicians, etc.

This & discourses like this have created a generation of people that is devoid of critical reasoning, & rationality & believes in empty loud rhetoric. We as a nation continue to languish at the bottom of the world in almost every field but sadly our nation instead of finding a way out of this turmoil gets their dose of dopamine when someone from the overlords raises a loud anti-israel slogan & we forget everything that is terrible around us.

Now our government after taking everything from these people is saying that Israel is the good guy.

This is a slap on the face of people, it's telling them that you do not matter, never have, & never will. You cannot function as a modern nation like this, you have no moral justification to exist as a nation anymore after you pull a stunt like this. Ask America to be your official overlord, apply to become a colony of theirs, or just sign a pact stating that whatever you order us we will do that. End the cycle of lies so people start thinking on their own & become better human beings.

This is my real plight. I want these overlords to tell my people the truth.



Bonus comment: After having been fortunate enough to travel the world, it's obvious to me that Pakistanis are actually smart & kind people who are literally treated like homeless orphans by our own governments. I just want my people to be treated as people, for them to have some basic human dignity, for someone to make them feel that they are not mindless slaves, that their lives matter, that they are not just a bargaining chip on a great global chessboard, an expendable resource, just petty worthless collateral. Is that too much to ask for?
I agree with you almost word for word here but there is nobody calling Israel the good guys now.

It is a chance to help people escape from one of the most horrible situations ever inflicted on a population.

If nations thought in such ways where they feel slapped in the face then none would ever evolve, the history of the world is faced with horror stories and enemity between populations, but at some point hands are shaken and evolution takes place.
 
The alternative is for the Arabs to show some teeth by building a proper alliance and using its energy as a stick if the West doesnt agree- afterall Egypt has an army of 1/2mn to fight no one. The cowardly Saudis and the Gulf friends will never do that
It's not an alternative since it cannot and will not happen.

This is the best the Palestinians can achieve. They have resisted boldly, nobody helped them with even one bottle of water.

But we cannot expect them to die forever so we can criticise the coward gulf from the comfort of our homes.

They can live, regroup, and flourish inshAllah. Their children will have hopes and aspirations beyond surviving this genocide. Perhaps they will be able to smile and ease their painful memories one day.

I wish this genocidal regime could be decimated, but this is all that is left now.
 
It's not an alternative since it cannot and will not happen.

This is the best the Palestinians can achieve. They have resisted boldly, nobody helped them with even one bottle of water.

But we cannot expect them to die forever so we can criticise the coward gulf from the comfort of our homes.

They can live, regroup, and flourish inshAllah. Their children will have hopes and aspirations beyond surviving this genocide. Perhaps they will be able to smile and ease their painful memories one day.

I wish this genocidal regime could be decimated, but this is all that is left now.
Well let the Palestinians chose in an open election. They have suffered for deacdes but the younger generations in the West have turned on Israel and the Palestinian cause has huge support. You dont understand the Zionist mentality if you think they will give them any chance of a viable state.
 
I agree with you almost word for word here but there is nobody calling Israel the good guys now.

It is a chance to help people escape from one of the most horrible situations ever inflicted on a population.

If nations thought in such ways where they feel slapped in the face then none would ever evolve, the history of the world is faced with horror stories and enemity between populations, but at some point hands are shaken and evolution takes place.

This agreement here btw, is not about ending the conflict, this is overruling & underplaying the suffering of the people of Gaza & taking their right of justice away from them. No time in history zionism has been hated this much & by this many and now Muslim countries are giving Israel a way out of this turmoil. Also, the people facing the genocide & have suffered so much, they literally have no say in all of this when their fate and destiny is being decided.

How would you feel if tomorrow India & USA issue a 20 point agenda for a peace negotiation that dictates Pak but has no say from us and has terms like, de nuclearize, eliminate the army, end all air force, people who give up arms will be allowed to resettle but those who fight will be taken care of, an army of "neutral troops" will patrol the borders, there will be a buffer zone on the eastern side of the country, etc.

The worst, however, is the part that tomorrow the mullahs, journalists on every single channel, & others will be hailing how great of a masterstroke this is from Pakistan & how we have under the leadership of Asim taken the role of being a leader of the world.

"Pakistan ki haan aur naa main dunya k faislay ho rahay, bhai wah".

P.s. read the tweet of Sharif Jr. as he categorically mentions this genocide as "war", (the zionist narrative).
 
The PA will continue to run things, meaning no resistance and no struggle. Isreal will gobble up the rest of Palestine pretty easily. If this is the case then it’s implied that the foreign force will essentially provide security for Israel and they are expected to be anti-Hamas. Interesting to see what happens to Hamas fighters.

On the other hand, the more foreign troops we have in that area the better. Just needs a match to light something and Israel has to contend with other powers instead of a defenceless Palestinian.
 
Who is Shama Junejo? Khwaja claims he doesn't know her but she sits behind him in the PK delegation at the UN.

If it is true that Shehbaz Sharif included her in his team then he has a lot of explaining to do.

I've had a look at this Shama's social media posts and it's glaringly obvious that she is a pro-zionist.

Now I have a question for you. Are you comfortable with any of IK's sons leading PTI and potentially Pakistan in the future?
 
The Palestinians have to accept their situation, which is bitter and hopeless. The world is not going to help them since everyone is scared of the US and the US endlessly supports its darling Israel with no restrictions or limits. If Israel massacred white Christian Americans, the US would still support it. Such is the toxic relationship between the two countries.

However, a day will come, maybe not in our lifetime, when daddy America is no longer supreme and then the wolves will attack. Israel is a tiny country with a tiny population that is surrounded. The Arabs will never forget what has happened, nor will they ever forgive. Then the world will see another genocide. Israel has sealed its fate in blood and nothing lasts forever.
 
The Palestinians have to accept their situation, which is bitter and hopeless. The world is not going to help them since everyone is scared of the US and the US endlessly supports its darling Israel with no restrictions or limits. If Israel massacred white Christian Americans, the US would still support it. Such is the toxic relationship between the two countries.

However, a day will come, maybe not in our lifetime, when daddy America is no longer supreme and then the wolves will attack. Israel is a tiny country with a tiny population that is surrounded. The Arabs will never forget what has happened, nor will they ever forgive. Then the world will see another genocide. Israel has sealed its fate in blood and nothing lasts forever.
Btw, to make it clear, I am not advocating for what I think will happen, as I don’t condone genocide or killing of civilians but people don’t just ignore so much bloodshed and sadly it will only be repaid in kind since that is what humans have done time and again throughout history.
 
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