What would have been the reaction if Pakistani players were involved in #SandPaperGate?

[UN talkz]

Reaction of ICC?
Reaction of PCB?
Reaction of Other Cricketers?
Reaction of Fans?

 

[shokz1408]

ICC - Ban 1-3 games.
PCB - Same as ICC.
Other Cricketers - Should be banned for longer.
Fans - Pakistan again. There's always something going on.

 

[Rafay Shafiq]

Amir, the fixer, is hero. Understand rest...

 

[Syed1]

Certain quarters would be saying ban Pakistan from cricket like they were saying in 2010.

 

[Syed1]

Amir, the fixer, is hero. Understand rest...

Yes he became a hero by winning us a world tournament and redeeming himself. Deal with it.

 

[WengerOut]

Fans - Depending on whether the concerned player is a batsman , bowler or wk , they will mourn about not having the service of potential Bradman, Marshall or Gilchrist.

 

[BlackShadow]

ICC's reaction would be the same.
PCB would express regret and accept ICC's verdict.
Other Cricketers would take this as an opportunity to mock and bash Pakistan's "tampering" culture.
Fans would play victim.

 

[rhony]

The reaction would be muted. There was already a feeling of resignation when Sharjeel was banned. A sense of "what's new?"

 

[Varun]

The PCB would give the player a "life ban" of 2 T20s.

 

[Major]

Pakistan would give fair bans. Unlike CA

 

[shokz1408]

However, I am genuinely not sure of how any country will react to their team ball tampering after this fiasco. I think after what CA have done, there may be similar penalties. But you would have to consider the context, this was so big because it involved a leadership group and was predetermined.

 

[Buffet]

PCB wanted to play fixers after it came in news in the next game despite Eng didn't want those players to play in the next game. That gives you some indication.

About fans, It would have been a mixed reaction. It's mostly a mixed reaction by fans in most countries in current episode.

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Anyway, CA has gone overboard with punishment here. That's not a benchmark for any board. Reaction of other cricketers would have been the same.

 

[rhony]

ICC is mulling over bigger punishments for tampering. CA has shown the way. It was devastating watching Smith though. Hope he gets back to his best in an year.

 

[Barragan]

The icc would have banned the player for 10 matches or so.

There would have been a huge outcry from all quarters of the cricketing globe, saying Pak should be banned permanently.

 

[Godhelpma]

PCB wanted to play fixers after it came in news in the next game despite Eng didn't want those players to play in the next game. That gives you some indication.

About fans, It would have been a mixed reaction. It's mostly a mixed reaction by fans in most countries in current episode.

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Anyway, CA has gone overboard with punishment here. That's not a benchmark for any board. Reaction of other cricketers would have been the same.

Will you mind to share the source of the news that pcb wanted fixers to play the next match after fixing saga ?You can freely bash pcb for the wrongdoings and poor management but don’t blame without evidence .

 

[MMHS]

Reaction of ICC?
Reaction of PCB?
Reaction of Other Cricketers?
Reaction of Fans?

ICC: As per standard procedure; most likely they would have left it to PCB to deal with. However, one thing for sure Umpires & Match Referee would have fined PAK 5 runs to keep it as a record.

PCB: They would have handed much severe punishment for Sethi's press conference (Nothing against NS - read Chairman PCB) - after that appeal, forgive, forget ......... lack of talent, no replacement, national interest ..... "horse trading" - end result is in between somewhere of both extremes. PCB has effectively finished Sharjeel's career for a PSL game, on alleged spot fixing; while entire PCB & PAK with it's volume is putting it's full weight to back up a serial cheat - a deliberate & repetitive chucker, who has no shame and neither self dignity - caught in same disgraceful act multiple times; therefore PCB is the biggest mystery here for me.

Other Cricketers: Ban all those for life, who have defamed our beloved Pakistan; if possible up to next generation. Cheat ka larka cheat hi hota hai ....... Some smarter blocks would have gone a level further - uncomfortable to share dressing room, even training facilities. However, they might not mind playing with or even under the same player, if he can manage to turn the screw and becomes more influential later. For example, I can name one PAK Captain retiring in middle of a series to keep himself "saaf sutra" among "gunehgars", only to come back & play with/under same players .... eventually, being PAK Captain get caught red-handed of plucking a dropped catch and get the batsman out - that too of a minnow in a dead rubber. Similarly another block is now perfectly ok in playing with former convicted fixer, once his own stock has gone down - these are the examples of moral bankruptcy of the highest level.

Fans: More or less mixed, with majority showing a thumbs down. Most people don't think logically and get too carried away - therefore I think, there would have been more calls for blood than mercy. However, there are other extremes as well - kanspiracy, victim card ..... I still can recall that, I was almost man hunted in this forum for a quite innocent opinion - "Once MoHa is called for chucking, Sarfraz shouldn't have used him in remainder of the series. PAK should win 5-0 in any case, but this decision of Sarfraz might hunt PAK team later".

In between, there are definitely few fans, who would have said something like what was said during Sharjeel's case - "bring ICC in it and do exactly what the rule, regulation and law states for the crime - no need to witch hunt, neither dumping dart under carpet".

 

[Savak]

There would be condemnation for 1-3 days but then everyone will move on with life and everyone will be like its no biggie, nothing major happened e.t.c.

 

[Last Monetarist]

We have much bigger things to worry about than baying for the blood of a poor sod who scratches a cricket ball with a foreign object.

 

[Greenstorm]

Misbah would have been recalled and made captain for all three formats to bring stability and nurture shareef bache for next five years.

 

[cricketworm]

Sir! Yeh ho chuka hai

 

[gkb101277867]

There probably wouldn't even be a ban. Pakistan is just coming to terms with accepting the seriousness and consequences of match fixing....ball tampering is much less serious.

I have seen videos of shahid afridi biting the ball on YouTube. I wasn't a big cricket fan then and didn't really follow the sport. What punishment was afridi given?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It would have been a disaster for the game because ball tampering could continue for the other nations on the sly, while the official cheat tag would remain on Pakistan. The good thing about this is that ball tampering can be treated universally rather than just something that can be brushed off as a Pakistani thing. It is similar to Imran Khan's campaign for neutral umpiring which the English and Australians opposed initially, insisting their umpires were above reproach due to their fair and honest nature. But Imran's principled stance prevailed and the game is better for it. Hopefully the same will be true of this in the long run.

 

[carbon11]

Apart from wahab there isn't a Pakistani bowler who can reverse the old ball consistently , wahab is the more consistent one

Gul was there in the past and we had that controversy in England with inzamam and Daryl hair . In 2006 at the oval .

I think Pakistan fast bowlers are squeaky clean , I doubt they would have tampered with the ball under misbah tenure considering what happened with the negativity over the spot fixing

 

[Hasan123]

It would have got a lot of coverage had Pakistan done it.

 

[Markhor]

Ian Botham would've called for a ban on Pakistan cricket. Trump would've tweeted that he was right about Pakistan all along and announce further sanctions.

PCB would've formed a committee to probe the incident and a committee to oversee said committee - both headed by Intikhab Alam.

Life bans would be meted out but then reduced to one drinks interval and then we'd move on to the next controversy.

 

[ManFan]

The reaction would be akin to Pakistani posters on PP if Indian players were caught.

 

[Buffet]

Will you mind to share the source of the news that pcb wanted fixers to play the next match after fixing saga ?You can freely bash pcb for the wrongdoings and poor management but don’t blame without evidence .

It's common knowledge and not sure why you need a source for such things. Anyway, here you go...


ICC chief interview at that time,


Q - What did you try to impress upon the PCB?

Earlier in the week, [we urged them] to do the right thing, which was to not select the players because there were just too many allegations, too much speculation and the public would not have confidence in the players. They [the players] needed the opportunity to clear themselves, so we were throughout the course of the week trying to impress upon them to do the right thing and not involve them in the remainder of the tour, for their own sake. And then on Wednesday night, Mr [Ijaz] Butt was quoted as saying that they were available to play. We realised that if that was indeed the case, we needed to move quicker. We worked quite hard to complete what we needed to do. We were surprised the next morning when they announced the non-selection, but by then we had progressed to a point completing our work.


Q - Ijaz Butt kept reiterating that the players would not be suspended pending inquiries. What caused the change of mind in the space of 12 hours?

Again, when we met with him, we impressed upon him the need to protect the players on one hand, and to protect the integrity of the game on the other hand. The right thing would be to not avail those players for selection.


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If you look at hos PCB chief reacted after fixing issue came in light,


"We have taken it in hand to start our own investigations. We will shortly reveal the names of the people, the parties and the bodies involved in this sinister conspiracy and we also reserve the right to sue them for damages.

"There is loud and clear talk in bookie circles that some English players have taken enormous amounts of money to lose the match [the third ODI]. No wonder there was such a collapse."


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Would any sane board will insist on playing players after fixing news broke? Do you think making up stuff and insinuating that Eng is fixing as well was a way to go for PCB?

ICC had to step in quickly to suspend them otherwise PCB was hell bent on playing fixers and Eng was uncomfortable with having fixers in next games.

 

[HuzaifaE]

Reaction of ICC?
Same tiny wrist slap

Reaction of PCB?
Launch a pointless inquiry which yields nothing. Captain and co. all continue with no resignations or bans

Reaction of Other Cricketers?
Mix of everyone does it and oh Pakistani's ball tampering, you don't say...

Reaction of Fans?
Our fans? Justifying by pointing at Faf and claiming a conspiracy. Other fans? Ah Pakistan, typical

 

[Spectrum]

Fans and former players like Basit Ali will blame Indian involvement as usual. PCB will blame BCCI for doing conspiracy against them and ICC for being biased. Players who caught red handed will get sympathy for their deeds and after 1-2 matches ban they will welcome back to the team with honor.
Only in Pakistan such things can happen.

 

[Itachi]

It becomes significant only when it is a unique occurrence.

Pakistan cricket has a share of scandals in different types of fixing last one of which is rather new. Hence, it will be nothing out of ordinary and hence the global audience will just move ahead giving the opinion, "what's new?"

With the board and the fans, it will depend upon how talented the players is. If he is average, then the punishment will be harsh. If he is talented, the will face lesser punishment.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Fans and former players like Basit Ali will blame Indian involvement as usual. PCB will blame BCCI for doing conspiracy against them and ICC for being biased. Players who caught red handed will get sympathy for their deeds and after 1-2 matches ban they will welcome back to the team with honor.
Only in Pakistan such things can happen.

If only Pakistanis were as fair minded and honest people like you Indians.