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It seems Pakistan is lost at what to do with Umar Akmal. What other countries would have done with Umar Akmal? I am specifically interested in Australia, England, South Africa and India.
 
It doesn't seem Umar has matured at all, for all these years. Other countries would definitely have shut the door of international cricket for him a long time ago.
 
Definitely would have tried him as an opener in Limited over internationals and checked how he would have gone
 
It seems Pakistan is lost at what to do with Umar Akmal. What other countries would have done with Umar Akmal? I am specifically interested in Australia, England, South Africa and India.

Out of the team, with hardly any chance to comeback unless real performances at domestic level.
 
Definitely would have tried him as an opener in Limited over internationals and checked how he would have gone

Umar fails miserably even when he comes to bat during the PP overs. I'd like the PCB to do this though so that UA fans run out of excuses once and for all.
 
he would not be in the team unless he performs extraordinarily for at least a year in the domestic circuit
 
He would have been history from international team and probably lost his place in 1st class cricket too
 
Playing for other countries wouldn't change his work ethics or who he is. If he played for India, he would probably end up as someone like Uthappa, who is pretty much on the same boat.
 
Umar fails miserably even when he comes to bat during the PP overs. I'd like the PCB to do this though so that UA fans run out of excuses once and for all.

India tried this with Rohit Sharma and was successful Pakistan should also try this with Umar.
 
He'd have been dropped and sent back to first class cricket for a long time to sort his game out instead of constantly getting recalled.

If someone like Ali Brown, whose top score in a one day game (268!) is higher than Junior Akmal's first class best, only got 16 international caps then Junior should thank his lucky stars that he was born in Pakistan where the perception of talent is more important than consistent performances.
 
India tried this with Rohit Sharma and was successful Pakistan should also try this with Umar.
Pakistan can try him on A-Team tours not in the national team
he does not belong in the national team right now
 
Umar Akmal is probably Pakistan's biggest loss in the last 5 years. He had everything except discipline and application.

Talent without application is useless.
 
1. Not been dropped from Tests after a glorious start.

2. Invested properly in the top order.
 
lot of polarizing views among Pak fans for Umar Akmal. hope other team fans are more straightforward about him
 
India tried this with Rohit Sharma and was successful Pakistan should also try this with Umar.

Heck even Kohli took his time to find a stable spot in the team!
Raina is no longer in the test set up after having a glorious start to his test career!
 
lot of polarizing views among Pak fans for Umar Akmal. hope other team fans are more straightforward about him

Honestly, he won't find a place in any good team. England would chuck out a whinner like him in a blink if they can chuck out a World Class player like Kevin Pietersen for indiscipline. Australian board doesn't tolerate indiscipline either. BCCI is also not so lenient to that.

Apart from that he doesn't deliver. He would have been given a run of a 5-10 games and thrown back in domestic league unless he set a season of domestic games on fire completely.
 
The above mentioned teams wouldn't have tolerated his horrible work ethic.

Every one can see his attitude if u go through his cricinfo interview
 
Other Indian players who I can think of who suffered a fate that would befall Umar Akmal if he was Indian: Hemang Badani, Dinesh Mongia, Robin Uthappa and at a stretch - Mohammad Kaif.
 
He looks like a 27 year old baby. I know some people mature quite late in their lives and frankly i dont care about his off field childish activities. What is ridiculous is that young 20 year olds , who obviously are immature off the field , show better presence of mind and game awareness than him on the field.
 
Other Indian players who I can think of who suffered a fate that would befall Umar Akmal if he was Indian: Hemang Badani, Dinesh Mongia, Robin Uthappa and at a stretch - Mohammad Kaif.

Raina in tests!
 
Blame the PCB or Misbah all you want, but Umar Akmal has never shown 100% commitment or full desire to succeed at the highest level. He's also never accepted his mistakes.

Rizwan maybe a dud as a batsman, but his fitness is prolific. He's probably the best fielder in the team right now. He even said he was rightly dropped from the t20 WC squad. This shows that a guy is willing to learn and has the right attitude.

Akmal is overweight now and never accepts his mistake. Is that the right attitude?

Not saying that Rizwan>Akmal as a player, but with Rizwan's attitude, Akmal could've performed better than he currently has.
 
One of my friends asked me this question in 2010
in early 2010, an indian friend of mine asked me about UA and Virat and by then I have seen very little of Virat and he had seen little more of UA and

I told him that right now, Umar seems to be more talented of the two but Virat has all the spark that I look for in a player and great players have and I (back then) told him that in 5 years of time, Virat would end up being a better/polished batsman than UA

as Virat's team/management/captain would utilize his talent and even if he fails a bit, they will persist with him and give him the opportunities and batting spot that he deserves and he would end up being better player than UA
.....My friend told me that he didnt agree with me as he thought UA has more strokes, better front and back foot attack than Virat....but I kept on insisting what I believed in.....we are only about two years into my statement and he is currently gone to India...But I bet when he comes back he will tell that I was right with my assessment.
 
Glance through this thread and you would see the full spectrum of excuses that his apologists use.


No other nation would have allowed a batsman of Akmal's caliber to play more than 50-60 matches. He is simply not good enough.


Add to his lack of ability, his careless attitude and pathetic fitness.


Akmal should seriously start thinking about an alternate source of income right about now.
 
Glance through this thread and you would see the full spectrum of excuses that his apologists use.


No other nation would have allowed a batsman of Akmal's caliber to play more than 50-60 matches. He is simply not good enough.


Add to his lack of ability, his careless attitude and pathetic fitness.


Akmal should seriously start thinking about an alternate source of income right about now.

lol, according to Akmal's fans if Junior can find the right people who can tell him what he needs to do at each step of his innings and career he will unleash the kind of batting never seen before.

The guy is mentally incapable of understanding why fitness is important and said if he loses weight he will lose power. You need to be a special kind of 'smart' to think that way.
 
lol, according to Akmal's fans if Junior can find the right people who can tell him what he needs to do at each step of his innings and career he will unleash the kind of batting never seen before.

The guy is mentally incapable of understanding why fitness is important and said if he loses weight he will lose power. You need to be a special kind of 'smart' to think that way.

I think Akmal needs a strategic timeout before facing each delivery.
 
He may have developed better but I still think he wouldn't have fulfilled his potential. The guy is just too dumb. Read his recent interview with cricinfo, he's in denial with regards to how his fitness is as well as blaming others for his downfalls. Some of the comments he made there just epitomise his lack of intelligence and with his attitude no matter which system he'd be in he would never fulfil his potential.
 
Give him a fair chance at 3/4 and if kept failing, they'd drop him and he'd actually have to perform in domestic cricket to be recalled.

Akmal has never been given a fair chance, give him a couple of series at 4, not just one.
That being said, based on his recent performances and current performance in the PSL, I wouldn't select him for the WI tour and I say that as a fan but we also have no other options.
 
How can any board tolerate statements like i am fit when he is not and give excuses like i will lose power if i reduce my weight.

He even dissed other players saying what is the use of fitness if u cannot clear inner circle
 
It seems Pakistan is lost at what to do with Umar Akmal. What other countries would have done with Umar Akmal? I am specifically interested in Australia, England, South Africa and India.

should have sent him back to play club cricket he is hopeless and useless
 
Heck even Kohli took his time to find a stable spot in the team!
Raina is no longer in the test set up after having a glorious start to his test career!
you are Indian but don't even know Kohli

after his first 105 ODI innings he was already a superstar, he had scored 14 100s, and was averaging 48, scored 4378 runs
cricinfo link

now look at Umar Akmal, he has played 105 ODI innings in his career, and averaging 34 with 2 100s, just 3044 runs, his last 50 came a year ago, after tht he has played 10 innings and failed to score even one 50
cricinfo link
:yk3
 
He would either start performing or he would have been out till the time he doesn't starts performing.... He needs to talk to some people who can give him some advice. Virat went to tendulkar and he told him about his hip position and the foot position after England series. He has developed brilliantly after that. Umar needs to work hard in nets. Also I think playing county would help him instead of t20 leagues. And last thing, he would not be unfit if he was in some of the sides you mentioned.

Umar also has knack of blaming PCB for not picking him, instead he should look at it as an opportunity to improve. I was recently reading an interview of dhawan. He said it was right decision that he was dropped as he was not consistent enough. And he was working in it now, it was an opportunity for him to improve. Pakistani players all the time whine about not getting picked. They also get overweight during the course.

Also PCB should find a bunch of 20-25 players domestically and they should stick with those players for about 1-2 years consistently. They won't win much but after some time once the core of team is set and they know that they won't be dropped, they will play for Pakistan rather than playing for themselves. Everytime I see an innings from most Pakistani batsman they seem to be playing for their place except for some like azhar, Babar, Sarfaraz etc because they know they are the core of the team.
 
you are Indian but don't even know Kohli

after his first 105 ODI innings he was already a superstar, he had scored 14 100s, and was averaging 48, scored 4378 runs
cricinfo link

now look at Umar Akmal, he has played 105 ODI innings in his career, and averaging 34 with 2 100s, just 3044 runs, his last 50 came a year ago, after tht he has played 10 innings and failed to score even one 50
cricinfo link
:yk3

Kohli was not a regular feature in the team right away. He had flaws and he was made to correct those to find a place in the team. After his debut in 2008, his next game was after one year. Not like Umar Akmal going in and out every other series. Akmal has been allowed in the time despite very visible flaws in his playstyle at the very early stage and he never improved.

I am Indian and I know about my team :kohli
 
They would have kicked out Umar Akmal aka Chris Martin in 2011
 
Kohli was not a regular feature in the team right away. He had flaws and he was made to correct those to find a place in the team. After his debut in 2008, his next game was after one year. Not like Umar Akmal going in and out every other series. Akmal has been allowed in the time despite very visible flaws in his playstyle at the very early stage and he never improved.

I am Indian and I know about my team :kohli
first of all they don't belong in the same sentence
second of all after same number of matches, Kohli is miles ahead, whereas Umar still bang average after playing so many matches
the main thing is the mentality, at this stage Umar Akmal's mentality is the opposite of Kohli's, so don't bother arguing
 
at times i feel that the only scoring shots that he has are high risk shots. which come off once in three shots but fail more often leading to soft dismissals.

rarely see him dominate a bowler through proper cricketing shots, or through intelligent cricket.

do not think that he would be anywhere close to selection in half the test playing countries especially the top 5 in odi and test cricket. maybe teams below the rank 6 will find him useful if he doubled up as a keeper.

think he has regressed way too much as a batsman since the time he made his debut. not world class these days and barely pakistan class atm.
 
From his first test to his last, Umar had the highest average of any player in that period. Hence it was stupid to drop him despite his faults, especially given he had played one test in Asia.

That and dropping him from the CT and 2015 tour of SA despite him being our top ranked player was excessive given we had the likes of Team Man, Techinie and Legend Farhat wandering around]


Everything else has been his fault and ultimately despite the injustice when it came to tests he has to look at himself.

Domestically he used to average above 50 now its close to 40 in first class
 
There is no way he would have played as many matches as he has done for Pakistan.

The Aussies would have kicked him out even from club cricket.
 
In other countries there just wouldn't be an Umar Akmal... in whichever form and by this I mean past, present or future.
 
He has said countless times, that he feels comfortable at no. 3 or 4 and wants to bat there, but was hardly given a chance.

He broke into the top 10 ODI rankings, since the days of M. Yousuf for Pak and as luck would have it, he was a young batsman in his early 20's.

Despite that, batsmen ranked way below him at 30's, 40's or whatever were batting above him.

He was averaging around 40, but there were batsmen with averages in their low 30's still above him.

As for Tests, he has an away average of 37 and that too as someone in his early 20's, but he didn't even get a chance in Asia.

What would other teams with a batsman in the top 10 ODI rankings, average around 40's in ODI's, Test average of 37 on away tours and in his early 20's have done with him?

One thing is for sure, Pak threw that batsman in the gutter and wasted him.
 
I am a fan of his. I guess he needs a right mentor/captain

Was Kambli missing a mentor in India back then?
Kambli, a bigger talent than Tendulkar didn't achieve anything, Akmal would have done exactly like him had he played for India.IF you are messed up at top, then you are bound to fail!
 
He has zero understanding of the game. So would be kept far away from internationals.
 
If Umar wasn't so stupid, he probably would have developed in a proper setup.

But reality is that Umar is terribly stupid. So it doesn't matter which setup he is part of. He wouldn't have had an international career.

Would have been a good T20 league player though.
 
Definitely would have tried him as an opener in Limited over internationals and checked how he would have gone

Umar has literally never played as an opener- not at any level

I don't know why people think he'd be successful at a position he's never played at.

Umar Akmal has clearly shown he doesn't have either the capacity or the will (or both) to learn from his mistakes and to work on his game

He should have been dropped permanently years ago
 
Umar has literally never played as an opener- not at any level

I don't know why people think he'd be successful at a position he's never played at.

Umar Akmal has clearly shown he doesn't have either the capacity or the will (or both) to learn from his mistakes and to work on his game

He should have been dropped permanently years ago

Should be tried at the top. If that fails, then it's game over.
 
Umar could have better success as opener.

Allows him to loft the ball over the in-circle.

Doesn't need to use his brains as much.

Its worth a shot. Not like Pakistan has lots of great opening bats anyway.

But dunno if Umar is wants to open.
 
Umar could have better success as opener.

Allows him to loft the ball over the in-circle.

Doesn't need to use his brains as much.

Its worth a shot. Not like Pakistan has lots of great opening bats anyway.

But dunno if Umar is wants to open.

I think he wants to bat at 3 or 4. Also in terms of opening I think the next in line are, Shazaib, Kamran,Shehzad, and Fakhar. I would be surprised if one of these four isn't selected for the West Indies Odis. Don't see Umar as an option.
 
Which Akmal is OP talking about here? Chota Akmal from 09-13? or Talunt from 13-17?
 
Umar has literally never played as an opener- not at any level

I don't know why people think he'd be successful at a position he's never played at.

Umar Akmal has clearly shown he doesn't have either the capacity or the will (or both) to learn from his mistakes and to work on his game

He should have been dropped permanently years ago

He has actually. He has even opened with Ahmed Shehzad at u-19 level.

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/131/131271.html

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/131/131262.html

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/131/131253.html

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/131/131241.html

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/131/131233.html

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/154/154785.html

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/154/154784.html

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/154/154782.html


And you said he literally has never played as a specialist opener? Umar Akmal and Ahmed Shehzad wreaked havoc in some matches there. A partnership over sr 200!

This guy will always be inconsistent because he just isn't intelligent enough for the highest level of the game. But yea he has opened and played some Afridi like innings at the top.
 
Umar has literally never played as an opener- not at any level

I don't know why people think he'd be successful at a position he's never played at.

Umar Akmal has clearly shown he doesn't have either the capacity or the will (or both) to learn from his mistakes and to work on his game

He should have been dropped permanently years ago

Here is even a video of Umar Akmal opening the batting with Ahmed Shehzad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--BYGq1Ce94

note: I am not saying that he should open, but someone claimed that he has no experience whatsoever at that position while he used to bat a lot at that position alongside Ahmed Shehzad.
 
Wouldn't have made it in any top team. Because of his attacking instinct, he would have been played as a pinch-hitting opener and he would done better than he did in Pakistan, but eventually he would have been discarded because all of the big teams have superior players than him.

He is no better than Sharma, Rahul, de Kock, Warner, Rossouw, Roy, Guptill, etc., so he would have been nothing more than a fringe player in those countries.
 
He has actually. He has even opened with Ahmed Shehzad at u-19 level.

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/131/131271.html

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/131/131262.html

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/131/131253.html

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/131/131241.html

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/131/131233.html

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/154/154785.html

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/154/154784.html

http://www.pcboard.com.pk/Pakistan/Scorecards/154/154782.html


And you said he literally has never played as a specialist opener? Umar Akmal and Ahmed Shehzad wreaked havoc in some matches there. A partnership over sr 200!

This guy will always be inconsistent because he just isn't intelligent enough for the highest level of the game. But yea he has opened and played some Afridi like innings at the top.

That is some seriously interesting insight. What on earth possessed Pakistan to move him into the middle order? The guy plays his shots, so obviously give him a hard ball with the field up to do so and you're using his natural talent in the best way possible. As you can see from some of the scorecards once Akmal gets going there's no way back for the opposition.
 
They shouldn't have asked him to "mature". Playing aggressively when you are naturally aggressive should be the way to go. He performed the best, played a few lone warrior type innings when he wasn't asked to "mature".
He should play the game his way. The emotional abuse he has been getting all these years has taken its toll.
Whenever Sharjeel is(was) out of form I hear same responses and cries for him to mature.
 
I don't see what the issue is. He's not going to be an ATG, that ship has sailed years ago. However, he's still a good LOI player and should bat for Pakistan at #4 in both formats. Comparable players like Raina, Duminy, Maxwell, Morgan, etc have had long careers for their countries in ODIs and Akmal should as well.
 
Was Kambli missing a mentor in India back then?
Kambli, a bigger talent than Tendulkar didn't achieve anything, Akmal would have done exactly like him had he played for India.IF you are messed up at top, then you are bound to fail!

I always hear this that Kambli was was a bigger talent than Tendulkar which was absolutely rubbish.he scored couple of double hundreds against pop-gun attacks in India and that is it.he had serious problem against short pitch stuff and once west indies bowlers found that out even in indian pitches he was a gonner.He never had the skill or talent which Sachin possessed
 
Dhoni would have groomed him as a finisher and would have knocked some sense into his head. What a waste of talent
 
I always hear this that Kambli was was a bigger talent than Tendulkar which was absolutely rubbish.he scored couple of double hundreds against pop-gun attacks in India and that is it.he had serious problem against short pitch stuff and once west indies bowlers found that out even in indian pitches he was a gonner.He never had the skill or talent which Sachin possessed

Doesn't matter, coz he ended up achieving nothing, and you don't need to be as talented as Tend or lara to achieve something.
 
Dhoni would have groomed him as a finisher and would have knocked some sense into his head. What a waste of talent

So dhoni would have been able to groom him as a finisher, something misbah and flower couldn't do even though they were able to transform asad and Azhar into world class batters.
 
So dhoni would have been able to groom him as a finisher, something misbah and flower couldn't do even though they were able to transform asad and Azhar into world class batters.

Asad and Azhar are crappy ODI batsmen. Misbah himself was an average ODI batter. UA would have been a regular ODI finisher instead of a slogger if he was under Dhoni. As far as tests go, I don;t think UA has the temperament.
 
Asad and Azhar are crappy ODI batsmen. Misbah himself was an average ODI batter. UA would have been a regular ODI finisher instead of a slogger if he was under Dhoni. As far as tests go, I don;t think UA has the temperament.

UA is not a finisher, the only slot he can do well is opening.And it doesn't matter in which format Azhar and Asad did well, fact remains that the coaches and Misbah were able to polish them, whereas all the coaches had issues with UA.
 
UA is not a finisher, the only slot he can do well is opening.And it doesn't matter in which format Azhar and Asad did well, fact remains that the coaches and Misbah were able to polish them, whereas all the coaches had issues with UA.

That's the biggest failure of Misbah and Coaches. If they believed that UA has to bat down the order, they should have inspired and sold him the idea. He's clearly dissatisifed and always complains. If UA is really a great prospect at the top order, they failed misrably because they couldn't identify that
 
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That's the biggest failure of Misbah and Coaches. If they believed that UA has to bat down the order, they should have inspired and sold him the idea. He's clearly dissatisifed and always complains. If UA is really a great prospect at the top order, they failed misrably because they couldn't identify that

Yes they failed at that, but they are not the only one who are to be blamed as UA is the biggest culprit himself.Even if he is given a run at top of the order he's likely to fail as he refuses to learn.
A captain or coach can only help a player who is willing to learn, unfortunately umar isn't such a player.
 
In India, we wouldn't have had to do much, because a lot of his sense of self-importance would have been straightened out naturally because he'd be among equals and several superior players.

One of my friends asked me this question in 2010

Several of my friends seemed to rate Umar very highly back then ahead of Kohli. Seems to have been an Indian malaise.

No proof, but I always put Kohli ahead :)
 
Definitely would have tried him as an opener in Limited over internationals and checked how he would have gone

He has shown absolutely no technique or temperament for that. Every team uses a specialize opener or their best player
 
UA is not a finisher, the only slot he can do well is opening.And it doesn't matter in which format Azhar and Asad did well, fact remains that the coaches and Misbah were able to polish them, whereas all the coaches had issues with UA.

How do you know he will do well opening? He cannot pick the gaps, cannot keep the balls down. His slog shots are predictable and the opposition will always have fielders for that even in the opening overs. He gets frusturated immediately and cannot leave good balls. Where is this myth of Umar being a good opener coming from? Heck even players like AB and Kohli avoid opening as much as possible
 
How do you know he will do well opening? He cannot pick the gaps, cannot keep the balls down. His slog shots are predictable and the opposition will always have fielders for that even in the opening overs. He gets frusturated immediately and cannot leave good balls. Where is this myth of Umar being a good opener coming from? Heck even players like AB and Kohli avoid opening as much as possible

Doing well comparatively to what he's doing down the order, but like i said earlier he will even fail at that.
 
Chota Akmal is not even half the batsman he was in 2010. He reminds me of Vinod Kambli.

Right ! There were so many brats we have seen , right from Warner to Virat kohli... These all are forced to understand that talent alone is not enough... Something more is needed than just playing glory shots... Discipline is needed to survive..
The other thing that I find odd is with PCB criticizing and giving statements regarding the behaviour of players openly in the press and print media, which is absolutely rubbish and not needed... If you look at BCCI for example , they have never ever talked abt Virat behaviour openly even when he was at his peak showing middle fingers in Australia... PCB has to learn groom talents , they have just forgotten in middle of all politics and stuffs I beleive.
 
Bangladesh has a player like junior. He single handedly beat one of the all time greatest ODI team. I never saw any right hander give Murali as him in SL. Junior has not done any of those. But like Junior he has poor work ethics and being in a poor team, he thought himself indispensable. Still he was drop once Bangladesh got player less talented but more mature, intelligent. Then came issue of fixing in domestic and he is history now. The name of player Ashraful
 
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