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He is supremely talented but he has a poor work ethic and poor attitude towards fitness. He wasn't managed well at times but honestly he has to take some responsibility for some of his performances.
 
He is supremely talented but he has a poor work ethic and poor attitude towards fitness. He wasn't managed well at times but honestly he has to take some responsibility for some of his performances.

So what exactly is the your definition of "supremely talented"? He can't bat, can't field, no fitness, what talent you and Misbah see in him ??
 
Now I know why he runs away from foreign tours... He's fit to play at home but somehow manages to get injured before away tours...
 
His Knee problems have affected his footwork. He has clearly has a very lazy work ethic and approach to fitness which is why he will end up being an underachiever
 
His Knee problems have affected his footwork. He has clearly has a very lazy work ethic and approach to fitness which is why he will end up being an underachiever

Simple for him. White ball cricket yes, red ball no. In my eyes he should retire from tests for his health.
 
He is becoming another walking wicket. Time to move. He was never that good to start with
 
I'm really frustrated with him - lazy attitude and poor fitness. Look at the way he has been batting in recent times. Doesnt even seem to care. He no longer deserves to play for our national team. Should be replaced with someone like Saud Shakeel.
 
I remember back in wc 2015 watching him live vs Aus

He was by far the best batsman on the team with unbelievable time to play shots.

Only got out cos he got tired after scoring around 40 runs like usual.
 
Haris Sohail's Test record, with 1 week left until he is 32 years old.

IN ASIA: 658 runs in 10 Tests, average 43.11.
OUTSIDE ASIA: 174 runs in 6 Tests, average 17.40.

If you're interested, he has played 5 Tests alongside Faheem Ashraf, all outside Asia. So against the same bowlers, on the same pitches, with the same balls:

HARIS SOHAIL: 166 runs in 9 innings, average 20.75
FAHEEM ASHRAF: 296 runs in 9 innings, average 32.89
 
Lazy footwork. Cant play horizontal bat shots. And an uninspiring demeanor in the field
 
Sorry to say his time seems to be up. This type of lethargy does not belong in international cricket. He thinks he is Inzimam, he is not, not even close. Him and Shan both showing the same loserish mentality.
 
Sadly he looks like a walking wicket at the moment. Short of confidence, no footwork and no runs.

He's had his struggles over the years with injuries and fitness, but at the moment he looks like he's really under pressure.

What's happened to him?
 
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Sadly he looks like a walking wicket at the moment. Short of confidence, no footwork and no runs.

He's had his struggles over the years with injuries and fitness, but at the moment he looks like he's really under pressure.

What's happened to him?

His technique isn't good enough against the moving ball. If you look at how he stands before the delivery is pitched, his chest is usually facing towards mid-off and sometimes even closer. He gets squared up much easier than he should, and it doesn't help when he has no footwork.

In the past, he used to move his feet well and that would prevent him from squaring up, but the lack of runs and confidence has reduced that as well.

In England, he was prone to nicking the ball in a particular length after getting squared up, and Australia exploited that as well. It might have been that he tried to fix that aspect by being aggressive at balls outside the off stump, but it hasn't worked at all.

He needs to go back into domestic and get his bearings right, because the last thing we need is a walking wicket.
 
Injuries and not playing enough FC cricket.

He needs a full FC season or maybe two to get back into his groove.

You can't turn up to the highest level of cricket without much practice and expect to perform.
 
His technique isn't good enough against the moving ball. If you look at how he stands before the delivery is pitched, his chest is usually facing towards mid-off and sometimes even closer. He gets squared up much easier than he should, and it doesn't help when he has no footwork.

In the past, he used to move his feet well and that would prevent him from squaring up, but the lack of runs and confidence has reduced that as well.

In England, he was prone to nicking the ball in a particular length after getting squared up, and Australia exploited that as well. It might have been that he tried to fix that aspect by being aggressive at balls outside the off stump, but it hasn't worked at all.

He needs to go back into domestic and get his bearings right, because the last thing we need is a walking wicket.

I actually feel he stands side on a little. He should have a more open stance to open up the off side. He needs to take off stump guard and leave more often, ATM he's just playing deliveries that should be left alone as he is side on.
 
lack of practice , when was the last time he played 3 fc games in a row. You cant just go out there and pile up runes.
 
He has some problems with commitment as well. Yes, it is a personal decision to opt out of the England tour earlier this year but it does speak volumes about his mindset and commitment
 
Yes. Lack of match practise is clearly evident here. Didn't play warm up match and skipped England tour. I'm unsure if he played any QEA games either. He's barely played any cricket in 2020. He desperately needs some match practise.

New Zealand away series is one of the most difficult places to go especially when you've not even been playing any matches. I still can't believe he didn't play the warm up match.
 
Yes. Lack of match practise is clearly evident here. Didn't play warm up match and skipped England tour. I'm unsure if he played any QEA games either. He's barely played any cricket in 2020. He desperately needs some match practise.

New Zealand away series is one of the most difficult places to go especially when you've not even been playing any matches. I still can't believe he didn't play the warm up match.

He has only played t20s and odis , he needed to play at least the practice games in Shaheens. He didnt play quaide azam trophy either


last 6 test matches

7 innings , 87 runs @ 12.

and he managed to get into double figures only once in these 2 years.
 
Fitness, injury record and lack of cricket have hurt Haris Sohail, despite the fact other middle order batters have performed well. Its not going to be surprising when Babar Azam takes his spot against South Africa.
 
He seems to have the look of a Marcus Trescothick or Jonathan Trott when they didn't want to play international cricket anymore. He should not play in the South Africa test series and be asked seriously if he wants to play for Pakistan then show the desire and fitness.
 
He seems to have the look of a Marcus Trescothick or Jonathan Trott when they didn't want to play international cricket anymore. He should not play in the South Africa test series and be asked seriously if he wants to play for Pakistan then show the desire and fitness.

I think he's a good enough player but its such a shame about his laziness and his attitude towards fitness.
We should invest in Hussain Talat as he is much younger and can bowl dibbly doblies too.
 
Looks lethargic and awful at the crease. He bats like he has so much credit in the bank that the rules of hard graft don't apply to him. Has one innings to save an underwhelming career.
 
Sadly he looks like a walking wicket at the moment. Short of confidence, no footwork and no runs.

He's had his struggles over the years with injuries and fitness, but at the moment he looks like he's really under pressure.

What's happened to him?
He’s scored less than 1,000 First Class runs ACROSS SIX YEARS since 2014.

Why would anyone expect him to score runs against a slip cordon outside Asia?
 
Should be sent back to domestic cricket ASAP , ready made replacement in Kamran Ghulam , I think his free ride is up & Misbah has a few questions to answer as to why he persisted with a player who has looked awful for a long time , same goes for Shan & Abid
 
Haris had a terrific WC but nosedived from there. He was selected for T20s by Misbah in 2019 which's his worst format, and that bad form continued into Tests.

His footwork and judgment outside offstump has really deteroriated. His fitness has always been suspect and now with Saud Shakeel, Usman Salahuddin and Kamran Ghulam knocking on the door you feel Haris's time is up barring a 2nd innings miracle.
 
Sad to see his decline, talent wise i consider him equal to Babar..
 
needs to go back to domestic and play a full season....

still is the 2nd best batsmen in our lineup (my opinion) ... hope he can regain his confidence back
 
He saw a ghost last time he came to New Zealand. Maybe that ghost is still haunting him.
 
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Probably seen ghosts and churrails in the ball coming towards him on the pitch.

I would rather bat Shaheen Shah Afridi at 4 instead of him right now.
 
With Kamran, Saud, Talat and Saluhuddin knocking at the door you'd think that the 2nd innings might be his last chance to ever play test cricket.

Maybe that's the firework he needs?
 
I don;t think injuries can be given an excuse for his pathetic performance over the years.

He is not a sportsman, no sense of fitness which is primary job of any sportsman. Just by looking at him, you get the impression of a person who hates gym, exercise and food restriction . Fitness standard in Pakistan team is already lowest among all the cricketing nation and Harris is the most unfit in Pak team and probably out of all the FC cricketers in Pakistan.

Even during his batting , his slow reflexes are big problem when he playa a short outside the off stump with making a proper foot movement or playing a short pitch rising delivery.

He can score some runs, in slow and low, Pakistani wickets against a medium pacer but not beyond that.

There are at least 15 batsmen in Pakistan who can perform better than him ATM.

Yes, Shaan and Abid also need to be replaced but Haris should be the first one to go.

Age fudging is also a problem, every Pakistan cricketer does it. When Harris was " 23 year old", he looked much older, and now he is much older than 31.
 
He’s scored less than 1,000 First Class runs ACROSS SIX YEARS since 2014.

Why would anyone expect him to score runs against a slip cordon outside Asia?

Pakistani selection is based 100% on reputation
 
Sad to see his decline, talent wise i consider him equal to Babar..

Probably re-evaluate your opinion then. He has nothing on Babar. He has never performed in Tests outside Asia. His technique is bad, he opens the face of the bat whenever he plays outside off stump and has no awareness of his off-stump. His game again good quality spin is also poor and he gets into a shell quite often. He does not have the class Babar has. Babar is a world class Batsman and very few in the world are on par with his class, let alone Pakistan.
 
Never had the technique worthy of test cricketer and its getting worse with time. Opposition bowlers must be licking lips only by watching his stance nd bat flow.
He doesn't know i guess that in New Zealand you play woth straight bat down the ground or horizontal bat shots square off the pitch
 
I think he's a good enough player but its such a shame about his laziness and his attitude towards fitness.
We should invest in Hussain Talat as he is much younger and can bowl dibbly doblies too.

Replacing Haris Sohail with Hussain Talat would not be such a bad move, but Hussain Talat needs to get his batting average a little bit higher to be considered for that middle order role. At the moment, he's averaging 35 and that's not good enough.

Someone like Saud Shakeel is a better replacement player who can really strengthen that middle-order batting so the pressure is alleviated from Rizwan and the tail.

I think that Haris is still in the ODI plans, but as far as test matches are concerned, his place in the team is finished.

Should look to create a team like:

Abid Ali (Shan's time is up, and Abid looked much better today.)
Usman Salahuddin
Kamran Ghullam
Babar Azam
Saud Shakeel
Mohammad Rizwan
Faheem Ashraf
Zafar Gohar
Hasan Ali
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Naseem Shah
 
Replacing Haris Sohail with Hussain Talat would not be such a bad move, but Hussain Talat needs to get his batting average a little bit higher to be considered for that middle order role. At the moment, he's averaging 35 and that's not good enough.

Someone like Saud Shakeel is a better replacement player who can really strengthen that middle-order batting so the pressure is alleviated from Rizwan and the tail.

I think that Haris is still in the ODI plans, but as far as test matches are concerned, his place in the team is finished.

Should look to create a team like:

Abid Ali (Shan's time is up, and Abid looked much better today.)
Usman Salahuddin
Kamran Ghullam
Babar Azam
Saud Shakeel
Mohammad Rizwan
Faheem Ashraf
Zafar Gohar
Hasan Ali
Shaheen Shah Afridi
Naseem Shah

Azhar??
Fawad??
Abbas??
Yasir??
 
He was hyped to the moon and back.

Always had poor fitness and injuries even in domestic when he used to play before getting selected for Pakistan and that just carried on when he was in the side.

Has not made any improvements and steadily has gone into decline and clearly shows no interest in getting rid of that bulging belly and get the legs and thighs leaner either which has caused him injuries after injuries.

Does not move his feet, looks quite aloof most of the times when he walks in or in the field as well as most of his team mates lacks game awareness.
 
Sadly he looks like a walking wicket at the moment. Short of confidence, no footwork and no runs.

He's had his struggles over the years with injuries and fitness, but at the moment he looks like he's really under pressure.

What's happened to him?

What happened? What was glossed over in ENG 2018 because he scored some 30s got found out over time in AUS and NZD.

He managed to not tour SAF and ENG (2020) otherwise this thread may not have existed. Let’s see if he post a herculean figure in the 2nd innings. Personally, the guy looks uninterested. He’s the butt of all laziness related jokes in PCB videos, etc.
 
Azhar??
Fawad??
Abbas??
Yasir??

That's a long term team plan. It's on the assumption that Azhar Ali retires within the next two years.

Fawad will have reached past his ceiling by then, but if he's still performing, then he can easily still be on the team.

Abbas has lost too much pace. His SR is in the 90s, and that's pathetic for a pacer. He only looks threatening up front, but offers nothing once the ball is old. The likes of Blundell stand outside the crease and make him completely ineffective. Either he brings his pace up or we should look past him.

Yasir Shah got dropped today, and hopefully Zafar can take wickets and claim the spot on the team. He's old, and frankly, he's useless overseas. I'd keep him for Asian matches just to bowl on turners and destroy touring teams, but taking him on tours overseas is a mistake.
 
So what exactly is the your definition of "supremely talented"? He can't bat, can't field, no fitness, what talent you and Misbah see in him ??

Stroke making ability, can play proper cricketing shots against pace and spin, and has a solid technique.

It's not my fault he didn't live upto the hype.
 
Amazing catch - so Haris awake it seems!

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And we kept Usman Slahuddin out of test team for 2-3 years for this useless and unfit player.
 
He seems to have the look of a Marcus Trescothick or Jonathan Trott when they didn't want to play international cricket anymore. He should not play in the South Africa test series and be asked seriously if he wants to play for Pakistan then show the desire and fitness.

An unfair comparison. Trott and Trescothick played a lot of cricket in a short space of time, England have packed itenaries but Sohail has barely played at all. Not fit at this level and should be dropped for good.
 
And we kept Usman Slahuddin out of test team for 2-3 years for this useless and unfit player.

Haris is badly out of form and needs to get his act together. However, Usman Salahuddin is average at best.
 
The heat is on......1 innings to go on this tour and Usman Salahuddin, Saud Shakeel and Kamran Ghulam all breathing down his neck.
 
The heat is on......1 innings to go on this tour and Usman Salahuddin, Saud Shakeel and Kamran Ghulam all breathing down his neck.

I don't understand his dismissals have been brainless to say the least. The last dismissal was especially lazy. I don't know how you merit a recall without playing any domestic cricket and the practise game. A selfish selection if they knew he had an injury.
 
Our new crop of player have no desire/hunger for runs and doing good for the country (When in front of Microphone/social media they are all talk).

Yes you can name players from domestic who pile on runs but there is a clear difference between our upcoming talent and other teams. For some reason our players dont go the extra mile and become good-->great-->greatest.

They like to call themselves mediocre players the least. Abid Ali is one name, what he has done so far? Shan Masood? a 60+ score and start calling them the greatest innings..lol
 
I can’t believe we let Usman Salahuddin get to the ripe old age of 30 before giving him a shot....

What is this new trend of giving batsmen a debut after the age of 30? Does Misbah think everyone should debut late like he has? What the hell is going on?

23-28 is prime age for debuting a batsman, after 32 your reflexes fade, so he’s expecting 2 years of service from them?
 
I think Haris is done now. He is low on confidence, and moving his bat at a snail's pace. He is done!
 
Stroke making ability, can play proper cricketing shots against pace and spin, and has a solid technique.

It's not my fault he didn't live upto the hype.

Do not agree with the technique part. Has a good eye and that's kind of where it stops. Plays far from his body without feet movement and has a tendency to drive aerially (catchable height) through covers etc apart from the usual streakiness through the cordon. Do not even need to broach the fitness, discipline, work ethic stuff.

Poor technique against movement and bounce, got found out against ENG (2018) and AUS (2019). Managed to not tour SAF and then avoided ENG (2020). The thematic symmetry underlying what we are observing in NZD could have been made apparent back then.

If he scores more than 30 today it may come back to bite PAK in the posterior over the next few years.
 
Haris is an awful player of bounce. This should be the end for him in Test match cricket.
 
Have backed Haris but I am afraid it's time for him to go from tests.
 
Tests yes but in odis he still has a place.

And God forbid shpuld any of those ODI tracks have a few inches of extra bounce? What if the games are AUS or SAF?

It is part changes like these instead of sweeping reforms due to which we keep having to “revamp” every few years with alarming regularity.

This should be it for him.
 
And God forbid shpuld any of those ODI tracks have a few inches of extra bounce? What if the games are AUS or SAF?

It is part changes like these instead of sweeping reforms due to which we keep having to “revamp” every few years with alarming regularity.

This should be it for him.

Seems like you haven't seen him in the world Cup or new zealand or Australia in odis. Watch a bit more please. Who's your alternative?
 
It’s not so much the bounce. It’s the swing that Haris cannot play at all. The red ball moves (especially in SENA). The white ball doesn’t move anywhere. Hence why Haris will still do well in ODIs, because he relies on good hand eye coordination. His feet are non existent.
 
should have played with 8 players, him shan and naseem, utter failiures.... i cant believe i was high on this guy at some point, he is a mental midget...
 
Seems like you haven't seen him in the world Cup or new zealand or Australia in odis. Watch a bit more please. Who's your alternative?

Actually, I was the the ground for both of SAF and NZD games. Good seats too.
 
Yeah, in his mohalla team, nothing more than that.

Who's your alternative should be a lot considering from your tone. You are well known Haris hater. He would be the greatest team if Haris is a mohalla player and was our second best bat at the world Cup. I am waiting.
 
It’s not so much the bounce. It’s the swing that Haris cannot play at all. The red ball moves (especially in SENA). The white ball doesn’t move anywhere. Hence why Haris will still do well in ODIs, because he relies on good hand eye coordination. His feet are non existent.

Don’t think it was hooping rund corners in AUS (2019). His dismissals there and today (I have not seen today’s dismissal, just read the description on CricInfo) seem to be bounce related.
 
Tests yes but in odis he still has a place.

With the World Cup 2 years away wouldn’t it be worth giving Saud a go to instead of Haris? Both similar types of player but atleast Saud is in shape and not going to be a liability in the field to the extent Haris will be come 2023.

It’s a shame because Haris definitely had the potential but his laziness and unlucky run with injuries haven’t allowed him to fulfil his potential. It’s time to move on.
 
Stroke making ability, can play proper cricketing shots against pace and spin, and has a solid technique.

It's not my fault he didn't live upto the hype.

The guy is a Haris hater nothing else. Doesn't know much about cricket.
 
Who's your alternative should be a lot considering from your tone. You are well known Haris hater. He would be the greatest team if Haris is a mohalla player and was our second best bat at the world Cup. I am waiting.

That’s not necessarily how this works. There is no way one can a “control experiment” trying all replacements etc. Haris’ shortcomings were glossed over earlier on (I can understand why, given PAK’s emotional weight behind each blooming prospect) but now it will be very difficult for him to hide. The only way he will do well is he plays against PAK because they are unlikely to bowl to his weaknesses, as they do not complete statistical and technical homework.
 
Don’t think it was hooping rund corners in AUS (2019). His dismissals there and today (I have not seen today’s dismissal, just read the description on CricInfo) seem to be bounce related.

Not at all to do with bounce. Ball just swung away from him and he prodded at it. Did the same in Aus too. It’s swing my friend more so than bounce l. The fact he’s getting caught in slips and gully numerous times proves that it’s swing.
 
I count myself as one of Harris's biggest supporters but even I am shocked at the poor technique displayed here. As Brendon McCullum eloquently described, his issue is playing the bouncing ball with an open face. Outside of Asia, that doesn't work in test cricket where the swing induces an edge.

Unless he improves this glaring error, he will only be selected for ODI cricket from here onwards.
 
The guy is a Haris hater nothing else. Doesn't know much about cricket.
I think Haris should reinvent himself as a white ball specialist just like Malik has.

I remember he scored a T20I fifty against England last year. Not sure why PSL teams do not select him over guys like Rizwan Hussain and Shan Masood.

Haris batted well in the NT20 too.
 
And you didn't learn anything. What a waste.

No I had a good time, got my money’s worth and even enjoyed Haris’ knock.

But my point is more about the future. I remain extremely sceptical he’ll be able replicate that form simply because more teams will have worked him out. His weaknesses, including aerial driving and prodding at 6th stump short of length deliveries will not go unnoticed. Not to mention short deliveries at the body. Lastly, given his physique, fielding and athleticism he will be a liability to the ODI team sooner rather than later.
 
I think Haris should reinvent himself as a white ball specialist just like Malik has.

I remember he scored a T20I fifty against England last year. Not sure why PSL teams do not select him over guys like Rizwan Hussain and Shan Masood.

Haris batted well in the NT20 too.

Only in odis till we find a replacement for him. Tests he should be gone as sinoale as that.
 
No I had a good time, got my money’s worth and even enjoyed Haris’ knock.

But my point is more about the future. I remain extremely sceptical he’ll be able replicate that form simply because more teams will have worked him out. His weaknesses, including aerial driving and prodding at 6th stump short of length deliveries will not go unnoticed. Not to mention short deliveries at the body. Lastly, given his physique, fielding and athleticism he will be a liability to the ODI team sooner rather than later.

We need a replacement for him but at the moment only haider ali comes close.
 
We need a replacement for him but at the moment only haider ali comes close.

Saud Shakeel is a like for like replacement for Haris.

Elegant left hander with a great FC and List A record.
 
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