What's the difference between fast and medium-fast bowler?

[Kingpin786]

Mohammad Shami is considered a genuine fast bowlers by some though his pace is close to Hasan Ali besides Umar Gul was clocked above 150kph multiple times he is considered as fast medium by many.

If someone can please explain this difference between these terms.

 

[NoBallZombie]

Mohammad Shami is considered a genuine fast bowlers by some though his pace is close to Hasan Ali besides Umar Gul was clocked above 150kph multiple times he is considered as fast medium by many.

If someone can please explain this difference between these terms.

You can add a medium fast bowler in the list too.

 

[Kingpin786]

You can add a medium fast bowler in the list too.

but more confusion is about this shami guy

 

[Kingpin786]

do you think following bowlers are fast or fast medium
shaheen shah afridi
hasan ali
usman shinwari
amir
hazlewood
bumrah
boult

 

[Robert]

Fast bowler: ability to hurry a good batman in his shot, when he is well set on a good batting wicket.

 

[Sher Khan]

Here is the way i look at it:

Right arm medium refers to anyone that bowls less than 130kph.

Right arm medium fast bowler would bowl between 125-135kph for the most part but not any quicker than 135 kph.

Right arm fast medium which most bowlers these days are bowl close to or slightly above that 135kph mark. They bowl mostly in the speeds 130-140kph.

Any bowler that bowls above 140kph for the most part of their spells is classified as a right arm fast bowler.

 

[Kingpin786]

For me if a bowler averages 85mph+ in tests for considerable period

 

[jeetu]

My criteria of 5 categories of fast bowlers by speed according to speed.

1. Express - Typical speed 140-153 , Max speed 154-161
2. Fast - Typical speed 140-150 , Max speed 150-153
3 Fast Medium - Typical speed 135-140 , Max speed 140-150
4 Medium Fast - Typical speed 125-135 Max speed 135-140
5 Medium - Typical speed 115-125 , Max speed 125-135

 

[Hyperion66]

Mohammad Shami is considered a genuine fast bowlers by some though his pace is close to Hasan Ali besides Umar Gul was clocked above 150kph multiple times he is considered as fast medium by many.

If someone can please explain this difference between these terms.

Shami's average speed is comfortably higher than Hasan and I have never seen Hasan hitting 145+ but I might be wrong though. Shami can hit 145-148 pretty regularly. End of the day it all comes down to class, Shami is class while Hasan is third-class.

 

[Hyperion66]

For me if a bowler averages 85mph+ in tests for considerable period

I agree on this. It is more about sustaining a decent pace over a period of time than clocking express during the first spell and trundling for the rest of the day.

 

[Robert]

Interesting, more go for quantitative, I go for qualitative.

 

[Kingpin786]

Shami's average speed is comfortably higher than Hasan and I have never seen Hasan hitting 145+ but I might be wrong though. Shami can hit 145-148 pretty regularly. End of the day it all comes down to class, Shami is class while Hasan is third-class.

Can you tell me when shimi fastest ball and please if you can compare with umar gul in terms of pace

 

[Harpoon]

Interesting, more go for quantitative, I go for qualitative.

142+ is fast
150+ is express

 

[Kingpin786]

Interesting, more go for quantitative, I go for qualitative.

Because quantitative is easier to annalyze

 

[Kingpin786]

142+ is fast
150+ is express

Average or effortball

 

[Rana]

Medium 130-142 kmh regularly

Fast 143-152 regularly

Express 148-158 regularly

 

[Kingpin786]

Medium 130-142 kmh regularly

Fast 143-152 regularly

Express 148-158 regularly

So there is no express bowler in world barring stark

 

[Harpoon]

Ability to ball it at will and whenever needed.

 

[Rana]

So there is no express bowler in world barring stark

Jofra Archer

 

[ethan hunt]

Shami's average speed is comfortably higher than Hasan and I have never seen Hasan hitting 145+ but I might be wrong though. Shami can hit 145-148 pretty regularly. End of the day it all comes down to class, Shami is class while Hasan is third-class.

145-148 kph?
Please share just two samples where Shami has averaged 145 kph in a match.

 

[ethan hunt]

So there is no express bowler in world barring stark

Naseem was a couple of kilometres quicker than starc in terms of average speed in Australia.
No current bowler bowls anywhere near as fast as Lee or Akhtar.

 

[Kingpin786]

Ability to ball it at will and whenever needed.

asif had that ability but he was not genuine fast

 

[Kingpin786]

Jofra Archer

archer was express in that ashes actually his pace has slightly gone down of late

 

[Rana]

There really is a drought of express pace bowlers all over the world. Akhtar, Lee and Tait all played in the same era. These guys were 95mph+

Junior Sami was also express (95mph+)
Young Fidel Edwards 91-94mph


All of them have gone now!

 

[Kingpin786]

There really is a drought of express pace bowlers all over the world. Akhtar, Lee and Tait all played in the same era. These guys were 95mph+

Junior Sami was also express (95mph+)
Young Fidel Edwards 91-94mph


All of them have gone now!

for me hasnain has the potential to be the next express fast bowler from pakistan

 

[Kingpin786]

do you think following bowlers are fast or fast medium
shaheen shah afridi
hasan ali
usman shinwari
amir
hazlewood
bumrah
boult

in which category do you place above mentioned

 

[shamaan]

in which category do you place above mentioned

All the above are fast medium

 

[shamaan]

No bowler is express fast in current cricket

U myt get a few who are fast
And quite alot are medium fast

 

[hur rizvi]

Mohammad Shami is considered a genuine fast bowlers by some though his pace is close to Hasan Ali besides Umar Gul was clocked above 150kph multiple times he is considered as fast medium by many.

If someone can please explain this difference between these terms.

Hassan Ali, Gul and Shami are about same pace and all of them are medium fast

 

[hur rizvi]

Shami's average speed is comfortably higher than Hasan and I have never seen Hasan hitting 145+ but I might be wrong though. Shami can hit 145-148 pretty regularly. End of the day it all comes down to class, Shami is class while Hasan is third-class.

While I agree Shami is class, I dont necessarily agree with Hasan being third class. He has more than decent stats and I strongly believe and has enough talent to come back stronger

 

[Hawkeye]

Fast: Most balls in 141-148kph range
Medium fast: 133-138 kph
Medium: 125-135 kph

Express: Can easily bowl 148-155 kph. Rare.

 

[StreetSmart]

Here is the way i look at it:

Right arm medium refers to anyone that bowls less than 130kph.

Right arm medium fast bowler would bowl between 125-135kph for the most part but not any quicker than 135 kph.

Right arm fast medium which most bowlers these days are bowl close to or slightly above that 135kph mark. They bowl mostly in the speeds 130-140kph.

Any bowler that bowls above 140kph for the most part of their spells is classified as a right arm fast bowler.

this is a more sensible rating, IDK where are people getting this express fast bowler term. Also, these should be the avg speed oft he bowler.

 

[Kingpin786]

 

[Kingpin786]

so average speed of shami is lower than harris and hazlewood and wahab is fastest asian bowler

 

[BreadPakoda]

so average speed of shami is lower than harris and hazlewood and wahab is fastest asian bowler

Wahab was, not is. Afaik he has already retired from test cricket. Fastest Asian bowler is Umesh Yadav.

 

[Arya]

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Looks outdated. Bumrah's average pace is comfortably above any Asian in the list. Top 3 in the world I am guessing.

 

[Arya]

Wahab was, not is. Afaik he has already retired from test cricket. Fastest Asian bowler is Umesh Yadav.

Read all other names in the list. It seems brother has been holding on to this screenshot for a long long time.

 

[Kingpin786]

Read all other names in the list. It seems brother has been holding on to this screenshot for a long long time.

brother this list was released in 2020 by cricviz and this list contains average speeds from 2010 to 2020
and as far bumrah is concerned he was trundling in last two test he played because he has only played 11 matches the change in stats is significant

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Looks outdated. Bumrah's average pace is comfortably above any Asian in the list. Top 3 in the world I am guessing.

This was when Bumrah had not played even ten tests. Read this article

https://www.wisden.com/analysis/cricviz-australia-starc

It shows that , on average, Starc is the quickest over his career and that bumrah is on par with Cummins and Gabriel. Fastest Asian pacer at this point.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

brother this list was released in 2020 by cricviz and this list contains average speeds from 2010 to 2020
and as far bumrah is concerned he was trundling in last two test he played because he has only played 11 matches the change in stats is significant

This list was released in June 2018 by CricViz. No need to make things up to prove some point.

 

[Arya]

brother this list was released in 2020 by cricviz and this list contains average speeds from 2010 to 2020
and as far bumrah is concerned he was trundling in last two test he played because he has only played 11 matches the change in stats is significant

Nop, he never trundled.

Turns out, Bumrah is the second fastest in the world today behind Starc. Faster than Cummins, Pattinson and Gabriel.

https://www.wisden.com/analysis/cricviz-australia-starc

 

[Kingpin786]

Wahab was, not is. Afaik he has already retired from test cricket. Fastest Asian bowler is Umesh Yadav.

wahab was the fastest bowler from asia among bowlers who bowled from 2010 t0 1010 and the moment naseem shah is fastest bowler in terms of average 140+

 

[Kingpin786]

Nop, he never trundled.

Turns out, Bumrah is the second fastest in the world today behind Starc. Faster than Cummins, Pattinson and Gabriel.

https://www.wisden.com/analysis/cricviz-australia-starc

tell me the team against bumrah played his last test

 

[Kingpin786]

Nop, he never trundled.

Turns out, Bumrah is the second fastest in the world today behind Starc. Faster than Cummins, Pattinson and Gabriel.

https://www.wisden.com/analysis/cricviz-australia-starc

bro your data is actually outdated bumrah played last test after wc19

 

[NoBallZombie]

Shami's average speed is comfortably higher than Hasan and I have never seen Hasan hitting 145+ but I might be wrong though. Shami can hit 145-148 pretty regularly. End of the day it all comes down to class, Shami is class while Hasan is third-class.

The only thing third-class is your post here.

Shami and Hasan are almost equal in terms of their average pace. And it is not that you might be wrong, you definitely ARE wrong.

 

[Kingpin786]

The only thing third-class is your post here.

Shami and Hasan are almost equal in terms of their average pace. And it is not that you might be wrong, you definitely ARE wrong.

100 percent correct

 

[Arya]

bro your data is actually outdated bumrah played last test after wc19

That's the most updated data in this thread. Bumrah last played a series in WI, and he was fast and devastating as usual.

Starc and him are top two in the world today as far as average pace goes. Jofra Archer should overtake both as he plays more Tests.

 

[Kingpin786]

This list was released in June 2018 by CricViz. No need to make things up to prove some point.

not at all this is dacade ender

 

[Kingpin786]

That's the most updated data in this thread. Bumrah last played a series in WI, and he was fast and devastating as usual.

Starc and him are top two in the world today as far as average pace goes. Jofra Archer should overtake both as he plays more Tests.

bro this dates 6 august 2919 while the first test agains windies was played on 22 august 2019 besides

if you go to icc webside you can check his speeds against windies

 

[Kingpin786]

bro this dates 6 august 2019 while the first test agains windies was played on 22 august 2019 besides

if you go to icc webside you can check his speeds against windies

6 august 2019

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The only thing third-class is your post here.

Shami and Hasan are almost equal in terms of their average pace. And it is not that you might be wrong, you definitely ARE wrong.

Very unlikely. When you are talking about average pace, even a difference of 2 kph is massive. Hasan has not featured on any CricViz list about pace . Shami is around the 137 kph mark and has played a lot more test cricket. I would put Hasan around the 135 kph mark .

 

[Nikhil_cric]

not at all this is dacade ender

No it's not. I follow the CricViz Analyst on twitter and I have bookmarked such tweets. This is from June 2018 . The Wisden article I posted is from June 2019 and that used CricViz data again.

 

[Kingpin786]

Very unlikely. When you are talking about average pace, even a difference of 2 kph is massive. Hasan has not featured on any CricViz list about pace . Shami is around the 137 kph mark and has played a lot more test cricket. I would put Hasan around the 135 kph mark .

i think it will be better if you stick to the topic and help us to differentiate between fast and fast medium bowlers

 

[Kingpin786]

No it's not. I follow the CricViz Analyst on twitter and I have bookmarked such tweets. This is from June 2018 . The Wisden article I posted is from June 2019 and that used CricViz data again.

if you please provide me speeds that bumrah bowled against windies

 

[Arya]

i think it will be better if you stick to the topic and help us to differentiate between fast and fast medium bowlers

Brother, I think you are inviting the derail yourself with outdated screenshots and false assumptions. What you posted was not a decade-ender, and the most recent data available decides who the fastest are. Starc and Bumrah are #1 and #2 respectively.

Rest all are fabricated assumptions unless you provide latest and greatest stats to back your claims.

 

[Kingpin786]

looks outdated. Bumrah's average pace is comfortably above any asian in the list. Top 3 in the world i am guessing.

not faster than naseem shah he is easily the fasstest test bowler in asia

 

[Nikhil_cric]

if you please provide me speeds that bumrah bowled against windies

Bumrah was certainly down on pace in the West Indies while carrying that back stress fracture. But we are not looking at speeds over just two tests. Anyway, it looks your only point is to prove that naseem is quicker than any other Asian bowler so go ahead

 

[Arya]

not faster than naseem shah he is easily the fasstest test bowler in asia

Didn't a Sri Lankan made him look like a medium pacer in the same match? There's a reason why speed comparisons consider a minimum number of matches played or overs bowled. Don't jump the gun brother.

 

[Kingpin786]

Didn't a Sri Lankan made him look like a medium pacer in the same match? There's a reason why speed comparisons consider a minimum number of matches played or overs bowled. Don't jump the gun brother.

I dont know that but your bumrah was looking medium pacer vs cummins in recently concluded series

 

[Sunny_majoka]

Same as, dilbar Hussain and Haris rauf