What's your opinion on UFOs?

[Yossarian]

I am sure with that many odds life has evolved on other planets in other solar system but not the kind of life we see here on earth, specially evolution of intelligent species like humans, species that learn and think and invent things.
When some sort of life evolved because of right temperature environment and moister it does not mean that it will evolve into an intelligent life over time, if that was the case and dinosaurs were still living doesn't mean that in 200 million years they would have invented rockets or computers, they would have been still be just dinosaurs and if there was no catastrophe 200 million years ago that killed them all may be we would not have been here.
I agree with one of the above posts that if some day we can make to a planet in a different solar system we may find life but the only intelligent life will be us when and if we get there

Why? Whats so special about us humans?

Re-read the OP again - especially the parts about the sheer number of planets with the potential for life. ie Hundreds of BILLIONS. Now equate that with the odds mentioned in the OP.

Taken together, if life outside Earth does exist, then it's likely to exist on millions, if not billions, of other planets - meaning not just every variety that you can think of, but also types of lifeforms that one cannot even imagine.

 

[LA Guy]

Why? Whats so special about us humans?

Re-read the OP again - especially the parts about the sheer number of planets with the potential for life. ie Hundreds of BILLIONS. Now equate that with the odds mentioned in the OP.

Taken together, if life outside Earth does exist, then it's likely to exist on millions, if not billions, of other planets - meaning not just every variety that you can think of, but also types of lifeforms that one cannot even imagine.

Nothing special about humans, its just that the evolution of simple form of life in itself has monumental odds, although there may be a trillion habitable planets or more out there but the odds of life is may be more than that and it need a freak mutation or a series of mutation to evolve into an intelligent form and odds of that is over a trillion more.
We are the lucky ones and our planet is a special one to have this gift of intelligent life and I doubt that it can be duplicated somewhere else. I am not saying that this is a gift by someone or some super being because that would be a different discussion but because of some freak incident we got lucky and are here today

 

[Mamoon]

Extraterrestrial life exists, but not in the form as we think of it.

UFOs don't exist. For that to happen, such life forms would need to possess near human intelligence.

They are most likely not even similar to humans. Probably different forms of apes, insects, birds etc.

 

[Mamoon]

What do you guys think of Nordic aliens? Sounds totally bogus to me.

 

[LA Guy]

Extraterrestrial life exists, but not in the form as we think of it.

UFOs don't exist. For that to happen, such life forms would need to possess near human intelligence.

They are most likely not even similar to humans. Probably different forms of apes, insects, birds etc.

Coming from a future Doctor this makes a lot of sense and that is what I am trying to tell.
Life is out there but no UFO or Aliens traveling through the vast emptiness of space

 

[Mamoon]

Coming from a future Doctor this makes a lot of sense and that is what I am trying to tell.
Life is out there but no UFO or Aliens traveling through the vast emptiness of space

It's animal behavior to seek some form of competition and eliminate it.

Humans don't have any and they try to fulfill their desires by imagining some super intelligent creature flying around in saucers and plotting earth invasion particularly the United States.

 

[Yossarian]

Nothing special about humans, its just that the evolution of simple form of life in itself has monumental odds, although there may be a trillion habitable planets or more out there but the odds of life is may be more than that and it need a freak mutation or a series of mutation to evolve into an intelligent form and odds of that is over a trillion more.
We are the lucky ones and our planet is a special one to have this gift of intelligent life and I doubt that it can be duplicated somewhere else. I am not saying that this is a gift by someone or some super being because that would be a different discussion but because of some freak incident we got lucky and are here today

No matter how 'freak' an accident may be, if the conditions that led to that 'freak accident' are repeated billions of times on other planets, then the likelihood of that 'freak accident' being repeated are very high.

If there was any evidence found of life existing, or having existed, on another planet. an asteroid or even a meteor, and no matter how basic that life form was, it will immediately cause major repercussions as it would then bring into question most religions that are practiced around the world. Because then it would show that if there was signs of non-Earth origin life just in the Solar System alone, then the possibilities of what could exist on those other Billions upon Billions solar systems is simply mind-boggling.

So one can understand why, for many, it is easier to close one's mind and assume that life on Earth is a one-off unique event.

 

[LA Guy]

OK Yossarian here is the deal if we ever find any trace of any form of carbon based life any where on our solar system outside of earth any form may be a twig of a dead plant any where from our moon to mars to all the way in the moons of giant outer planets I will change my thinking or if we can detect an artificial signal on the vast SETI complex then I will think differently
We know our moon is dead and was never alive, we are able to send some remote controlled toys to Mars in the past 10 years or so and absolutely nothing, so when and if we find something and we are still alive and on this forum we will pickup this discussion in a different light but till then I am not convinced
By the way your name sound Arminian are you Arminian ? some of my best friends are here in States

 

[DoosraTeesra]

What if we found human species (homosapiens) somewhere else in the universe. That would be amazing and creepy

 

[doggy2020]

I thought Americans are "aliens". My belief has been reinforced after watching "californication" TV series.

A couple has a teenage daughter but they are still undecided whether they should officially marry or not.

LOL

 

[Yossarian]

OK Yossarian here is the deal if we ever find any trace of any form of carbon based life any where on our solar system outside of earth any form may be a twig of a dead plant any where from our moon to mars to all the way in the moons of giant outer planets I will change my thinking or if we can detect an artificial signal on the vast SETI complex then I will think differently
We know our moon is dead and was never alive, we are able to send some remote controlled toys to Mars in the past 10 years or so and absolutely nothing, so when and if we find something and we are still alive and on this forum we will pickup this discussion in a different light but till then I am not convinced
By the way your name sound Arminian are you Arminian ? some of my best friends are here in States

Fair enough. I respect your viewpoint. As for my name, no, I'm not Arminian, I'm a UK citizen born in Pakistan. Hint: Major Major Major Major.

 

[James]

There is extraterrestrial life.

I know several people who have seen UFOs. As for the aliens themselves, if you look at old wall paintings I'd say the Independence Day interpretation is pretty close - similar builds, organs, strengths and vulnerabilities to humans, but with far more advanced technology. Whether they would be hostile or not is unclear.

There is even the theory that visiting aliens accelerated human technology, for example in Ancient Egypt. The pyramids are extraordinary structures, and apparently all point towards one unified area of the sky.

One day we will find out that we are not alone in the Universe, and we now of course have the means to record this knowledge for future generations. And, just to close, if you consider the tiny probability of certain natural extinction level events, in theory an alien invasion would actually emerge as one of the more likely doomsday scenarios.

 

[Mamoon]

There is extraterrestrial life.

I know several people who have seen UFOs. As for the aliens themselves, if you look at old wall paintings I'd say the Independence Day interpretation is pretty close - similar builds, organs, strengths and vulnerabilities to humans, but with far more advanced technology. Whether they would be hostile or not is unclear.

There is even the theory that visiting aliens accelerated human technology, for example in Ancient Egypt. The pyramids are extraordinary structures, and apparently all point towards one unified area of the sky.

One day we will find out that we are not alone in the Universe, and we now of course have the means to record this knowledge for future generations. And, just to close, if you consider the tiny probability of certain natural extinction level events, in theory an alien invasion would actually emerge as one of the more likely doomsday scenarios.

So you believed people who said they have seen UFOs?

Well, have you considered why nobody is interested in extraterrestrial life that isn't human like? The possibility of them existing is very high.

Like I said before, aliens flying around in UFOs and invading the Earth one day is a product of our psychology.

We want to be challenged and overwhelm our competition eventually. That's why most alien movies have them as villains.

However, I like to be open minded and vulnerable to ideas and theories-until-proven-wrong.

So there's a possibility that they do exist in the form as we imagine.

 

[James]

They're people I like and know well, so I believe them.

Obviously if it was just some geek at school or weirdo at work then I wouldn't consider it.

 

[Yossarian]

They're people I like and know well, so I believe them.

Obviously if it was just some geek at school or weirdo at work then I wouldn't consider it.

Even if Aliens have not visited planet Earth, and as I said in the OP, if you believe in evolution, then its a virtually certainty that there are planets out there that also contain lifeforms, and not just a few planets, but possibly billions. And at least some of those will have intelligent life, in all probabily even some far more advanced than us.

And if you believe in creation and not evolution, why would God create billions of galaxies, each containing billions of stars and planets and yet choose to create millions of different life forms on only one of them? Isn't it possible that God could have repeated the process elswhere?

 

[James]

Basically we (humans) are still a young race and have much to discover about the Universe.

 

[Robert]

So all in all, if you believe in evolution, then you also have to believe in the probability, nay almost certainty, of the existence of alien life somewhere in the universe.

Yep. In my opinion life will appear wherever it is possible to do so. Given time and opportunity, intelligent life will appear. It's an inevitability.

We won't meet any aliens though - the gulf between the stars is too big to be crossed. The fastest thing we have launched is Voyager 1, which is going to take 15,000 years even to get through the Oort Cloud, and 60,000 years to get to he closest star (Proxima Centauri) if it were aimed that way, which it isn't.

Even landing people on Mars appears to be hugely impractical at present. We are just not built to live out there.

 

[Indiafan]

BTW, the wikileaks documents did contain some info about UFOs

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-contain-UFO-details-says-Julian-Assange.html

 

[Energetic]

UFOs are hard to explain. I do believe in Alien life but I'd be shocked if we are the only living planet in our own galaxy.

If we are the only living planet in the entire universe then not only its very scary but bizarre.

There are even theories that there may be more than 1 Universe who knows?

But for us, its virtually impossible to detect life.

 

[Yossarian]

We won't meet any aliens though - the gulf between the stars is too big to be crossed. The fastest thing we have launched is Voyager 1, which is going to take 15,000 years even to get through the Oort Cloud, and 60,000 years to get to he closest star (Proxima Centauri) if it were aimed that way, which it isn't. .

We may yet not be advanced enough. But who's to say that other Alien civilisations are not thousands, if not millions, or even tens of millions of years in advance of us?

Dinosaurs first roamed the Earth hundreds of millions of years ago. Even though they were very basic in their intelligence level compared to us, nevertheless they still had an intelligence sufficient to hunt, feed, fly, defend their offspring ......

What if a few hundred millions years ago, other lifeforms on other planets also had similar levels of intelligence as the dinosaurs on Earth, but continued to evolve? Imagine how far their intelligence levels may have evolved/advanced since then?

I don't believe we should compare our levels of intelligence, our levels of technological progress etc., with those of any possible Aliens out there. Many will be in their infancy compared to life on Earth, whilst others may be as far more advanced than us in the other direction.

 

[Stewie]

Most UFO sightings started after the 2nd world war. I believe they have been visiting us since the 40s because the detected the Nuclear explosion. Any civilization that has harnessed the energies of the atom and are stupid enough to use it on their own should be deemed as technologically advanced enough, and sociologically speaking dangerous enough to wreak havoc upon others, that is why a much advanced intelligent extra terrestrial life would be wary of us and observe us from a distance.

I believe that is what the UFO sightings are about. I am a firm believer that we cannot be alone in this big huge universe and there have to be other civilizations more technologically and sociologically advanced than we are.


Yes, there I said it. Call me a UFO retard but I stand by my opinion.

 

[TSA321]

Edgar Mitchell (guy who walked on Moon) states aliens have visited Earth

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[Yossarian]

Lets say for arguments sake that evidence of life, past or present, was found on Mars, Venus or the moons of Jupiter or Saturn. What impact would you say it will have on goverments and their populations?

Putting aside what the religious texts may or may not say, how will the Abrahamic religious organisations, their clerics and their faithful followers react if/when faced with this new reality?

 

[Robert]

We may yet not be advanced enough. But who's to say that other Alien civilisations are not thousands, if not millions, or even tens of millions of years in advance of us?

Well, I reckon that the capabilities of an alien civilisation are by-and-large a function of how long their home planet can stay in the Goldilocks Zone for.

Eventually we will be taken out by an asteroid strike, or the Sun will expand and burn us up. This will have happen to other planets with earlier civilisations too.

In the mean time I expect a lot of them have already nuked themselves into extinction, as we nearly did in 1962, or consumed all their resources and starved, as we are probably going to do.

But even barring asteroids, war and shortages of resources, space is just too big. It's like expecting a colony of ants to cross an ocean. We cannot exceed lightspeed. You can't get anywhere near it, as our mass increases toward infinity with velocity. Even if we had a vehicle which could do 0.5C, it would take us eight years to get to Proxima, crossing a medium which is utterly hostile to us. And there's nothing at Proxima.

 

[whatthewhat]

The funny thing about UFO and Alien sightings is that since the advent of social media they've suddenly stopped, anyway, we are trying to travel to other planets not to find alien civilizations, we're looking for places where life might have existed, to see how life there ended, so we dont do that ourselves and learn from their mistakes, and obviously eventually try and colonize.

Alien life obviously exists, but not in the way we might think it does, scientists now believe that everything in space is alive, if you think about it if we're made of stars, everything that is a part of the universe is a part of us, so everything is essentially one big organism with a multi conscience.

So even if Alien life exists outside thing world its not really alien.

Stephen Hawking clearly states that if there's Alien life I wouldnt want to meet them.

No matter what scientists claim mankind will never be advanced enough to colonize other planets or make thing universe our home, simply because we're animals, it's all about survival, like Neil Degrass Tyson says, the US went to the moon because they wanted to show their supremacy to Russia, there was not other reason the projects got funded and now are stopped. The people who run the world would rather reduce the population and stay on earth then spend money to colonize so that everyone can live.

The concept of space and time is different for every species, my space and time isnt the space and time of my cat, some species can see in infra red, an eagle can spot a rat in the forest while flying, cockroaches can survive nuclear war, thats all alien, and aliens from outer space wouldnt have no interest in a depleting planet anyway, and if they do, its bad news for us.

As far a UFO sighting go, there are an insane amount of military technologies we're not aware of, why would aliens expose themselves like that, if we have sleath technologies the aliens from outer space who are visiting us from that far are surely smarter than us.

 

[Yossarian]

^^^ It's not such a long time ago when people thought the Earth was flat, the Sun circled around the Earth, and if you go too far out to sea, you'll fall over the edge.

Here are a few more gems from the last 50 - 200 years alone.

"What can be more palpably absurd than the prospect held out of locomotives travelling twice as fast as stagecoaches!" - The Quarterly Review, March, 1825.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RAliverpool.htm

"Where a calculator like the ENIAC today is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and perhaps weigh only 1½ tons. " - Andrew Hamilton, "Brains that Click", Popular Mechanics"

http://www.nytimes.com/2000/12/31/w...y-this-time-future-closer-than-you-think.html

A rocket will never be able to leave the Earth's atmosphere.

The New York Times, January 13, 1920. The Times offered a retraction on July 17, 1969, as Apollo 11 was on its way to the moon

And yet, despite the above, and with mankind going from the Stone Age to Nuclear Power, the Internet and space travel, all in just a few thousand years, some still fail to grasp the level of changes that could occur in the future over hundreds of thousand of years on Earth, but also may already have occurred on other planets in the universe over the last billions of years.

 

[Robert]

C is an absolute. Einstein demonstrated that nothing with mass can get anywhere near it and everything we have learned in the past eighty years supports his predictions.

 

[Saqs]

They can't not exist right?

 

[Yossarian]

C is an absolute. Einstein demonstrated that nothing with mass can get anywhere near it and everything we have learned in the past eighty years supports his predictions.

80 years? a drop in the ocean on the timescales that are being discussed vis-a-vis the OP and this thread. You mean just like the 'scientists' of the past 500+ years ago who could never have imagined humans travelling high up in the sky faster than the speed of sound, human's walking on the moon, the ability to talk to and see people on the other side of the world without any obvious mechanical connections?

Who's to say the gap between Einsteins thinking what can and cannot be possible compared to what the scientists of a few thousands of years into the future will be capable of doing is not akin to the thinking of the Stone Age man compared to Einstein himself?

 

[Robbie]

Extraterrestrial life exists, but not in the form as we think of it.

UFOs don't exist. For that to happen, such life forms would need to possess near human intelligence.

They are most likely not even similar to humans. Probably different forms of apes, insects, birds etc.

Our milky way galaxy is considered a new galaxy as compared to billions and billions of other galaxies and even in our galaxy our sun is comparatively young as compared to other billions of stars in milky way.

Dont you think us humans will be among lowest of lowest evolved creatures in the universe.

 

[Yossarian]

Our milky way galaxy is considered a new galaxy as compared to billions and billions of other galaxies and even in our galaxy our sun is comparatively young as compared to other billions of stars in milky way.

Dont you think us humans will be among lowest of lowest evolved creatures in the universe.

Correct.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Even if life exists in other galaxies why would you assume that evolution takes place at the same rate in a far away galaxy like it does on earth or if it takes place at all?

 

[Robbie]

Even if life exists in other galaxies why would you assume that evolution takes place at the same rate in a far away galaxy like it does on earth or if it takes place at all?

Why does evolution takes place at all?? What is evolution? Are there any parameters on which evolution depends? Ask yourself this and you'll know the answer.

Rate of evolution only depends on the species which undergo it. Do they really wanna survive or perish? Is the environment really gonna let them? And what is its position in the food chain? If all these conditions are fulfilled there is a huge possibility that evolution takes place at a rate similar to humans.

 

[LA Guy]

Although I do not believe in UFOS or Aliens from other world, I do believe in some sort of simple life abundant on other worlds.
Evolution is very tricky and species just do not evolve into intelligent being over time. Dinosaurs died away about 200 millions ago due to a catastrophic event at our planet and may be that is the reason we human evolved and got to the top of the food chain.
If there was not such an event dinosaurs will still be living but it does not mean that in 200 million years they would have become smart enough to built cars, invent computers, fly planes or use internet, they would still be just dinosaurs and more of them and no humans.
On a positive note they found an ocean of water under a thick layer of ice on one of the Saturn's moon, now this discovery is in our backyard and reachable for further research, If there is an ocean of water then there is got to be some sort of life, now this is exciting


http://news.yahoo.com/hidden-ocean-...lYwNzcgRwb3MDMwRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkA1VJQzFfMQ--

 

[Robbie]

Although I do not believe in UFOS or Aliens froevolr world, I do believe in some sort of simple life abundant on other worlds.
Evolution is very tricky and species just do not evolve into intelligent being over time. Dinosaurs died away about 200 millions ago due to a catastrophic event at our planet and may be that is the reason we human evolved and got to the top of the food chain.
If there was not such an event dinosaurs will still be living but it does not mean that in 200 million years they would have become smart enough to built cars, invent computers, fly planes or use internet, they would still be just dinosaurs and more of them and no humans.
On a positive note they found an ocean of water under a thick layer of ice on one of the Saturn's moon, now this discovery is in our backyard and reachable for further research, If there is an ocean of water then there is got to be some sort of life, now this is exciting


http://news.yahoo.com/hidden-ocean-...lYwNzcgRwb3MDMwRjb2xvA2dxMQR2dGlkA1VJQzFfMQ--

Do you think humans were intelligent from the beginning?? They didnt evolve from the brainless creatures they once were??

 

[LA Guy]

Do you think humans were intelligent from the beginning?? They didnt evolve from the brainless creatures they once were??

You did not get my point evolution just does not happen automatically on a remote control, it takes accidents after accidents of mutations and more mutations and some of this mutation is just random and some of it is need basis like survival of the fittest or more intelligence. Humans were not intelligent or even humans when they started but the chain of events, sequences, water , elements, lighting, atmosphere, magnetic field, formation of moon, ozone layer and a billion other things had to happen in a perfect harmony and after a billions of trial and error WE ARE HERE.
Can this be duplicated somewhere else? may be odds are 1 to more than all the stars, planets and moons combine in the universe

 

[Robbie]

You did not get my point evolution just does not happen automatically on a remote control, it takes accidents after accidents of mutations and more mutations and some of this mutation is just random and some of it is need basis like survival of the fittest or more intelligence. Humans were not intelligent or even humans when they started but the chain of events, sequences, water , elements, lighting, atmosphere, magnetic field, formation of moon, ozone layer and a billion other things had to happen in a perfect harmony and after a billions of trial and error WE ARE HERE.
Can this be duplicated somewhere else? may be odds are 1 to more than all the stars, planets and moons combine in the universe

All those conditions you mentionef are not necessary. If a specie is around for billions of years you will see a remarkable change in it from its inception. They just got to survive.

Formation of moon,ozone etc are not a factor in evolving. Even now every species in the world are evolving for their survival. Evolution is the nature's basic phenomenon it doesnt need any catalyst. As time changes characteristic of the specie changes.
Some specie evolve larger and complex brains, some evolve extended eyesight some even SONAR. Only requirement is the will to survive. Nothing else.

 

[LA Guy]

You are right evolution is not dependent on the external events but these events do play a role
besides if these events and conditions were not present here then no life and nothing to evolve.
As you mentioned species over time get better and more intelligent so if Dinosaurs were not dead and extinct 100's of million years ago do you think they would be sitting here on this forum chatting away instead of us

 

[MRSN]

All those conditions you mentionef are not necessary. If a specie is around for billions of years you will see a remarkable change in it from its inception. They just got to survive.

Formation of moon,ozone etc are not a factor in evolving. Even now every species in the world are evolving for their survival. Evolution is the nature's basic phenomenon it doesnt need any catalyst. As time changes characteristic of the specie changes.
Some specie evolve larger and complex brains, some evolve extended eyesight some even SONAR. Only requirement is the will to survive. Nothing else.

ok this might be a stupid question but I really wanted to ask this from where does that specie come into existence from?? the evolution would process afterwards right?

how is it possible for life to emerge from non-living world or non-oraganic.. ?

There may be a possiblity that the earth life itself came from another source or planet?right?

 

[Saqs]

Leatherface's one post owned this entire thread.

 

[Yossarian]

Even if life exists in other galaxies why would you assume that evolution takes place at the same rate in a far away galaxy like it does on earth or if it takes place at all?

If it was a case of potentially just a few other planets that may hold life. then the question would be valid. However, if there are millions, or even hundreds of millions of planets with some sort of lifeforms, then the likelihood is that whilst some of them would in their infancy compared to life on Earth, whilst lifeforms on others would potentially be hundreds of millions of years more advanced than life on Earth.

Since the Mods in their wisdom have decided to merge two threads, the essence of the OP of the later thread has been lost.

So here is the main point again.

There are billions upon billions of stars in our galaxy The Milky Way, and even if only a tiny fraction of these stars have planets in the 'Goldilocks Zones', it follows that there must be hundreds of millions, if not billions, of such planets in our galaxy alone.

There are billions of galaxies in the known universe. Meaning potentially thousands of billions of planets circling stars in their 'Goldilocks Zones'.

Now if one were to accept that life may possibly be the result of evolution due to a particular set of conditions that sparked it into existence, and that there was even one billionth of a chance of similar conditions being repeated elsewhere, now or in the past, on any of those planets in the Goldilocks zones, that still leaves hundreds of millions of such planets with just the right conditions to spark life into existence.

On that basis the odds of there being life elsewhere in the universe must be hundreds of millions to one in favour. Meaning virtual certainty. And if so, the chances are that some of it could have come into existence millions of years before life appeared on earth.

 

[Energetic]

I dare someone when its night time in your country i.e. 1.00 am to go out and walk around for half hour without no people if you think UFO do not exist and brave enough to not worry hehehe...

 

[Saeed]

Can UFOs travel fast with that kind of shape? I mean the ones that are usually depicted in art.

 

[gazza619]

Are there UFOs or is it just an American conspiracy? And do aliens exists?

What are the view points of different religions and the ones with no religion?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Are there UFOs or is it just an American conspiracy? And do aliens exists?

What are the view points of different religions and the ones with no religion?

UFO is just an object which is not identied. In this day and age where everyone has a mobile phone or a device which captures videos, those sightings have declind for some reason.

Life does exist and will be found even as close as Mars in the very near future as we know there is water on mars. Intelligence life is another question, imo it does exist but we may never be in contact.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

I have not read thru the thread so apologies if I am repeating.

I am virtually sure that there is or has been or will be life somewhere else in this universe. Who knows how many great civilisations have started and perished in billions of years?

What I don't believe is that any have visited earth. Why? I take KKWC point about mobile phones ( Why not use the same logic regarding the physical effects of Djinn' s?) but if you were the pilot of the UFO, you'd be like that planet's Top Gun Maverick.

If so and you managed to get to Earth, why would you only be seen fleetingly by drunk people in the USA and the area once known as USSR?

No if you 'flew' over London, you'd want to low fly past Piccadilly Circus. Pull wheelie spins in Trafalgar Square, you get the picture.

 

[last_knight]

Is it necessary for extraterrestrial life to coincide with human era? Humans have been on earth for few thousand years and Universe is probably there for millions of years.
If there was/will-be extraterrestrial life, probabilities of it happening before/after Human era is much more than it coinciding during human era.

 

[MenInG]

The first British astronaut to go into space has claimed aliens exist and it is possible they are living among us on earth.

Speaking to the Observer Magazine, Dr Helen Sharman said "there's no two ways" that aliens exist.

"There are so many billions of stars out there in the universe that there must be all sorts of different forms of life," she added.

Dr Sharman said that although aliens may not be made up of carbon and nitrogen like humans, "it's possible they're here right now and we simply can't see them".

The 56-year-old worked as a chemist before making history as the first British astronaut to participate in a mission to the Soviet modular space station Mir in May 1991.

She also highlighted in the interview that she is often referred to as the first British woman in space, rather than simply the first Briton.

"It's telling that we would otherwise assume it was a man," she said.

"When Tim Peake went into space, some people simply forgot about me. A man going first would be the norm, so I'm thrilled that I got to upset that order."

In September last year, three videos purporting to be leaked military footage of UFOs were claimed as genuine by the US Navy.

The clips - published by the To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science In December 2017 and March 2018 - showed several mystery objects travelling through the air at high speed.

https://news.sky.com/story/aliens-e...n-earth-first-british-astronaut-says-11901994

 

[big_gamer007]

Any species intelligent enough to travel millions of light years to come to earth will be so advanced they can destroy us within seconds. So, even if Aliens, in the form of intelligent life exist, we will never know about them (if we do, we will die soon).

All these talks about UFO sightings are fake, don't believe in them.

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’m glad the Pentagon is finally releasing this footage, but it only scratches the surface of research and materials available. The U.S. needs to take a serious, scientific look at this and any potential national security implications. The American people deserve to be informed. <a href="https://t.co/1XNduvmP0u">https://t.co/1XNduvmP0u</a></p>— Senator Harry Reid (@SenatorReid) <a href="https://twitter.com/SenatorReid/status/1254836730546384897?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jun/17/ufos-us-report-national-security-concerns

A group of senior American politicians have warned that UFOs pose “national security concerns” after getting a confidential briefing on a highly anticipated report on unidentified aerial phenomena that is set to be released later this month.

Some members of Congress were given advanced details about the contents of the Pentagon report, which is scheduled to be released before 25 June, and several said they are deeply worried about the findings.

“Clearly, something’s going on that we can’t handle,” Tim Burchett, a Republican congressman from Tennessee, told TMZ.

In recent years a series of government videos showing unidentified aerial phenomena, or UAPs – the ufology community’s preferred term – have been released, including footage from a navy F-18 fighter jet which showed an oblong object flying through the sky near San Diego in 2004.

This April photos and videos taken by navy personnel were leaked online, showing triangular-shaped objects buzzing in the sky, and in May leaked military footage showed an oval flying object near a navy ship in San Diego – an apparent UAP hotspot.

“We take the issue of unexplained aerial phenomena seriously to the extent that we’re dealing with the safety and security of US military personnel or the national security interests of the United States, so we want to know what we’re dealing with,” Sean Patrick Maloney, a Democratic congressman from New York, told the New York Post.

“I think it’s important to understand that there are legitimate questions involving the safety and security of our personnel, and in our operations and in our sensitive activities, and we all know that there’s [a] proliferation of technologies out there,” he continued. “We need to understand the space a little bit better.”

Last week Luis Elizondo, the former director of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, told the Washington Post that UAPs posed a serious threat.

“In this country we’ve had incidents where these UAPs have interfered and actually brought offline our nuclear capabilities,” he said.

“We also have data suggesting that in other countries these things have interfered with their nuclear technology and actually turned them on, put them online.”

One theory is that UAPs could be advanced Chinese or Russian aircraft, but Burchett dismissed that in his TMZ interview.

“I think that’s ridiculous. If the Russians had UFO technology, they would own us right now,” he said. “It has to be something that’s, that’s out of our galaxy, it just has to be, if it is in fact is real.”

Elizondo also dismissed those suggestions.

“We are quite convinced that we’re dealing with a technology that is multigenerational, several generations ahead of what we consider next generation technology, so what we would consider beyond next generation technology,” Elizondo told the Post. “Something that could be anywhere between 50 to 1,000 years ahead of us.”

The flurry of recent videos and the imminent release of the report has ignited an excitement around unidentified flying craft that has not been seen for decades. Barack Obama even weighed in, telling CBS recently that “there’s footage and records of objects in the skies, that we don’t know exactly what they are”.

Val Demings, a Democratic congresswoman from Florida, was also present at the UAP briefing.

“You know it’s always about our safety and security. Our national security is No 1, and so that’s really the area where we really focused on this morning,” Demings said.

The unclassified version of the UAP report released to the public will contain a classified index, which could prevent the most sensitive information from being released.

Adam Schiff, the Democratic chair of the House intelligence committee, described this week’s meeting as “an interesting briefing”.

“I did learn things that were certainly new to me,” Schiff told reporters. “But I think I’m going to leave it at that.”

 

[gazza619]

Why do these UFOs only have love for the American continent and only get up shown there and not the rest of the world?

 

[Last Monetarist]

Why do these UFOs only have love for the American continent and only get up shown there and not the rest of the world?

It's just that the Americans kick up more fuss:

https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/780728-what-was-the-strange-object-pakistani-pilots-spotted-in-the-sky-near-rahim-yar-khan

https://www.dw.com/en/japan-orders-military-pilots-to-report-ufo-sightings/a-55081061

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46181662

https://france3-regions.francetvinfo.fr/paris-ile-de-france/ovni-9-cas-inexpliques-en-ile-de-france-recenses-dans-les-archives-du-geipan-2018578.html

 

[Last Monetarist]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/21/its-going-to-come-as-a-big-shock-ufo-experts-await-pentagon-report

Nearly 75 years after Roswell, the possibility that we are not alone in the universe is once again the talk of mainstream politics.

The impending release of a Pentagon report on the activities of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) has sparked a wave of interest and recent pronouncements from the programme’s former director, Luis Elizondo , have raised the eyebrows of ufologists worldwide.

“We are quite convinced that we’re dealing with a technology that is multigenerational, several generations ahead of what we consider next generation technology,” Elizondo told the Washington Post earlier this month.

But a world away from Washington, perhaps the biggest ripples have been felt in Todmorden, a quiet market town in the Pennines. About 20 miles north of Manchester, the town of 15,000 has been the site of a number of unexplained events and reported sightings – earning itself a reputation as Britain’s answer to Roswell in the process.

“I’ve had people stopping me in the street asking, ‘What do you make of this report then?’,” says Colin Lyall, Todmorden’s resident ufologist and convener of the local UFO society.

Lyall started the society in the summer of 2016 after completing a triptych entitled A Landmark Event, which he describes as an attempt to “visually convey the strange goings on in the Pennines valley before, during and after Alan’s event”.

Alan Godfrey, a former police officer and longtime resident of Todmorden, claims that he was abducted by aliens in the town in 1980 while investigating the mysterious death of Zigmund Adamski, a 56-year-old miner who was found on top of a coal pile six months earlier.

Godfrey has become something of a local celebrity, particularly since the publication of his 2017 book Who or What were They?, which is now in development with the Hollywood production company Graisland Entertainment.

Lyall is certainly proud of the association and happy to see Todmorden receive the world’s wider attention: “Alan’s event was 40 years ago, but it’s become such an iconic moment in the world of UFOs. The association between Todmorden and UFOs will always be there and that’s great because it makes it unique.”

When coronavirus restrictions allow, the society meets on Tuesdays at the Golden Lion Pub. It provides a forum where both local people and day-trippers can discuss their experiences and learn more about Alan Godfrey and ufology. The meetings habitually attract 30-50 people and are inclusive of different types of truth-seeker, from those driven by an interest in space travel and advanced technology (“nuts and bolts”, in ufology parlance) to those with more of a “new-age connection” with unexplainable phenomena.

“Ultimately it’s about enlightenment … not everyone at UFO night thinks about them in terms of flying saucers from other planets,” says Lyall.

Still, he cannot deny that people have “got excited at the prospect of [the US government] coming clean about what they know about our relationship with aliens”.

Whether the Pentagon report will reveal anything interesting has been a source of disagreement in the UFO community in recent weeks.

Gary Heseltine, a researcher (and former police detective) based in Holmfirth, West Yorkshire, has been sufficiently emboldened by the forthcoming report to set up the International Coalition for Extraterrestrial Research (ICER) in order to coordinate the global response and “prepare awareness classes for the public”.

“Whether it’s in 10 days’ time or 10 years, [confirmation of the existence of extraterrestrial life] is coming and it’s going to come as a big shock,” says Heseltine.

Heseltine met with Luis Elizondo prior to ICER’s launch on 25 May (exactly a month prior to the report’s release) and says the former AATIP programme director is “fully supportive” of the group’s global approach.

“Luis Elizondo has said many times that he’s seen high-quality videos of unidentified objects being recorded by navy pilots. Where are those? I want to see mainstream figures putting pressure on the government to release all this. If there’s nothing to hide, what’s the problem?”

Other experts are more circumspect, however. Steve Mera, the owner and CEO of Phenomena Magazine, the UK’s foremost UFO magazine (1.8 million online subscribers) urges caution, expecting it to have no more impact than the December 2017 New York Times report, which produced a flurry of excitement but no conclusive proof.

“I don’t think it’s going to deliver any answers but [the Pentagon report] reflects the fact that these things are real, they are out there and it’s not such a laughing matter any more”.

Dr David Clarke, principal research fellow at Sheffield Hallam University and co-founder of the Centre for Contemporary Legend, says: “I think it will be a huge damp squib. People who are expecting that this report will confirm all their preconceived ideas about aliens visiting us in flying saucers and buzzing US Navy pilots are going to be massively disappointed.”

“UFOs are really just a modern manifestation of that desire for there to be a higher power … Places like Todmorden have got longstanding traditions of people seeing strange lights, losing time or even being abducted by fairies.”

“In America, people have these experiences in remote desert areas like Area 51. But we live on a tiny little island. Our nearest equivalent is Rendlesham or the Pennine hills, ‘enchanted forests’ where you can go and have one of these out-of-this-world experiences.”

Independent of what the experts might think, speculation has been rife on Facebook groups and #ufotwitter about the likely contents of the report and what impact, if any, the findings will have on the world.

Ash Ellis, a 34-year-old poker dealer, founded the North West UFO Research and Investigation Facebook group in June 2020, which has since grown to almost 500 members.

“The report is on everyone’s lips at the minute and we are waiting with some trepidation for its release,” says Ellis.

Ellis’s focus is on UK UFO sightings – he says there have been 165 in 2021 so far – but he says he’s been following the recent chatter online with interest, if only because it’s engendered a change in the way he is perceived. “I’ve been called a crank, a conspiracy theorist, but that’s much rarer now. The US government just saying the words ‘UFOs are real’ was a huge moment and vindication for a lot of people.”

According to Nick Pope, who investigated UFOs for the Ministry of Defence in the early 1990s, “the rise of the internet and social media fundamentally changed ufology. It gave a voice to everyone. But in this field, that means some fairly colourful characters.”

“The revelations about AATIP have brought the subject out of the fringe and into the mainstream. For the UFO community, it’s like all their Christmases have come at once.”

 

[KingKhanWC]

It seems the Yanks want to spread this alien conspiracy, probably so they can test their new tech and blame it on aliens if anyone notices.

 

[Stewie]

The Americans are at it again, oh my god!!!!!!

 

[street cricketer]

I do think it's not unreasonable to think there are other forms of life out there, but I just think the galaxies systems are so far apart and further getting away at such an accelerated pace, that it's almost impossible for one form of life to travel to others' environment no matter how advanced that form of life is.

But if I'm wrong and it is possible, I for one cannot wait to welcome our alien overlords.

 

[Stewie]

I do think it's not unreasonable to think there are other forms of life out there, but I just think the galaxies systems are so far apart and further getting away at such an accelerated pace, that it's almost impossible for one form of life to travel to others' environment no matter how advanced that form of life is.

But if I'm wrong and it is possible, I for one cannot wait to welcome our alien overlords.

I think you will find the concepts of the Fermi Paradox and Drake’s equation fairly interesting. It is refreshing to see someone think logically here and not simply try to pass off their opinions as pompous self absorbed know it all “facts”

 

[street cricketer]

I think you will find the concepts of the Fermi Paradox and Drake’s equation fairly interesting. It is refreshing to see someone think logically here and not simply try to pass off their opinions as pompous self absorbed know it all “facts”

Tbh we are barely a speck of dust in the entire universe. Even within our own planet, we have just lived a very very small fraction of the time that the dinosaurs spent their existence on earth. So humans have barely lived a fraction of a second in the entire timeline of our own planet. So like I said, it's not unreasonable to think that there are other intelligent life forms that are in an advanced stage of evolution than us existing out there, or have lived and died out in stars and galaxies far away from us. We do not even know much about Mars, forget about other life forms in far away galaxies millions of light years away from us.

The world we know, the entire concept of life and death is very anthropocentric, centred around the human pov and so we like to think we just lucked out the lottery of life as a species in the universe. But for all we know, the human existence might be nothing but an insignificant second in the grand movie of life forms birthing and dying in constant cycles at different points in the universe, or possibly even a multiverse. We can only speculate.