What's your opinion on UFOs?

[PlanetPakistan]

I was watching a documentary on the History channel and the "experts" were saying that the only reason people don't believe in UFOs is simply because they haven't studied about the finds and discoveries in the last century or so!

 

[Daoud]

Entra's been abducted by one

 

[princess afridi]

i dont belive in ufo's its a load of rubbish. There is no other breathing living speciac in this galaxy except for us the humans.

 

[ShowStopper]

i dont belive in ufo's its a load of rubbish. There is no other breathing living speciac in this galaxy except for us the humans.

The first part is right, but the second one is incorrect.

 

[Daoud]

The first part is right, but the second one is incorrect.

Unbelievably incorrect. Earthians maybe

 

[Amir]

Does anyone know what Islam says about outer-earth spiecies?

 

[TAK]

I've not seen one in ages

 

[Daoud]

Does anyone know what Islam says about outer-earth spiecies?

Islam as in the Quran or Islam as in scholars

As far as I know, nothing in the Quran but it doesnt mean nothing exists

 

[princess afridi]

my bad there is other breathing things on this galaxy the plants and the nuture and the animals but my point is that there is no other living form other than what lives on the planet earth.

 

[Rob H]

I was listening to talksport late night on Tuesday and their was this comical discussion with this UFO "expert". He was saying all this ridiculous nonsense about flying ships in the 40s and how some have been shot down and used to make weapons with alien technology. I've never heard so much rubbish in my life.

 

[PlanetPakistan]

i dont belive in ufo's its a load of rubbish.

What's the reasoning behind your views?

 

[jatt13]

my bad there is other breathing things on this galaxy the plants and the nuture and the animals but my point is that there is no other living form other than what lives on the planet earth.

my opinion is that it is pretty egotistical to think that we are that important.... that there is no other living form other than what is on earth. what makes us so special? There are billions and billions of stars just like our sun. The possibilities are endless. Humans have been on this earth for a few hundred thousand years...and we became really advanced in what ...fifty years......do you realize how miniscule amount of time that is in the whole scheme of things (15 billion years of universe) . For another species to find us on earth they would have to be in a stage where they are advanced enough to travel through space and then would have to visit us while human life exists here on earth which has only been for a short time.

 

[PlanetPakistan]

my opinion is that it is pretty egotistical to think that we are that important.... that there is no other living form other than what is on earth. what makes us so special? There are billions and billions of stars just like our sun. The possibilities are endless. Humans have been on this earth for a few hundred thousand years...and we became really advanced in what ...fifty years......do you realize how miniscule amount of time that is in the whole scheme of things (15 billion years of universe) . For another species to find us on earth they would have to be in a stage where they are advanced enough to travel through space and then would have to visit us while human life exists here on earth which has only been for a short time.

Good post! So can it be interrupted that the other species are either younger than or as old as us or maybe they are simply not as intelligent as us!

 

[Invictus]

i dont belive in ufo's its a load of rubbish. There is no other breathing living speciac in this galaxy except for us the humans.

Dont know bout UFO's but to think that we are the only form of life in the Universe does'nt make any sense. There are millions of stars with millions of solar systems with million of milky ways with million of galaxies and we dont even know if this is the only universe. Its hard to believe with all those millions and millions of planets out there we are the only form of life.

 

[Mercenary]

i dont belive in ufo's its a load of rubbish. There is no other breathing living speciac in this galaxy except for us the humans.

I assume you're referring to sentient species. Well as Muslims we believe in Angels and Jinns so there's two more sentient species for you already.

Also Jinn were created before man and are to judged just like man is, there is nothing in Islam or the Quran to preclude the existence of sentient life on other planets. Anywhere where there is water there will be life...

"We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?"

Yusuf Ali Translation; 21:30

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/021.qmt.html#021.030

...and the Quran tells us that Allah created and spread life throughout the Universe not just on Earth...

"And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the living creatures that He has scattered through them: and He has power to gather them together when He wills."

Yusuf Ali Translation; 42:29

...but is this life sentient or is it plant and animal life? Well the following verse answers that...

019:093 - Not one of the beings in the heavens and the earth but must come to (Allah) Most Gracious as a servant.
019.094 - He does take an account of them (all), and hath numbered them (all) exactly.
019.095 - And everyone of them will come to Him singly on the Day of Judgment.
019.096 - On those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, will (Allah) Most Gracious bestow love.

Yusuf Ali Translation; 19:93-96

Allah is not going to gather and judge plants and non-sentient animals, so clearly there are other sentient life forms out there!!

My own personal view is that it would be arrogant to assume that with billions of trillions of planets, that somehow we on Earth are the only planet with sentient life! Discovering alien life wouldn't be a miracle, discovering there is no alien life would be!!

 

[Rana]

Excellent work Merc, absoloutly brilliant

 

[Zeenix]

I do believe in UFO's. because there is substantial amount of unverified and verified evidence to assume that they do exist. There have been substantiated sightings, remarkbly identical although the witnesses have been far apart. Some astronomers have also sighted UFO's
http://www.anomalous-images.com/astroufo.html
And there's an online database regarding ufo Sightings
http://www.larryhatch.net/

 

[Jimmy two-times]

I was listening to talksport late night on Tuesday and their was this comical discussion with this UFO "expert". He was saying all this ridiculous nonsense about flying ships in the 40s and how some have been shot down and used to make weapons with alien technology. I've never heard so much rubbish in my life.

Was that on the james whale show?

If it was then that guy did seem like he has lost his marbles, he said we were in grave danger but the government did not want to cause mass panic among the people by telling us who the threat was from.

I dont doubt the fact there could be other life forms in the universe but the problem I have is that how comes rednecks and fruitcakes in america are the only people to have seen UFO and aliens?

Also if these aliens dont want interact with normal people and only with people who have lost their minds how comes they have yet to have interact with people like javed maindad?

 

[sporticus]

There are so many books on the subject all have absolutly amazing facts in them .Things like tribes in Africa knowing the whereabouts of stars in the universe that hadnt been found at that time but have since .Also finding ancient artifacts that picture astronaughts and flying machines that look exactly like modern machines

 

[American Desi]

my bad there is other breathing things on this galaxy the plants and the nuture and the animals but my point is that there is no other living form other than what lives on the planet earth.

Yes me too think there no other living other than living on planet earth other than us human others

 

[jatt13]

Good post! So can it be interrupted that the other species are either younger than or as old as us or maybe they are simply not as intelligent as us!

sort of... there are many things that one must consider...first of all finding another species is not like finding a lost television remote control in your room...but more like finding a particular grain of sand on a beach. the fact that there is life on another planet is almost a must...but whether they are intelligent enought to travel through space is another question...because that is something that is very rare....on earth...there are millions and millions of species and there have been millions more that have gone extinct...yet only one so far out of the millions has been able to acomplish space travel. so that might be a rarity in the universe aswell. also other species may have already lived and died before we were even created on earth...the universe is 15 billion years old...and our sun has another 4/5 billion years left before we are done for....so other stars could have easily died out before our sun gave us life.

 

[PlanetPakistan]

sort of... there are many things that one must consider...first of all finding another species is not like finding a lost television remote control in your room...but more like finding a particular grain of sand on a beach. the fact that there is life on another planet is almost a must...but whether they are intelligent enought to time travel is another question...because that is something that is very rare....on earth...there are millions and millions of species and there have been millions more that have gone extinct...yet only one so far out of the millions has been able to acomplish space travel. so that might be a rarity in the universe aswell. also other species may have already lived and died before we were even created on earth...the universe is 15 billion years old...and our sun has another 4/5 billion years left before we are done for....so other stars could have easily died out before our sun gave us life.

Another good post Jatt bhai!
It's a bit off topic but as you know that it takes 8 minutes for light to reach to us from Sun and sun is sooooo many millions of miles away from us! Now get this it has been recored that it takes 2.6*10^7 LIGHT years for light to reach from certain stars to the earth!! Just goes on to show how friken huge the universe is!!!

 

[jatt13]

Another good post Jatt bhai!
It's a bit off topic but as you know that it takes 8 minutes for light to reach to us from Sun and sun is sooooo many millions of miles away from us! Now get this it has been recored that it takes 2.6*10^7 LIGHT years for light to reach from certain stars to the earth!! Just goes on to show how friken huge the universe is!!!

thats so true...i was just thinking of this thread on the way home from work as i was driving.....i was like "theres probably another chap on another world driving home thinking the same thing as i am as to whether life exists elsewhere" the universe is huge.....the stars you see at night are not as they are shining today...but as they shone billions of years go for some of them..but the light is reaching us now.....some stars that we see may actually no longer be there...or supernovas could be explosions that occured a long long time ago but we see the explosion today. it is pretty interesting stuff.

 

[Rob H]

Was that on the james whale show?

If it was then that guy did seem like he has lost his marbles, he said we were in grave danger but the government did not want to cause mass panic among the people by telling us who the threat was from.

Yes, i think it was. It was amazing how much that guy kept going on about conspiracies between all the governments and working on alien technology for these attacks that will happen. The man should be put in one of these loony bins.

 

[akram_rejuvinated]

there is a famous equation called the "drakes's equation" or "drakes probability" that attempts to evaluate the probability that life exists elsewhere in this universe or even this very galaxy. though the parameters of that equation are well justified, putting a numerical value to them is not possible for obvious reasons as we dont have a sample to study. nevertheless, the equation, with the most conservative estimations yields over several million other lifeforms in this universe.

as for UFOs, thats really a load of crap as faster than light travel is theoretically impossible. however, if some lifeform out there has succeeded in creating artificial wormholes in space, which is scientifically possible, and infact we can do it too, but it uses a tremendous amount of energy and it would be too unstable to send any matter through it. nevertheless, if such a technology exists, it is yet unlikely that any of these other species would come to earth for the mere sake of contact. if a species does in fact visit earth, its either in distress due to some planetary hazard or has the intentions of enslaving us. both scenarios are highly unplausible unless this species is as reckless and greedy like us humans.

 

[evertonfan]

I am very convinced that they are real; There is just so much evidence for their existence.

 

[adi 101]

I think ufo's are a load of ****! But i do believe there is life outside of earth (apart from miggybro) i meen the whole universe is massive there is bound to be life.

 

[The Blazer]

For anyone interested in the topic of aliens and government conspiracies, make sure you check out:

http://tinwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page

It's basically a wikipedia of 'alternative topics'.

 

[z10]

ziggy is one

 

[PlanetPakistan]

there is a famous equation called the "drakes's equation" or "drakes probability" that attempts to evaluate the probability that life exists elsewhere in this universe or even this very galaxy. though the parameters of that equation are well justified, putting a numerical value to them is not possible for obvious reasons as we dont have a sample to study. nevertheless, the equation, with the most conservative estimations yields over several million other lifeforms in this universe.

as for UFOs, thats really a load of crap as faster than light travel is theoretically impossible. however, if some lifeform out there has succeeded in creating artificial wormholes in space, which is scientifically possible, and infact we can do it too, but it uses a tremendous amount of energy and it would be too unstable to send any matter through it. nevertheless, if such a technology exists, it is yet unlikely that any of these other species would come to earth for the mere sake of contact. if a species does in fact visit earth, its either in distress due to some planetary hazard or has the intentions of enslaving us. both scenarios are highly unplausible unless this species is as reckless and greedy like us humans.

Interesting point about wormholes there MB! I did read about it in a book called "Hyperspace" and i found it quite Intriguing! There are quite a few possibilities here one being that no specie has been able to create wormholes because if they had then must have also noted that us humans are trying so explore the universe and trying hard to contact with other species or maybe they have and are trying to contact us but as jatt said it's very hard to find other spices. Another possibility could be that they consider us a "threat" and don't want to come near us or maybe they consider us useless and are simply not interested!

 

[akram_rejuvinated]

Interesting point about wormholes there MB! I did read about it in a book called "Hyperspace" and i found it quite Intriguing! There are quite a few possibilities here one being that no specie has been able to create wormholes because if they had then must have also noted that us humans are trying so explore the universe and trying hard to contact with other species or maybe they have and are trying to contact us but as jatt said it's very hard to find other spices. Another possibility could be that they consider us a "threat" and don't want to come near us or maybe they consider us useless and are simply not interested!

actually human beings have abandoned a vigorous attempt to seek out other life and true, if you can create wormholes, it would certainly lead us to come in contact with another species since our very first radio broadcasts have reached well beyond our solar system... however, one must consider some issues. for one, discovering wormholes would require a dedicated space program that this particular species would have to fund at a high expense. it makes you want to question what species would be willing to expend such high amount of resources on space exploration, and if they are, what are their intentions?

as i said, if we do come in contact with another intelligent alien lifeform, it would either be because this alien species had to abandon its home planet, as we ourselves would have to in less than 500 years or because this species has colonial intent.

till then, i ll stick to science fiction, stargate and battlestar galactica...

quick poll... how many of you aspired to be an astronaut?

 

[akram_rejuvinated]

if anyone is interested in the SETI project, let me know and i can show you how you can contribute to this program by letting SETI use your computer during downtime to evaluate data that it collects. BTW SETI = Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence.

 

[Disco_Lemonade]

if anyone is interested in the SETI project, let me know and i can show you how you can contribute to this program by letting SETI use your computer during downtime to evaluate data that it collects. BTW SETI = Search for Extra Terrestrial Intelligence.

u sure did watch koi mil gaya 100 times

 

[akram_rejuvinated]

u sure did watch koi mil gaya 100 times

actually not even once. but i do read.

 

[jatt13]

Interesting point about wormholes there MB! I did read about it in a book called "Hyperspace" and i found it quite Intriguing! There are quite a few possibilities here one being that no specie has been able to create wormholes because if they had then must have also noted that us humans are trying so explore the universe and trying hard to contact with other species or maybe they have and are trying to contact us but as jatt said it's very hard to find other spices. Another possibility could be that they consider us a "threat" and don't want to come near us or maybe they consider us useless and are simply not interested!

I had found a great example on the internet of how difficult it would be to contact another species but i cant find the article now so i will just try to write out the jist of it. The article says that one must first make the distinction between intelligent life and technical life. The egyptians, ancient greeks and romans were certainly intelligent but they did not have the technology to receive messages from outerspace via satellite or radio etc.

the star Epsilon Eridani is only 10 light years away from us....a stones throw away from us in astronomical distances. i believe it also has a jupiter like planet at the right distances and smaller planets closer to the star just like our solar system. The article says that imagine if this solar system had technically advanced life that was trying to reach us for thousands of years before going extinct for various reasons around 1600 AD or so. They would have been sending signals to a blue planet that they saw near by that unbeknown to them would have been teaming with life. But ofcourse nobody on earth would have been able to receive this message at that time. And now when we are advanced and are now sending messages to this solar system there may no longer be anybody there that can listen. The timing between civiliations would have to be perfect for any contact to be made.

Edit: actually Epsilon Eridani is much younger than us...and provides a snap shot of what our solar system could have looked like...but thats not the point i was trying to make

 

[Oxy]

I have tried to stay away from this thread - but can do so no more.

Some 20 years ago, when I was about 14-15 years old, I had a UFO experience.

I have no photographic evidence to substantiate my claims, but I know what I saw and heard.

I was in the countryside - so lots of wide open spaces and clear skies.

We were camping - possibly about 2am. I was the only one awake, so I stepped outside the tent and just gazed into the sky.

I could see a couple of bright lights moving erratically - but moving closer and closer - yet independantly of each other.

I just assumed they were helicopters/light aircraft - but the absence of 'plane/copter' sounds was strange.

These lights continued their behaviour for a good 30 mins - and I was intrigued by them.

Then one of them suddenly stopped in mid air and started to descend towards the ground - I have no idea how far away they were. I could clearly see a beam of light shining to the ground. This 'ball of light' was making a 'buzzing sound' - and it descended further down.

The other light then started to descend and soon they were both parellel to each other - andb both descended groundwards - and both were shining beams of light.

After a couple of minutes - the beams stopped. The buzzing stopped. The lights ascended - and they continued moving erratically, and then disappeared from where they came.

Never spoke about it to anyone. Until today.

 

[z10]

I have tried to stay away from this thread - but can do so no more.

Some 20 years ago, when I was about 14-15 years old, I had a UFO experience.

I have no photographic evidence to substantiate my claims, but I know what I saw and heard.

I was in the countryside - so lots of wide open spaces and clear skies.

We were camping - possibly about 2am. I was the only one awake, so I stepped outside the tent and just gazed into the sky.

I could see a couple of bright lights moving erratically - but moving closer and closer - yet independantly of each other.

I just assumed they were helicopters/light aircraft - but the absence of 'plane/copter' sounds was strange.

These lights continued their behaviour for a good 30 mins - and I was intrigued by them.

Then one of them suddenly stopped in mid air and started to descend towards the ground - I have no idea how far away they were. I could clearly see a beam of light shining to the ground. This 'ball of light' was making a 'buzzing sound' - and it descended further down.

The other light then started to descend and soon they were both parellel to each other - andb both descended groundwards - and both were shining beams of light.

After a couple of minutes - the beams stopped. The buzzing stopped. The lights ascended - and they continued moving erratically, and then disappeared from where they came.

Never spoke about it to anyone. Until today.

...and entra was born...

 

[Oxy]

...and entra was born...

Lets pray they come back and take what's rightfully theirs....

 

[Disco_Lemonade]

lol @ post # 37
neways UFO's i think can also be Shaitan/Jinns/etc. ppl who have experienced UFO's usually saw 'light' and i think most of them experienced it in night (or after sunset). now sunset mean time of Maghrib Prayers. and if im not mistaken in Quran it is mentioned (Allah forgive me if im wrong) shaitaans/jinns or for that matter other species land onto earth during/after Maghrib. Can there be any connection???

 

[PlanetPakistan]

I had found a great example on the internet of how difficult it would be to contact another species but i cant find the article now so i will just try to write out the jist of it. The article says that one must first make the distinction between intelligent life and technical life. The egyptians, ancient greeks and romans were certainly intelligent but they did not have the technology to receive messages from outerspace via satellite or radio etc.

the star Epsilon Eridani is only 10 light years away from us....a stones throw away from us in astronomical distances. i believe it also has a jupiter like planet at the right distances and smaller planets closer to the star just like our solar system. The article says that imagine if this solar system had technically advanced life that was trying to reach us for thousands of years before going extinct for various reasons around 1600 AD or so. They would have been sending signals to a blue planet that they saw near by that unbeknown to them would have been teaming with life. But ofcourse nobody on earth would have been able to receive this message at that time. And now when we are advanced and are now sending messages to this solar system there may no longer be anybody there that can listen. The timing between civiliations would have to be perfect for any contact to be made.

Edit: actually Epsilon Eridani is much younger than us...and provides a snap shot of what our solar system could have looked like...but thats not the point i was trying to make

Thanks for the information!
Yes that article does make some sense! The timing has to be perfect and considering how old our universe is 500-600 years is like a drop in an ocean! Look at it this way it took us human beings millions of years to be technically advance enough to know what was going on in the outer space and now imagine if we go extinct in the next thousand years or so then all that work would have gone down the drain and the next intelligent specie will have to start from zero!

 

[PlanetPakistan]

I have tried to stay away from this thread - but can do so no more.

Some 20 years ago, when I was about 14-15 years old, I had a UFO experience.

I have no photographic evidence to substantiate my claims, but I know what I saw and heard.

I was in the countryside - so lots of wide open spaces and clear skies.

We were camping - possibly about 2am. I was the only one awake, so I stepped outside the tent and just gazed into the sky.

I could see a couple of bright lights moving erratically - but moving closer and closer - yet independantly of each other.

I just assumed they were helicopters/light aircraft - but the absence of 'plane/copter' sounds was strange.

These lights continued their behaviour for a good 30 mins - and I was intrigued by them.

Then one of them suddenly stopped in mid air and started to descend towards the ground - I have no idea how far away they were. I could clearly see a beam of light shining to the ground. This 'ball of light' was making a 'buzzing sound' - and it descended further down.

The other light then started to descend and soon they were both parellel to each other - andb both descended groundwards - and both were shining beams of light.

After a couple of minutes - the beams stopped. The buzzing stopped. The lights ascended - and they continued moving erratically, and then disappeared from where they came.

Never spoke about it to anyone. Until today.

wooo Thanks Oxy bhai for sharing that!
I know it was dark but did you actually get to see the source of the light?

 

[PlanetPakistan]

there is a famous equation called the "drakes's equation" or "drakes probability" that attempts to evaluate the probability that life exists elsewhere in this universe or even this very galaxy. though the parameters of that equation are well justified, putting a numerical value to them is not possible for obvious reasons as we dont have a sample to study. nevertheless, the equation, with the most conservative estimations yields over several million other lifeforms in this universe.

Yes it's a handy tool but the way i understand is that it simply skips the 1st step and moves to step 2!

 

[The Blazer]

lol @ post # 37
neways UFO's i think can also be Shaitan/Jinns/etc. ppl who have experienced UFO's usually saw 'light' and i think most of them experienced it in night (or after sunset). now sunset mean time of Maghrib Prayers. and if im not mistaken in Quran it is mentioned (Allah forgive me if im wrong) shaitaans/jinns or for that matter other species land onto earth during/after Maghrib. Can there be any connection???

Interesting theory, bhai, but then how do you explain the numerous genuine photographs and eye-witness accounts that clearly show a 'craft' hovering in the sky?

 

[akram_rejuvinated]

Yes it's a handy tool but the way i understand is that it simply skips the 1st step and moves to step 2!

i am not sure i follow what you mean... if you are implying that the equation is not numerical, then true, you cannot been numerical values for something you cannot observe.

 

[PlanetPakistan]

i am not sure i follow what you mean... if you are implying that the equation is not numerical, then true, you cannot been numerical values for something you cannot observe.

Yea that's what i mean! There are just too many unknowns and at the end of the day it's just a vague approximation(at least for now)!

 

[akram_rejuvinated]

Yea that's what i mean! There are just too many unknowns and at the end of the day it's just a vague approximation(at least for now)!

true, i ll go a step further that not only are there too many unknowns (actually 6), but also it is not an approximation. but the truth of the matter, irrespective how remove the individual unknowns are, multiplied by the number of galaxies in the known universe, the possible number of alien lifeforms with comparative intelligence or superior intelligence is over several multiples of millions!

 

[ziggy]

UFO's are good, i like them a lot

 

[entralinks]

I have tried to stay away from this thread - but can do so no more.

Some 20 years ago, when I was about 14-15 years old, I had a UFO experience.

Never spoke about it to anyone. Until today.

Had a similar experience last year, but in the daylight. A ball of fire, like 'fanoos', moving left and right with rapid speed in the sky and then disappeared.

There is definitely life beyond earth, maybe even humans just like us, with their own prophets, version of Qur'an (from loh-e-mehfooz) and physics. There are some mentionings of 'We will bring you all together on that day...' etc. in the Qur'an. Perhaps we're not the only ones being spoken to here.

 

[in_cutter]

lol @ post # 37
neways UFO's i think can also be Shaitan/Jinns/etc. ppl who have experienced UFO's usually saw 'light' and i think most of them experienced it in night (or after sunset). now sunset mean time of Maghrib Prayers. and if im not mistaken in Quran it is mentioned (Allah forgive me if im wrong) shaitaans/jinns or for that matter other species land onto earth during/after Maghrib. Can there be any connection???

Ive read something similiar before...after all Jinn's/Shaitan do try to fool us and believe in things.

 

[Jonty]

wow interesting posts in here guys...

 

[Jonty]

Had a similar experience last year, but in the daylight. A ball of fire, like 'fanoos', moving left and right with rapid speed in the sky and then disappeared.

There is definitely life beyond earth, maybe even humans just like us, with their own prophets, version of Qur'an (from loh-e-mehfooz) and physics. There are some mentionings of 'We will bring you all together on that day...' etc. in the Qur'an. Perhaps we're not the only ones being spoken to here.

please tell me more about this "loh-e-mehfooz"

 

[Oxy]

wooo Thanks Oxy bhai for sharing that!
I know it was dark but did you actually get to see the source of the light?

I'll be honest with - I just made the whole thing up. As if would go camping!!!

 

[Jonty]

I'll be honest with - I just made the whole thing up. As if would go camping!!!

in that case i must now reveal the truth. I am an "alien" - I am from the Planet Arus in a galaxy far far away..

 

[z10]

in that case i must now reveal the truth. I am an "alien" - I am from the Planet Arus in a galaxy far far away..

replace the r with an n and ill beleive you

 

[entralinks]

Jonty loh-e-mehfooz is like a tablet above the first heaven I believe, you could say a book even, where everything that happened, is happening and will happen is written. Basically the whole fate of the creation. They say it is of a normal size but still holds that much info, best example would be DNA or a hard drive. Qur'an is actually a small portion out of it, hence imagine loh-e-mehfooz's stature in the universe or the whole creation.

So when I mentioned it, I meant maybe a different version of a qur'an, or just a book with some other name, that comprises of different verses to ours, could have been sent to people on other planets that suit their environment, nature, life etc. to give them their share of guidance through their own prophets. And that means perhaps we are the most lucky ones to have Muhammed come to us. Or maybe he did pay visit to them during his Miraj, and could even have spent years there teaching them, while it counted only as one night on earth. Countless possibilities, thus fascinating.

 

[Officer Barbrady]

Entra is your man. He's seem them and been on visits to ufolands too.

 

[PlanetPakistan]

I'll be honest with - I just made the whole thing up. As if would go camping!!!

 

[Invictus]

Try this if you so shall please. I dont believe the guy but it is/was spooky:
http://www.johntitor.com/

 

[Jonty]

Jonty loh-e-mehfooz is like a tablet above the first heaven I believe, you could say a book even, where everything that happened, is happening and will happen is written. Basically the whole fate of the creation. They say it is of a normal size but still holds that much info, best example would be DNA or a hard drive. Qur'an is actually a small portion out of it, hence imagine loh-e-mehfooz's stature in the universe or the whole creation.

So when I mentioned it, I meant maybe a different version of a qur'an, or just a book with some other name, that comprises of different verses to ours, could have been sent to people on other planets that suit their environment, nature, life etc. to give them their share of guidance through their own prophets. And that means perhaps we are the most lucky ones to have Muhammed come to us. Or maybe he did pay visit to them during his Miraj, and could even have spent years there teaching them, while it counted only as one night on earth. Countless possibilities, thus fascinating.

entra.. is this just an assumption or is there islamic evidence to support this?

 

[PlanetPakistan]

Interesting stuff.....
http://www.ufoevidence.org/

 

[Nakhuda]

Do you believe in U.F.O's??

Just wondering if any people on this site believe in U.F.O' s??.I know a good many people including Muslims who claim to have experienced
"strange lights and shapes in the sky" but for me seeing is believing!!.
Movies like "Independance Day","E.T" and "Koi Mil Geya" are very enjoyable though.Do creatures,alien beings or life on other planets convince anyone here??

 

[Nauman]

Dont know about UFOs but you do wonder that God wouldnt have created such a massive solar system / galaxy / whatever only to have life on one small planet which doesnt even make 1 billionth part of it.

 

[Hash]

No evidence for or against so not sure really.

 

[Daoud]

Entra asked me to give a phainty to anyone who brings up his name and embarasses him in front of thousands of people

 

[Mercenary]

I don't not believe in UFO's but I don't believe they would travel billions of light years just to kidnap some rednecks!!

I think it's probably the US government that's kidnapping them for illegal experiments, it wouldnt surprised me if they engineered the whole UFO myth to cover it up!

Actually that would make a great movie. Call Spielberg!

 

[The Blazer]

I don't not believe in UFO's but I don't believe they would travel billions of light years just to kidnap some rednecks!!

I think it's probably the US government that's kidnapping them for illegal experiments, it wouldnt surprised me if they engineered the whole UFO myth to cover it up!

Actually that would make a great movie. Call Spielberg!

Only problem is it's already been made...

X-Files.

 

[mooz]

I don't not believe in UFO's but I don't believe they would travel billions of light years just to kidnap some rednecks!!

I think it's probably the US government that's kidnapping them for illegal experiments, it wouldnt surprised me if they engineered the whole UFO myth to cover it up!

Actually that would make a great movie. Call Spielberg!

Why would the US govt needs to fabricate UFO sightings to kidnap people for experiments when there are thousands of homeless and illegal "aliens" ( i mean people without valid visas) who will not be missed if they were kidnapped for experimentation?

 

[Mercenary]

Why would the US govt needs to fabricate UFO sightings to kidnap people for experiments when there are thousands of homeless and illegal "aliens" ( i mean people without valid visas) who will not be missed if they were kidnapped for experimentation?

Yeah but the homeless are usually riddled with diseases or addicted to hard drugs. Perhaps they're unsuitable for the experiments they have in mind!

 

[PlanetPakistan]

Yeah but the homeless are usually riddled with diseases or addicted to hard drugs. Perhaps they're unsuitable for the experiments they have in mind!

Man there are thousands of completely healthy illegal aliens...they do hard core labor for 15 hours/day.

 

[Wazeeri]

I believe in UFO's but I don't believe it is aliens flying them

 

[PlanetPakistan]

I believe in UFO's but I don't believe it is aliens flying them

....i suppose any old bird can be a 'UFO' to some people.

 

[The Blazer]

Actually, to develop the 'UFOs are man-made' theory-

Towards the end of WW2 when the Germans were being pushed back by the Allies, Hitler reassured the German public by proclaiming that the war could be won yet as he was yet to unveil his 'secret weapons'. However, what ever these weapons were, they never got the chance to be unleashed as German forces collapsed as the Allies claimed victory. The American then supposedly stole the Nazi 'secret weapon' designs and took them back to the US...Which in turn led to the whole UFO phenomena.

Meh, too tired to explain it in detail right now. Just ponder over the above if you will.

 

[Sean]

I don't know if UFOs/Aliens exist. But I do think there is life out there.
We can't be the only planet with life on it. There has to be other planets. It's crazy if we are the only planet.

 

[PlanetPakistan]

Read this guys! A speed of 9000 mph is out of this world(literally)

http://www.ufocasebook.com/gulfmexico.html

What the article doesn't mention is that the merged object actually came to rest in 2 or 3 seconds(not exactly sure but it was definitely less than 3 seconds). So how is it possible for the aliens to survive such an incredibly high g force? surely they must have had something built in the ship(s) to counter inertia ?

please comment on this because i want to ask another question.

 

[The Blazer]

Yeah, I've heard about this.

Obviously the inside cabins of these crafts are built to nullify the effects of the G-forces, otherwise whoever's inside would become pancaked (unless of course they are not carbon based life forms).

 

[Zechariah]

They are advanced aircrafts built by the advanced nations to spy on other nations. That's why you see them in "advanced countries" more as compared to in 'less advanced' countries.

 

[Zechariah]

Read this guys! A speed of 9000 mph is out of this world(literally)

http://www.ufocasebook.com/gulfmexico.html

What the article doesn't mention is that the merged object actually came to rest in 2 or 3 seconds(not exactly sure but it was definitely less than 3 seconds). So how is it possible for the aliens to survive such an incredibly high g force? surely they must have had something built in the ship(s) to counter inertia ?

please comment on this because i want to ask another question.

I guess if they can balance the gravitational forces with equal anti forces to cancel them out then we can have equilibrium - freedom to move freely anywhere.

 

[PlanetPakistan]

I guess if they can balance the gravitational forces with equal anti forces to cancel them out then we can have equilibrium - freedom to move freely anywhere.

if us humans can build something remotely as efficient then we would be able to save thousands of lives of people who die in car crashes each year.

so the question that i wanted to ask
If the aliens are so far ahead of MAN then doesn't it contradict our religious beliefs?

 

[Zechariah]

if us humans can build something remotely as efficient then we would be able to save thousands of lives of people who die in car crashes each year.

so the question that i wanted to ask
If the aliens are so far ahead of MAN then doesn't it contradict our religious beliefs?

I was watching this programme on discovery where a couple of scientists have used the anti-gravity concept to keep the machine in the air for about 5 minutes, which is a great advancements as it will lead to flying cars

According to the Quran, the human is the most intelligent bieng created by Allah. That's why we know that Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) was the best of all creations and that all prophet and all of Allah's books came to earth and only earth.

 

[mmkextreme_1]

Aliens and UFOs

I was watching a program on National Geographic about UFO's and they were showing all these sightings and stuff, specially the Phoenix Lights, and it came to me, why do all these sightings happen to happen in the USA, and not in Asia?

Anyways, all the video stuff, I guess all of it can't be fake, I think there is life forms out there that are way more technologically advanced then us, and the problem is that they come here and they can't see us and we can't see them, and that is because, that is how ALLAH wanted it, or they just watch us, I don't know, there is overwhelming evidence of this stuff and yet no concrete evidence, even thou the military is said to have found something and but covered it up over night, maybe the answers we are looking for are in Area 51? I don't know!


So what is your take on this issue, do you believe there are other life forms in the world, do you think it is wise for us to meet them, and if you don't beleive in this stuff and consider this nonsense, then what do you say to all this UFO sightings, all of them cannot be false, especially something like the Phoenix lights! Feel free to share your input on this, really intrested to know what PPers think of this!

Is there anything out there or not, and if no what is all the sightings and if yes, why can't wee meet them or do you think it would be wise to meet them?


PS: Afridi doesn't count, we know what is what in his case, so no Afridi stuff in this thread, just consitrating on the topic above! So your input guys???!