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When did we start doing the customary "sajda" on a half century?

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I witnessed this last week when Faheem Ashraf scored a fifty against Ireland, and then today when Usman Salahuddin took off his helmet and did a sajda on a fifty, let alone against a tier-2 county side.

Have our standards fallen so much?
 
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Nothing wrong with it. These are young players who haven't played much test cricket in the past and 50s are big achievements for them. Hopefully they perform to such a standard where they don't feel the need to do sajdas for 50s at all.
 
Faheem bats at #8 so there is a big chance he will never get a test hundred. For example, Sarfraz who bats at #7 and played 40 matches, only has 3 hundreds. And he is better than Rana jee.

Also, Faheem did it at the end of the over, so there was time anyway.

For Usman, this is his first time playing for Pakistan senior team, so it's important.

Us sitting behind the screen don't know how much hours of work and dedication it takes to become a professional cricketer. When all of that pays off, it's natural to show emotion.
 
Consider it a celebration ritual and dont read too much else into it.
 
Who's "we"? Mate, you aren't the one scoring the half century. The player can celebrate however he wants.
 
After some time he'd gotten 1 innings to prove his worth, had he failed he would have probably been lost in the domestic circuit forever. Its more to what the game means to him and his future in the PCT. Its only a sajda anyways, has to do with the nature of the man, some are very thankful and tend to thank Allah for even the smallest of achievements
 
Maybe it's just a reflection of how difficult Pakistani batsmen find it to score runs these days. They'll be doing it after every boundary soon enough.
 
Maybe you should look more into Islamic ideology. They don’t do sajdas as a celebration and show off to the crowd as one would do when getting a high achievement as an 100.

Sajdas are matter of the Muslim player and God (Allah) only. They are done to humble one selves, thank the Almighty for allowing them to reach something, weather it be 50 or 100.
 
i dont see anything wrong in that . if it is the first step of the ladder you should be thankful you got a good start .
 
Much better than
a) cursing someone's mother and sister after scoring a century

b) showing 'yeah talk nah'

c) giving themselves pat on the back with their helmet and pointing towards the media.

Can you guess who I am talking about?
'a' category has so many players. :inti
 
What's it to you, bud? If the player wants to overtly show that he is thankful to God, then let him do so. In fact, this should be encouraged since people need to learn to be thankful for the little things in life as well as the big.

How many youngsters in Pakistan playing street cricket day in, day out would love to go on a tour with their heroes and play against an English county? Ask them what it would mean for them and then consider that most of the guys in our teams were once just like those kids.
 
Pakistani cricketers make unnecessary references to religion an god. After all this is a mere sport. Statements like "Allah helped to take 5 wickets/ get a century" make me cringe. It is like god has better things to do bruh.
 
Consider it a celebration ritual and dont read too much else into it.

If I'm not wrong I think it became a trend after our cricketers were seen doing it during the 1992 world cup win...
 
Don't read too much into it. People can do what they want, also it's Ramadhan so that could have contributed to Usman Salahuddin doing the sajda as mainly Muslims feel more spiritual etc in this month.

And for Faheem Ashraf, his 50 was very important, that too on debut.
 
I witnessed this last week when Faheem Ashraf scored a fifty against Ireland, and then today when Usman Salahuddin took off his helmet and did a sajda on a fifty, let alone against a tier-2 county side.

Have our standards fallen so much?

It was a debut 50
 
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Ever notice Bangladesh players never do the sajdah?
 
Pakistani players are happy with just a fifty which is why they do it.

No hunger or desire for big hundreds.
 
I witnessed this last week when Faheem Ashraf scored a fifty against Ireland, and then today when Usman Salahuddin took off his helmet and did a sajda on a fifty, let alone against a tier-2 county side.

Have our standards fallen so much?

I couldn't agree more. We also see the players celebrating excessively when they take wickets against the likes of WI and SL in meaningless bilaterals as well. The standards have fallen and the team has a small team mentality which is the biggest problem that needs to be addressed with Pakistan cricket. The Pakistan team of the 80s, 90s and 2000s were not a bunch of timid kittens (not my words - but those of Nasser and Atherton).

It's fantastic to be obedient to our Lord but there are better and more rewarding ways to do this for e.g. reading additional 2 nafl prayer at the end of the day to give thanks.
 
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Seems that expectations have lowered.

Next we'll be seeing a Sajdah from a player when he's scored 25 runs in a Test innings.
 
Much better than
a) cursing someone's mother and sister after scoring a century

b) showing 'yeah talk nah'

c) giving themselves pat on the back with their helmet and pointing towards the media.

Can you guess who I am talking about?
'a' category has so many players. :inti

b - Ramdin
c- Nasser

Any more clues to who the other matey is?
 
Seems that expectations have lowered.

Next we'll be seeing a Sajdah from a player when he's scored 25 runs in a Test innings.

At this rate we will see a Sajdah after ever run scored.
 
They can off course thank the almighty in their heart without ever uttering a word. It reminds me of the anecdote when someone asked a Queensland Administrator if Matt Hayden if did the cross sign when scoring a century like did when he scored a 100 for the national side, the reply was no, "not even god watches shield cricket".
 
Again a small matter, no need to make such a big issue out of it
Let them be
 
Doing a public "sajdah" as an expression of joy and gratitude towards Allah is something which is not the norm in the Muslim societies nor is it part of Islamic tradition. Especially the way it is done during a sports event in which no matter where you do it your head is going to face a bunch of people sitting in the crowd.

To me it represents a desperate attempt by the Muslims to have something of an aquivalent to the Christian catholics doing their symbolic cross.

According to Islamic traditions saying "alhamdullilah" is all that's required to show your gratitude towards Allah. And if it is something really big you can go and pray two "rakah" of "nafl". The only time you are required to do sajdah like this is when you read or hear a number of particular Quranic verse which talk about sajdah.

While culturally speaking I can't remember ever seeing a Pakistani who upon hearing a good news fell to the ground and did the sajdah. Or any other Muslim for that matter.

I don't know how or when this habit of Muslim athletes to do sajdah started but it does make me cringe. Especially considering the fact that the unaware non Muslims think you are kissing the dirty ground.

Since it has become a sort tradition amongst the Muslim athletes I won't be surprised if part of them feel the social pressure while doing it.
 
I think people are misunderstanding the op. He’s not trying to imply that our players shouldn’t do the sajda but why they’re doing the sajda at such small milestone of 50 runs.

Have our batting standards fallen so much that we need to sajda after every 50.
 
I don't have a problem with it... Also didn't see Imam or Babar doing sajda after their fifties.
 
I think people are misunderstanding the op. He’s not trying to imply that our players shouldn’t do the sajda but why they’re doing the sajda at such small milestone of 50 runs.

Have our batting standards fallen so much that we need to sajda after every 50.

Yeah - Sajda is a big moment, and ideally should be done after a big achievement (like double century or winning the CT)

There's other ways to thank God than to perform Sajda after every little milestone
 
This nothing to do with religion, when did you see Amla or Moeen Ali doing that ? There is no need to do this.
This a Pakistani "invention"
Under current selection team, its better to this after every hitting a four or after a maiden over, or dot ball in T20.
 
So young players that are making their debut, fighting for a position in the side for matches against England are happy to perform on their very first tour....

my god lets lock them up.
 
So young players that are making their debut, fighting for a position in the side for matches against England are happy to perform on their very first tour....

my god lets lock them up.


They score a 50 and they act like they’ve just made a double 100. The point is we shouldn’t be celebrating at such a small milestone but let’s aim higher and celebrate when it’s actually worthy celebrating
 
They score a 50 and they act like they’ve just made a double 100. The point is we shouldn’t be celebrating at such a small milestone but let’s aim higher and celebrate when it’s actually worthy celebrating

We?

No one is asking you to celebrate lol.

They are celebrating or thanking god or whatever. They have not asked you to participate in their celebrations so you dont need to feel obliged.
 
Those who are criticizing for doing "sajda" as 'shukar' to God would have had issue when a christian player does cross after getting a wicket or scoring some scores?

If you are uncomfortable, one shouldn't be, because player aren't making you to do anything, then stop watching them bat. or turn off your TV.

That is player personal choice, you heard, the pseudo-bearer of democracy and right to express themselves, they are expressing themselves.

Some of the people here are doing exactly what they try to preach against. Ridiculous
 
Not a big issue if someone who only played 5-10 matches does sajdah

But once they're more established they shouldn't do that
 
What exactly is the issue? Publicly thanking the Almighty, or thanking the Almighty for reaching just 50 runs? Ridiculous.
 
What's it to you, bud? If the player wants to overtly show that he is thankful to God, then let him do so. In fact, this should be encouraged since people need to learn to be thankful for the little things in life as well as the big.

How many youngsters in Pakistan playing street cricket day in, day out would love to go on a tour with their heroes and play against an English county? Ask them what it would mean for them and then consider that most of the guys in our teams were once just like those kids.

Finally! Somebody understands!
 
This nothing to do with religion, when did you see Amla or Moeen Ali doing that ? There is no need to do this.
This a Pakistani "invention"
Under current selection team, its better to this after every hitting a four or after a maiden over, or dot ball in T20.

That's true- Amla, Moeen, Bangladeshi team... To my knowledge they never do it. Even Pakistani teams prior to Inzamam's captaincy didn't do it much

It seems to be more of a Pakistani thing rather than an Islamic thing
 
We?

No one is asking you to celebrate lol.

They are celebrating or thanking god or whatever. They have not asked you to participate in their celebrations so you dont need to feel obliged.

These players are ambassadors for Pakistan so they represent all Pakistanis including the poster, you and I. So criticizing him for using 'we' is unfair
 
Seems that expectations have lowered.

Next we'll be seeing a Sajdah from a player when he's scored 25 runs in a Test innings.

PCB's new central contract system for 2018-19

Category A: Players who do the sajdah only when they get a 100 of fifer in an international game.

Category B: Sajdah for a 100 or fifer in FC games and 25/ 2 wickets in internatonals. '


Category C: Sajdah for a brilliant catch or fielding in FC or internationals.


Category D: Sajdah after successfully negotiating a ball in the nets. :najam:najam
 
Interesting article:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-clerics-debate-demba-bas-islamic-goal-celebration-76278

The tradition of the Muslim footballer to prostate himself in the direction of the goal has become a hot debate among the scholars who are arguing about whether his prostration is in line with the rules of Islam. The prostration, which major world religions employ as an act of submissiveness or worship to a supreme being or other worshiped entities, is called secdah in Islam, and some scholars argue it is only permitted to be applied in address to Allah, and in the direction of the Qiblah.

A prominent Islamic scholar, Ahmet Mahmut Ünlü, responding to a question about whether it was right, in accordance with the principles of Islam, for Demba Ba to prostrate himself after each goal during the matches in Super League, said “It is a risky and dangerous thing to do” and suggested that the footballer was ‘unintentionally’ committing sin. However, other Islamic scholars have argued that it is a means of expressing gratitude to God and have no qualms with its permissibility under Islamic laws.

But Ünlü still finds his acts inappropriate, adding: “The prostration to show gratitude [other than those employed during the prayers] is also required to be in the direction of the Qiblah, where the Kabah is located. But Ba prostrates himself in the direction of where he scored, which is a sin.”
 
These players are ambassadors for Pakistan so they represent all Pakistanis including the poster, you and I. So criticizing him for using 'we' is unfair

Well unfairly criticizing a new player for celebrating an accomplishment deserves unfair criticism.

Guys like Usman have toiled hard in domestics and they are getting closer to selection. One bad innings from them might set them back as they are competing for a spot. It is pretty much do or die for them at this point. That is a lot of pressure. So let them celebrate.
 
I'm against inventing new things in religion . This " Sajda" is nothing to do with Islam and is ridiculous , wish they stop it.

Never saw a non-Pakistani Muslim cricketer doing it.

Pakistanis are more in a habit of "inventing" new things ins Islam and hence more religion related problem in Pakistan. Wish they leave this beautiful religion pure and simple.
 
I think people are misunderstanding the op. He’s not trying to imply that our players shouldn’t do the sajda but why they’re doing the sajda at such small milestone of 50 runs.

Have our batting standards fallen so much that we need to sajda after every 50.

That's what i tried to clarify. From a religious and cultural perspective there is no widely accepted opinion on when to do sajdah and when not to.

It started as a trend and I am guessing most do it out of peer pressure. However I can't read minds and they might be sincere when doing it.

Either way the main point is as an outsider we can't take the " doing the sajdah thing" as a benchmark to judge how happy a player was or how much a particular moment meant to the player.

There is no established cultural reference point. You can't culturally say which milestone is good enough and worthy of doing a sajdah. Because doing the sajdah as an expression of joy and pride is not an established practice in our culture. You can't say it is OK to do sajdah after hitting 100 runs but not ok after 50 runs.

A player could be over the moon while scoring a 50 against a minnow and still not do a sajdah. Or he might be a devout person and do a sajdah but still be realistic about his achievements and remain humble.

That's why we should not read too much into at what instance a player performs a sajdah. I would prefer if they didn't do it all together but it's the players own decision on top of being a team trend.

Our batting standard is poor irrespective of when a certain player performs a sajdah or not.
 
I'm against inventing new things in religion . This " Sajda" is nothing to do with Islam and is ridiculous , wish they stop it.

Never saw a non-Pakistani Muslim cricketer doing it.

Pakistanis are more in a habit of "inventing" new things ins Islam and hence more religion related problem in Pakistan. Wish they leave this beautiful religion pure and simple.

I remember the Saudi national football team doing the sajdah after scoring a goal in a world cup match. Hence I am wondering if this "biddah" might actually be introduced by the Saudis themselves.
 
This nothing to do with religion, when did you see Amla or Moeen Ali doing that ? There is no need to do this.
This a Pakistani "invention"
Under current selection team, its better to this after every hitting a four or after a maiden over, or dot ball in T20.

SalahSaj.jpg

AFsajda.jpg

I could post another dozen or so to show this isn't a Pakistani celebration but a Muslim one . It is done in many sports by people from every continent.

Nothing wrong with, sportsman can celebrate how they wish. However for me, doing it after a mere 50 runs is going over the top. 1-100 will a 50 be a score which will win a game.
 
Interesting article:
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-clerics-debate-demba-bas-islamic-goal-celebration-76278

The tradition of the Muslim footballer to prostate himself in the direction of the goal has become a hot debate among the scholars who are arguing about whether his prostration is in line with the rules of Islam. The prostration, which major world religions employ as an act of submissiveness or worship to a supreme being or other worshiped entities, is called secdah in Islam, and some scholars argue it is only permitted to be applied in address to Allah, and in the direction of the Qiblah.

A prominent Islamic scholar, Ahmet Mahmut Ünlü, responding to a question about whether it was right, in accordance with the principles of Islam, for Demba Ba to prostrate himself after each goal during the matches in Super League, said “It is a risky and dangerous thing to do” and suggested that the footballer was ‘unintentionally’ committing sin. However, other Islamic scholars have argued that it is a means of expressing gratitude to God and have no qualms with its permissibility under Islamic laws.

But Ünlü still finds his acts inappropriate, adding: “The prostration to show gratitude [other than those employed during the prayers] is also required to be in the direction of the Qiblah, where the Kabah is located. But Ba prostrates himself in the direction of where he scored, which is a sin.”

Nice to read that something which I noticed myself is also being considered by those who have authority on Islamic rulings.

It is pretty funny to me that the football player is doing sajdah to show his gratitude towards Allah while his knees are uncovered which is a direct disobedience of Allah. It is an established Islamic ruling that the "hijab" of men is to atleast cover their body from the naval to knees. So the validity of their sajdah is questionable to begin with.

This shows me that there is some sort of social pressure at play. Social pressure can be a very dangerous and serious thing. The Muslim athletes should not feel any social pressure to perform an act or otherwise risk having their religious loyalties questioned. The Islamic scholars need to seriously consider this issue and educate the masses.
 
Nice to read that something which I noticed myself is also being considered by those who have authority on Islamic rulings.

It is pretty funny to me that the football player is doing sajdah to show his gratitude towards Allah while his knees are uncovered which is a direct disobedience of Allah. It is an established Islamic ruling that the "hijab" of men is to atleast cover their body from the naval to knees. So the validity of their sajdah is questionable to begin with.

This shows me that there is some sort of social pressure at play. Social pressure can be a very dangerous and serious thing. The Muslim athletes should not feel any social pressure to perform an act or otherwise risk having their religious loyalties questioned. The Islamic scholars need to seriously consider this issue and educate the masses.

What you're describing is a minor issue. Just because someone doesnt cover the knees doesn't mean he should then not thank God for any success he has received. You're opening up a can a worms, someone could then say if he's showing disobedience to God then why is God granting him success?
 
Funny they thank God every time they take wickets or score runs but never curse him when they get out on a duck.
 
Just leave religion out of sport. Not everything has to be a statement. I miss the days of a classic century celebration with bat raised to the crowd and camera. Cricket is a gentlemans sport.
 
None of the other players following other religions/faiths does these kind of “religious” things publicly in sports..atleast not in cricket
Not sure about the reason behind this and not sure why pak players are obsessed with these things...better if they can concentrate on cricketing spirit display rather than religious display
 
What you're describing is a minor issue. Just because someone doesnt cover the knees doesn't mean he should then not thank God for any success he has received. You're opening up a can a worms, someone could then say if he's showing disobedience to God then why is God granting him success?

You misunderstood me. I don't mean to imply that a person can only show gratitude when he is following all his religious commandments. I am not even all too concerned about what a person should or shouldn't do. I am aware that from an islamic perspective you could be an alcoholic but still pray and fast and have your worship accepted.

I am more interested in finding out whether this way of celebration which has no tradition in the religion nor in the culture is for the most part due to social pressure.

All I can do is observe since I can't read minds or interview the players anonymously.

And I observe a contradiction.

Unlike other religion Islam has clear instructions on when and how to carry out certain acts of worship. There is always a condition applied. You have to fast from dawn to sunset. You could do the opposite fast from the sunset through out the whole night and break your fast at dawn, however that would be invalid according to Islamic ruling.

Likewise from my upbringing I know that when making salah, the ritual Islamic prayer, I need to have my "awrah" covered. At the very least my body has to be covered from the naval to knees. The sajdah is a small element from this ritual prayer. Hence why to me it is only logical that for my sajdah to be valid I have to make sure I fulfill the condition mentioned.

So the contradiction I observes is a player wanting to show gratitude in a certain religious way while neglecting the conditions necessary for its acceptance. So either the player is ignorant of basic Islamic principles or he doesn't care all too much about it and just wants to fulfill a certain social expectation.

Perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps it is fully legal to have your sajdah accepted despite not fulfilling the requirement of covering your awrah. In either case the Islamic scholars need to fulfill their duties and educate the mass on this issue. Otherwise I find it hard to imagine a young upcoming Muslim athlete brave enough to resist the social pressure and refuse to do sajdah as a mean of celebration.
 
We?

No one is asking you to celebrate lol.

They are celebrating or thanking god or whatever. They have not asked you to participate in their celebrations so you dont need to feel obliged.

Are you serious?

What do you think I’m at home doing a Sajdah every time a batsman scores a 50?

Clearly you do not understand the point I’m making.

Question, every time a bowler took a wicket and did a Sajdah would you think that’s ok? Or a bit over the top?
 
Are you serious?

What do you think I’m at home doing a Sajdah every time a batsman scores a 50?

Clearly you do not understand the point I’m making.

Question, every time a bowler took a wicket and did a Sajdah would you think that’s ok? Or a bit over the top?

Your taking it out of context.

Its not everytime any batsman makes a 50.

It is new debutantes that are fighting for a position in the team that are celebrating after a 50. These guys have been toiling hard in domestic cricket, and finally are close to selection. They have had hardly any exposure before. You have to realize that if they have poor form here, instead of being close to selection, they will be tossed aside for another few years.

Imagine the pressure of a do or die situation like that. I think its great they are celebrating, atleast they are showing they are passionate for playing the longer format.

Obviously if it was azhar ali or someone else experienced I would think its over the top.

So relax.
 
Very cringey, Younis Khan only use to do it when he hit a double or triple. Kids these days though :facepalm: "Thank you almighty Allah for allowing me to score this 50, I never expected this given my terrible batting ability; if you bless me once again, I will perform a sajda every time I get into double figures"
 
Shouldn't really matter and they're free to celebrate how they wish. However, doing it just for "show" is not good.
 
The prostration after good news, victory, success, etc is certainly not a modern thing. I remember reading that Salahuddin Ayyubi (Saladin) (RA) got off his horse and performed a sajdah after he liberated Jerusalem.

Of course, a 50 in a practice game is nowhere near as big but it may be big for the player in question.

Ever notice Bangladesh players never do the sajdah?

That's true- Amla, Moeen, Bangladeshi team... To my knowledge they never do it. Even Pakistani teams prior to Inzamam's captaincy didn't do it much

It seems to be more of a Pakistani thing rather than an Islamic thing

No one except the Pakistanis do it in cricket but Mohammad Salah, Khabib Nurmagomedov and several other Muslim atheletes all do it.

There is no requirement to do the sajdah but I still don't get why people have a problem with them doing it even after a comparatively small achievment.

Funny they thank God every time they take wickets or score runs but never curse him when they get out on a duck.

You certainly are odd. What a stupid thing to say.
 
None of the other players following other religions/faiths does these kind of “religious” things publicly in sports..atleast not in cricket
Not sure about the reason behind this and not sure why pak players are obsessed with these things...better if they can concentrate on cricketing spirit display rather than religious display

Why? Just because no one else does it, the Muslim/Pakistani players shouldn't either?

By the way, why did Sachin always look up at the clouds after he scored a century?
 
Hate how they do it for ever little milestone. Should just do it in the pavilion or after they win the game.
 
Won't be surprised if many of these guys don't even pray 5 times a day but will do sajdah for the cameras.
 
None of the other players following other religions/faiths does these kind of “religious” things publicly in sports..atleast not in cricket
Not sure about the reason behind this and not sure why pak players are obsessed with these things...better if they can concentrate on cricketing spirit display rather than religious display

Chanderpul used to do a religious celebration after some milestones. Also like another poster pointed out, Sachin used to celebrate his century religiously and i have also seen Harbhajan and Darren sammy making religious comments in post match interviews. So religious celebrations may be more common amongst Pakistani players but they are not just limited to them.

Anyways why does it hurt you if someone does a faith based celebration? Do you get offended or effected in some way?
 
Doing sajda after 50 was started by Umar Akmal. He was widely mocked for this 10 years ago. Now youngsters are copying this nonsense. That's why most of them get out after 50s, they let their guard down and think job is done.
 
come on guys, this was their first fifty in tests, which means alot so stop whining about every small thing. be glad they are scoring them
 
When who does Sajda, makes a cross or prays to heavens is his or her own choice. As long as they aren't hurting anyone else, it is between them and their faith.

Don't know why people here should feel entitled to have an issue with it.
 
It was Faheem first half century in test match, am sure he will not keep doing in his every test match fifty, so same goes to Usman it was his first 50 In England ( outside pakistan )
 
Shadab Khan scores 50 and has done the sajda. Good innings, confidence might have been low after not doing much with the ball.
 
Very embarrassing and cringeworthy indeed. We need to grow out of this mentality.
 
MashAllah well done Shady. Keep your head on the ground and thank the Lord.

Excellent innings from him.
 
why it is embrassing if some one thanks Allah? its something huge for him .somethings mean alot for a particular person he must have been praying day and day out for this . and he achieved it so obviously he will do that.
 
why it is embrassing if some one thanks Allah? its something huge for him .somethings mean alot for a particular person he must have been praying day and day out for this . and he achieved it so obviously he will do that.

Exactly
 
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