When did we start doing the customary "sajda" on a half century?

[Nado_]

Anyone trying to mock a Muslim performing a sajda so that they can thank their lord and creator should think about what they’re saying

 

[Madplayer]

Anyone trying to mock a Muslim performing a sajda so that they can thank their lord and creator should think about what they’re saying

Thread is more about why 50 is considered so big an achievement that it warrants a sajda. Traditionally batsmen did it after scoring centuries. Even commentators were looking confused because even they know Pakistani tradition. This sajda after 50 is completely new and it shows low batting benchmarks.

 

[Kashmiri_Pak_fan]

Anyone trying to mock a Muslim performing a sajda so that they can thank their lord and creator should think about what they’re saying

He has negative mentality so don't pay heed to him...even it is embracing for us to have a poster like him here

 

[The Googly]

Very embarrassing and cringeworthy indeed. We need to grow out of this mentality.

I must say I find this an extremely disappointing comment. Mo Salah looks to the heavens and prays before every game - is that embarrassing? Doing the sajda is a personal choice to which the player is entitled. He is thanking Allah. Why do you find this embarrassing? 50 in his first test at Lords - if he wants to celebrate with a sajda , good on him.
Brother - does anything please you? Lets have a positive post for a change?

 

[superman]

Very embarrassing and cringeworthy indeed. We need to grow out of this mentality.

Who is “we” members of a nation created predominantly for muslims. He did well he wanted to thank his creator I doubt he cares what anyone thinks. And a 50 at lords against England Representing your motherland is definitely something to feel proud/happy about. Sometimes my jewish friends talk about self hating jews didnt know what they meant until today

 

[Nado_]

Thread is more about why 50 is considered so big an achievement that it warrants a sajda. Traditionally batsmen did it after scoring centuries. Even commentators were looking confused because even they know Pakistani tradition. This sajda after 50 is completely new and it shows low batting benchmarks.

I see your point on whether a 50 is a big benchmark or not, I have no issue on people debating on that.

But to mock someone doing sajda due to their happiness and wanting to thank the Almighty is another issue

 

[Asch Ali]

Scoring a 50 is better than a 100 in this Pakistsni side. We bowl them out so lowly that 100s have become so rare for us. The next time a Pakistani batsman will reach 100 will be next year.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

What's the big problem?They can do a sajda after every 10 runs for all I care.They just have to keep getting runs in big numbers.

Is it a rule or written down anywhere that a Sajda can only be done after scoring 100 or getting 5 wickets?

 

[EliteCynical]

our business is our business
it is none of your business

potd

 

[emm-tee]

Very embarrassing and cringeworthy indeed. We need to grow out of this mentality.

Embarrassed that a 19 year old playing his first test in England at Lord's scored a 50 thanked his creator?
Do you also not say Salam in public so you don't embarrass yourself in front of people?

There is really a time and place for everything. You should really sometimes read before you post.

 

[Hawkeye]

Celebrating for a 50 shows minnow mentality.

 

[ArsenalFC]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] It is embarrassing indeed but lets face it, this is all thanks to Inzy for creating Tableeghi e Jamat XIs for endless generations to come.

 

[superman]

This is all thanks to Inzy for creating Tableeghi e Jamat XIs for endless generations.

Oh please tableeghi jamat doesnt have dibs on anything. Sajda is to do with Islam all muslims do it everyday during prayer. Im sure many of the players who do sajda dont evn follow that school of thought. They do it as they want to thank their lord and a sajda is something reseved only for the creator no one else. Anyway Shadab a young kid from Pakistan scored a 50 at lords and he did a Sajda made me proud and im sure felt great doing it

 

[ArsenalFC]

Before Inzy, Pakistan players of 70s, 80s, 90s and early 2000s (before 2003 WC) had more desire and aspirations than this small mentality. They weren't timid kittens, they were in your face and sledge in such a way, they could get in the heads of their batsmen. Not to forget the swagger, flair and charisma of how they went about their life in and out of cricket. That's what made them icons in their country. Do you really think youngsters look at someone like Shafiq and think "I want to be the next Asad Shafiq in 15 years time".

 

[superman]

Thats got nothing to do with the sajda. Im thankful inzi has at least selected many new youngsters

 

[ArsenalFC]

Oh please tableeghi jamat doesnt have dibs on anything. Sajda is to do with Islam all muslims do it everyday during prayer. Im sure many of the players who do sajda dont evn follow that school of thought. They do it as they want to thank their lord and a sajda is something reseved only for the creator no one else. Anyway Shadab a young kid from Pakistan scored a 50 at lords and he did a Sajda made me proud and im sure felt great doing it

I'm a big fan of Shadab because he stands out as someone who isn't afraid to play fearless brand of cricket and doesn't crumble whenever he's asked to bat with the team in trouble or requiring rebuilding.

But I must say having watched the game for 18 years now this practice and this practice of sujda and over-religious mannerisms came into practice during Inzy's reign when Tableeghi Jamat started visiting the dressing rooms of the players. Their influence hasn't diminished just because you don't see them. Lets make no mistake about that.

 

[KhanNn]

Seems that expectations have lowered.

Next we'll be seeing a Sajdah from a player when he's scored 25 runs in a Test innings.

Right so we should thank Allah only when we reach a hundred? Knowing fine well it is he who writes everything for you and everything that will happen in your life?

I can't believe we are even questioning the sajda. We have no right to interfere with anothers relationship with Allah.

Have we steps this low? To question something which is actually a good thing. Maybe with that act Allah may give them more runs because he was thankfully for a milestone which others would not consider that great yet it is he who provides it?

 

[superman]

I'm a big fan of Shadab because he stands out as someone who isn't afraid to play fearless brand of cricket and doesn't crumble whenever he's asked to bat with the team in trouble or requiring rebuilding.

But I must say having watched the game for 18 years now this practice and this practice of sujda and over-religious mannerisms came into practice during Inzy's reign when Tableeghi Jamat started visiting the dressing rooms of the players. Their influence hasn't diminished just because you don't see them. Lets make no mistake about that.

Ive been watching even longer and in that time ive gone from not praying at all to praying. I think im a better chance person now. I absolutely disagree with TJ but 100% agree with sujood. For all you know shadab is from a religious brelvi family so the inzi effect is none its just him showing his appreciation to his Creator in a way he feels is appropriate and im with him all the way

 

[ArsenalFC]

Thats got nothing to do with the sajda. Im thankful inzi has at least selected many new youngsters

The PSL did the job for him and even then he's screwed up so many times including this series when he picked Rahat Ali on the basis of PSL form.

I'll give you 2 more examples:

1. Umar Gul's selection in the 2016 ODI series in England - on the basis of seniority and reputation
2. Also in the same series he picked Sami Aslam after one good test at Edgbaston

He's not what he's made out to be on PP. I actually think he has low IQ to be frank going by his reasoning for player selections because there is no logic to it whatsoever.

 

[superman]

Fair enough cant disagree those points

 

[KhanNn]

Give me reason why it's not? Give me a reason why a person would do a Sudja other than thank Allah?

He didn't just start reading namaz in the middle of the pitch.

You can question my IQ but I don't think I have a need to question you self explanatory IQ.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Man PPers managed to criticize players' celebrations

Man I hope they do a lot of sajdas.

Causing this much jalan (burning) to haters brings joy

PS: Kuch log hamesha zehan ke ghulam rahen ge. Pathetic SC inferior mentality. Go cry in a corner

 

[Sirris]

The point is that doing a public sajdah on the spot as a mean to thank Allah and show gratitude is something which is not part of our culture nor is it widely spread in the way we practice islam.

Pakistani society is a highly judgmental society to begin with. It is all about appearing correct and behaving correctly during a social gathering. Hence when players do sajdah as mean of celebration, I can't help but think it is forced and mostly due to social pressure since it has become a well documented trend. Since it is not part of culture nor something which is taught as part of Islamic upbringing, I can't help but question the sincerity behind this kind of celebration.

That's why it is cringeworthy to me.

It is not the act of sajdah itself but the whole context of it. As a Pakistani fan this way of celebration is alien and foreign to me and something I only see in sports.

I would like to know how many posters here in their day to day life do a public sajdah as a mean to show gratitude when they have passed an exam or during any other moment of joy. While growing up how many of you were taught this way of showing gratitude and mean of celebration.

It is an artificial construct and it does make me cringe. I am fine with a few players doing it. But from my observation be it a bowler or a batsman everyone does it upon reaching a milestone. Which makes me think poor guy has to go through the motions to prove his faith and to live up to an artificially constructed social expectation.

 

[Bilal7]

I hope the boys start doing sajdas after every 20 runs just to tick off these closet bigots and haters even more. Now that they can't hate on the team or the selectors' cricketing performances, they're hating on their personal beliefs.

The PSL did the job for him and even then he's screwed up so many times including this series when he picked Rahat Ali on the basis of PSL form.

I'll give you 2 more examples:

1. Umar Gul's selection in the 2016 ODI series in England - on the basis of seniority and reputation
2. Also in the same series he picked Sami Aslam after one good test at Edgbaston

He's not what he's made out to be on PP. I actually think he has low IQ to be frank going by his reasoning for player selections because there is no logic to it whatsoever.

You should look in the mirror before accusing anyone else of low IQ. Your posts are among the worst I've seen on Pakpassion.

The fact that you have to go all the way back to 2016 to prove that Inzamam is "not what he is made out to be" tells us everything about your mentality.

 

[Abdullah719]

Before Inzy, Pakistan players of 70s, 80s, 90s and early 2000s (before 2003 WC) had more desire and aspirations than this small mentality. They weren't timid kittens, they were in your face and sledge in such a way, they could get in the heads of their batsmen. Not to forget the swagger, flair and charisma of how they went about their life in and out of cricket. That's what made them icons in their country. Do you really think youngsters look at someone like Shafiq and think "I want to be the next Asad Shafiq in 15 years time".

Shadab is the one in this team who is praised for his 'flair' and 'charisma'. And he certainly can't be accused of lacking desire. And he's the one who did the sajda, not Shafiq... So what exactly is the issue?

Has Shadab's charisma, flair and desire gone now after he did that sajda?

 

[babajee]

I hope the boys start doing sajdas after every 20 runs just to tick off these closet bigots and haters even more. Now that they can't hate on the team or the selectors' cricketing performances, they're hating on their personal beliefs.

You should look in the mirror before accusing anyone else of low IQ. Your posts are among the worst I've seen on Pakpassion.

The fact that you have to go all the way back to 2016 to prove that Inzamam is "not what he is made out to be" tells us everything about your mentality.

Facts

Keep posting bro

 

[Bilal7]

The point is that doing a public sajdah on the spot as a mean to thank Allah and show gratitude is something which is not part of our culture nor is it widely spread in the way we practice islam.

Pakistani society is a highly judgmental society to begin with. It is all about appearing correct and behaving correctly during a social gathering. Hence when players do sajdah as mean of celebration, I can't help but think it is forced and mostly due to social pressure since it has become a well documented trend. Since it is not part of culture nor something which is taught as part of Islamic upbringing, I can't help but question the sincerity behind this kind of celebration.

That's why it is cringeworthy to me.

It is not the act of sajdah itself but the whole context of it. As a Pakistani fan this way of celebration is alien and foreign to me and something I only see in sports.

I would like to know how many posters here in their day to day life do a public sajdah as a mean to show gratitude when they have passed an exam or during any other moment of joy. While growing up how many of you were taught this way of showing gratitude and mean of celebration.

It is an artificial construct and it does make me cringe. I am fine with a few players doing it. But from my observation be it a bowler or a batsman everyone does it upon reaching a milestone. Which makes me think poor guy has to go through the motions to prove his faith and to live up to an artificially constructed social expectation.

I completely agree with where you are coming from. However, the sajda can simply be taken as a celebration and it has a well-documented history as that. What's the difference between a player doing a sajda after scoring a 50 or raising his bat to the gallery after doing the same? They're both celebrations, why is one appropriate but not the other?

As for the religious side of this, it is inappropriate to make assumptions about the players' intentions. They might be doing it sincerely or they might simply be doing it because that's what the great Pakistani players they grew up watching did. Either way, what's wrong with it?

Just because it is not an established Islamic practice (Amla, Moeen, Khawaja, Sikander and none of the non-Pakistani Muslim players do it) does not mean that we can stop the players from doing it.

 

[Khan12]

I hope they start doing it after every run so we see alot more of crying.

 

[Khan12]

The PSL did the job for him and even then he's screwed up so many times including this series when he picked Rahat Ali on the basis of PSL form.

I'll give you 2 more examples:

1. Umar Gul's selection in the 2016 ODI series in England - on the basis of seniority and reputation
2. Also in the same series he picked Sami Aslam after one good test at Edgbaston

He's not what he's made out to be on PP. I actually think he has low IQ to be frank going by his reasoning for player selections because there is no logic to it whatsoever.

Not an inzi fan but please do check the stats before posting nonsense. Sami averages over 50 in list a so his selection is perfectly justified.

 

[ArsenalFC]

I hope the boys start doing sajdas after every 20 runs just to tick off these closet bigots and haters even more. Now that they can't hate on the team or the selectors' cricketing performances, they're hating on their personal beliefs.



You should look in the mirror before accusing anyone else of low IQ. Your posts are among the worst I've seen on Pakpassion.

The fact that you have to go all the way back to 2016 to prove that Inzamam is "not what he is made out to be" tells us everything about your mentality.

Says the guy who once claimed Amla is superior to Kohli and then went on to say Babar was also superior to him before his disastrous NZ series.

Prior to the Ashes you claimed Moeen Ali was going to destroy the Aussie bowling and win England the Ashes, but then turned out to be the worst batsman and player for his team in the series, hence why he's now dropped.

You become very defensive of Amla, Moeen Ali and Inzy. Everyone can see that your judgement is clouded all because these 3 have beards. Your hatred for Kohli couldn't be more evident all because he is Indian.

I could go on and on to expose your posts. I would rather be among the worst than be the worst and most deluded.

As for Inzy you conveniently ignored Rahat's selection in the squad which sums up your posting merits.

 

[ArsenalFC]

Not an inzi fan but please do check the stats before posting nonsense. Sami averages over 50 in list a so his selection is perfectly justified.

Shan Masood has the best list A average in the world but can't make first team PSL or ODIs for that matter. List A cricket in Pakistan is very low quality cricket, so it isn't wise to take stats at face value like this without any context whatsoever.

Sami Aslam with all his numbers in List A won't hold up in ODIs for the following reasons:

1. Timid batsman
2. Technically flawed
3. Limited number of shots
4. Relatively weak against spin
5. Struggles against short ball

When batsmen like this can average 50+ tells you the story of List A cricket.

 

[ArsenalFC]

Shadab is the one in this team who is praised for his 'flair' and 'charisma'. And he certainly can't be accused of lacking desire. And he's the one who did the sajda, not Shafiq... So what exactly is the issue?

Has Shadab's charisma, flair and desire gone now after he did that sajda?

I'm a fan of Shadab for reasons as you've pointed out and with regards to Shafiq I was speaking generally, that Pakistan doesn't have many players (unlike previous eras) like him who are going to inspire millions in Pakistan on the streets to follow.

Players have the right to perform sajda as they wish but they will be ridiculed if they do this for every half century or wicket because it gives the wrong message to the opposition and to the rest of the cricket world that we thank Allah and celebrate over minor milestones.

 

[yasir]

Even during this over religious era, I don’t remember Younis Khan ever did Sajada, who had scored more 100s than anybody else and that too the big ones. Does not looks like help with going over the hump, YK was master of not getting out in 90s and making it count when set

 

[Sidilicious]

why it is embrassing if some one thanks Allah? its something huge for him .somethings mean alot for a particular person he must have been praying day and day out for this . and he achieved it so obviously he will do that.

I think the point people are trying to raise is whether 50 should mean a lot. They are suggesting that for the Pakistani batsmen of yesteryear would have shown a similar elation on scoring a 100 rather than 50. So the point is more whether the batsman are setting their sights too low.

 

[Asif321]

I think the point people are trying to raise is whether 50 should mean a lot. They are suggesting that for the Pakistani batsmen of yesteryear would have shown a similar elation on scoring a 100 rather than 50. So the point is more whether the batsman are setting their sights too low.

this is his first 50 in test against major team . it is a start. yes if he starts doing this on every 50 then we can question but its his first . whenever we get good start at something we always are thankful .

 

[badsha001]

I think these new generation is doing Sajda for show off instead of pleasing Allah... If you are praying 5 times a day already, I don't think you need to please Allah by doing Sajda on every wicket or every 10 runs.

 

[hadi123]

Shadab Khan celebrates this 50 with the sajda.

 

[babajee]

Why is this a thread

Pathetic to be honest.

 

[srh]

Shadab Khan celebrates this 50 with the sajda.

in the context it makes total sense; this 50 is equal to a 100 considering the circumstances

 

[ArsenalFC]

in the context it makes total sense; this 50 is equal to a 100 considering the circumstances

Agreed he's been batting with tail enders.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

I think these new generation is doing Sajda for show off instead of pleasing Allah... If you are praying 5 times a day already, I don't think you need to please Allah by doing Sajda on every wicket or every 10 runs.

Tumhai kese pata unn ki kia niyat hai?

 

[Khan12]

Shan Masood has the best list A average in the world but can't make first team PSL or ODIs for that matter. List A cricket in Pakistan is very low quality cricket, so it isn't wise to take stats at face value like this without any context whatsoever.

Sami Aslam with all his numbers in List A won't hold up in ODIs for the following reasons:

1. Timid batsman
2. Technically flawed
3. Limited number of shots
4. Relatively weak against spin
5. Struggles against short ball

When batsmen like this can average 50+ tells you the story of List A cricket.

You said he shouldn't be selected and neither do I want him in odis but saying he was selected based on 1 test is false. Lot of people see him as an odi player.

 

[TalhaSyed]

Why is this a thread

Pathetic to be honest.

My thoughts exactly.

A truly pathetic thread.

Absolutely ridiculous that some keyboard warriors actually think they are in a position to not only question when someone can and can't offer thanks to Allah (or whatever deity they believe in) - but go as far as questioning whether they genuinely mean it or are doing to 'show off'.

A player can perform the Sajda after every 10 runs he/she scores or every wicket he/she gets for all I care. Who am I (or anyone on this forum) to tell a player how they should or shouldn't celebrate their achievements & more so - question how genuine they are being in their religious beliefs/practices?

 

[badsha001]

Tumhai kese pata unn ki kia niyat hai?

Exactly my point... Your actions and attitude tell about yourself not showoff

 

[ArsenalFC]

You said he shouldn't be selected and neither do I want him in odis but saying he was selected based on 1 test is false. Lot of people see him as an odi player.

But he wouldn't have been picked for the ODIs without his twin half centuries in the Edgbaston test would he though?

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Exactly my point... Your actions and attitude tell about yourself not showoff

And their actions are to praise God after reaching a milestone.Who are you to judge their intentions?How do you know they are just showing off and not truly thankful?

 

[Oligochaetes]

He is thankful to Allah for blessing him so that he could score a good 50. Considering the circumstance it was a good knock.

It's his way of celebrating and thanking and we should not judge him for that.

Our judgement should be limited to his batting skills only in my humble opinion