When will India take back its land from Pakistan?

[KingKhanWC]

According to India, they own all of Kashmir.

The instrument of accession is a legal document executed by Maharaja Hari Sing giving all of Kashmir to India. Therefore India as a nation believes Pakistan and also China are occupying their land.

As you can see huge amounts of Kashmir are not in Indian control but a large area under Pakistani control and a sizeable area under Chinese control.





One Indian poster wrote:

""Instrument of Accession" led to Kashmir be India's rightful state."

Another replied to a Pakistani poster :

"Who has stopped you to come and claim your land"?

"We will when the time is right."

So please anyone explain why India has allowed a smaller nation, smaller population, weaker economy, smaller army, less military hardware to occupy their land for decades on end? What are they waiting for? Modi to become supreme leader of some superpower?

This is really baffling ,someone please help me out.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Those Indian posters you are quoting are thinking too small. When you asked when India was going to take back it's land, I thought you were talking about Pakistan and Bangladesh. These Indian posters are mental midgets if they think in smaller terms than that, to think those countries didn't even exist less than a century ago.

 

[enkidu_]

Those Indian posters you are quoting are thinking too small. When you asked when India was going to take back it's land, I thought you were talking about Pakistan and Bangladesh. These Indian posters are mental midgets if they think in smaller terms than that, to think those countries didn't even exist less than a century ago.

Looks like the Hindu warriors you're accustomed to have an impressionist reading of the glorious history of Bharat as well :

 

[KingKhanWC]

Those Indian posters you are quoting are thinking too small. When you asked when India was going to take back it's land, I thought you were talking about Pakistan and Bangladesh. These Indian posters are mental midgets if they think in smaller terms than that, to think those countries didn't even exist less than a century ago.

I always thought throw diplomacy a peaceful resolution could be met. The people of Kashmir who are suffering from oppressive troops could be free one day and both nations could be on good terms for the benefit of their own people.

But it seems our friends from India have other plans which involve no diplomacy but aggressive tactics to claim their land back.

 

[Pakpak]

According to India, they own all of Kashmir.

The instrument of accession is a legal document executed by Maharaja Hari Sing giving all of Kashmir to India. Therefore India as a nation believes Pakistan and also China are occupying their land.

As you can see huge amounts of Kashmir are not in Indian control but a large area under Pakistani control and a sizeable area under Chinese control.

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One Indian poster wrote:

""Instrument of Accession" led to Kashmir be India's rightful state."

Another replied to a Pakistani poster :

"Who has stopped you to come and claim your land"?

"We will when the time is right."

So please anyone explain why India has allowed a smaller nation, smaller population, weaker economy, smaller army, less military hardware to occupy their land for decades on end? What are they waiting for? Modi to become supreme leader of some superpower?

This is really baffling ,someone please help me out.

The bold bit...was that joshila? He told me on the day of the 'surgical' strikes that 'the proof will come very soon''. Still waiting on that one.

 

[Slim]

They do have dreams of Akhand Bharat. Its another thing that they are bunch of ***** cats.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Lol at "Pakistan Occupied Kashmir"

The Kashmiris in Pakistan dont feel occupied yet its POK.

The Kashmiris in J&K do feel occupied yet its not IOK?

 

[Greenstorm]

I remember an Indian poster replied to this question by saying that you should not ask this question because you do not believe that Kashmir is part of India in the first place.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The bold bit...was that joshila? He told me on the day of the 'surgical' strikes that 'the proof will come very soon''. Still waiting on that one.

Probably got confused with the news story of an operation going wrong on an Indian patient.

Im just very dissapointed , naturally people will defend their nation but I was hoping our friends from the East would want some sort of peaceful resolution but they believe it's their land and will one day take it back by force....even though half a decade has gone by.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Probably got confused with the news story of an operation going wrong on an Indian patient.

Im just very dissapointed , naturally people will defend their nation but I was hoping our friends from the East would want some sort of peaceful resolution but they believe it's their land and will one day take it back by force....even though half a century has gone by.

corrected.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Probably got confused with the news story of an operation going wrong on an Indian patient.

Im just very dissapointed , naturally people will defend their nation but I was hoping our friends from the East would want some sort of peaceful resolution but they believe it's their land and will one day take it back by force....even though half a decade has gone by.

Another decade will be gone but the ambitious claims will get even more ridiculous.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Looks like the Hindu warriors you're accustomed to have an impressionist reading of the glorious history of Bharat as well :

You obviously didn't hear the news about the Zayn Malik tour. Someone needs to photoshop his picture on that, and change the colour of the map to green.

 

[KingKhanWC]

corrected.

Thank you

I was hoping someone would share the master plan but there seems to be a secret vow.

 

[B_Positive]

Why is some past shown as acceded to China? Is that part not under control of pakistan? I always though Kashmir fight is all about India and Pakistan.

 

[Varun]

Never.

The India - Pakistan cold war is like a horror movie - you shouldn't be scared when the thing jumps out of the closet, rather you should be quaking in your boots of whether it is going to jump out of the closet.

Applies to both sides, mind.

Why is some past shown as acceded to China? Is that part not under control of pakistan? I always though Kashmir fight is all about India and Pakistan.

Poor Mr. Qing Chung was short of land, so both India and Pakistan were happy to give it some over the years.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Right after Gazwa-e-Hind. #brassattacks #forgodsake

Its going to be the greatest come back story ever.

 

[Hitman]

When has India ever tried to do so? We have never tried it. It's Pakistan that tried to capture Kashmir in 65' (Operation Gibraltar) and in 99'(Kargil War). And couldn't get an inch of land either time.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

When has India ever tried to do so? We have never tried it. It's Pakistan that tried to capture Kashmir in 65' (Operation Gibraltar) and in 99'(Kargil War). And couldn't get an inch of land either time.

This just shows that Pakistan has the true sense of ownership of the subcontinent. Indians lack vision and pride of someone like Zaid Hamid who even with no legs would find a way to crawl over the border and plant the Pakistan flag on our soil.

 

[Hitman]

This just shows that Pakistan has the true sense of ownership of the subcontinent. Indians lack vision and pride of someone like Zaid Hamid who even with no legs would find a way to crawl over the border and plant the Pakistan flag on our soil.

Having true sense of ownership and actually having ownership are two different things. Kashmir has been with India since 1947, that's called having ownership. No doubt though that Pakistani people will term that as occupation, we don't have any problem with whatever you want to term it. As for pride, Pakistan would have succeeded in 65' and 99' in fulfilling their ambitions if we lacked vision and pride.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Having true sense of ownership and actually having ownership are two different things. Kashmir has been with India since 1947, that's called having ownership. No doubt though that Pakistani people will term that as occupation, we don't have any problem with whatever you want to term it. As for pride, Pakistan would have succeeded in 65' and 99' in fulfilling their ambitions if we lacked vision and pride.

Still persisting with the small vision. India has half of Kashmir. Half of Punjab. Half of Bengal. The Brits and the Mughals used to have all these united and yet you take pride in sharing with a country invented less than a century ago.

 

[Hitman]

Still persisting with the small vision. India has half of Kashmir. Half of Punjab. Half of Bengal. The Brits and the Mughals used to have all these united and yet you take pride in sharing with a country invented less than a century ago.

Not at all. We are happy with our borders since partition. We don't desire anything more. Never have we laid our eyes an areas outside our borders. I'm not speaking of those Hindutva nutcases who dream of Akhanda Bharat. I'm speaking of rational and logical Indians. We're happy the way we are. But it's simply foolish for others to dream that they will someday take away what has belonged to us since partition. China came the closest to that in 62', and nearly succeeded. But this is 2018.

 

[Hitman]

Still persisting with the small vision. India has half of Kashmir. Half of Punjab. Half of Bengal. The Brits and the Mughals used to have all these united and yet you take pride in sharing with a country invented less than a century ago.

BTW, we Indians can take pride in the fact that our borders have remained the same since partition. Can Pakistanis do the same for their country?

 

[Swashbuckler]

Hindutva elements who fantasize about Akhand Bharat are delusional morons. We can't administer our own territory properly, are a 3rd world hell hole yet some of them clamour for more land, like seriously? Posters on PP take these isolated idiotic opinions way too seriously, any way such voices are very minuscule. Most Hindutva warriors won't want an Akhand Bharat because that will mean an additional influx of 400 million Muslims which would reduce their clout (political, economic, cultural) and challenge Hindu pre-eminence in Indian society. All this is just political posturing, a fake show of bravado for electoral purposes.

 

[Hitman]

Hindutva elements who fantasize about Akhand Bharat are delusional morons. We can't administer our own territory properly, are a 3rd world hell hole yet some of them clamour for more land, like seriously? Posters on PP take these isolated idiotic opinions way too seriously, any way such voices are very minuscule. Most Hindutva warriors won't want an Akhand Bharat because that will mean an additional influx of 400 million Muslims which would reduce their clout (political, economic, cultural) and challenge Hindu pre-eminence in Indian society. All this is just political posturing, a fake show of bravado for electoral purposes.

Absolutely. We're already a third world country. Any Indian with a brain with rather focus on improvement of the conditions of our country instead of desiring for more land.

 

[Romali_rotti]

I swear ppl, if the British Pakistanis were running Pakistan, RIP to India

 

[Hitman]

I swear ppl, if the British Pakistanis were running Pakistan, RIP to India

Champions of lip service.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

When has India ever tried to do so? We have never tried it. It's Pakistan that tried to capture Kashmir in 65' (Operation Gibraltar) and in 99'(Kargil War). And couldn't get an inch of land either time.

Technically wrong. India has ceded territory in the last couple of years in the sector where the so called fictitious "surgical strikes" took place. My clan is the beneficiary of that. to which I have a claim too I suppose as it's our ancestral lands.

The reason, both sides now resort to using heavy mortar shells and even bunker busters at times. Pakistanis destroyed these posts as they were fairly low lying and Indians decided not to come back down from high ridge posts. Strategic withdrawal you can say but nonetheless territory has been ceded.

You must be wondering how much.... money guess it's around a 1 km or little less..

 

[CricketCartoons]

Hindutva elements who fantasize about Akhand Bharat are delusional morons. We can't administer our own territory properly, are a 3rd world hell hole yet some of them clamour for more land, like seriously? Posters on PP take these isolated idiotic opinions way too seriously, any way such voices are very minuscule. Most Hindutva warriors won't want an Akhand Bharat because that will mean an additional influx of 400 million Muslims which would reduce their clout (political, economic, cultural) and challenge Hindu pre-eminence in Indian society. All this is just political posturing, a fake show of bravado for electoral purposes.

Bro, the akhand bharat is not a dream, but a reminder of our past, and every indian must remember it. that if we don't guard our women, our religion and our culture, then we will keep on conceding territory and possessions to the enemy. It is sad that an entire generation of indians have been brainwashed into worshipping the british or the turks and hating their own culture, that they mock the sacrifices of their ancestors and everything they stood for. Already bollywood is pakistanized and fawad khans and even zayn maliks are coming to steal the heart of our females, whether teens or aunts, while the male youth is either following western satanic bands or facilitating pakistani cultural assault through their coke studio and sufiana songs..some even going to the length of ridiculing their own culture just to get praise from the pakistani or western overlords. We are at war, fighting for our very existence and the mir jafars are fighting for their potws.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Hindutva elements who fantasize about Akhand Bharat are delusional morons. We can't administer our own territory properly, are a 3rd world hell hole yet some of them clamour for more land, like seriously? Posters on PP take these isolated idiotic opinions way too seriously, any way such voices are very minuscule. Most Hindutva warriors won't want an Akhand Bharat because that will mean an additional influx of 400 million Muslims which would reduce their clout (political, economic, cultural) and challenge Hindu pre-eminence in Indian society. All this is just political posturing, a fake show of bravado for electoral purposes.

I bolded that part because [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] answered every other word of your post but those words gripped his heart with fear. But his silence speaks volumes, and this is why Lala AKA Afridi unleashes rage among the impotent Indian patriots on web forums, his loudmouth slogans delivered sexily with his floppy hairstyle is a form of Gazwa e Hind in all but name.

 

[KingKhanWC]

When has India ever tried to do so? We have never tried it. It's Pakistan that tried to capture Kashmir in 65' (Operation Gibraltar) and in 99'(Kargil War). And couldn't get an inch of land either time.

But Pakistan has taken a large chunck of Kashmir which according to India belongs to them , why not take your land back as other Indians have stated they will in time? [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

 

[Hitman]

But Pakistan has taken a large chunck of Kashmir which according to India belongs to them , why not take your land back as other Indians have stated they will in time? [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

When have we ever tried it since 1947, that we'll try it now? We're perfectly happy with our current geography.

 

[BlackShadow]

But Pakistan has taken a large chunck of Kashmir which according to India belongs to them , why not take your land back as other Indians have stated they will in time? [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

If India was a terror infested dysfunctional state itching for mutual nuclear destruction, I am sure it would have happened by now. But that's not the case, and we do have much to lose in the case of a war.

Having said that, Nehru's historical blunders and a lack of Modi Ji like leadership in the past will always be a regret.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If India was a terror infested dysfunctional state itching for mutual nuclear destruction, I am sure it would have happened by now. But that's not the case, and we do have much to lose in the case of a war.

Having said that, Nehru's historical blunders and a lack of Modi Ji like leadership in the past will always be a regret.

I'd say India is exactly what you described, led by a Hindu extremist government which has influenced hardliners to attack people walking cows, causing interfaith violence and whose leaders reguarly talk of war with Pakistan.

But I agree it would be stupid of anothe third world country to take on a nuclear Pakistan. Your land has long gone. #AzadKashmir

 

[Stewie]

Kashmir and is no closer to a solution than Palestine is... sorry!

 

[Stewie]

Modi jee sirf apne ghar ke muslims per Zor chala saktey hein.. lol

 

[pillionrider]

Make up your mind OP. Is it Pak Occupied Kashmir or Azad Kashmir. Cuz if it's the former, as your pic suggests, doesn't seem like Pakistan is fighting a particularly noble battle for the Kashmiris. Seems like another greedy manipulative power to me. Please correct me if required. Thanks in advance.

 

[BlackShadow]

Modi jee sirf apne ghar ke muslims per Zor chala saktey hein.. lol

Ghar ke bahar Modi ji Mohabbat ka zor chalate hai.

 

[Stewie]

Khich ke rakho modi ji

 

[Greenstorm]

Make up your mind OP. Is it Pak Occupied Kashmir or Azad Kashmir. Cuz if it's the former, as your pic suggests, doesn't seem like Pakistan is fighting a particularly noble battle for the Kashmiris. Seems like another greedy manipulative power to me. Please correct me if required. Thanks in advance.

Pakistan is only there protecting Kashmiris from Indian aggression just as India protected Bengalis in 1971.

 

[Ocelot]

Bro, the akhand bharat is not a dream, but a reminder of our past, and every indian must remember it. that if we don't guard our women, our religion and our culture, then we will keep on conceding territory and possessions to the enemy. It is sad that an entire generation of indians have been brainwashed into worshipping the british or the turks and hating their own culture, that they mock the sacrifices of their ancestors and everything they stood for. Already bollywood is pakistanized and fawad khans and even zayn maliks are coming to steal the heart of our females, whether teens or aunts, while the male youth is either following western satanic bands or facilitating pakistani cultural assault through their coke studio and sufiana songs..some even going to the length of ridiculing their own culture just to get praise from the pakistani or western overlords. We are at war, fighting for our very existence and the mir jafars are fighting for their potws.

No need to get insecure, what you're saying might be true around 2015, but now in 2018 Indians have nothing but hate for Pakistan to the point that even Swara Bhaskar is calling Pakistan a failing state run by Shariah rule. This is all as a result of the aggressive media campaign following Uri attacks and letting the likes of Tarek Fatah on Indian airwaves.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No need to get insecure, what you're saying might be true around 2015, but now in 2018 Indians have nothing but hate for Pakistan to the point that even Swara Bhaskar is calling Pakistan a failing state run by Shariah rule. This is all as a result of the aggressive media campaign following Uri attacks and letting the likes of Tarek Fatah on Indian airwaves.

Not that Swara Bhaskar is a great mind but her film got banned in Pakistan and she said what she said after that.

So what did you expect from India post attacking the Indian Armed forces?

What is wrong with Tarak Fateh? He gives his opinion world wide.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Not that Swara Bhaskar is a great mind but her film got banned in Pakistan and she said what she said after that.

So what did you expect from India post attacking the Indian Armed forces?

What is wrong with Tarak Fateh? He gives his opinion world wide.

Nothing is wrong with Tarek Fateh, he is an independent commentator on Pakistan just as Arundhati Roy is an independent commentator on India - although Roy's opinions are given more weight and credence worldwide as she is a best selling author and respected humanitarian.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Nothing is wrong with Tarek Fateh, he is an independent commentator on Pakistan just as Arundhati Roy is an independent commentator on India - although Roy's opinions are given more weight and credence worldwide as she is a best selling author and respected humanitarian.

She is renowned for being an author of fiction and a story teller. Also responsible for suicide of the woman she stole her husband from.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

She is renowned for being an author of fiction and a story teller. Also responsible for suicide of the woman she stole her husband from.

At least she is renowned for something. Tarek Fateh isn't even renowned in his own country, he seems to have made a career in spouting fiction in Indian media.

 

[CricketCartoons]

At least she is renowned for something. Tarek Fateh isn't even renowned in his own country, he seems to have made a career in spouting fiction in Indian media.

Haven't watched tarek fateh more than 5 minutes to comment, but not sure if he is as evil as roy. I throw an open challenge to anyone who wants to debate her role as a person, author, or intellectual.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Haven't watched tarek fateh more than 5 minutes to comment, but not sure if he is as evil as roy. I throw an open challenge to anyone who wants to debate her role as a person, author, or intellectual.

You may do as you wish, but I would suggest bump one of the other Roy threads so as not to divert the topic of this thread.

On topic, since Tarek Fateh has been mentioned, he is of course a fierce opponent of the concept of Pakistan, so if anything he would be the first to question : When will India take back its land from Pakistan?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nothing is wrong with Tarek Fateh, he is an independent commentator on Pakistan just as Arundhati Roy is an independent commentator on India - although Roy's opinions are given more weight and credence worldwide as she is a best selling author and respected humanitarian.

She is a fiction writer and not a political or social commentator. Though she keeps giving views in support of ultra leftists and terrorists.

Dont know in which country is she a respected humanitarian because in India she has been throughly criticised for her views by both the major political parties, Gandhians like Anna Hazare, enviromentalists like Medha Patkar and so on. She had to spend a day in jail because she made remarks that she couldnot sustain in a court of law.

So she is hardly independent nor is she better than Tarek Fateh or any other political commentator.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

She is a fiction writer and not a political or social commentator. Though she keeps giving views in support of ultra leftists and terrorists.

Dont know in which country is she a respected humanitarian because in India she has been throughly criticised for her views by both the major political parties, Gandhians like Anna Hazare, enviromentalists like Medha Patkar and so on. She had to spend a day in jail because she made remarks that she couldnot sustain in a court of law.

So she is hardly independent nor is she better than Tarek Fateh or any other political commentator.

She is clearly respected worldwide, there is a thread on an interview she gave to Newsnight BBC, one of the most highly regarded political news show on tv in the UK

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...dhati-Roy-The-Violence-In-India-Is-Terrifying


But regardless, since you hold Tarek Fateh in high esteem, you should acknowledge that he speaks against the formation of Pakistan, so as per the topic, he would in fact be asking the same question:

When will India take back its land from Pakistan?

 

[PakLFC]

There can be no akhand Bharat because there never was one to begin with Only way the world map will change in the near future is through natural disasters. The Kashmiris will tell you that POK only exists in India's imagination. With nukes available like no one's business no one is taking anything then there is the China factor as well that greatly effects the Pak-Hind relationship. There is a much greater chance of some Muslim unity then India reclaiming the land it perhaps held during the dinosaur era Quaid Jinnah breaking India is permanent.