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Where did Kapil Dev rank amongst the great cricketers and all-rounders?

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Very happy and relieved that the last post of 5 best all-rounders did true justice to the legendary Kapil Dev who has been greatly under estimated here.It is hard for words or statistics to describe the moral contribution of Kapil Dev to Indian cricket.

Kapil was the supreme entertainer ,similar to Sobers and Botham in that regard.He could create an impact of a hurricane with the bat, produce a spell that could create shivers in the enemy camp and pull of the most stunning of catches.Few cricketers ever exuberated as much energy on a cricket field.He was not technically the soundest but could exhibit the most audacious strokeplay .Not as quick as a genuine paceman but often as or more lethal that he quickest bowlers with his great oustwinger and control of length.Not the most athletic but could pull of catches. many would dream off.


Above all he bowled on the flat subcontinent tracks. without any assistance.He was more successful than Hadlee or Botham against West Indiesat home and overseas being s overall the best performed all-rounder against the best team of all time which was West Indies.In 2 series he defeated Ian Botham in his prime for the man of the serise award in 1981-82 at home and in 1982 away.At Lords in1982 he was simply a revelation with his swashbuckling 89 and sensational spell of 3 wickest on the penultimate day that ressurected India to gain moral glory and send tremors in te English camp.He went on to play a major role in India's 1st ever win at Lords in 1986 with his bowling and with the bat in 1990 repeated his impact of 1982.Earlier in 1979-80 versus Pakistan he played the biggest role in India upsetting the formidable Pakistan team that was considered unbeatable at the start of the series.His 32 wickets at 17.68 and average of 88 with scores of 84 and 69 was a phenomenal performance.In 1983 at home versus West Indies he was joint man of the series with Malcolm Marshall having the best bowling average.In 1983 in West Indies Kapil had scores of 100 not out and 98 against the best pace attack ever.I can also never forget his 163 at Madras in 1986 to save India from a follow on.The spells I can never forget him bowl were hi 9-83 at Ahmedabad v West Indies and 8-85 at Lahore in 1982-83 where he reminded you of a marathon man.It was a sight to behold watching Kapil steam in with the heart of a tiger and skill of a gladiator.To top it all in 1992 he gave an outstanding batting performance in a test in South Africa where even if not staving off defeat he restored India's pride.




In ODI cricket he wast he best of all all-rounders .His 175 n.o v Zimbawe in 1983 world cup resurrected a team from the grave to reach the pinnacle of glory like no cricketer in an ODI.In the 1985 world championship of cricket his audacious strokeplay and penetrative bowling played a major role in India's victory.

Potentially he was close to the Sober's class.His impact on Indian cricket is comparable to that of Tendulkar and Gavaskar and he has shaped more cricketing wins than either of them for India.



Scoring 5248 runs and capturing 434 wickets are amazing statistics.He took 5 wickets on 23 occasions but captured 7 or more wickets 4 times in his test career which is remarkable.9.83 v West Indies,8-85 and 7-56 versus Pakistan and 8-120 v Australia.

True his batting average was only 31 and bowling average 29.64.Still remember the brunt of the team Kapil had to carry on his back with no support from conditions.

Hadlee even if a lone warrior had the assistance of seaming surfaces at home like Botham.

To me Kapil had the potential to win more games than Kallis with his attacking demeanour and at his best was more impactful. .

Kapil lacked Imran's responsibility with the bat but was more talented and could change the complexion of a game with his batting at his best considerably more.

I feel Kapil was similar to Botham being an agressive stroke-player and fast-medium bowler .Significant that in every department he outplayed Botham against West Indies.Imran and Hadlee were basically great fast bowlers who later became good batsmen.

To change a game with both bat and bal I would prefer
the like sof Botham and Kapil rather than Imran,Kallis or Hadlee.
Sadly Kapil fell out due to lack of consistency and possibly temperament.

Potentially he was close to the Sober's class.His impact on Indian cricket is comparable to that of Tendulkar and Gavaskar and he has shaped more cricketing wins than either of them for India.

In the analysis of all-time great cricketers Kapil has been ranked 48th by Cristopher Martin Jenkins, around 35th by Geoff Armstrong and 40th by David Gower.Both ranked him above Kallis but surprisingly Armstrong rated him above Keith Miller.In my analysis Kapil would rank in the category of Curtly Ambrose,Javed Miandad,Alan Border,Graham Gooch and a shade below Wasim Akram,Greg Chappell,Ian Botham ,Jacques Kallis or Keith Miller as a cricketer.Still above Clive Lloyd,Mike Procter,David Gower,Zaheer Abbas,Virendra Sehwag etc.

Amongst all-rounders just by a whisker I would rate him below the likes of Imran,Miller,Botham or Kallis and on par with Hadlee,with Gary Sobers simply supreme.Overall around 45th place as a cricketer and sixth place as an all-rounder This is my subjective opinion but on a given day with a gun on my head I may rank him in the top 5 giving due respect to his phenomenal contribution as an entertainer and a sportsman.Very close to the 5 most entertaining cricketers of all.At his best to me as an all-rounder Kapil was only behind Sobers and Botham.In ODI'S without hesitation he is my no 1.



STATISTICS FROM S.RAJESH OF CRICINFO

He announced himself in no uncertain terms in his first series, exhibiting pace and aggression hitherto unseen among Indian bowlers, but in statistical terms the returns from that series were meagre - seven wickets at an average of more than 60. In his first 10 Tests, he conceded more than 39 runs per wicket, and his batting was a stronger suit than his bowling. Sixteen wickets in four Tests against England started the golden run with the ball, and he followed that with 28 wickets in the home series against Australia and 32 in six Tests against Pakistan at an average of less than 18.

Those performances signalled a peak in Kapil's bowling career, when the pace was sharp, the outswinger working to perfection, and the wickets coming his way at a quick rate. In the 13 series he played between July 1979 and December 1983, Kapil's bowling average went beyond 32 in only three series, while seven times he averaged less than 26. That was also the period when he averaged more than four wickets per Test, and took a five-for 17 times in 52 Tests.


He still turned in lion-hearted performances with the ball after that, but not with the same consistency: in 69 Tests from the beginning of 1984, Kapil's wicket tally dropped to 2.7 per Test, and he also went an entire series - three Tests against Australia at home in 1986 - without a wicket. His batting, though, went up a notch, thus ensuring that his batting average was higher than his bowling average in each of those three periods of his Test career. Of his eight Test centuries, five came during this phase.

Kapil Dev's Test career in three parts Period Runs Average 100s Wickets Average 5WI
First ten Tests 510 42.50 1 29 39.06 1
Next 52 Tests 1973 27.40 2 218 26.19 17
Next 69 Tests 2765 32.52 5 187 32.20 5
Career 5248 31.05 8 434 29.64 23

Kapil's best phase as an ODI bowler coincided with two famous victories in world events for India. During the period between May 1983 and March 1986, when India won the World Cup and the World Championship of Cricket, he averaged 31.25 with the bat and 20.39 with the ball, taking 69 wickets in 47 games. His performances remained impressive till the early 1990s, but in the last couple of years of his career his numbers fell away alarmingly: in 36 matches he averaged 13.50 with the bat and more than 37 with the ball. The only aspect that wasn't affected was his economy rate, which remained well below four runs per over.

Towards the beginning of the 1990s, the positive difference between his batting and bowling averages also began to close. Through most of the 1980s his batting average was more than the corresponding one for bowling, but the last time this happened was on December 15, 1991,when, after his 176th ODI, his batting average was 0.13 higher. As he neared the end of his career, his batting and bowling prowess both decreased, and he ended with a batting average almost four runs lower than the bowling one. (Click here for his cumulative ODI averages.)

Kapil's ODI career Period ODIs Runs Average Strike rate Wickets Average Econ rate
Till April 1983 32 608 20.96 107.80 34 31.20 3.78
May 1983 to Feb 1986 47 1000 31.25 98.91 69 20.39 3.51
March 1986 to March 1992 110 1878 24.71 93.75 123 28.17 3.81
Since April 1992 36 297 13.50 74.06 27 37.48 3.62
Career 225 3783 23.79 95.07 253 27.45 3.71

Kapil's overall numbers are impressive enough, but what stands out are his bowling stats against the best team of his generation. In 25 Tests against West Indies, Kapil took 89 wickets, which is his second-highest against a single team (he took 99 against Pakistan). The average of 24.89 is his best against any team, marginally better than the 25.35 he averaged in 20 Tests against Australia.

In the 1980s, Kapil was among the best bowlers against a line-up that included Viv Richards, Clive Lloyd, Gordon Greenidge, Desmond Haynes and Richie Richardson. He dismissed Greenidge eight times in Tests, and Haynes, Richards and Dujon seven times each. (Click here for more details.) In 19 Tests, Kapil's bowling average against West Indies was less than 23; among those who bowled at least 1200 deliveries against them during this period, only Imran Khan and Richard Hadlee, the two other great allrounders of the era, had better bowling averages. Ian Botham's numbers were a huge contrast to those of the three other allrounders, though: in 19 Tests he took only 58 wickets at an average of almost 36.

Best Test bowlers versus West Indies in the 1980s (Qual: 1200 balls bowled) Bowler Tests Wickets Average Strike rate 5WI/10WM
Imran Khan 10 52 16.68 38.3 5/ 1
Richard Hadlee 10 51 22.03 49.1 4/ 1
Kapil Dev 19 72 22.98 51.4 4/ 1
Abdul Qadir 8 40 28.07 55.2 1/ 0
Graham Dilley 11 36 28.77 56.6 1/ 0
 
Dev was easily the most talented batsmen among all the all rounders from that era, heck he might even been more talented than a few genuine bats from that period. I don't believe any batsmen of that era, have a 100 in WI vs the great WI bowlers at over a 100 strike rate, Imran does not even have a 50 in WI... The man scored over 5000 runs without a care in the world, he had SIX & out attitude. However it is a damn shame he never full filled his batting potential, had he applied himself a little more he would have finished with at least 8000 runs and 16-20 100s in test matches. Like Gavaskar once said back in his playing days; a man of Kapil Dev's talent should score 10,000 odd runs in tests, but he never will, because he does not care about his batting.... Nevertheless what a legend, he single highhandedly put Indian cricket on the map with a WC win at the age of 23-24 as Captain....
 
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Huge impact on the game but not a top tier ATG. I much prefer the likes of Hadlee. As much as I love genuine allrounders I would rather take an allrounder who is an ATG with batting or bowling alone. Kapil is not an ATG in either batting or bowling.
 
[MENTION=132062]Harsh Thakor[/MENTION] - what is the criteria : Arguably and/or Morally ? And what is the minimum distance between two players - Hairs width or cats whisker. Once we have answers to these important questions we can proceed further.
 
I was figuring out which career to chose at the age of 23. Same age, this guy was winning his country a world cup. :kapil
 
Great cricketer unjustly underrated, he should be up there as #1 influencer of the game.
And winning culture that ganguly is talked credited with is started by wadekar as a spark made into a torch by kapil.
I would always have him in my team, any day.

He should be up there in the top#5, no injustice can be more cruel if he is not there.
 
I like Harsh Thakors data driven posts. But I have to say that don't agree with quite a few points that he mentioned in his opening post.

Anyway, I have already talked enough about Kapil in various threads. I won't bore u guys by repeating those once again. I will just point out couple things that HT mentioned which I don't agree with.

First of all, I don't think that Kapil was at any disadvantageous position due to him playing on subcontinental wickets. Because his bowling average is quite poor in Bowling friendly conditions of Southafrica, England, Australia and New Zealand when he played bilateral test series against those aforementioned countries. If fast bowling was really that easy in those countries then Kapil wouldn't have had such poor bowling stats in those countries.

Secondly, that 175 came against a country like Zimbabwe who didn't even have a test status back then. They got their test status 10 years after that match. Therefore, that score isn't as significant as some ppl try to portray it. In today's context Its like scoring a double hundred against "Nepal" and then bragging about it. Besides this, there r so many holes in Kapil's career as an allrounder that I won't even bother to mention those here. He was a very good allrounder and the best from India.

But he isn't comparable to the other elite allrounders.
 
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Great fan of Kapil from childhood. Probably the most valuable cricketer to came from India. While there are couple of great batsman in Indian history. There is no one remotely close to Kapil's quality of A/R barring Mankad.
I rate Kapil just outside top 5 when it comes greatest A/R in test history. He's in top 10 for sure.
In top 3 when it comes to ODI as A/R.
Kapil was always reliable with bowl but great entertainer with bat.
Kapil was also unlucky that India lacked great spinner during his playing days.
I am sure Kapil would have even better stats had he been managed well and given rest from time to time.
 
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India's greatest fast bowler of all-time and a very handy batsmen who had the ability to change games with the bat although not consistent enough. A great captain and a fantastic fielder.

ATG all-rounder and ATG cricketer overall.
 
I like Harsh Thakors data driven posts. But I have to say that don't agree with quite a few points that he mentioned in his opening post.

Thats an insult to all Data Analysts out there ... because copy/pasting stuff from there to here does not make it a "Data Driven" analysis (its not even readable due to the poor formatting).

The single biggest requirement for it to be considered a data driven analysis is the willingness to discuss with those who do not agree with your perspective. [MENTION=132062]Harsh Thakor[/MENTION] will quite simply not do that at all because his agenda is different. All he is here for is to whip up nostalgia amongst like minded old era fans and bask in the Nostlagia induced high.
 
Thats an insult to all Data Analysts out there ... because copy/pasting stuff from there to here does not make it a "Data Driven" analysis (its not even readable due to the poor formatting).

The single biggest requirement for it to be considered a data driven analysis is the willingness to discuss with those who do not agree with your perspective. [MENTION=132062]Harsh Thakor[/MENTION] will quite simply not do that at all because his agenda is different. All he is here for is to whip up nostalgia amongst like minded old era fans and bask in the Nostlagia induced high.

I am quite curious to know your opinion on DEV ? As detailed as possible, enjoy reading your posts..


Cheers
 
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I am quite curious to know your opinion on DEV ? As detailed as possible, enjoy reading your posts..


Cheers

There are two ways to analyze any player who played a long time ago :

1. From the perspective of the ERA in which the player played.
2. From a Current Day perspective.


From the Perspective of his ERA Kapil was obviously a great player and others here have already listed his achievements. He was a legendary player with great accomplishments to his name. A players CV cant get any better than Kapils - Captain at age 23 and won the Worldcup beating *THE* top team of his time fair and square and twice. Not many people remember that his team also beat the home team in a Semi-Final !. Before there was Imran standing up to the West Indies there was Kapil showing the way how it could be done. Was also part of the team that won the World Series in 1985 with great performances beating Pakistan twice.


Fantastic track record with exhilarating performances ( 9/83 vs WI and that 175 vs Zim, defending 143 in Aus-1981, Beat England in Eng back in 1986, Only player to make a Test match run-a-ball 100 vs WI in their back yard and nearly repeated it again in the next test in the 1983 Test series.). Only player to score 4K Test Runs and take 400 Wkts and in a ERA where quick scoring was a rarity had a Test match Strike rate of above 80 and ODI S/R of 95.

He also had a Huge fan following. Even managed to eclipse Gavaskar and Vishwanath in terms of fan following. That is some achievement. Reason for that is his attractive brand of cricket that he played. Very much like Sehwag. Its such a shame that most of his magnum opus innings were either not recorded or are not available.


Personally I would rate Kapil higher than Dennis Lillee for one simple reason - The man played more test matches in Asia as a fast bowler than DKL did in his entire career which was 90% played in Aus, Eng, NZ. Infact Kapil played 65 matches in India alone (DKL played in 70 Tests total ). In the one series that they played against each other in Aus Kapil did very well and was comparable to DKL in Avg despite playing with a injury in the final test where he along with Ghavri defened a measely 143 runs to win the Test and level the 3 Match test series. Lillee just never had the fitness and the heart like Kapil did to bowl on unforgiving surfaces and would not have lasted even 50 Tests had he been playing for India. And then there is the Workload factor considering the amount of ODI Cricket that Kapil played.

Another thing that is praise worthy is that he played the game fairly never resorting to ball tampering or anything illegal which was quite prevalent during those days.


But he had some negatives as well. He was a bit of a hot head and a rebel with a larger than life persona. Often used to play like a millionaire when the need of the hour was to bat with a bit of responsibility. Lost a Test match to Eng in the 1984 Series because of his irresponsible batting after being instructed to bat cautiously. Naturally this ****** of the selectors who dropped him for one match as a disciplinary measure. But Kapil being Kapil came back the next match and guess what he did first ball - Smacked a four and played a typically belligerent innings. Incidentally the match in which he was dropped was played in Kolkatta and the crowd shouted "No kapil No Match" and pelted Sunny thinking he was responsible for dropping Kapil. Sunny vowed to never play in Kolkatta again and kept his word. ( Although one wonders what he would have done if India had qualified to the 87 WC Final ).

Then there was the most horrible shot ever played by a cricketer : In the 87 WC S/F at a crucial juncture slogging to the cow-corner when that fielder ( Mike Gatting ) had been stationed there just before that ball in an effort to coax Kapil into playing just that kind of shot. India lost that Match and with that the golden opportunity to Win a Worldcup at home. Fun fact - Aus were the crowd favorites in the 1987 final and Steve Waugh was the crowds favorite player. Imagine that happening today lol

On the legacy side of things he never was a good mentor to the upcoming fast bowlers and kept his distance from them. Dragged on and on to just get past Hadlee's World Record. These -ves hurt his legacy.

But in a what could have been rumination we can only speculate what his bowling avg might have been had he played with some of the Great Indian spinners who could offer him support from the other end. It is unfortunate that during his time India did not have a top class spinners like they did in the 60s and 70s and had to made do with the likes of Shastri, Siva, Maninder, Shivlal, Arshad, Doshi , Hirwani etc.

I will do the current day perspective in a different post.
 
1. No backup pacers, had military pace support bowlers.
2. No decent batsman apart from gavaskar, amarnath, patil, vishy - apart from gavaskar most of them had bad tours for most part of their careers.
3. Like mentioned above, poor spinner department which is the strongest suit of India so far during his time.
4. Fitness levels of kapil no one matched among his team mates - strangely not mentioned in most posts. That is being given so much hype , deservedly so now but not prominence was given back when kapil was playing for India.
5. Team politics, ego clashes between sunny and kapil had their toll for few matches.

These are my observations which prevented kapil to earn more ATG status than what he has now.

Irrespective of all the above, how many captains can boast of a world cup win in any sport at 23-24 years age.
 
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This is off topic but...

I looked up a few Pakistani games in the 1983 world cup and was surprised to see Imran Khan not bowl a ball in them. Was he injured? That might have really hit Pakistani chances in that world cup.. damn!

Coming to Kapil Dev, him winning the world cup in 1983 and the age of 23 is something stunning. And adding to the fact that India is yet to produce a genuine all rounder after him must make him a serious icon in India.

But Statistically he cannot be compared to Imran. He also seemed to have done nothing with the bat after the 175 against Zimbabwe.
 
There are two ways to analyze any player who played a long time ago :

1. From the perspective of the ERA in which the player played.
2. From a Current Day perspective.


From the Perspective of his ERA Kapil was obviously a great player and others here have already listed his achievements. He was a legendary player with great accomplishments to his name. A players CV cant get any better than Kapils - Captain at age 23 and won the Worldcup beating *THE* top team of his time fair and square and twice. Not many people remember that his team also beat the home team in a Semi-Final !. Before there was Imran standing up to the West Indies there was Kapil showing the way how it could be done. Was also part of the team that won the World Series in 1985 with great performances beating Pakistan twice.


Fantastic track record with exhilarating performances ( 9/83 vs WI and that 175 vs Zim, defending 143 in Aus-1981, Beat England in Eng back in 1986, Only player to make a Test match run-a-ball 100 vs WI in their back yard and nearly repeated it again in the next test in the 1983 Test series.). Only player to score 4K Test Runs and take 400 Wkts and in a ERA where quick scoring was a rarity had a Test match Strike rate of above 80 and ODI S/R of 95.

He also had a Huge fan following. Even managed to eclipse Gavaskar and Vishwanath in terms of fan following. That is some achievement. Reason for that is his attractive brand of cricket that he played. Very much like Sehwag. Its such a shame that most of his magnum opus innings were either not recorded or are not available.


Personally I would rate Kapil higher than Dennis Lillee for one simple reason - The man played more test matches in Asia as a fast bowler than DKL did in his entire career which was 90% played in Aus, Eng, NZ. Infact Kapil played 65 matches in India alone (DKL played in 70 Tests total ). In the one series that they played against each other in Aus Kapil did very well and was comparable to DKL in Avg despite playing with a injury in the final test where he along with Ghavri defened a measely 143 runs to win the Test and level the 3 Match test series. Lillee just never had the fitness and the heart like Kapil did to bowl on unforgiving surfaces and would not have lasted even 50 Tests had he been playing for India. And then there is the Workload factor considering the amount of ODI Cricket that Kapil played.

Another thing that is praise worthy is that he played the game fairly never resorting to ball tampering or anything illegal which was quite prevalent during those days.


But he had some negatives as well. He was a bit of a hot head and a rebel with a larger than life persona. Often used to play like a millionaire when the need of the hour was to bat with a bit of responsibility. Lost a Test match to Eng in the 1984 Series because of his irresponsible batting after being instructed to bat cautiously. Naturally this ****** of the selectors who dropped him for one match as a disciplinary measure. But Kapil being Kapil came back the next match and guess what he did first ball - Smacked a four and played a typically belligerent innings. Incidentally the match in which he was dropped was played in Kolkatta and the crowd shouted "No kapil No Match" and pelted Sunny thinking he was responsible for dropping Kapil. Sunny vowed to never play in Kolkatta again and kept his word. ( Although one wonders what he would have done if India had qualified to the 87 WC Final ).

Then there was the most horrible shot ever played by a cricketer : In the 87 WC S/F at a crucial juncture slogging to the cow-corner when that fielder ( Mike Gatting ) had been stationed there just before that ball in an effort to coax Kapil into playing just that kind of shot. India lost that Match and with that the golden opportunity to Win a Worldcup at home. Fun fact - Aus were the crowd favorites in the 1987 final and Steve Waugh was the crowds favorite player. Imagine that happening today lol

On the legacy side of things he never was a good mentor to the upcoming fast bowlers and kept his distance from them. Dragged on and on to just get past Hadlee's World Record. These -ves hurt his legacy.

But in a what could have been rumination we can only speculate what his bowling avg might have been had he played with some of the Great Indian spinners who could offer him support from the other end. It is unfortunate that during his time India did not have a top class spinners like they did in the 60s and 70s and had to made do with the likes of Shastri, Siva, Maninder, Shivlal, Arshad, Doshi , Hirwani etc.

I will do the current day perspective in a different post.

Great read as always from a quality poster.... However one thing I wanted clarify, I heard the first match which he came back after being dropped he welcomed the first ball get got with a straight SIX rather than the FOUR you mentioned and waved his bat around pointing to his dressing room indicating he would never change his ways for no one....

He was an amazing player, it is such a crying shame he never applied himself with the bat, he was so talented with the bat, first batsmen to score a 100 in WI vs the WI bowlers at a 100 strike rate is a feat to be marvelled, I bet even Viv Richards would have been awww struck by that watching from the other side.... Come to think of it, didn't DEV have a strike rate of 94 in tests back in those days ? that's beyond extraordinary, had he been an honest trier like Imran, he would've had a better batting average but he was lion and his attitude was to bludgeon and pulverise the opposing bowlers, kill, kill, kill, he was a savage....
 
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On the legacy side of things he never was a good mentor to the upcoming fast bowlers and kept his distance from them. Dragged on and on to just get past Hadlee's World Record. These -ves hurt his legacy.

I heard a lot about how Kapil was quite hard to get along with especially for new players who just made the team. Yograj Singh aka Yuvraj's dad I heard was a very promising fast bowler, however he didn't get to play as Kapil had differences with him. Not sure how true this story is.

But in a what could have been rumination we can only speculate what his bowling avg might have been had he played with some of the Great Indian spinners who could offer him support from the other end. It is unfortunate that during his time India did not have a top class spinners like they did in the 60s and 70s and had to made do with the likes of Shastri, Siva, Maninder, Shivlal, Arshad, Doshi , Hirwani etc.

Siva was a quality spinner, I still recall the Javed Miandad wicket in Australia, Javed had no clue what hit him. However Siva didn't play many test matches I believe...



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Karol like Bothm started brightly but fell away q but not to the extend of Bothqm though.Imran and Hadley kept improving their skills with age
 
Great read as always from a quality poster.... However one thing I wanted clarify, I heard the first match which he came back after being dropped he welcomed the first ball get got with a straight SIX rather than the FOUR you mentioned and waved his bat around pointing to his dressing room indicating he would never change his ways for no one....

Thanks. I had checked the score card - no six in the 1st innings. http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...ngland-4th-test-england-tour-of-india-1984-85

He was an amazing player, it is such a crying shame he never applied himself with the bat, he was so talented with the bat, first batsmen to score a 100 in WI vs the WI bowlers at a 100 strike rate is a feat to be marvelled, I bet even Viv Richards would have been awww struck by that watching from the other side.... Come to think of it, didn't DEV have a strike rate of 94 in tests back in those days ? that's beyond extraordinary, had he been an honest trier like Imran, he would've had a better batting average but he was lion and his attitude was to bludgeon and pulverise the opposing bowlers, kill, kill, kill, he was a savage....

his career strike is not known because they didnt record balls faced for 44 inngs. Luckily the runs scored in these 44 innings is just 697 or about 13% of his career runs. So for the rest 87% (4551 ) of his runs the Strike rate is known and it is 80.91 .

Yes if he had applied himself a bit he could have easily ended his career with a Test avg closer to 40 and a few more trophies. Such a shame.

I heard a lot about how Kapil was quite hard to get along with especially for new players who just made the team. Yograj Singh aka Yuvraj's dad I heard was a very promising fast bowler, however he didn't get to play as Kapil had differences with him. Not sure how true this story is.

Yograj was not a normal person to be fair but I was most disappointed in how Kapil treated Javagal Srinath by not mentoring him and being borderline hostile. But I quite liked how Srinath the thorough gentleman mentored Zack and Nehra and then Zack mentored Ishant.
 
Yograj was not a normal person to be fair but I was most disappointed in how Kapil treated Javagal Srinath by not mentoring him and being borderline hostile. But I quite liked how Srinath the thorough gentleman mentored Zack and Nehra and then Zack mentored Ishant.

Agreed, I am not sure if you heard of a spinner from Kerala called Anandapadmanabhan, he was easily the second best spinner in India at the time after Kumble. Against a visiting Pakistani side in 98 I believe he had a 5for and hit a 50, could be wrong, however did not get selected to the Indian side, apparently due to the fact Kapil Dev was not happy with him per a conversation those 2 had with each other. I mean whatelse do you have to do ? you ace against your greatest rivals in the warm up matches but still not get a shot.... Yes Kapil was not good to the up and coming players....
 
Agreed, I am not sure if you heard of a spinner from Kerala called Anandapadmanabhan, he was easily the second best spinner in India at the time after Kumble. Against a visiting Pakistani side in 98 I believe he had a 5for and hit a 50, could be wrong, however did not get selected to the Indian side, apparently due to the fact Kapil Dev was not happy with him per a conversation those 2 had with each other. I mean whatelse do you have to do ? you ace against your greatest rivals in the warm up matches but still not get a shot.... Yes Kapil was not good to the up and coming players....

Yes vaguely remember this incident. They say its not a good idea to meet your heroes sometimes .. ohh well.

I will do the part 2 of my take on Kapil ( from a current day perspective) tomorrow sometime.
 
Yes vaguely remember this incident. They say its not a good idea to meet your heroes sometimes .. ohh well.

I will do the part 2 of my take on Kapil ( from a current day perspective) tomorrow sometime
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Thanks, looking forward to it....
 
Not surprising at all, still crying of Indians on the Indian great Kapil continues.
 
Dev was easily the most talented batsmen among all the all rounders from that era, heck he might even been more talented than a few genuine bats from that period. I don't believe any batsmen of that era, have a 100 in WI vs the great WI bowlers at over a 100 strike rate, Imran does not even have a 50 in WI... The man scored over 5000 runs without a care in the world, he had SIX & out attitude. However it is a damn shame he never full filled his batting potential, had he applied himself a little more he would have finished with at least 8000 runs and 16-20 100s in test matches. Like Gavaskar once said back in his playing days; a man of Kapil Dev's talent should score 10,000 odd runs in tests, but he never will, because he does not care about his batting.... Nevertheless what a legend, he single highhandedly put Indian cricket on the map with a WC win at the age of 23-24 as Captain....

Easily? I would disagree. He got eight test centuries but Botham got fourteen in fewer tests, playing half his cricket in England where it swings and seams. Kapil did not do his ability justice and should have had more centuries, but one could say the same about Botham.

It depends what you mean by "talent" - as a pure hitter, Kapil was far ahead of his time, but as a test class batsman, Botham was better.
 
Overall was somewhat underrated. I would put him second on subcontinental tracks and second equal with Hadlee in England, Australia etc. Was the best batsman all rounder of all during his day and a fine fielder as well. That catch of Viv in the WC 83 final was no easy one, he took many others as well. Unlike IK he was never afraid to get his whites dirty.
 
Kapil is a paradox as he ranks higher in the list of greatest cricketers than the list of greatest all-rounders. He was an inferior bowler to Imran/Hadlee and early career Botham. As a batsman, he was the most impactful of the lot in ODI's in particular but statistically doesn't match up. As a leader he was up there.

Imran's greatness is marked by the breadth of impact, while Kapil's is marked by the depth of impact. Kapil is closer to Botham in how he shone bright and faded, compared to Imran who went from strength to strength.
 
Kapildev's influence goes far beyond the cricketing records. His influence change the way cricket is run and administered in the world.

1983 world cup win changed the profile of cricket in India. That led to India deciding to decide the next world cup in Indian subcontinent. It was the first time the world cup was moved outside England and it was sponsored by a then fledgling Indian business group called Reliance (now India's biggest business house).

One thing led to another and soon ICC began rolling in big bucks as BCCI bigwig Dalmia (a businessman) took over the reigns of ICC from erstwhile English Lords.

All this had its genesis from the fact that Kapildev happened in India and he led india to an improbable world cup win in 1983. And that enabled Indians (including their industry) to invest big time on cricket. That way, Kapildev was one of the most influential cricketer in history. His contemporary allrounders were just cricket allrounders, Kapildev turned out to be a messiah for the game of cricket.
 
Kapildev's influence goes far beyond the cricketing records. His influence change the way cricket is run and administered in the world.

1983 world cup win changed the profile of cricket in India. That led to India deciding to decide the next world cup in Indian subcontinent. It was the first time the world cup was moved outside England and it was sponsored by a then fledgling Indian business group called Reliance (now India's biggest business house).

One thing led to another and soon ICC began rolling in big bucks as BCCI bigwig Dalmia (a businessman) took over the reigns of ICC from erstwhile English Lords.

All this had its genesis from the fact that Kapildev happened in India and he led india to an improbable world cup win in 1983. And that enabled Indians (including their industry) to invest big time on cricket. That way, Kapildev was one of the most influential cricketer in history. His contemporary allrounders were just cricket allrounders, Kapildev turned out to be a messiah for the game of cricket.

Fascinating insight!
 
As I always say, in an era of 4 great all-rounders, Kapil Dev was the fifth best.

Ian Botham had the highest peak, culminating in the 1980 Jubilee Test at Bombay. But then he had a long, slow decline.

Imran Khan 8/10 batsman, 9/10 bowler
Ian Botham 8/10 batsman, mainly 7/10 bowler
Richard Hadlee 5/10 batsman, 10/10 bowler
Clive Rice 8/10 batsman, 6/10 bowler
Kapil Dev 7/10 batsman, 7/10 bowler
 
Perhaps the most influential Indian cricketer of all time. More than Tendulkar dare I say.
 
Best ODI all-rounder ever, and among the top 10 in Test history.
 
Kapil Dev - Indias greatest world cup player?

Kapil Dev lead his team to win the 1983 world cup which imo is Indias greatest achievment to this day.

Sachin, Dhoni or Kohli may have good stats but could never play the game as hard as Kapil did. You would never see Kapil knocking the ball around in most situations esp when the game is there to win.

Kapil and India came up against the greatest team of all time, the Windies of the 80's. Even when India were struggling with not many runs, Kapil came in and counter attacked. Sure he only scored 15 but it was off 8 balls and he showed no fear against a quality bowling line up. When defending Kapil bowled really well only conceding 21 runs off 11 overs(econ 1.80).

I could never imagine Kapil Dev not trying to win the game in any given situation. In his mind going for victory until the last breath was the only way forward. He must have been tearing his hair out today.

If anyone feels its not Kapil but another Indian cricketer, please explain why?
 
This would be the only instance when Pakistan fans are hurting more over an Indian loss than the Indian fans themselves

Who would have thought :))
 
Good thread bro.

I think because of Imran Khan, most Pakistanis intentionally disrespect Kapil Dev.

He is a true legend of the game and IMHO an even more dangerous LOI all rounder.

Sunil Gavaskar calls Kapil the greatest Indian cricketer ever. He’s maintained that opinion for decades.
 
Good thread bro.

I think because of Imran Khan, most Pakistanis intentionally disrespect Kapil Dev.

He is a true legend of the game and IMHO an even more dangerous LOI all rounder.

Sunil Gavaskar calls Kapil the greatest Indian cricketer ever. He’s maintained that opinion for decades.

I haven't met any Pakistani who disrespect Kapil Dev.
 
Tests:

1) Imran
2) Sobers
3) Miller
4) Kallis
5) Botham

ODIs, top five in no particular order:

Imran
Flintoff
Shakib
Afridi
Kapil
 
As I always say, in an era of 4 great all-rounders, Kapil Dev was the fifth best.

Ian Botham had the highest peak, culminating in the 1980 Jubilee Test at Bombay. But then he had a long, slow decline.

Imran Khan 8/10 batsman, 9/10 bowler
Ian Botham 8/10 batsman, mainly 7/10 bowler
Richard Hadlee 5/10 batsman, 10/10 bowler
Clive Rice 8/10 batsman, 6/10 bowler
Kapil Dev 7/10 batsman, 7/10 bowler

Amazing, insightful post. Love the data provided :) Looks so credible :)
 
Best ODI all-rounder of all-time.

In tests, I will put him behind

Sobers
Khan
Botham
Kallis
Miller

Hadlee was an overall better cricketer than Kapil but latter was obviously better all-rounder as he could turns games with either of his suit.
 
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Good thread bro.

I think because of Imran Khan, most Pakistanis intentionally disrespect Kapil Dev.

He is a true legend of the game and IMHO an even more dangerous LOI all rounder.

Sunil Gavaskar calls Kapil the greatest Indian cricketer ever. He’s maintained that opinion for decades.

Not most; but some.

There is no doubt he's an ATG cricketer and SG rightly considers him best Indian cricketer ever.

But if it's about comparison to IK or Botham or Hadlee then different people have different opinions!
 
Kapil Dev's Test career in three parts Period
Runs Average 100s Wickets Average 5WI
First ten Tests 510 42.50 1 29 39.06 1

Next 52 Tests 1973 27.40 2 218 26.19 17

Next 69 Tests 2765 32.52 5 187 32.20 5

Career 5248 31.05 8 434 29.64 23

These are great stats. But I believe most SC greats (batters/bowlers) play for too long and it puts dent on their stats.

An opposite example is someone like Steyn; he knows when his time is up and leaves the game on a high instead of increasing his bowling average!
 
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These are great stats. But I believe most SC greats (batters/bowlers) play for too long and it puts dent on their stats.

An opposite example is someone like Steyn; he knows when his time is up and leaves the game on a high instead of increasing his bowling average!

After 62 tests, he had 247 test wickets with 18 fi-fers. 4 WPM.

Next 69 tests, he takes only 187 wickets with 5 fi-fers. About 2.7 WPM.

He had some knee injuries during second half but over his entire career, he only missed one match. Definitely a great bowler and ATG all-rounder.
 
Greatest pure AR ever

One of the greatest overall cricketers.

There isn't another Kapil Dev and there will never be.

To put things in context, he was the combination of James Anderson (as a bowler) and Ben Stokes (as a batsman) in his era.
 
Greatest pure AR ever

One of the greatest overall cricketers.

There isn't another Kapil Dev and there will never be.

To put things in context, he was the combination of James Anderson (as a bowler) and Ben Stokes (as a batsman) in his era.

Agree with the Anderson, but not with the stokes
Stokes way more consistent itthe bst - 38 vs 31 average makes it quite clear

Dev obviously the better all rounder at this point in stokes’ career
Why do u think that he is a better purebreds AR than miller who is def a better bat and most likely a better bowler
 
Greatest pure AR ever

One of the greatest overall cricketers.

There isn't another Kapil Dev and there will never be.

To put things in context, he was the combination of James Anderson (as a bowler) and Ben Stokes (as a batsman) in his era.

One of several Kapil Dev's freak ODI knock, 72* of 38 balls at no.4 vs Marshall, Holding and Roberts. And then with bowl, 10-0-33-2.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...dia-2nd-odi-india-tour-of-west-indies-1982-83
 
Agree with the Anderson, but not with the stokes
Stokes way more consistent itthe bst - 38 vs 31 average makes it quite clear

Dev obviously the better all rounder at this point in stokes’ career
Why do u think that he is a better purebreds AR than miller who is def a better bat and most likely a better bowler

Honestly speaking I have not even seen much footage of Miller. I do know he's much revered and I respect that.

I jave seen footages of most cricketers part 1960s and tend to base my judgement based on that.

Stokes definitely has higher ceiling as a batsman I will agree on that. Kapil more of an Andre Russel of his era :)) Actually even more explosive but less compact and with weaker defense, definitely not someone to score double hundreds that Stokes can (has one)
 
One of several Kapil Dev's freak ODI knock, 72* of 38 balls at no.4 vs Marshall, Holding and Roberts. And then with bowl, 10-0-33-2.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...dia-2nd-odi-india-tour-of-west-indies-1982-83

Have followed all of his career in great detail. When I gree up I always was told about Kapil Dev with great pride by my dad and uncles. Phenomenal cricketer and a career full of heroics.

Indian cricket has not seen a cricketer like Kapil Dev. Probably never will. What a guy!

My biggest regret is despite being a supreme athlete he had to compromise with raw pace and effort deliveries because he was a one man bowling line up literally for his entire career everything depended on Kapil.

Put a young Kapil in any complete bowling line up ever and he would have a bowling average in the tier-1 league.

When Kapil did put it all in his bowling, some of the spells he delivered against the best of the best are right up there among the finest piece of bowling.
 
A 38 ball 72 is a freak knock even today in T20 era.

Kapil pulled these off the hat way back in 1970s-80s against the likes of Marshal, Holding, Roberts, Garner, Croft.

Viv was a complete batsman but at pure destructive ability Kapil was in a different league

All of that said about his batting, and now add to it a bowler who retired with test wickets world record and the only 2nd bowler in his era with 400+ wickets
 
A 38 ball 72 is a freak knock even today in T20 era.

Kapil pulled these off the hat way back in 1970s-80s against the likes of Marshal, Holding, Roberts, Garner, Croft.

Viv was a complete batsman but at pure destructive ability Kapil was in a different league

All of that said about his batting, and now add to it a bowler who retired with test wickets world record and the only 2nd bowler in his era with 400+ wickets

A freak batsmen indeed. He has played quite a few ATG knocks during his time with bat only. I can only think how much his popularity would have been had he played in this era.

The test inning against Donald in SA in 1992 is arguably one of the greatest knock by an Indian batsmen.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...a-3rd-test-india-tour-of-south-africa-1992-93

That famous 175*(138) vs Zimbabwe.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...zimbabwe-20th-match-prudential-world-cup-1983


55 ball 89 in a test match at Lords vs Botham and Willis.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...-vs-india-1st-test-india-tour-of-england-1982


There are more but if you look at some of the scorecards and that only tells us his freak batting ability. A strike rate of 80 odd in tests is no joke afterall.
 
There's a reason why Kapil Dev was voted by Wisden as Indian Cricketer of the 20th century. He did more for Indian cricket than Tendulkar ever did.
 
I feel that Kapil’s test bating is overrated due to is SR.
If that’s much importance should be placed on it, Sehwag > Gavaskar and Gilchrist > Ponting
These are obviously false
In terms of batting performances, there is really no reason to say that Kapil is any better than a guy like Graeme Wood in test cricket as a pure batsman
 
I feel that Kapil’s test bating is overrated due to is SR.
If that’s much importance should be placed on it, Sehwag > Gavaskar and Gilchrist > Ponting
These are obviously false
In terms of batting performances, there is really no reason to say that Kapil is any better than a guy like Graeme Wood in test cricket as a pure batsman

I think SR is important but it depends on context. Viv is considered GOAT and one of the best batter of all-time because of his sheer shock factor. With an average of 50, he shouldn't be rated at the top in most list but he is rated highly.

Sehwag's problem was that he was not an all-conditions batter, he averaged in 20s in swing and seam conditions of NZ, SA and Eng and hence was behind Tendulkar, Gavaskar and even Dravid as test batsmen. That is one important aspect of test batting and Viru went missing.

The thing with Kapil is that he has played some ATG knocks, can come to bat at 30/6 and hit a quick century to save the game. Either way, just looking at stats can always be misleading.
 
I think SR is important but it depends on context. Viv is considered GOAT and one of the best batter of all-time because of his sheer shock factor. With an average of 50, he shouldn't be rated at the top in most list but he is rated highly.

Sehwag's problem was that he was not an all-conditions batter, he averaged in 20s in swing and seam conditions of NZ, SA and Eng and hence was behind Tendulkar, Gavaskar and even Dravid as test batsmen. That is one important aspect of test batting and Viru went missing.

The thing with Kapil is that he has played some ATG knocks, can come to bat at 30/6 and hit a quick century to save the game. Either way, just looking at stats can always be misleading.

I think that it has a small advantage, but not significant enough to rate him as even a mid-tier bat
A lot of the time a knock of 31(70) is better than 31(30), as it helps to build partnerships. In ODI cricket this is obviously completely different

I think that is is something that helps an already top class record, Viv being the obvious example. I'd have a hard time rating Dev over Imran though purely because of his SR
 
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There's a reason why Kapil Dev was voted by Wisden as Indian Cricketer of the 20th century. He did more for Indian cricket than Tendulkar ever did.

Do you also agree with the same Wisden that rated him the second greatest Test and ODI batsman of all time?
 
I think that it has a small advantage, but not significant enough to rate him as even a mid-tier bat
A lot of the time a knock of 31(70) is better than 31(30), as it helps to build partnerships. In ODI cricket this is obviously completely different

I think that is is something that helps an already top class record, Viv being the obvious example. I'd have a hard time rating Dev over Imran though purely because of his SR

Kapil also has played some ATG knocks with bat. Imran has good stats but he doesn't have many iconic knocks to his name as a batter.

Imran was a bowling all-rounder in first half of his career but a pure all-rounder in second half.

I would say an analogy would be comparing KP and Chanderpaul except that assuming both played in same era. If I had to pick one, I will go with KP.
 
He was a good six hitter, flamboyant and entertaining batsman to watch from my memories, similar in some ways to Afridi in that when he was at the crease you always had this anticipation that he could berserk and start hitting the ball out of the ground any minute..

However take that aside and he was a pretty mediocre cricketer all round in my view , a hard working bowler who spearheaded his teams attack and looked at least 200% superior to the bowlers at the other end - which just to clarify is more a reflection of how poor those bowlers were instead of how special Kapil Dev’s bowling was.

His test averages are about 30 with both bat and ball, which is about right for an average and mediocre all rounder.

The fact of the matter is Imran Khan and Hadlee were great fast bowlers , and would get mentioned highly in discussions even on the greatest fast bowlers of all time - leave aside all rounder.

Kapil gave some magic moments , as did Shahid Afridi for that matter , and give Afridi 130 tests with bowlers 200% inferior to him at the other end and I’m sure he would get 400 test wickets too and could end up with a batting average and bowling average close to 30 to be comparable to Kapil.
 
^ just to make clear I use the word “mediocre” above only in comparison to other all time great cricketers and based on test batting / bowling averages. Otherwise compared to Madan Lal and Roger Binny, I have no hesitation in accepting Kapil Dev was a class act.
 
India have been blessed with some great cricketers, who have left their mark on the world stage. Therefore, picking an all-time India XI can become a herculean task let alone picking the greatest ever Indian cricketer. But legendary Indian opener Sunil Gavaskar had no hesitation in his mind when he was asked to name the best Indian cricketer of all time.

Gavaskar said India’s 1983 World Cup-winning captain Kapil Dev will always be the No.1 Indian cricketer according to him.

“Top of everything would be Kapil Dev, he would be No.1. For me, he is the best. All-time No.1 will always be Kapil Dev,” Gavaskar told India Today.

Hailing Kapil Dev’s all-round abilities, Gavaskar termed the former India captain a ‘complete cricketer’ and added that he could win matches both the bat and ball.

“He could win the match with the bat and with the ball. He would take the wickets and win the match for you. He would score a scorching hundred or quickfire 80-90 and turn the game around. He made an impact with the bat. He made an impact with the ball. Don’t forget all those catches that he took. So he was a complete cricketer,” Gavaskar added.

In the 10 years between 1978 and 1987 that Gavaskar and Kapil Dev played together, the due represented India in 87 Tests and 97 ODIs. Both of them were instrumental in India’s success in the 1980s and won India many matches with their performance. The biggest highlight of their careers, however, was when India lifted their maiden World Cup beating the mighty West Indies in the 1983 final at Lord’s.

Kapil Dev is widely hailed as the one changed Indian cricketer forever by leading an underdog to the world title at the mecca of cricket.

The Haryana all-rounder had hung his boots in 1994 after playing 131 Tests and 225 ODIs for India. Kapil scored 5248 and 3783 runs in Tests and ODI respectively and picked up 434 and 253 wickets.

Gavaskar said the recently retired MS Dhoni is very similar to Kapil Dev.

“Both (Dhoni and Kapil) were very, very similar. Both had similar approaches to the game. They loved playing the game. Both of them loved being in the center of action and they wanted to achieve great things for their teams. In that way, both are very similar,” Gavaskar said.

“If a captain is a little more irritable at a catch being dropped or a misfield, then the players get even more nervous. And that’s where Kapil Dev and MS Dhoni scored. They just controlled their emotions so well, that the players did not feel affected at all and played their own game freely,” he added.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...r-kapil-dev/story-fuPFtKfuu1pEKTKnAV4i5N.html
 
India down 17/5 against Zim, in walks Kapil and scores 175. Never has a more consequential innings been played in an ODI.

Fantastic catch to dismiss Richards in the final.

Yet a different Indian ODI all rounder was MOM in the semifinal and final!!!
 
India have been blessed with some great cricketers, who have left their mark on the world stage. Therefore, picking an all-time India XI can become a herculean task let alone picking the greatest ever Indian cricketer. But legendary Indian opener Sunil Gavaskar had no hesitation in his mind when he was asked to name the best Indian cricketer of all time.

Gavaskar said India’s 1983 World Cup-winning captain Kapil Dev will always be the No.1 Indian cricketer according to him.

“Top of everything would be Kapil Dev, he would be No.1. For me, he is the best. All-time No.1 will always be Kapil Dev,” Gavaskar told India Today.

Hailing Kapil Dev’s all-round abilities, Gavaskar termed the former India captain a ‘complete cricketer’ and added that he could win matches both the bat and ball.

“He could win the match with the bat and with the ball. He would take the wickets and win the match for you. He would score a scorching hundred or quickfire 80-90 and turn the game around. He made an impact with the bat. He made an impact with the ball. Don’t forget all those catches that he took. So he was a complete cricketer,” Gavaskar added.

In the 10 years between 1978 and 1987 that Gavaskar and Kapil Dev played together, the due represented India in 87 Tests and 97 ODIs. Both of them were instrumental in India’s success in the 1980s and won India many matches with their performance. The biggest highlight of their careers, however, was when India lifted their maiden World Cup beating the mighty West Indies in the 1983 final at Lord’s.

Kapil Dev is widely hailed as the one changed Indian cricketer forever by leading an underdog to the world title at the mecca of cricket.

The Haryana all-rounder had hung his boots in 1994 after playing 131 Tests and 225 ODIs for India. Kapil scored 5248 and 3783 runs in Tests and ODI respectively and picked up 434 and 253 wickets.

Gavaskar said the recently retired MS Dhoni is very similar to Kapil Dev.

“Both (Dhoni and Kapil) were very, very similar. Both had similar approaches to the game. They loved playing the game. Both of them loved being in the center of action and they wanted to achieve great things for their teams. In that way, both are very similar,” Gavaskar said.

“If a captain is a little more irritable at a catch being dropped or a misfield, then the players get even more nervous. And that’s where Kapil Dev and MS Dhoni scored. They just controlled their emotions so well, that the players did not feel affected at all and played their own game freely,” he added.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...r-kapil-dev/story-fuPFtKfuu1pEKTKnAV4i5N.html

Gavaskar is being too modest, the greatest Indian cricketer is Gavaskar, followed by Tendulkar and Dev.
 
Gavaskar is being too modest, the greatest Indian cricketer is Gavaskar, followed by Tendulkar and Dev.

As a test cricketer, Gavaskar is probably only 2nd to Sir Don Bradman. An absolute giant of the game.

For a test opener to average 51+ in that era is absolutely ming boggling.

In today's era, the guy simply wouldn't get out.
 
As a test cricketer, Gavaskar is probably only 2nd to Sir Don Bradman. An absolute giant of the game.

For a test opener to average 51+ in that era is absolutely ming boggling.

In today's era, the guy simply wouldn't get out.

Fierce concentration and dogged determination. Boycott had it too, but not as much talent as Gavaskar.

Yes, an average of 51 overall and 51 away from home is mind boggling.
 
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As a test cricketer, the two greatest Indian batsmen are Sunil Gavaskar and Vijay Merchant. Vijay Merchant averaged 78 in FC facing a bowling attack of Indian and Pakistani pacers both, Mohammad Nisaar and Amar Singh Lodha.
 
Fairytale stories in sports have always been an inspiration. They often tend to revolutionise things and sketch a new beginning. Cricket in India had experienced a similar exactly 38 years back when Kapil Dev's Team India had pulled off the unthinkable at the Lord's.

West Indies were then the Goliath in world cricket, led by the daunting Clive Llyod. Clubbed into the second group, West Indies, the defending champions, lost just one en route to finishing atop in the group table, winning five other matches. Viv Richards' knock of 96-ball 80 helped the Windies beat Pakistan to reach the final.

England were the next big side in the competition and a summit clash between the two looked inevitable. Like the Windies, they too finished atop in their group, losing just one.

Parallelly, the unheralded Indian team were slowly making their way through the unknown, and towards what most felt was unachievable for them. They finished second behind West Indies in the second group, losing two games, before stunning the English side at the Old Trafford in the semi-final.

A journey as inspirational it was, did match the dominance of Richards' men. India were never the favourites for the biggest competition in world cricket, and a total of 183 only reinforced that opinion.

West Indies got off to a promising start, motoring to 50 for one with the skipper hitting seven boundaries in his 28-ball 33. But one moment of magic changed the course of the game. Richards sent a skier off Madan Lal and Indian skipper Kapil Dev pulled off a sensational catch and West Indies soon wobbled to 76 for 6.

Mohinder Amarnath then broke the late resistance from Jeff Dujon and Malcolm Marshall as West Indies slipped further, eventually bundling for just 140.

Amarnath had bagged the Man of the Match award for his 3 for 12 in seven overs.

https://www.indiatvnews.com/sports/...s-pulled-off-the-unthinkable-at-lord-s-714484
 
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India's Greatest Cricketer..
 
He is definitely an Indian ATG.

434 Test wickets, 253 ODI wickets, 5248 Test runs, and won a WC.
 
1. Sobers
2. Kallis
3. Imran
4. Miller
5. Botham
6. Kapil
 
Greatest test all rounders post 1970:-

1. Imran Khan
2. Jacques Kallis
3. Ian Botham
4. Kapil Dev
5. Ravindra Jadeja
6. Ben Stokes
7. Chris Cairns
8. Andrew Flintoff
9. Tony Greig
10. Daniel Vettori
 
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Greatest test all rounders post 1970:-

1. Imran Khan
2. Jacques Kallis
3. Ian Botham
4. Kapil Dev
5. Ravindra Jadeja
6. Ben Stokes
7. Chris Cairns
8. Andrew Flintoff
9. Tony Greig
10. Daniel Vettori

Number 1 is always Gary Sobers.

The issue with both Kapil and Botham was that their peak was too short. Both were great players from 1978 to 1985. After that one was just too out of shape and the other was not as quick anymore.
 
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