Where will Asia Cup 2023 be played?

[Hitman]

Looks like some Pakistani posters believe that every single Indian fan share the same opinion as the BCCI.

 

[Slim]

(Almost) everything is about money, not just cricket.. even Fifa changes their usual wc time to host it in Qatar...

Well, i hope it fills up your coffers buddy, PCB aint sending me no cheques. The daddy's child that only a mother could called beautiful aka Jay Shah, has given PCB no option by saying that he will move the tournament to a neutral venue.

ACC was already a pathetic organization but it being a completely indian controlled body, there is literally no point for Pakistan to stay in it anymore. I will be glad if we leave it.

 

[Slim]

Looks like some Pakistani posters believe that every single Indian fan share the same opinion as the BCCI.

Just look at this thread, indians who live in India are so jingoistic. Its insane. Because i live in North America and i have so many indian friends and couple of romantic intersets as well and i vibe so well with indians. So do majority of Indian and Pakistanis with each other in the west.

But people back in India especially are so zealotistic about their nationalism, its crazy. Thats why India and Pakistan will never become first world countries. The amount of disgust and pettiness in the brains in those countries will never let them get out of their small minded shells.

 

[Kianig89]

Local papers saying Ramiz thinking about boycotting WC23 if India dont turn up!

 

[light]

Firstly India was the one who stopped Cricket with Pak hoping we would agree to their bullying over Kashmir. When there threats didn't work and Cricket has returned to Pak they now want to play! Sport will not bring justice to the suffering people of IoK.

Since you keep dragging politics into a SPORT conversation ... If you want to talk politics ... didn't pak cause mass murder/suffering/rape to the BD population? Then I remember a couple of years ago they didn't want to tour you guys, PCB bullied BCB to pay money. Lol! Please, spare the nonsense. Sport is sport, politics is politics. Leave politics where they belong. We can all dig up Pakistan's history as well, there is nothing nice about the crimes that were caused to BD by Pak. Where is the justice in that? Let's not start pointing fingers at India and think Pak is innocent ...

Like I said previously: sport is a great way to reunite people from two countries that are enemies on the battlefield. That's just me personally, I know others don't think the same way and look at sports and politics alike. I guess we have to agree to disagree, respectfully.

I hope moving forward, we can have a conversation/debate about just cricket itself instead of dragging politics into the conversation. Players are not soldiers, and soldiers/civilians are not cricketers. Someone wanting to see two countries play has nothing to do with the quarrels between the two countries.

 

[Varun]

It's up to Pakistan to boycott everything Indian now - from the Asia Cup to the World Cup and anything else in between. Come on Pakistan, do it! Don't always negotiate with a gun to your head.

Imagine the shock and horror the BCCI will experience if Pakistan don't turn up to the toss this Sunday. The sponsors will be mad.

*assuming it isn't a washout of course.

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

Will the people of India care if they lose? Would they want more matches with Pakistan? The government is elected by people and a few influential voices is all its going to take for GOI to reverse its policy

People wont hit the streets to make Govt. change its policy of not having bilateral engagements with PAK. India have already too many things to deal with. People know that INDIA vs PAK already keeps happening in ICC tournaments and now ICC tournaments are going to be every year. So they will clash every year and people would get to see them playing against each other at least a single match. Also when a bigger thing like trade is stopped between the two nations then who cares about cricket. Its the last thing that anyone would think about, neither the Govt. nor the people.

 

[Bilal7]

We should never not attend an ICC event. Theres a thin line being smart and going full insane. We ain't skipping any ICC event. We should never set a wrong precedent. But yes, Asia cup, fair enough!

The Asia cup is being hosted by Pakistan, lol. We can't not attend a tournament that will be hosted in Pakistan. India will be demanded to get over there and if they refuse, Pakistan has the casus belli it needs to pull out of the World Cup.

Pull out, let everyone at the ICC know why and shame the BCCI for their discrimination. We have all seen how the BJP reacts once they are exposed at the international stage and how quickly they realize their aukaat.

The PCB won't be setting the precedent, the BCCI would be.

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

It's up to Pakistan to boycott everything Indian now - from the Asia Cup to the World Cup and anything else in between. Come on Pakistan, do it! Don't always negotiate with a gun to your head.

Imagine the shock and horror the BCCI will experience if Pakistan don't turn up to the toss this Sunday. The sponsors will be mad.

*assuming it isn't a washout of course.

Nothing will happen.

Asia Cup will be played in UAE
PAK will play in WC 2023 in INDIA.

PAK GOVT. wont allow PCB to behave like IMRAN KHAN. PAK or PCB doesnt have the same clout as compared to INDIA and BCCI. Pak Govt. that is dictated by Army wont get dictated by cricket fans who want PCB to show some spine. NAZAM SETHI did that and PCB ended up paying the compensation to BCCI.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The Asia cup is being hosted by Pakistan, lol. We can't not attend a tournament that will be hosted in Pakistan. India will be demanded to get over there and if they refuse, Pakistan has the casus belli it needs to pull out of the World Cup.

Pull out, let everyone at the ICC know why and shame the BCCI for their discrimination. We have all seen how the BJP reacts once they are exposed at the international stage and how quickly they realize their aukaat.

The PCB won't be setting the precedent, the BCCI would be.

Pull out please. Lets see how it affects India and bcci.

 

[IccKnockout]

Pull out please. Lets see how it affects India and bcci.

Mungerilal Ke Haseen Sapne

 

[IccKnockout]

PCB should pull out from India's game on Sunday to prove a point.

Why wait till 2023

 

[ahsan17]

Pulling out of WC 2023 is actually a good idea. Given the disproportionate revenue generated by that one game, Pakistan has a ton of leverage by holding that one game hostage.

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

Pull out please. Lets see how it affects India and bcci.

The mindset shows why Pak is in a mess. There is a difference between being dumb and showing spine. India and BCCI have nothing to lose. Had it been the case then they would have been losing since 2008. BCCI's coffers is at an all time high and has increased three times of what it was in 2019.

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

Pulling out of WC 2023 is actually a good idea. Given the disproportionate revenue generated by that one game, Pakistan has a ton of leverage by holding that one game hostage.

One game wont supercede a whole tournament. But Indian wont playing the tournament would. Its about the participation. Whose boycott or participation would impact the tournament drastically ? ICC will have to see that what is more important for them, a match between INDIA and PAK or the whole tournament. Who will they want to participate or boycott if it comes to that situation, INDIA or PAK.
Broadcaster will also have a say regarding this.

 

[ahsan17]

PCB should pull out from India's game on Sunday to prove a point.

Why wait till 2023

Good jokes are those that make at least some sense. Is that game being hosted in India? Can't believe I have to point out such basic stuff.

 

[161]

Even if we lose money we should continue to host in Pakistan.

BCCI will look like the bad guy and Indian fans will rue the chance of Pakistan and other asian rivals while they watch another IPL.

 

[Slim]

The Asia cup is being hosted by Pakistan, lol. We can't not attend a tournament that will be hosted in Pakistan. India will be demanded to get over there and if they refuse, Pakistan has the casus belli it needs to pull out of the World Cup.

Pull out, let everyone at the ICC know why and shame the BCCI for their discrimination. We have all seen how the BJP reacts once they are exposed at the international stage and how quickly they realize their aukaat.

The PCB won't be setting the precedent, the BCCI would be.

Maybe you havent been informed, but the chairman of ACC has told everyone that hes moving the Asia Cup to a neutral venue. He didnt give us a choice in which case you show them the middle finger and leave the crapshow that ACC is.

Pulling out of ICC tournaments means you are taking panga with ICC which i dont favour. If India doesnt come to Pakistan for CT, they will be setting the precedent. And then we drop the ball if we are forced by ICC.

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

Even if we lose money we should continue to host in Pakistan.

BCCI will look like the bad guy and Indian fans will rue the chance of Pakistan and other asian rivals while they watch another IPL.

Why didnt PAK team went to India for ASIA CUP 2018 and it was held in UAE ? The reason is political bitterness. And its still there. U have to be a hypocrite of top class to utter anything regarding this if INDIA is doing the same.

 

[Slim]

Even if we lose money we should continue to host in Pakistan.

BCCI will look like the bad guy and Indian fans will rue the chance of Pakistan and other asian rivals while they watch another IPL.

You guys are not getting it, they are forcefully moving the tournament outside of Pakistan. We are not being given the choice of not having India. Its all down to the clown Jay shah and the only response is to leave ACC.

 

[Slim]

Good jokes are those that make at least some sense. Is that game being hosted in India? Can't believe I have to point out such basic stuff.

Its obvious trolling and the biggest one is my dear friend [MENTION=132715]Varun[/MENTION] who always goes under the radar with his sly digs.

 

[Slim]

Pull out please. Lets see how it affects India and bcci.

You can play your Nidhas 2.0 buddy. You lot are disgrace to non resident indians. Bunch of Hindutva extremists.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pulling out of WC 2023 is actually a good idea. Given the disproportionate revenue generated by that one game, Pakistan has a ton of leverage by holding that one game hostage.

What is this disproportionate revenue? Are rights India Pakistan matches sold separately?

 

[cricketjoshila]

You can play your Nidhas 2.0 buddy. You lot are disgrace to non resident indians. Bunch of Hindutva extremists.

Nidhas trophy with India will still have more viewers and revenue than anything pakistan can come up with.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why doesn't PCB try and convince ACC that they will host Asia Cup without India and make up any revenue loss.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You seriously typed all of that with a straight face? )

He forgets that most of the Western world has forced a sporting boycott of Russia.

 

[ahsan17]

What is this disproportionate revenue? Are rights India Pakistan matches sold separately?

That 50% of the revenue comes from that one game? You can go argue that number with ICC as far as methodology is concerned.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That 50% of the revenue comes from that one game? You can go argue that number with ICC as far as methodology is concerned.

Can you post a source that 50 per cent of ICC revenues come from that one game?

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

That 50% of the revenue comes from that one game? You can go argue that number with ICC as far as methodology is concerned.

If India doesnt participate then 90 % revenue will go for a toss. India alone is capable of making an ICC tournament useless if it doesnt participate. This single match threat doesnt stand near the impact that an ICC tournament will have without India participating in it. Any ICC tournament without INDIA wont be played at all. But its not the same with PAK. Its boycotting will only mean the revenue from that one match wont come but tournament will still be played.

 

[ahsan17]

Can you post a source that 50 per cent of ICC revenues come from that one game?

You really want me to waste my time finding source for well known facts? This is one of your old tactics. I don't have time to waste on this. You can post evidence to the contrary if you find it.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Because he said this as a bcci official. E didnt even have a meeting with acc, it was with bcci

I get that. What I am saying is two things.
One: He has direct line to the government because of his dad (but even if not, cricket is too important to India not to be a heavily government influenced entity) so all his pronouncements will reflect government thinking. Was the same even in Congress government.

Secondly: Over the last 15 years or so, India has the track record of saying things first, regardless of ACC/ICC approval and then making it happen. It is how power is distributed at the moment so who cares if Jay Shah met ACC, ICC, PCB or even his own team to align first.

Doesn't mean it's the right or wrong thing to do or should it elicit a reaction from other countries. It just is how things are at the moment.

 

[light]

Pull out please. Lets see how it affects India and bcci.

Reading some of the comments makes me think that I don't think people realizes how much IPL makes for BCCI. Pak v Ind makes money but IPL is one of the biggest sport league in the world ... IN THE WORLD. I would assume that it's a drop in a bucket vs IPL revenue.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

So Indian government told him to move the tournament out as well I assume and not just that India won't visit Pakistan? Shouldn't it then be discussed with ACC members first, how you would expect any proper organization to operate or is it a bjp chai wala outlet as well where jahalat is rightfully expected and understood since chai walas at their helm?
How difficult it is to understand?

I didn't necessarily say it is the right thing to do. I just said this is how things are.

Secondly, I hate the moniker 'chaiwala' as if it is a bad thing. I'd be proud if Pakistan had a PM who was a chaiwala - someone who makes his way up from grass roots based on his merits. Most Pakistanis dislike Modi for his philosophies, but I don't think they dislike him because he came from a humble background.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

What?

Revenue from Indo-Pak matches in tournaments go to ICC/ACC, a portion of which gets distributed among all the members. Won't even equate to 1% of what they would get by hosting India for a full month and half long bilateral series.

Did you go through the sale of the ICC rights recently? Did India Pakistan matches go under a separate tender? Or was it a composite ITT with all matches?

Pakistan gets money from ICC's revenue share. Not directly from India. Ofcourse majority of ICCs money comes from India.

If India doesn't play pakistan and gifts 2 points is it beneficial to Pakistan or is it hurting them? The aim of the boycott is not to benefit the pakistan team.

Ramiz Raja said that 50 percent of PCB's budget comes from ICC funding and that if tomorrow the Indian PM decides he will not allow any funding to Pakistan, PCB can collapse.

If the Indian government decides not to send the Indian team to ICC events that include Pakistan, there would be massive pressure from broadcasters on ICC to revise the rights deal and since most of the money comes from India and the value of the ICC rights deal is dependent on the Indian team being there, that value would drop down drastically and that would affect all boards but mostly those that depend heavily on ICC funding such as PCB.

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

Ramiz Raja said that 50 percent of PCB's budget comes from ICC funding and that if tomorrow the Indian PM decides he will not allow any funding to Pakistan, PCB can collapse.

If the Indian government decides not to send the Indian team to ICC events that include Pakistan, there would be massive pressure from broadcasters on ICC to revise the rights deal and since most of the money comes from India and the value of the ICC rights deal is dependent on the Indian team being there, that value would drop down drastically and that would affect all boards but mostly those that depend heavily on ICC funding such as PCB.

Samajhao Bhai. This simple thing wont get to the heads of fanatic fans who want PCB to get on a self destruct mode.

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

Ramiz Raja said that 50 percent of PCB's budget comes from ICC funding and that if tomorrow the Indian PM decides he will not allow any funding to Pakistan, PCB can collapse.

If the Indian government decides not to send the Indian team to ICC events that include Pakistan, there would be massive pressure from broadcasters on ICC to revise the rights deal and since most of the money comes from India and the value of the ICC rights deal is dependent on the Indian team being there, that value would drop down drastically and that would affect all boards but mostly those that depend heavily on ICC funding such as PCB.

PJL AND PSL will fill the coffers for PCB according to fanatic fans. PCB doesnt need ICC handouts and BCCI to sustain itself.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

PCB should pull out from India's game on Sunday to prove a point.

Why wait till 2023

Infact ee should boycott Pakistan in tournaments just like we do in bilaterals and send a strong message to the world. Our board and fans who watch these matches with excitement and interest are the ones who are acting like hypocrites here.

 

[hitthestump]

The mindset shows why Pak is in a mess. There is a difference between being dumb and showing spine. India and BCCI have nothing to lose. Had it been the case then they would have been losing since 2008. BCCI's coffers is at an all time high and has increased three times of what it was in 2019.

Indeed.

Pakistan have no weight to throw around. Let alone the fact they are up against a titan in India.

Whatever the play is here, it is not going to be to try and show their muscle.

 

[Rajdeep]

If India can relinquish and host Asia cup 2018 in UAE, If SL can relinquish and host Asia cup 2022 in UAE...why cant Pakistan do the same? Keep the hosting right and play in UAE like Ind & SL did.

PCB as ususal trying to be a nuisance.

Indian players wont travel to Pakistan just like Pak players didnt come to India during Asia cup 2018. So neutral venue like UAE, with all profit shared with PCB for being hosts is only logical solution?

Too tough to understand for Ramiz??

I think BCCI might send its team to Pakistan during CT 2025 since its an ICC event.

But precedence has been set with hosting Asia cups in neutral venues. Both Ind and SL did, so no reason why Pak cant.

 

[Smbhayi]

Pulling out of WC 2023 is actually a good idea. Given the disproportionate revenue generated by that one game, Pakistan has a ton of leverage by holding that one game hostage.

Really? If money was an issue for BCCI they'd have been never play against Windies after they pulled out from a series midway..

 

[DeadlyVenom]

If India has acted unilaterally and made a decision that affects the whole ACC without discussion or consultation then ACC is a sham organisation.

 

[MenInG]

Danish Kaneria on this topic:


"The BCCI could very well do that. The PCB cannot take any objection as BCCI is the richest board in the world and all other boards have to agree with them. England, Australia, South Africa and New Zealand, all these boards are with the BCCI as they know there's nothing without the BCCI."The Indian board is very, very powerful, whereas the Pakistani board is quite weak. They will have to agree with what the BCCI says, and there's no need to feel bad, because it's due to the political scenario between the two countries."

"Officials from the BCCI and the PCB should arrange a meeting at a natural venue. They can do that in Dubai in the presence of people from the ICC. Both the boards should build their respective core teams consisting of diplomats."

 

[Sarwar89]

Infact ee should boycott Pakistan in tournaments just like we do in bilaterals and send a strong message to the world. Our board and fans who watch these matches with excitement and interest are the ones who are acting like hypocrites here.

I think india-pakistan should jointly decide that they will not play against each other in icc events as well unless it is

They can mutually split the points 1 each after consultation with ICC ( if they face in group stages)

There is no need to force each other to play.
Ideally in all icc events they shall be kept in separate groups. In odi world cup they can split the points 1 each.

Semi final or final.

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

I think india-pakistan should jointly decide that they will not play against each other in icc events as well unless it is

They can mutually split the points 1 each after consultation with ICC ( if they face in group stages)

There is no need to force each other to play.
Ideally in all icc events they shall be kept in separate groups. In odi world cup they can split the points 1 each.

Semi final or final.

Indeed, that should be the way to go...No need of all this mud slinging and dirt.

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

If India can relinquish and host Asia cup 2018 in UAE, If SL can relinquish and host Asia cup 2022 in UAE...why cant Pakistan do the same? Keep the hosting right and play in UAE like Ind & SL did.

PCB as ususal trying to be a nuisance.

Indian players wont travel to Pakistan just like Pak players didnt come to India during Asia cup 2018. So neutral venue like UAE, with all profit shared with PCB for being hosts is only logical solution?

Too tough to understand for Ramiz??

I think BCCI might send its team to Pakistan during CT 2025 since its an ICC event.

But precedence has been set with hosting Asia cups in neutral venues. Both Ind and SL did, so no reason why Pak cant.

Rameez is no different to IMRAN KHAN. FANATIC AND WITHOUT SENSE.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I think india-pakistan should jointly decide that they will not play against each other in icc events as well unless it is

They can mutually split the points 1 each after consultation with ICC ( if they face in group stages)

There is no need to force each other to play.
Ideally in all icc events they shall be kept in separate groups. In odi world cup they can split the points 1 each.

Semi final or final.

Yes. This should happen but will never happen.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

If India can relinquish and host Asia cup 2018 in UAE, If SL can relinquish and host Asia cup 2022 in UAE...why cant Pakistan do the same? Keep the hosting right and play in UAE like Ind & SL did.

PCB as ususal trying to be a nuisance.

Indian players wont travel to Pakistan just like Pak players didnt come to India during Asia cup 2018. So neutral venue like UAE, with all profit shared with PCB for being hosts is only logical solution?

Too tough to understand for Ramiz??

I think BCCI might send its team to Pakistan during CT 2025 since its an ICC event.

But precedence has been set with hosting Asia cups in neutral venues. Both Ind and SL did, so no reason why Pak cant.

Will India host world cup in UAE too?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

If India can relinquish and host Asia cup 2018 in UAE, If SL can relinquish and host Asia cup 2022 in UAE...why cant Pakistan do the same? Keep the hosting right and play in UAE like Ind & SL did.

PCB as ususal trying to be a nuisance.

Indian players wont travel to Pakistan just like Pak players didnt come to India during Asia cup 2018. So neutral venue like UAE, with all profit shared with PCB for being hosts is only logical solution?

Too tough to understand for Ramiz??

I think BCCI might send its team to Pakistan during CT 2025 since its an ICC event.

But precedence has been set with hosting Asia cups in neutral venues. Both Ind and SL did, so no reason why Pak cant.

You are making things up again.

There is no equivalence with this and the 2018 and most recent Asia Cup.

In 2018 the Indian government could not guarantee that Pakistanis would be able to play in the tournament. They were therefore forced to relinquish it and move it. They also refused to allow Pakistani kids to play in an U19 tournament the year before.

The most recent Asia cup was moved because Sri Lanka felt they were unable to host it because of the recent protests.

In this instance, Pakistan has no issues with Indians playing in the country and unlike the Indians/Sri Lankas is happy to host it in its territory.

If you guys want to get your pants in a twist and not play in Pakistan then that's fine.

However, there is no need to paint PCB in a bad light here and call them a nuisance, when all they are attempting to do is host a tournament that was previously agreed.

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

You are making things up again.

There is no equivalence with this and the 2018 and most recent Asia Cup.

In 2018 the Indian government could not guarantee that Pakistanis would be able to play in the tournament. They were therefore forced to relinquish it and move it. They also refused to allow Pakistani kids to play in an U19 tournament the year before.

The most recent Asia cup was moved because Sri Lanka felt they were unable to host it because of the recent protests.

In this instance, Pakistan has no issues with Indians playing in the country and unlike the Indians/Sri Lankas is happy to host it in its territory.

If you guys want to get your pants in a twist and not play in Pakistan then that's fine.

However, there is no need to paint PCB in a bad light here and call them a nuisance, when all they are attempting to do is host a tournament that was previously agreed.

This time also its the Govt. of India ordering BCCI not to tour PAK for ASIA CUP. Now PCB can do whatever it wishes.

 

[Varun]

If India has acted unilaterally and made a decision that affects the whole ACC without discussion or consultation then ACC is a sham organisation.

When was in any doubt, and why did you take until 2022 to figure this out?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

What was the reason for pakistan pulling out of Asia Cup 1990? Kashmir?

Well that is a different topic entirely to what Rajdeep fabricated.. but happy to discuss it.

They "pulled out" of the tournament - i.e said you guys play we aint coming.

India has unilaterally rescheduled the tournament to another country without consulting or informing the hosts

Once again, there is no equivalence between any Asia cup in the past where one of two things have happened :

1. Country admitted they are unable to host - India, Sri Lanka in recent times
2. Countries have pulled out without unilaterally rescheduling the tournament - India in 1986 and Pak in 1990 for example.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

When was in any doubt, and why did you take until 2022 to figure this out?

I never really paid it any attention in the past tbh.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They took inspiration from what India did in 1986

What did India do in 1986?

 

[Savak]

Danish Kaneria on this topic:


"The BCCI could very well do that. The PCB cannot take any objection as BCCI is the richest board in the world and all other boards have to agree with them. England, Australia, South Africa and New Zealand, all these boards are with the BCCI as they know there's nothing without the BCCI."The Indian board is very, very powerful, whereas the Pakistani board is quite weak. They will have to agree with what the BCCI says, and there's no need to feel bad, because it's due to the political scenario between the two countries."

"Officials from the BCCI and the PCB should arrange a meeting at a natural venue. They can do that in Dubai in the presence of people from the ICC. Both the boards should build their respective core teams consisting of diplomats."

Kaneria catering to the Hindu audience from India on YouTube. That is his only source of income these days.

 

[Ashmal]

What did India do in 1986?

Boycotted Asia Cup for political reasons

 

[shamaan]

I think they should play in Pakistan and if India don't want to come to Pakistan so be it but don't move to another country to host this tournament.

 

[pakfan54588]

Bcci needs to understand that they have zero leverage on pcb so by giving such a immature response publically that too without consulting them or acc is not gonna work on pcb .Good on pcb to give such a response .

 

[pakfan54588]

Kaneria catering to the Hindu audience from India on YouTube. That is his only source of income these days.

imagine if ex Indian cricketer had given such a statement against india

 

[cricketjoshila]

Boycotted Asia Cup for political reasons

Was Pakistan hosting it?

 

[Wasim Ghulam]

If India can relinquish and host Asia cup 2018 in UAE, If SL can relinquish and host Asia cup 2022 in UAE...why cant Pakistan do the same? Keep the hosting right and play in UAE like Ind & SL did.

PCB as ususal trying to be a nuisance.

Indian players wont travel to Pakistan just like Pak players didnt come to India during Asia cup 2018. So neutral venue like UAE, with all profit shared with PCB for being hosts is only logical solution?

Too tough to understand for Ramiz??

I think BCCI might send its team to Pakistan during CT 2025 since its an ICC event.

But precedence has been set with hosting Asia cups in neutral venues. Both Ind and SL did, so no reason why Pak cant.

If BCCI can assure they will Participate in CT 2025 in Pakistan... then you are right.. but we fear that once BCCI uses its clout to pull out of one tournament.. they will probably do the same 2 years later.. what is stopping them? Two options here
1. Get Assurance for participation in 2025 ct and play asia cup 2023 at Neutral venue. Win win

2. Boycott ACC and Asia cup. Participate in 2023 wc since its ICC event. If India does not Participate in CT 2025.. let them set this precedent first for us to do the same in following events

 

[Kaptan]

I am with PCB on this. They have every right to host Asia Cup wherever they want. BCCI can refuse to participate or not travel to Pakistan but changing the venue for all the matches is wrong.

Pakistan should straight away refuse to move Asian Cup outside Pakistan.

 

[Kriketer]

I didn't necessarily say it is the right thing to do. I just said this is how things are.

Secondly, I hate the moniker 'chaiwala' as if it is a bad thing. I'd be proud if Pakistan had a PM who was a chaiwala - someone who makes his way up from grass roots based on his merits. Most Pakistanis dislike Modi for his philosophies, but I don't think they dislike him because he came from a humble background.

One can't justify it as 'this is how things are'. Things can only be that way if it is run by unprofessional buffoons which no surprise Jay Shah has showed and tends to be associated with South Asian organizations and very much an Indian thing as well (also one of the reasons why countries like india won't come out of third world status). Pull out such a thing in any other major sport or organization where you don't consult actual members of the organisation first and you will be booted out but since cricket is ruled by corruption of BCCI (hence the demise of the game is obvious), their members think they can pull off anything and get away with it. It's funny how majority of Indians here blindly support this instead of atleast recognizing it was unprofessional and silly, but I guess their idiotic nationalism has made them this way under their facist government.

Major issue here is it must have been discussed first among the members and if they had came to some agreement mutually then it would have been fair. I personally would be on board with "neutral ground like UAE for Asia Cup (needs to be scrapped anyways), and Pakistan then agreeing to missing WC 24 in India, and India agrees to missing CT 25 in Pakistan", this would have kept things simple.and both would have kept the tournaments.

Don't think India missing CT would mean much as Pakistan needs a proper tournament with most countries in Pakistan, but Pakistan missing WC will sure have more of an impact on India. Majority of world up games tend to be about India vs Pak game anyway, look at West Indies '07 WC.

 

[cricketjoshila]

One can't justify it as 'this is how things are'. Things can only be that way if it is run by unprofessional buffoons which no surprise Jay Shah has showed and tends to be associated with South Asian organizations and very much an Indian thing as well (also one of the reasons why countries like india won't come out of third world status). Pull out such a thing in any other major sport or organization where you don't consult actual members of the organisation first and you will be booted out but since cricket is ruled by corruption of BCCI (hence the demise of the game is obvious), their members think they can pull off anything and get away with it. It's funny how majority of Indians here blindly support this instead of atleast recognizing it was unprofessional and silly, but I guess their idiotic nationalism has made them this way under their facist government.

Major issue here is it must have been discussed first among the members and if they had came to some agreement mutually then it would have been fair. I personally would be on board with "neutral ground like UAE for Asia Cup (needs to be scrapped anyways), and Pakistan then agreeing to missing WC 24 in India, and India agrees to missing CT 25 in Pakistan", this would have kept things simple.and both would have kept the tournaments.

Don't think India missing CT would mean much as Pakistan needs a proper tournament with most countries in Pakistan, but Pakistan missing WC will sure have more of an impact on India. Majority of world up games tend to be about India vs Pak game anyway, look at West Indies '07 WC.

Anyone who thinks India missing the CT is doesn't mean much, but Pakistan missing the WC will have a big impact is being delusional.

Most of the cricketing world's viewership and revenues come from India.

And no WCs are not about Indo Pak matches. Else ICC would be selling their rights separately.

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

Anyone who thinks India missing the CT is doesn't mean much, but Pakistan missing the WC will have a big impact is being delusional.

Most of the cricketing world's viewership and revenues come from India.

And no WCs are not about Indo Pak matches. Else ICC would be selling their rights separately.

[MENTION=4924]Kriketer[/MENTION] has his own world of fantasies where PCB and PAK GOVT. run cricketing world and political world respectively.

 

[Rajdeep]

You are making things up again.

There is no equivalence with this and the 2018 and most recent Asia Cup.

In 2018 the Indian government could not guarantee that Pakistanis would be able to play in the tournament. They were therefore forced to relinquish it and move it. They also refused to allow Pakistani kids to play in an U19 tournament the year before.

The most recent Asia cup was moved because Sri Lanka felt they were unable to host it because of the recent protests.

In this instance, Pakistan has no issues with Indians playing in the country and unlike the Indians/Sri Lankas is happy to host it in its territory.

If you guys want to get your pants in a twist and not play in Pakistan then that's fine.

However, there is no need to paint PCB in a bad light here and call them a nuisance, when all they are attempting to do is host a tournament that was previously agreed.

What you are saying is right. Indian govt couldnt assure visa for Pak players back in 2018 and asked BCCI to either move the event or cancel. BCCI subsequently discussed with ACC and moved the tourney to UAE.

This time also Indian govt is not allowing BCCI to send its players to Pakistan. So BCCI is asking to host the tournament in UAE. Situation might be slightly different but since this tournament has been hosted in neutral venue in last couple of editions, I dont see the reason why cant we do it again in UAE?

It wont have any financial implication on PCB as host board retain all the rights. Infact, Asia Cup 2018 and 2022 were very profitable for both BCCI and SLCB.

Ramiz is making it a prestige issue rather than thinking rationally.

One thing for sure, India wont travel to Pakistan and there is no debate on that. If PCB is hell bent on still hosting the tournament in Pakistan then BCCI would have to unfortunately pull out. India pulling out of Asia cup will have financial implications as Star Sports wont pay a dime and PCB would make loss. Then the question of finding new broadcasters/sponsors etc.

So the options are:

1. Have the tournament in UAE and PCB makes profit

2. Remain jasbaati and force the tournament in Pakistan by incurring loss

If I were Ramiz, I would take the option 1 in a heartbeat and get assurance of CT 2025 hosting from ICC.

 

[Kriketer]

[MENTION=4924]Kriketer[/MENTION] has his own world of fantasies where PCB and PAK GOVT. run cricketing world and political world respectively.

Not a fantasy world, just being realistic. First recognize that what Jay Shah did was very unprofessional, if you can't do that then smarter choice is to stay quiet about world of fantasies and delusions, as you keep showing being stuck in it. Just because you are Indian doesn't mean you have to stand by unprofessionalism and stupidity of Jay Shah, it's just common sense, but we know being a sanghi and common sense don't usually tend to go together. I would have called out PCB member if he had done something similar. We are not blinded by nationalism like you lot.

 

[reversehook]

India BCCI needs to understand its no longer the buffoon Ijaz Butt at helm, now its RR, and i have a gut feeling he will make a solid alteration of plans or at the least a point out of it... waiting patiently with my popcorn bag.... pcb's first statement on issue is bang on...

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

Not a fantasy world, just being realistic. First recognize that what Jay Shah did was very unprofessional, if you can't do that then smarter choice is to stay quiet about world of fantasies and delusions, as you keep showing being stuck in it. Just because you are Indian doesn't mean you have to stand by unprofessionalism and stupidity of Jay Shah, it's just common sense, but we know being a sanghi and common sense don't usually tend to go together. I would have called out PCB member if he had done something similar. We are not blinded by nationalism like you lot.

Being radicalised and common sense doesnt go together. What professionalism are you talking about ? Taking an MOU as an agreement and then dragging BCCI to court was professionalism. Its simple Jay Shah has conveyed that India wont tour Pak at all. They r free to boycott INDIA wherever they want. India wont lose a bit. They have already stopped trade with India and facing inflation. PCB must BOYCOTT ICC tournaments, BCCI instead of giving empty threats and throwing tantrums. India is doing very well without touring or playing Pak in bilaterals. India isnt dependent on ICC handouts rather its a major contributor to ICC's revenue from which PAK also gets its share and dependent on it.
Will Pak survive without ICC handouts and without playing ICC tournaments ?

 

[Ashmal]

Was Pakistan hosting it?

That's not the point.

The fact is India boycotted a multi-nation event for political issues much before Pakistan and set a precedent.

So you can't blame PCB for 1990.

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

India BCCI needs to understand its no longer the buffoon Ijaz Butt at helm, now its RR, and i have a gut feeling he will make a solid alteration of plans or at the least a point out of it... waiting patiently with my popcorn bag.... pcb's first statement on issue is bang on...

PCB needs to understand that BCCI is run by the old guards now not COA led by VINOD RAI. And the people in BCCI have direct link with Indian Govt. The involvement of Indian Govt simply makes it impossible for PAK GOVT to do anything regarding this let alone PCB. They can inflict damages to themselves by boycotting ICC tournaments which too is unlikely to happen as PAK GOVT. wont allow PCB to do this.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That's not the point.

The fact is India boycotted a multi-nation event for political issues much before Pakistan and set a precedent.

So you can't blame PCB for 1990.

Lankan Tamils were pouring into India because of the Lankan government's genocide of Tamils. Lanka was basically violating Indian borders and pushing its citizens into India. It was a virtually an invasion.

Was India invading pakistan?

Also Pakistan had boycotted the Moscow olympics before this. So pakistan had done this before.

 

[reversehook]

PCB needs to understand that BCCI is run by the old guards now not COA led by VINOD RAI. And the people in BCCI have direct link with Indian Govt. The involvement of Indian Govt simply makes it impossible for PAK GOVT to do anything regarding this let alone PCB. They can inflict damages to themselves by boycotting ICC tournaments which too is unlikely to happen as PAK GOVT. wont allow PCB to do this.

so you are agreeing to the fact that BCCI is in cahoots with ind govt doing this childish behaviour and petty stance....

 

[Kriketer]

Being radicalised and common sense doesnt go together. What professionalism are you talking about ? Taking an MOU as an agreement and then dragging BCCI to court was professionalism. Its simple Jay Shah has conveyed that India wont tour Pak at all. They r free to boycott INDIA wherever they want. India wont lose a bit. They have already stopped trade with India and facing inflation. PCB must BOYCOTT ICC tournaments, BCCI instead of giving empty threats and throwing tantrums. India is doing very well without touring or playing Pak in bilaterals. India isnt dependent on ICC handouts rather its a major contributor to ICC's revenue from which PAK also gets its share and dependent on it.
Will Pak survive without ICC handouts and without playing ICC tournaments ?

Bla bla drama. You still haven't responded to a simple query. Was it professional of Jay Shah to do it without involvement of ACC members, especially host country Pakistan? I mean it's not that hard to answer as one would call it outright idiotic and unprofessional.

We know your types are struggling to respond to it and bringing up all kind of lame arguments. We won't walk away from ICC tournaments outside of India, we have never made fuss to play India, funny how you are tossing that onto us. We even agreed to playing Test series in England part of FTP, and you won't even pplay that lol, but then you will play the final of Test Championship series if both Pakistan India makes it to the final that's the most comical stuff about your cherry picking comical stance that one can only laugh at.

You guys do the drama of 'Pakistan enemy country' and 'hamari sena ka jaawan ka khoon' drama and yet you become bagherats and show up to play Pakistan in ICC tournaments over the blood of your jawaans?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Being radicalised and common sense doesnt go together. What professionalism are you talking about ? Taking an MOU as an agreement and then dragging BCCI to court was professionalism. Its simple Jay Shah has conveyed that India wont tour Pak at all. They r free to boycott INDIA wherever they want. India wont lose a bit. They have already stopped trade with India and facing inflation. PCB must BOYCOTT ICC tournaments, BCCI instead of giving empty threats and throwing tantrums. India is doing very well without touring or playing Pak in bilaterals. India isnt dependent on ICC handouts rather its a major contributor to ICC's revenue from which PAK also gets its share and dependent on it.
Will Pak survive without ICC handouts and without playing ICC tournaments ?

Of course they will survive. Any sport with such a large fanbase can be monetised. It may take a different form, and might need some creativity, but there will be ways to implement it as long as the game stays relevant in Pakistan.

You have to consider that other ICC nations won't see it in their interests to support Indian attempts to sabotage Pakistan cricket, they will certainly not want to lose an important member nation in an already marginal world sport. That is why you see them making determined efforts to support Pakistan cricket in the last year or two to show support. The last thing England and Australia will want is to see another nation lost to the sport as West Indies cricket has been.

 

[Devadwal]

Not all indians brother, only Godi Bhakts.....they are the cancer for our country.
Even majority of we Indians love to play with Pakistan and also in Pakistan..

You can play your Nidhas 2.0 buddy. You lot are disgrace to non resident indians. Bunch of Hindutva extremists.

Just a reminder for you - nidhas trophy final over has maximum view on YouTube ,more than any cricketing highlight ever

 

[asfandyar]

Lolwut? Nationalism? From India? They are the most disunited people in the world. Do ask Indian Muslims, Sikhs, Christians, Dalits, Kashmiris, Punjabis, farmers, atheists and liberals/secularists what they think about the Indian government.

Cricket is the one thing where India is able to project its soft power and they are showing everyone exactly why they don't deserve power anywhere else.

Nationalism is unity when confronting a foreigner. Internally, you may disagree on everything, fight and kill each other for consuming beef, but when the word "India" is uttered, poof, unity. In Pakistan, people try to showcase their inner divide to the world as if it's some sort of an achievement.

For example the Ishaq Dar heckling at a US airport. The Americans don't know who Ishaq Dar, Nawaz Sharif or Imran Khan is. All they saw is two Pakistani groups creating a ruckus and using foul language. For Pakistanis, idol-worship, ethnicity, religion and humanity supersede their country.

 

[ex-q-zit]

Bla bla drama. You still haven't responded to a simple query. Was it professional of Jay Shah to do it without involvement of ACC members, especially host country Pakistan? I mean it's not that hard to answer as one would call it outright idiotic and unprofessional.

We know your types are struggling to respond to it and bringing up all kind of lame arguments. We won't walk away from ICC tournaments outside of India, we have never made fuss to play India, funny how you are tossing that onto us. We even agreed to playing Test series in England part of FTP, and you won't even pplay that lol, but then you will play the final of Test Championship series if both Pakistan India makes it to the final that's the most comical stuff about your cherry picking comical stance that one can only laugh at.

You guys do the drama of 'Pakistan enemy country' and 'hamari sena ka jaawan ka khoon' drama and yet you become bagherats and show up to play Pakistan in ICC tournaments over the blood of your jawaans?

Even if Jay Shah made the statement with involvement of ACC members its still unprofessional. If India had any reservations they should have made it clear right when Pakistan was made the host. Secondly, it was unwanted of him to make the statement right now when there is still 10 monmths to go for it to be held. During which time anything can happen in diplomacy. I for one being an eternal optimist hope for full fledged series between both countries in the next 5 years.

Now coming to India not playing bi-lateral and playing on ICC tournaments. Yes, its a flawed policy as flawed as Pakistan banning bollywood movies and broadcast of indian matches in Pak but yet buying mosquito nets from India. To give you similar example that close to home then Pakistan does not recognise Israel as a country but yet will play against it in Olympics and so does the Modi Government.

Indian policy has always been to only look after its own interests just like buying Russian Oil while maintaining close ties with the west. government

 

[Ab Fan]

Given the sour relations between India and Pakistan, I don't see BCCI allowing Indian players to tour Pakistan and this tournament as well as the Champions Trophy in 2024-25 will get rescheduled to a neutral venue.

2023 World Cup is a massive event and doubt Pakistan would be able to gain anything by boycotting that tournament. The only thing they can do till then is show disagreement and have continuous meetings till the time but that would not lead to anything.

 

[Mp812]

Solution is simple.
Any India Pakistan match in Asia cup, schedule it in SL even if both teams reach final.
.All other Asia cup matches take place in Pakistan under curfew like security if other teams agree to play in Pakistan.

 

[PakLFC]

I gotta feeling that Pak will do something big here. Pak boycotting the WC may lead to other teams putting pressure on India to explain their position. If NZ, Eng and Aus visited Pak successfully then it puts India on the spot. I can't imagine a Cricket WC going ahead if Pak boycotts it. We're in uncharted territory here folks.