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Where will Asia Cup 2023 be played?

The likelihood after all this huffing and puffing will be that the Asia Cup will be in UAE and Pakistan will go to the World Cup in India.
 
Geniune Question... Pakistan Fans really think ICC take World cup hosting from India in case Pakistan won't travel to India ???
 
Saj said:
The likelihood after all this huffing and puffing will be that the Asia Cup will be in UAE and Pakistan will go to the World Cup in India.
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And Pakistan will play every 'home' ICC tournament in the UAE from now on. This will go on for probably as long as we all live.

Congratulations India. You won. Ramiz was briefly in your way but Sethi was happy to take the easy way out.
 
Pakistan should show some spine. A 10 team WC without Pakistan will take a lot of sheen away from the tournament. Use your leverage.
 
boomboomcheema said:
Pakistan should show some spine. A 10 team WC without Pakistan will take a lot of sheen away from the tournament. Use your leverage.
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Losing even one team will be a huge loss not just for fans, WC experience, but also to the ICC. The $$$ value loss in revenues will hurt them and a lot of boards.

I am sure things will sort out by the time we get to the tournaments.
 
boomboomcheema said:
Pakistan should show some spine. A 10 team WC without Pakistan will take a lot of sheen away from the tournament. Use your leverage.
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Exactly. The Indian posters will always tell you how skipping the WC will be detrimental for Pakistan cricket and whatnot. They never mention the affect it will have on the tournament, particularly the lucrative India vs Pakistan game that generates a disproportionate revenue from WC. Do not fall for their gaslighting.

I think a reasonable compromise is that India plays its Asia Cup games in UAE and Pakistan plays its WC games in UAE.
 
Pakistan should boycott both Asia Cup and ODI World Cup if they taking away the hosting of Asia Cup from Pakistan. Hopefully PCB grows some courage and has some ghairat.
 
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Let even suppose pak play all other teams just leave even if india reach finals..just gave them a trophy..and make india a sore winner.
 
nice hopes & wishes but do people here really think those wishes are going to happen. we all know what will happen for both asia cup and WC. rest is all time pass.
 
ahsan17 said:
Exactly. The Indian posters will always tell you how skipping the WC will be detrimental for Pakistan cricket and whatnot. They never mention the affect it will have on the tournament, particularly the lucrative India vs Pakistan game that generates a disproportionate revenue from WC. Do not fall for their gaslighting.

I think a reasonable compromise is that India plays its Asia Cup games in UAE and Pakistan plays its WC games in UAE.
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Please show a few credible sources that support the claim that Indo-Pak match produces disproportionate revenue.

Because last time i checked ICC sells its rights in a composite manner and Indo Pak matches are not sold separately.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Please show a few credible sources that support the claim that Indo-Pak match produces disproportionate revenue.

Because last time i checked ICC sells its rights in a composite manner and Indo Pak matches are not sold separately.
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And it doesn't take an Einstein to figure out that the rights will be worth a lot less without that one game. This argument has been rehashed way too many times that I don't have the patience to go through it yet again. Just look at ICC's own statements and the how much ad slots were selling for in India. And if you still believe Pakistan India game has as much value as Ireland vs England, or heck even India vs England game, then feel free to believe whatever you want.
 
Pakistan is a major cricketing force which attracts lot of audience . So not having Pakistan in WC ofcourse will make it look dull . Even if india says it doesn’t matter but that’s not actually true . Already you have just handful of teams in ODI WC ,losing Pakistan or any major test playing nation will only damage the cricket . If india is adamant they don’t want to come Pakistan . Then Pakistan should not bow down it’s their right to pull out also even if it’s loss for Pakistan but it is important Pakistan takes this step .
 
As much as I would like to see Team India play in Pakistan, this is not the time. The recent bombing and the deteriorating ties between the GOP and the Taliban have made me wary. PCB may provide presidential-level protection, but it only takes one terrorist sympathizer among security personnel to compromise our assets.
From an Indian POV it's not worth it.
 
hitthestump said:
And Pakistan will play every 'home' ICC tournament in the UAE from now on. This will go on for probably as long as we all live.

Congratulations India. You won. Ramiz was briefly in your way but Sethi was happy to take the easy way out.
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Ramiz wont have made any difference. Boycotting an ICC tournament was beyond his capability as PCB is controlledy by GOVT. of Pakistan and any final decision regarding this has to be made by the Govt..
 
Asif321 said:
Pakistan is a major cricketing force which attracts lot of audience . So not having Pakistan in WC ofcourse will make it look dull . Even if india says it doesn’t matter but that’s not actually true . Already you have just handful of teams in ODI WC ,losing Pakistan or any major test playing nation will only damage the cricket . If india is adamant they don’t want to come Pakistan . Then Pakistan should not bow down it’s their right to pull out also even if it’s loss for Pakistan but it is important Pakistan takes this step .
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PCB cant do much. They are not in a position to boycott an ICC tournament. Even if they do so, it will have severe consequences and they cant afford it..
This is where NAJAM wont act like Rameez.
 
Kaptan said:
As much as I would like to see Team India play in Pakistan, this is not the time. The recent bombing and the deteriorating ties between the GOP and the Taliban have made me wary. PCB may provide presidential-level protection, but it only takes one terrorist sympathizer among security personnel to compromise our assets.
From an Indian POV it's not worth it.
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I share the same sentiments after the blast in Peshawar mosque.
 
boomboomcheema said:
Pakistan should show some spine. A 10 team WC without Pakistan will take a lot of sheen away from the tournament. Use your leverage.
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This so called leverage would have an everlasting negative effect on Pakistan. They would end up making ICC take drastic steps against them. However, PAK GOVT. would not let it happen as it wont allow PCB to boycott WC in India.
 
ahsan17 said:
And it doesn't take an Einstein to figure out that the rights will be worth a lot less without that one game. This argument has been rehashed way too many times that I don't have the patience to go through it yet again. Just look at ICC's own statements and the how much ad slots were selling for in India. And if you still believe Pakistan India game has as much value as Ireland vs England, or heck even India vs England game, then feel free to believe whatever you want.
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The value of all matches that India plays is more than the value of all matches played by PAK in a WC. India vs ENG has more value than PAK vs Eng coz of the eyeballs that it brings and price of ad slots. Pak has leverage for just one match so they cant call the shots. A WC without Pak could be not so profitable as it would be with the presence of PAK but not a loss for ICC. But Pak will lose more if it boycotts WC.
 
hoshiarpurexpress said:
Pakistan should boycott both Asia Cup and ODI World Cup if they taking away the hosting of Asia Cup from Pakistan. Hopefully PCB grows some courage and has some ghairat.
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Its about being sensible. If they end up showing such type of courage and gairat then they would implode. It wont be a practical approach. But if those in the PCB who would be enemy of Pakistan cricket may suggest to boycott WC. Although it looks unlikely. Pak Govt. wont let it happen even if PCB tries to go ahead with this.
 
ahsan17 said:
And it doesn't take an Einstein to figure out that the rights will be worth a lot less without that one game. This argument has been rehashed way too many times that I don't have the patience to go through it yet again. Just look at ICC's own statements and the how much ad slots were selling for in India. And if you still believe Pakistan India game has as much value as Ireland vs England, or heck even India vs England game, then feel free to believe whatever you want.
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I haven't seen any ICC statement regarding ad slots for Indo-Pak matches.

What i have seen is that more than 80 per cent of ICC revenues come from India.


And India has shown it repeatedly that billions of dollars can be earned without Pakistan.

If Pakistan was such a big market PSL wont be getting a measly 10-12mn usd a year for Tv rights.
 
Asif321 said:
Pakistan is a major cricketing force which attracts lot of audience . So not having Pakistan in WC ofcourse will make it look dull . Even if india says it doesn’t matter but that’s not actually true . Already you have just handful of teams in ODI WC ,losing Pakistan or any major test playing nation will only damage the cricket . If india is adamant they don’t want to come Pakistan . Then Pakistan should not bow down it’s their right to pull out also even if it’s loss for Pakistan but it is important Pakistan takes this step .
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If Pakistan demands that WC be shifted from India and if BCCI says that if WC is shifted Indian team won't participate. Which way do you think the ICC board vote?

How many events will PCB boycott? India is supposed to host 4 events in next 10 years.
 
Blast in Quetta today. I think it is a good decision to move Asia Cup out of Pakistan currently. I thought situation in Pakistan is improving, but it doesn't look like that right now.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Reports state Najam Sethi told Jay Shah that if India won't play in Pakistan for the Asia Cup, Pakistan will consider not playing in India for the 2023 World Cup <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1622184367459033088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 5, 2023</a></blockquote>
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From PCB:

Cricinfo, in its story under the headline Decision on Asia Cup venue postponed to March 2023, stated: “In addition, all ACC members are believed to have been asked to seek their own government's positions on whether their teams can travel to Pakistan.”

The PCB wishes to clarify that no such matters were raised in the meeting, nor did any member indicate any intention to seek government clearance for playing in Pakistan. Sri Lanka has recently visited Pakistan in 2017 and 2019, while Bangladesh has toured Pakistan in 2020.

In the 2023-2027 Future Tours Programme (FTP), which has been agreed and announced by all ICC Members, Afghanistan Bangladesh and Sri Lanka have confirmed their tours to Pakistan.
 
cricketjoshila said:
How many events will PCB boycott? India is supposed to host 4 events in next 10 years.
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But we also need to ask how many events are the ICC prepared to have without Pakistan?

Pakistan have as much right as anyone to host tournaments. If India won't come to us, all Pakistan are doing is following the same precedence in return. We would otherwise happily play anywhere we are invited as this is sports and not politics.

It's up to you to decide whether you want to be on the path of good or evil here. Stating that 'X player supports the secession of Kashmir' is not a good enough reason to prevent sportsmen from playing a sport.

In other words stop playing into the hands of your manipulative government. They don't care about you.
 
India is going to host 4 events. If pakistan wants to send a msg, send it in this world cup and than lets see what happens after that.

We have asia cup hosting rights we can host it anywhere we want. If india does not want to show up, thats their issue.

Pakistan can than retaliate and not send the national team to india. Simple as that. We miss a world cup.

Because the main issue is that pakistan has champions trophy hosting rights. And india will whine about it when the champions trophy comes.

Its about sending a msg. ICC does not really care about the discrimination pakistan faces by india, so its up to Pakistan to decide what to do.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Blast in Quetta today. I think it is a good decision to move Asia Cup out of Pakistan currently. I thought situation in Pakistan is improving, but it doesn't look like that right now.
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Asia cup is not happening in quetta. It will happen in punjab and sindh.

Different security structure province wise.

Its like saying freedom fighter activity took place in indian occupied kashmir thus we cant play in mumbai
 
hitthestump said:
But we also need to ask how many events are the ICC prepared to have without Pakistan?

Pakistan have as much right as anyone to host tournaments. If India won't come to us, all Pakistan are doing is following the same precedence in return. We would otherwise happily play anywhere we are invited as this is sports and not politics.

It's up to you to decide whether you want to be on the path of good or evil here. Stating that 'X player supports the secession of Kashmir' is not a good enough reason to prevent sportsmen from playing a sport.

In other words stop playing into the hands of your manipulative government. They don't care about you.
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No. You need to ask, if push comes to shove, which team will ICC choose between India and Pakistan. Because in case ICC wants to take away hosting rights from India, its unlikely India will participate in that tournament.

The government has taken a fair decision that hostile entities are unwelcome.
 
Not sure what the point of the ACC is. It serves no real purpose currently. The Asia Cup is as meaningless a tournament as it gets especially considering the cricketing calendar these days.

Asia Cup should simply be scrapped.
 
Is it even safe for Pakistan to tour India ignoring the point scoring, I’d have gathered the Anti-Pakistan sentiment is at all time and even on forums these days the vitriol the Idnians spew is constant. I don’t think it is too much to ask for Pakistan to play their games in the WC at a neutral venue, but again I think we need to understand how safe it would be for the Pakistan players, it’s not a matter of oh am not touring because you’re not touring.
 
All drama of PCB and NAJAM SETHI to show that he fought for Pak so that people dont belittle him while comparing with Rameez Raja.

Najam Sethi had already done a blunder by dragging BCCI to ICC courts. Boycotting WC would only add to the list of damage that has been done by him to PCB and Pakistan.
 
Pakistan shouldn't boycott ICC events because the fine and legal issues will be very complicated. I dont think Najam Sethi will take that step

But it has every right to boycott Asia cup if the ACC decides to hold it in a neutral venue. Going to a neutral venue to play Asia cup would be totally contrary to the message that PCB has sent in recent years - that it will only play home series at home, and not neutral venues
 
Why can’t we have a compromise such as the following:
- India play their Asia Cup matches in UAE, the rest of the Asia Cup takes place in Pakistan
- Pakistan play their world cup matches in UAE, rest of the tournament takes place in India

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oatmeal said:
Pakistan shouldn't boycott ICC events because the fine and legal issues will be very complicated. I dont think Najam Sethi will take that step

But it has every right to boycott Asia cup if the ACC decides to hold it in a neutral venue. Going to a neutral venue to play Asia cup would be totally contrary to the message that PCB has sent in recent years - that it will only play home series at home, and not neutral venues
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Yeah ICC is not going to fine Pakistan, as they don’t have the guts to apply their rules to the Test playing nations. Pakistan should have been banned for political interference by now if ICC had any say whatsoever. ICC cannot take Pakistan to task if we claim the government of Pakistan is not allowing our players to travel.

India has every right to not come to Pakistan, while Pakistan should in all honesty boycott the World Cup. I don’t know why there is so much animosity on this. Pakistan is already not in any great shape, missing one WC won’t really make much of a difference.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Blast in Quetta today. I think it is a good decision to move Asia Cup out of Pakistan currently. I thought situation in Pakistan is improving, but it doesn't look like that right now.
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They never stopped happening in Quetta or KP the entire time.
 
All this rhetoric is for nothing.

India will not play Asia Cup in Pakistan.

Pakistan will play World Cup in India.

You can act indignant about it, but it won't change truth.
 
It is quite interesting. ICC would want to know this beforehand because then we can know how many slots are up for grabs at the world Cup qualifiers. Pakistan cannot keep waiting on this forever. Either you are participating or you are not.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Yeah ICC is not going to fine Pakistan, as they don’t have the guts to apply their rules to the Test playing nations. Pakistan should have been banned for political interference by now if ICC had any say whatsoever. ICC cannot take Pakistan to task if we claim the government of Pakistan is not allowing our players to travel.

India has every right to not come to Pakistan, while Pakistan should in all honesty boycott the World Cup. I don’t know why there is so much animosity on this. Pakistan is already not in any great shape, missing one WC won’t really make much of a difference.
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They will absolutely fine Pakistan because the tournament's revenue will take a hit because of the boycott and that money will come out of share of the TV rights money that ICC distributes to everyone.

It is obvious that India is playing politics about the issue and Pakistan has every right to too. But given the financial situation of PCB, its prudent to boycott Asia cup which is a smaller entity and a boycott basically kills the tournament, instead of boycotting the world cup which is an ICC event and will definitely invite sanctions. ICC turns a blind eye to political interference as they dont have much power and don't want to create enemies in a sport with not many big members. But they wont let something which directly hits their bottomline go without a response.

Agreeing to play the Asia cup in a neutral venue would be the worst possible option.
 
If India is not willing to tour Pakistan, how can they host Pakistan in India? This does not make any sense. You got to be consistent in your political view.

Also, what political tension do both of these nation still share today?
 
BDfanforever said:
If India is not willing to tour Pakistan, how can they host Pakistan in India? This does not make any sense. You got to be consistent in your political view.

Also, what political tension do both of these nation still share today?
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It's simple - Modi knows that in order to remain in power he needs to unite the country with a common boogeyman.

It works in his favour to make relations as strained as possible and have all ordinary Pakistanis seem like potential bomb toting terrorists.

There would be zero tangible problems if Pakistan played India in a full tour. The only problem would be for the BJP if the Indian public they've worked so hard to brainwash started seeing people across the border as normal human beings.
 
oatmeal said:
They will absolutely fine Pakistan because the tournament's revenue will take a hit because of the boycott and that money will come out of share of the TV rights money that ICC distributes to everyone.

It is obvious that India is playing politics about the issue and Pakistan has every right to too. But given the financial situation of PCB, its prudent to boycott Asia cup which is a smaller entity and a boycott basically kills the tournament, instead of boycotting the world cup which is an ICC event and will definitely invite sanctions. ICC turns a blind eye to political interference as they dont have much power and don't want to create enemies in a sport with not many big members. But they wont let something which directly hits their bottomline go without a response.

Agreeing to play the Asia cup in a neutral venue would be the worst possible option.
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As I said, once Pakistan makes it clear to the ICC that the Government of Pakistan is not giving them the green signal to travel to India, there is not much the ICC can do besides accept the situation. ICC doesn’t have much power in this case and any fines or legal implications will only lead to Pakistan retaliating aswell, which will create an enemy out of a Test nation in a sport where there are only a handful countries playing.

Rameez and Sethi have played this all wrong, a simple quote about the government not giving them the go ahead to tour India should have been enough to establish our intent in this case. Instead both buffoons have only moaned and moaned.

Asia Cup should be played with or without India, not much Pakistan can do if India refuse to come. They are well within their rights to not come.
 
seeing all the discussions one thing I clearly see is no one is accepting the reality and think PCB can really fight BCCI. The fact is PCB not agree for neutral venue as it is the host, either India will boycott or the Asia Cup will be called off as Pakistan is an important member. Both will result in loss to Pakistan as major revenue generator is India. Similarly if pak decides to boycott WC it doesn't change anything and WC will be on Schedule as all Indian matches will mint money and ICC will just lose just money of Pak matches..Still ICC will get huge money from World Cup and TV rights..But PCB will lose amount from 2 major tournaments which i dont think PCB can bear..whatever PCB currently doing is just acting according to sentiment of the people and when the time comes the inevitable is only going to happen..
 
chakdeindian said:
seeing all the discussions one thing I clearly see is no one is accepting the reality and think PCB can really fight BCCI. The fact is PCB not agree for neutral venue as it is the host, either India will boycott or the Asia Cup will be called off as Pakistan is an important member. Both will result in loss to Pakistan as major revenue generator is India. Similarly if pak decides to boycott WC it doesn't change anything and WC will be on Schedule as all Indian matches will mint money and ICC will just lose just money of Pak matches..Still ICC will get huge money from World Cup and TV rights..But PCB will lose amount from 2 major tournaments which i dont think PCB can bear..whatever PCB currently doing is just acting according to sentiment of the people and when the time comes the inevitable is only going to happen..
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Thanks for the attempted gaslighting. Go on.
 
You know what never made sense to me, fans from both side will try to bring politics to cricket and then when both side does play, they are glued to the tv, politics out the window. It has always amused me, seeing silly fans do this.

Also, if you ask me, BCCI and PCB has no issue with each other. If they had a chance, they would have hosted each other by now. But when gov gets involved, unfair to blame boards (from both sides).
 
chakdeindian said:
seeing all the discussions one thing I clearly see is no one is accepting the reality and think PCB can really fight BCCI. The fact is PCB not agree for neutral venue as it is the host, either India will boycott or the Asia Cup will be called off as Pakistan is an important member. Both will result in loss to Pakistan as major revenue generator is India. Similarly if pak decides to boycott WC it doesn't change anything and WC will be on Schedule as all Indian matches will mint money and ICC will just lose just money of Pak matches..Still ICC will get huge money from World Cup and TV rights..But PCB will lose amount from 2 major tournaments which i dont think PCB can bear..whatever PCB currently doing is just acting according to sentiment of the people and when the time comes the inevitable is only going to happen..
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That's true. But truly speaking cricket is very limited around the globe. pcb not getting in will surely hurt cricket in the broader scale.
It's true we can't fight with BCCI. We just can hurt cricket globally
 
hitthestump said:
It's simple - Modi knows that in order to remain in power he needs to unite the country with a common boogeyman.

It works in his favour to make relations as strained as possible and have all ordinary Pakistanis seem like potential bomb toting terrorists.

There would be zero tangible problems if Pakistan played India in a full tour. The only problem would be for the BJP if the Indian public they've worked so hard to brainwash started seeing people across the border as normal human beings.
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Its amusing how you speak of electoral politics of India without knowing anything.

Pakistan and security are only one of the issues of election.

Ordinary Pakistanis support the secession of Kashmir from India. Even the cricketers do.

Pakistan was a hostile nation and fought 4 wars with India long before Modi came to power.
 
Usman Chadda said:
As I said, once Pakistan makes it clear to the ICC that the Government of Pakistan is not giving them the green signal to travel to India, there is not much the ICC can do besides accept the situation. ICC doesn’t have much power in this case and any fines or legal implications will only lead to Pakistan retaliating aswell, which will create an enemy out of a Test nation in a sport where there are only a handful countries playing.

Rameez and Sethi have played this all wrong, a simple quote about the government not giving them the go ahead to tour India should have been enough to establish our intent in this case. Instead both buffoons have only moaned and moaned.

Asia Cup should be played with or without India, not much Pakistan can do if India refuse to come. They are well within their rights to not come.
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ICC will simply deduct money from pakistan's share for not playing in the ICC tournament.

As per the members participation agreement, If a member refuses to participate in any event then they lose proportionate share of ICC revenue.

What will Pakistan do in retaliation?
 
abughio said:
That's true. But truly speaking cricket is very limited around the globe. pcb not getting in will surely hurt cricket in the broader scale.
It's true we can't fight with BCCI. We just can hurt cricket globally
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You can only hurt yourself.
 
cricketjoshila said:
ICC will simply deduct money from pakistan's share for not playing in the ICC tournament.

As per the members participation agreement, If a member refuses to participate in any event then they lose proportionate share of ICC revenue.

What will Pakistan do in retaliation?
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Apart from PCB's loss, what if the ICC puts sanctions?
 
abughio said:
That's true. But truly speaking cricket is very limited around the globe. pcb not getting in will surely hurt cricket in the broader scale.
It's true we can't fight with BCCI. We just can hurt cricket globally
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I disagree. The scope of cricket has now changed..Like Football, now cricket leagues are more cherished than international games.IPL is no one league and its been played without pak players since long time. The bilateral series are more like timepass and only ICC tournos like World Cup, CT gets viewership. Majority of ICC earning comes from India,Aus and Eng-the big 3 and rest other boards including PCB are dependent on ICC funds which in turn comes from the big 3 countries..If we leave out Pakistan, still we will have 8 teams which is more than enough for cricket and as long as the big 3 nations are going to play out with other teams and between each other it doesn't going to affect cricket much. Whereas for Pakistan there is no other sport which could earn money other than cricket and if PCB thinks to hurt ICC, it will hurt them twice or thrice it hurts the ICC. It's like Bruise for ICC and fracture for PCB..Rameez Raja had set a wrong tone and the new PCB chairman has to pay for it. Nevertheless what's going to happen will happen and it will be favorable to BCCI only..
 
Posters are arguing whether PCB can fight BCCI or not. Indians and Pakistanis both are talking about scenario and leverage of each side.

Problem lies in premise of the argument. PCB doesn't need to fight BCCI in first place, instead of thinking who will win the fight.

Long term solution is that boards should find ways to ensure that a middle ground. It may be tricky because of trust issues and that's upto adminstrator of boards how to handle it.
 
Here is my take on this matter:

What I know would happen - India won't travel to Pakistan for Asia cup 2023 and CT 2025. Both these tournaments will be moved out of Pakistan and shifted to the UAE. Pakistan would however come to India to play the world cup.

What my heart says - As a selfish cricket fan, my heart wants India to travel Pakistan. The pitches they serve there and the ODI batting we got, we will be runaway champion. India has always done well in Pakistan bcoz those conditions exactly suit our style of cricket. It will be amazing to see Rohit lifting another Asia Cup but this time in Pakistan. It will be amazing to see Indian flag being waved in NSK and Chak De India being played. It will be awesome to hear our national anthem being played there. These are stuffs made of dream.

What my head says - After the recent blasts, our players should not travel to Pakistan and play in UAE rather. Though cricket wise, playing in UAE dosen't suit us and another Asia cup defeat prior to the world cup is not ideal, but security of players is the main thing.
 
Instead of boycotting WC PCB should ask ICC to put their matches in Pakistan or UAE
 
light said:
You know what never made sense to me, fans from both side will try to bring politics to cricket and then when both side does play, they are glued to the tv, politics out the window. It has always amused me, seeing silly fans do this.

Also, if you ask me, BCCI and PCB has no issue with each other. If they had a chance, they would have hosted each other by now. But when gov gets involved, unfair to blame boards (from both sides).
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I don't understand where you are seeing politics in BCCIs stance. Terrorism is still an issue in Pakistan and every now and then we hear about bomb blast news. The politics and economy of Pakistan is unstable. Considering the hostility between the countries and current situation why would India risk it's players life to travel to Pakistan..This is just sports and not gladiators fight.. Pakistan should first address all their local issues first and then think about hosting major ICC events..
 
chakdeindian said:
I don't understand where you are seeing politics in BCCIs stance. Terrorism is still an issue in Pakistan and every now and then we hear about bomb blast news. The politics and economy of Pakistan is unstable. Considering the hostility between the countries and current situation why would India risk it's players life to travel to Pakistan..This is just sports and not gladiators fight.. Pakistan should first address all their local issues first and then think about hosting major ICC events..
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We all know that India's objections to touring Pakistan are NOT related to security situation - let's stop fooling each other. India were not coming to Pakistan before the bomb explosions.
 
MenInG said:
We all know that India's objections to touring Pakistan are NOT related to security situation - let's stop fooling each other. India were not coming to Pakistan before the bomb explosions.
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There is no one fooling anybody..It's the terrorism and terror activities which had stopped India and rest of the countries to travel Pakistan in the past. It took almost 10 years(or more) for intl cricket to be back in your country. Other countries started traveling after so many negotiations and high security assurances. And in case of India, the risk is more compared to any other country. It was not so long ago your ex PM was shot in public. Would Indian govt or BCCI take risk considering the player worth. if you think terrorism is not the reason, then you are fooling yourselves.
 
its good that pakistan is taking a stance but i dont think that PCB will see any success in this regard.
 
MenInG said:
We all know that India's objections to touring Pakistan are NOT related to security situation - let's stop fooling each other. India were not coming to Pakistan before the bomb explosions.
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From what I can recall, wasn't India the last team to do a full tour before the SL fiasco?
 
U$ofA said:
From what I can recall, wasn't India the last team to do a full tour before the SL fiasco?
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Not sure but that was eons ago.

The latest stance from BCCI has been political and for people to say it's because of the bomb blast in Quetta where they will not play any games is disingenuous.
 
cricketjoshila said:
You can only hurt yourself.
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hurt lol.

Its only a sport, a game of cricket.

ICC shouldnt allow Pak or India to host any ICC event if there is political issues when both teams.

If not , India shouldnt play in Asia cup in Pakistan or any future ICC tournaments and vice versa.

Sure ICC and cricket will lose money , fans, audience etc but hardly the end of the world.
 
KingKhanWC said:
hurt lol.

Its only a sport, a game of cricket.

ICC shouldnt allow Pak or India to host any ICC event if there is political issues when both teams.

If not , India shouldnt play in Asia cup in Pakistan or any future ICC tournaments and vice versa.

Sure ICC and cricket will lose money , fans, audience etc but hardly the end of the world.
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Is ICC ready to lose money?
 
KingKhanWC said:
ICC has little choice.

It will hurt world cricket but India has IPL and Pak will continue to play other nations in every country barring India.
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ICC has a choice of letting India host and letting Pakistan whine but participate anyway. That is the choice they have made. It is certainly possible that they will not let India host, but I highly doubt that. For that to happen, both Pakistan and BD have to become economic superpowers and form an sporting alliance to thwart India. I don't see it happening. BD can't even arrange their T20 league and Pakistan is struggling to fund their basic food imports. So it will take a long time.
 
SportsWarrior said:
ICC has a choice of letting India host and letting Pakistan whine but participate anyway. That is the choice they have made. It is certainly possible that they will not let India host, but I highly doubt that. For that to happen, both Pakistan and BD have to become economic superpowers and form an sporting alliance to thwart India. I don't see it happening. BD can't even arrange their T20 league and Pakistan is struggling to fund their basic food imports. So it will take a long time.
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You dont understand , I believe Pakistan shouldnt even bother debating this or raising an issue. Simply state we will not travel to India for any cricket event/match and India states the same.

It will make a mockery of the world cup, reduce its value , harm Int cricket but nobody will die and both nations will continue to play cricket.

It will also save me watching lame Bollywood style opening ceremony and listening to boring Indian commentators.
 
KingKhanWC said:
You dont understand , I believe Pakistan shouldnt even bother debating this or raising an issue. Simply state we will not travel to India for any cricket event/match and India states the same.

It will make a mockery of the world cup, reduce its value , harm Int cricket but nobody will die and both nations will continue to play cricket.

It will also save me watching lame Bollywood style opening ceremony and listening to boring Indian commentators.
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Pakistan not playing in the World Cup won't make any difference to the World Cup.

While I would love to be smoking the same weed that makes you feel high, Pakistan cricket team is inconsequential in the grander scheme of things.

Its just one World Cup.

What will Pakistan do in the next one?

Obviously play again.

So yeah, that delusion that World Cup without Pakistan will be shambles is just that.

A delusion.

Its unfortunate, I agree.

But the eco and geo political situation is that Pakistan is a nobody in the comity of nations.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Pakistan not playing in the World Cup won't make any difference to the World Cup.

While I would love to be smoking the same weed that makes you feel high, Pakistan cricket team is inconsequential in the grander scheme of things.

Its just one World Cup.

What will Pakistan do in the next one?

Obviously play again.

So yeah, that delusion that World Cup without Pakistan will be shambles is just that.

A delusion.

Its unfortunate, I agree.

But the eco and geo political situation is that Pakistan is a nobody in the comity of nations.
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Not true. The WC revenue will drop (especially ad revenue from Pakistan vs India game) and the WC will be reduced to 3-4 competitive teams. I know you want to pretend that Pakistan holds no cards and India holds all the cards, but that's just not true.
 
ahsan17 said:
Not true. The WC revenue will drop (especially ad revenue from Pakistan vs India game) and the WC will be reduced to 3-4 competitive teams. I know you want to pretend that Pakistan holds no cards and India holds all the cards, but that's just not true.
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The only card Pakistan has is the India Pak game card.

Better for Pakistan to go to WC and forfeit the group game vs India then not go at all.

NOT going AT ALL has NO IMPACT on the World Cup.

Going and refusing to play India in the group Match could.

Thats my opinion.

Otherwise, if people want to pretend that Pakistan dropping out of the World Cup will make ICC suffer a massive revenue loss, they can keep living the dream.

It simply won't happen.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
The only card Pakistan has is the India Pak game card.

Better for Pakistan to go to WC and forfeit the group game vs India then not go at all.

NOT going AT ALL has NO IMPACT on the World Cup.

Going and refusing to play India in the group Match could.

Thats my opinion.

Otherwise, if people want to pretend that Pakistan dropping out of the World Cup will make ICC suffer a massive revenue loss, they can keep living the dream.

It simply won't happen.
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Why would not going to the WC have no impact but not playing India vs Pakistan game have an impact? The impact will be even more severe with a lack of competitive cricket and less overall revenue from the WC.
 
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