Where will Asia Cup 2023 be played?

[KingKhanWC]

Pakistan not playing in the World Cup won't make any difference to the World Cup.

While I would love to be smoking the same weed that makes you feel high, Pakistan cricket team is inconsequential in the grander scheme of things.

Its just one World Cup.

What will Pakistan do in the next one?

Obviously play again.

So yeah, that delusion that World Cup without Pakistan will be shambles is just that.

A delusion.

Its unfortunate, I agree.

But the eco and geo political situation is that Pakistan is a nobody in the comity of nations.

You dont need anything to smoke going by this post.

A major team not travelling to a world cup will make a mockery of the tournament and also the qualifying matches. Of course the tournament will go ahead.

Pakistan being a nobody is your own daft view, as if this was the case no western nations would be touring but they are now.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Why would not going to the WC have no impact but not playing India vs Pakistan game have an impact? The impact will be even more severe with a lack of competitive cricket and less overall revenue from the WC.

Its the major game for ICC to market.

Not having the major game impacts the revenue.

Rest of Pakistan games have zero value for both Pakistan and India.

Infact, if both Pakistan and India end up reaching semi finals, again ICC would be looking for their semi-final or final match up.

Not New Zealand vs Australia semi final.

You know why, right?

So play the World Cup.

Get the ICC share of its due revenue by playing the World Cup.

Don't play the major cash grabber match to hurt ICC and India emotionally.

That is the best case for Pakistan.

The alternate you are suggesting makes sure Pakistan gets no share from ICC revenue and gets even deeper monetary issues while rest of the teams go and get their due cuts.

Which seems better?

 

[Dr_Bassim]

You dont need anything to smoke going by this post.

A major team not travelling to a world cup will make a mockery of the tournament and also the qualifying matches. Of course the tournament will go ahead.

Pakistan being a nobody is your own daft view, as if this was the case no western nations would be touring but they are now.

So you are suggesting that Pakistan doesn't play

1. Based on emotional outbursts and anger against India
2. Loses the revenue cut from ICC because of not playing
3. Loses financially because of this.

All because it will "make the World Cup nothing" in your opinion.

Yeah,I can see why Pakistan should do what you desire.

Thank God, decisions aren't made in your mind, but in the minds of educated people.

On a side note, why do Western teams tour Pakistan? The same reason Western teams tour OTHER countries. Its part of the FTP programme.

They don't BEG to tour Pakistan 5 times a year, because they get so much money out of it.

Just to clear your head, I mean.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So you are suggesting that Pakistan doesn't play

1. Based on emotional outbursts and anger against India
2. Loses the revenue cut from ICC because of not playing
3. Loses financially because of this.

All because it will "make the World Cup nothing" in your opinion.

Yeah,I can see why Pakistan should do what you desire.

Thank God, decisions aren't made in your mind, but in the minds of educated people.

On a side note, why do Western teams tour Pakistan? The same reason Western teams tour OTHER countries. Its part of the FTP programme.

They don't BEG to tour Pakistan 5 times a year, because they get so much money out of it.

Just to clear your head, I mean.

Dr Dr read carefully.

It maybe an alien concept to you but self respect is important for people and nations.

1. Based on principle. If India doesn't want to enter Pakistan, Pak should do the same.

Losing money doesn't mean you sell your soul or maybe you would.

Life will move on, cricket will continue, its the not the end of the world even if you have trouble sleeping over this.

 

[chakdeindian]

Why would not going to the WC have no impact but not playing India vs Pakistan game have an impact? The impact will be even more severe with a lack of competitive cricket and less overall revenue from the WC.

There was a time west Indies were inevitable and no cricket without WI team. Time has changed since then. Even small teams like Ireland , Netherlands, BD and afg have shown competitiveness in the past..So losing one team is not going to impact the game. W.r.t revenue I assure WC will still be a massive hit without Pakistan as it is happening in India. The amount of revenue ICC gonna earn conducting in India is itself a profit and IND vs Pak match is just as bonus and does not going to affect them. If it would affect them the BCCI would be more than happy to compensate and revenue will not be recieved by PCB..If pak needs a revenge, better come India and win World Cup..no more childish bravados..

 

[ahsan17]

There was a time west Indies were inevitable and no cricket without WI team. Time has changed since then. Even small teams like Ireland , Netherlands, BD and afg have shown competitiveness in the past..So losing one team is not going to impact the game. W.r.t revenue I assure WC will still be a massive hit without Pakistan as it is happening in India. The amount of revenue ICC gonna earn conducting in India is itself a profit and IND vs Pak match is just as bonus and does not going to affect them. If it would affect them the BCCI would be more than happy to compensate and revenue will not be recieved by PCB..If pak needs a revenge, better come India and win World Cup..no more childish bravados..

Corporations want more profit over time, not less. India vs Pakistan is easily the most profitable game. I wouldn't be surprised if losing Pakistan games will cause 10% or more drop in overall revenue and an even bigger drop in profits. So that's the card Pakistan has.

Yes, WC can still go on, but dropping revenue and having 1 less competitive team is not a good look. Also don't start with teams that win 1 game against bigger teams each WC. We know they are not going to semi finals and finals.

 

[ahsan17]

There was a time west Indies were inevitable and no cricket without WI team. Time has changed since then. Even small teams like Ireland , Netherlands, BD and afg have shown competitiveness in the past..So losing one team is not going to impact the game. W.r.t revenue I assure WC will still be a massive hit without Pakistan as it is happening in India. The amount of revenue ICC gonna earn conducting in India is itself a profit and IND vs Pak match is just as bonus and does not going to affect them. If it would affect them the BCCI would be more than happy to compensate and revenue will not be recieved by PCB..If pak needs a revenge, better come India and win World Cup..no more childish bravados..

This also goes back to the gaslighting argument I have been making again and again. Oh we will have a competitive WC with Afghanistan, Ireland. BD etc LMAO. Yeah ok, PCB should let you have at it.

 

[SportsWarrior]

You dont understand , I believe Pakistan shouldnt even bother debating this or raising an issue. Simply state we will not travel to India for any cricket event/match and India states the same.

It will make a mockery of the world cup, reduce its value , harm Int cricket but nobody will die and both nations will continue to play cricket.

It will also save me watching lame Bollywood style opening ceremony and listening to boring Indian commentators.

I am pushing for pakistan to do exactly what you are saying. They should grow a spine and boycott India and completely ignore us. We will know the value of Both pakistan and India. IPL had no problems getting rid of Pakistani players. So who knows. We will not know until Pakistanis do what they always threaten to do but never have the will to do. I am rooting for pakistan boycotting world cup

 

[SportsWarrior]

You dont understand , I believe Pakistan shouldnt even bother debating this or raising an issue. Simply state we will not travel to India for any cricket event/match and India states the same.

It will make a mockery of the world cup, reduce its value , harm Int cricket but nobody will die and both nations will continue to play cricket.

It will also save me watching lame Bollywood style opening ceremony and listening to boring Indian commentators.

Well your comment about bollywood style opening ceremony is funny because of all these decades of watching cricket I am yet watch an opening ceremony. Only those who are obsessed with Indian bollywood seems to watch them. I hope you are not one of them. I just use this fantastically magical device called remote and change to some other channel

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am pushing for pakistan to do exactly what you are saying. They should grow a spine and boycott India and completely ignore us. We will know the value of Both pakistan and India. IPL had no problems getting rid of Pakistani players. So who knows. We will not know until Pakistanis do what they always threaten to do but never have the will to do. I am rooting for pakistan boycotting world cup

You only have more value because you have more people than any other on the planet and this is your only major sport you play. You make it sound like India is Switzerland but its a 3rd world nation with masses of poverty. Pakistan or India playing any type of cricket at home , leagues or against each other wont change people lives or reduce their lives to poverty. You keep rooting while watching some Bollywood rock star home league thinking its the pinnacle of sport, its not. lol.

 

[hitthestump]

Why would not going to the WC have no impact but not playing India vs Pakistan game have an impact? The impact will be even more severe with a lack of competitive cricket and less overall revenue from the WC.

Yes i don't agree either. It also makes no sense that we'd be happy to play in the host country but not with the hosts. We would just look like a very confused nation at that point where nobody is quite sure of what exactly we stand for.

 

[SportsWarrior]

You only have more value because you have more people than any other on the planet and this is your only major sport you play. You make it sound like India is Switzerland but its a 3rd world nation with masses of poverty. Pakistan or India playing any type of cricket at home , leagues or against each other wont change people lives or reduce their lives to poverty. You keep rooting while watching some Bollywood rock star home league thinking its the pinnacle of sport, its not. lol.

You have second most populous cricket playing nation and where is the value.

 

[cricketjoshila]

ICC has little choice.

It will hurt world cricket but India has IPL and Pak will continue to play other nations in every country barring India.

ICC has lots of choices. Like choosing to host in the nation that brings 80% of the revenues and ignore the shenanigans of a board.

 

[KingKhanWC]

ICC has lots of choices. Like choosing to host in the nation that brings 80% of the revenues and ignore the shenanigans of a board.

No sane Pakistanis will lose sleep over it. The money hardly gets to the poor living in slums in India or the poor in Pakistan.

The only real issue is the tournament itself will lose interest and viewership.

Its not a big issue really.

 

[Local.Dada]

Pakistan not coming to the worldcup in India will have some impact on the World Cup. Absolutely. Pakistan is a very competitive team especially in these conditions and that would mean less competitive matches in a sport that already has quite a few low standard teams.

That’s a fact.

However Pakistan skipping the World Cup will have a bigger impact on Pakistan’s cricket economy.

If Pakistan doesn’t pay for World Cup tv rights since they won’t play anyways , good luck with tv ratings and sponsorships for all those private channels. If they telecast the World Cup, it will benefit the hosts/ICC for tv rights etc.

World Cup in India means even minnow games will be full so no loss from tourism from Pakistan . Don’t think that was ever a big factor anyways.

Hardcore cricket fans in Pakistan will more or less follow the World Cup regardless and they will be the ones at loss. So my sympathies with them.

Apart from the World Cup match quality taking a bit of a hit there is no other impact of Pakistan not playing. If anything might hurt the popularity of the sport in Pakistan.

PCB should just swallow their false ego as they have an easy way out. Retain hosting rights, play at a neutral venue, travel to India, easy on the wallet too as don’t need to spend on presidential level security etc. Thinking emotionally when the wallet is empty is foolish in my book.

 

[Saj]

BCCI knows they have the other Asian Boards in their pockets and if it came to the crunch they will side with BCCI over PCB.

BCCI has the financial clout to sweet talk the other Boards and they will turn their backs on PCB in the blink of an eye.

That is the harsh reality of Asian Cricket at the moment.

 

[Savak]

BCCI knows they have the other Asian Boards in their pockets and if it came to the crunch they will side with BCCI over PCB.

BCCI has the financial clout to sweet talk the other Boards and they will turn their backs on PCB in the blink of an eye.

That is the harsh reality of Asian Cricket at the moment.

If the PCB concedes to the BCCI now, it will set a dangerous precedent where the other boards will set similar conditions and refuse to play in Pakistan in the future. PCB needs to stand firm, lobby and find a way to make things happen in the interest of Pakistan Cricket

 

[seether1]

honestly, does Pakistan even need to play India? not a lot of benefit in it for Pakistan. Refuse to play them.

 

[ahsan17]

If the PCB concedes to the BCCI now, it will set a dangerous precedent where the other boards will set similar conditions and refuse to play in Pakistan in the future. PCB needs to stand firm, lobby and find a way to make things happen in the interest of Pakistan Cricket

The problem is all these Indian posters predicting PCB will fold and get nothing in return might be right because of the PDM government. If it was IK government with Ramiz then it would be different, but with Najam Sethi and PDM government who have business interests in India, they will probably agree to move the tournament out of Pakistan and still tour India, and basically get nothing. It's a seriously embarrassing government.

 

[cricketjoshila]

No sane Pakistanis will lose sleep over it. The money hardly gets to the poor living in slums in India or the poor in Pakistan.

The only real issue is the tournament itself will lose interest and viewership.

Its not a big issue really.

Poor in India are not a concern here.

IPL has a lot of viewership and it has no pakistani and is banned in Pakistan.

Except Bcci CA and ECB all other boards depend on ICC revenue share to run their cricket. So, losing 80 per cent of the revenue is a big deal.

PCB itself is dependent on ICC for 50 per cent of its revenues.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Corporations want more profit over time, not less. India vs Pakistan is easily the most profitable game. I wouldn't be surprised if losing Pakistan games will cause 10% or more drop in overall revenue and an even bigger drop in profits. So that's the card Pakistan has.

Yes, WC can still go on, but dropping revenue and having 1 less competitive team is not a good look. Also don't start with teams that win 1 game against bigger teams each WC. We know they are not going to semi finals and finals.

Losing India will mean losing 80 per cent of the revenue. So ICC has a very easy Choice to make.

India brings 80 per cent of the revenues. Then there is ECB and CA.

Then comes the rest of the boards. So Pakistan doesn't seem to bring 10 per cent of the revenue.

Even if they do, the choice is simple between choosing 80 per cent or 10 per cent.

PCB will also lose their ICC revenue share.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You only have more value because you have more people than any other on the planet and this is your only major sport you play. You make it sound like India is Switzerland but its a 3rd world nation with masses of poverty. Pakistan or India playing any type of cricket at home , leagues or against each other wont change people lives or reduce their lives to poverty. You keep rooting while watching some Bollywood rock star home league thinking its the pinnacle of sport, its not. lol.

You have 200mn plus people and your government is begging around for money.

Look at the condition of Pakistan before you take shots at India.

 

[ahsan17]

Losing India will mean losing 80 per cent of the revenue. So ICC has a very easy Choice to make.

India brings 80 per cent of the revenues. Then there is ECB and CA.

Then comes the rest of the boards. So Pakistan doesn't seem to bring 10 per cent of the revenue.

Even if they do, the choice is simple between choosing 80 per cent or 10 per cent.

PCB will also lose their ICC revenue share.

No one thinks ICC will choose Pakistan over India. The point is that PCB still has cards to play, which you want to gaslight us into believing don't exist.

 

[chakdeindian]

Corporations want more profit over time, not less. India vs Pakistan is easily the most profitable game. I wouldn't be surprised if losing Pakistan games will cause 10% or more drop in overall revenue and an even bigger drop in profits. So that's the card Pakistan has.

Yes, WC can still go on, but dropping revenue and having 1 less competitive team is not a good look. Also don't start with teams that win 1 game against bigger teams each WC. We know they are not going to semi finals and finals.

Disagree. India vs Pakistan has an edge and that doesn't mean all other matches are duds. The rivalry match has more revenue majorly because of Indian viewers because of its population size. So, it's not Pakistan but India who is generating the revenue. India is not playing with pak except for ICC tournaments that too a match or at Max 3 matches. Still India is the richest board and ICC is not cash deprived. ICCs 90% if the revenue comes from big 3- Ind,aus and Eng. Rest other countries overall contribute 10%. Don't know from where you get these figures like 10% drop in profit. show me with some facts. Indian matches irrespective of any team will have viewers. The loss with Ind vs Pak match is miniscule.It is the PCB who have to worry about lack of revenue from World Cup which is already running in loss and dependant on ICC funds. I would really want to see Pak boycott Worldcup but I know it's not gonna happen.

 

[ahsan17]

Disagree. India vs Pakistan has an edge and that doesn't mean all other matches are duds. The rivalry match has more revenue majorly because of Indian viewers because of its population size. So, it's not Pakistan but India who is generating the revenue. India is not playing with pak except for ICC tournaments that too a match or at Max 3 matches. Still India is the richest board and ICC is not cash deprived. ICCs 90% if the revenue comes from big 3- Ind,aus and Eng. Rest other countries overall contribute 10%. Don't know from where you get these figures like 10% drop in profit. show me with some facts. Indian matches irrespective of any team will have viewers. The loss with Ind vs Pak match is miniscule.It is the PCB who have to worry about lack of revenue from World Cup which is already running in loss and dependant on ICC funds. I would really want to see Pak boycott Worldcup but I know it's not gonna happen.

I am talking about WC revenue, not overall revenue from all boards. Yes most of the revenue from that game comes from India, but if Pakistan doesn't play then that revenue doesn't exist. And no the loss of revenue from that game is not miniscule, it would be the most lucrative games in terms of generating revenue in the entire WC. With the loss of Pakistan vs India game and generally a competitive team not participating in the WC, the overall revenue would easily drop 10%. You guys really love to gaslight on this, lmao @ "miniscule loss" if that game doesn't happen.

 

[Hitman]

I am talking about WC revenue, not overall revenue from all boards. Yes most of the revenue from that game comes from India, but if Pakistan doesn't play then that revenue doesn't exist. And no the loss of revenue from that game is not miniscule, it would be the most lucrative games in terms of generating revenue in the entire WC. With the loss of Pakistan vs India game and generally a competitive team not participating in the WC, the overall revenue would easily drop 10%. You guys really love to gaslight on this, lmao @ "miniscule loss" if that game doesn't happen.

Don't you think there will be chances of the ICC putting sanctions on Pakistan cricket if that happens?

 

[chakdeindian]

I am talking about WC revenue, not overall revenue from all boards. Yes most of the revenue from that game comes from India, but if Pakistan doesn't play then that revenue doesn't exist. And no the loss of revenue from that game is not miniscule, it would be the most lucrative games in terms of generating revenue in the entire WC. With the loss of Pakistan vs India game and generally a competitive team not participating in the WC, the overall revenue would easily drop 10%. You guys really love to gaslight on this, lmao @ "miniscule loss" if that game doesn't happen.

Absurd argument..if revenue does not exist, does it going to hurt Indiia or ICC? No as India has been playing cricket without Pakistan for so long years. They will only lose extra money but not to an extent to put India under the table. PCB? Definitely as it is once in a moment opportunity to earn more bucks.And it will also lose revenue from matches with other teams if it won't play WC leave alone India. PCB is not non profit organisation and it needs money to run. W.r.t competitiveness of pak team in Odis it is no less than any associate teams like SL, Ban, WI..When World Cup T20 can be played with WI which is having more entertaining players or SL who did not qualify last t20, i don't think it's any different if Pakistan don't play. We can consider like it didn't qualify for WC and move on. Don't forget your team lost two consecutive series in home turf. Hence please stop this 10% argument and accept the reality.

 

[chakdeindian]

Please correct my memory..is it not during IK regime Eng, Aus and NZ backed out of touring esp NZ which walked out at the last moment..Can you say any instance in the past where Pakistan had taken such bold decisions and ICC has to oblige. All Ramiz Raja shown in the past was false bravado and drama which was only detrimental to Pakistan..

 

[ahsan17]

Absurd argument..if revenue does not exist, does it going to hurt Indiia or ICC? No as India has been playing cricket without Pakistan for so long years. They will only lose extra money but not to an extent to put India under the table.

It will hurt ICC, that much I have been clear about.

PCB? Definitely as it is once in a moment opportunity to earn more bucks.And it will also lose revenue from matches with other teams if it won't play WC leave alone India. PCB is not non profit organisation and it needs money to run.

Yes it will hurt PCB as well, but PCB can take calculated risks and in this case it makes perfect sense. It's almost guaranteed that India will not tour in 2025 CT and in fact will try to get it moved out of Pakistan, so not sure why PCB should just sit there and do nothing.

W.r.t competitiveness of pak team in Odis it is no less than any associate teams like SL, Ban, WI..When World Cup T20 can be played with WI which is having more entertaining players or SL who did not qualify last t20, i don't think it's any different if Pakistan don't play. We can consider like it didn't qualify for WC and move on. Don't forget your team lost two consecutive series in home turf. Hence please stop this 10% argument and accept the reality.

You pretend whatever you want, Pakistan generally has been a very competitive team in world cups and the India vs SL/BD/WI match doesn't draw anywhere near as much ad revenue as Pakistan vs India. Pakistan consistently makes SFs and finals of WCs. I will stick to the argument that Pakistan not playing will reduce revenue by at least 10% if not a lot more. But what do you think the difference will be on ad revenue if Pakistan doesn't play? 0% I assume?

 

[ahsan17]

Please correct my memory..is it not during IK regime Eng, Aus and NZ backed out of touring esp NZ which walked out at the last moment..Can you say any instance in the past where Pakistan had taken such bold decisions and ICC has to oblige. All Ramiz Raja shown in the past was false bravado and drama which was only detrimental to Pakistan..

The boards sorted that out between themselves and in fact NZC paid a settlement to PCB and played those matches. In fact it was the "false bravado" (no, it was not false) that made sure Australia didn't back out and that NZ and England did tour next time they were supposed to.

 

[ahsan17]

Don't you think there will be chances of the ICC putting sanctions on Pakistan cricket if that happens?

PCB has to be willing to take that risk. It's in ICC interests to also not make cricket even more about the big 3 then it already is. SL is already a minnow and SA is headed that way. Cricket is becoming less popular and Pakistan not being part of it will be another nail in cricket's coffin.

 

[Usman Chadda]

ICC will simply deduct money from pakistan's share for not playing in the ICC tournament.

As per the members participation agreement, If a member refuses to participate in any event then they lose proportionate share of ICC revenue.

What will Pakistan do in retaliation?

Nothing, Pakistan will accept it regardless and move on.

Our government cannot, in good faith, give permission for our cricketers to travel to a country which is particularly hostile to us. Even if India tours Pakistan by some miracle, PCB should still push the same narrative in my opinion.

Pakistan cricketers are not safe in India. It’s a hostile nation and anything can happen.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Don't you think there will be chances of the ICC putting sanctions on Pakistan cricket if that happens?

ICC cannot put sanctions on Pakistan cricket if our government does not give the green signal. That is beyond their jurisdiction. Our issue is not with the ICC or playing the World Cup, our issue will be with playing it in India.

In a country where people are harassed continuously in Pakistan’s name, why on earth should our government let our cricketers go and risk their lives for just a sport?

 

[Shafi]

PCB is a spineless board. Even SL or AFG can dictate our board. Sethi is nothing but a shrewd and will make lots of noise but at the end bow to their masters like he did to big 3. Even SL team has more courage to boycott India than us.

 

[MenInG]

There is no precedence for a country not attending an ICC event so no idea what this entails.

 

[U$ofA]

Nothing, Pakistan will accept it regardless and move on.

Our government cannot, in good faith, give permission for our cricketers to travel to a country which is particularly hostile to us. Even if India tours Pakistan by some miracle, PCB should still push the same narrative in my opinion.

Pakistan cricketers are not safe in India. It’s a hostile nation and anything can happen.

From what posts are saying, I think India feels the same about Pakistan. I am guessing you understand and support that viewpoint given what you have said.

Will the end result be no India in Asia cup and no Pakistan in WC?

 

[MenInG]

Abdul Razzaq on the topic:

"It's good for cricket. And for cricket promotion. India-Pakistan games only happen in ICC tournaments. If Asia Cup has been shifted to Dubai, then it's the best option. It's good for cricket and cricketers.

"It doesn't happen like this. This has been on for years. If the two boards sit across the table and chat, it would be great. Both boards should solve this issue,"

 

[shah9425]

If India doesn't come PCB should ask ICC to put theirs world cup matches in UAE or Pakistan no need to withdraw from WC

 

[Hitman]

ICC cannot put sanctions on Pakistan cricket if our government does not give the green signal. That is beyond their jurisdiction. Our issue is not with the ICC or playing the World Cup, our issue will be with playing it in India.

In a country where people are harassed continuously in Pakistan’s name, why on earth should our government let our cricketers go and risk their lives for just a sport?

Risk their lives for a sport? When has anything bad happened to any team touring India? And what gave you the delusion that people are harassed in Pakistan's name in India?

 

[Usman Chadda]

From what posts are saying, I think India feels the same about Pakistan. I am guessing you understand and support that viewpoint given what you have said.

Will the end result be no India in Asia cup and no Pakistan in WC?

Yes, exactly what I am saying. India is well within their rights to not come, while Pakistan also rightfully shares the same opinion.

Indian cricketers’ lives are not more important than Pakistan cricketers. Simple as that. Also India is an openly hostile nation, where our cricketers could be specifically targeted.

 

[chakdeindian]

Can your board disclose the compensation amount or have they did already? Compensation is just for the loss and not considered a profit. Newz tour cancelled was in the year 2021 whereas the next tour they did is on 2022-23. It's more than an year. In the news it was mentioned they are supposed to play extra matches but the last NZ tour seems more like a normal schedule. If you remember we India had extention of England series for a match that was cancelled due to COVID. Where do you see a victory here. If it would have been India, will NZ dare to abandon a tournament.its a complete mismanagement that lead to delay of international cricket in Pakistan..If it would have been managed well, this sort of thing would never happen on first hand.

 

[chakdeindian]

It will hurt ICC, that much I have been clear about.

And ICC will say it hurts a lot and cry..come on! Cricket is not a one day business. ICC gets lot of amount from various other tournaments played by India including IPL. Since India is hosting WC they are the ones who may get affected and I'm damn sure it won't.

It it will hurt PCB as well, but PCB can take calculated risks and in this case it makes perfect sense. It's almost guaranteed that India will not tour in 2025 CT and in fact will try to get it moved out of Pakistan, so not sure why PCB should just sit there and do nothing..

What is a calculated risk when they no there is no point in negotiation and will end up in loss anyway. It's well known that India will not travel Pakistan in any near future and won't agree to move WC out of India. It's more of a suicide than risk.

It pretend whatever you want, Pakistan generally has been a very competitive team in world cups and the India vs SL/BD/WI match doesn't draw anywhere near as much ad revenue as Pakistan vs India. Pakistan consistently makes SFs and finals of WCs. I will stick to the argument that Pakistan not playing will reduce revenue by at least 10% if not a lot more. But what do you think the difference will be on ad revenue if Pakistan doesn't play? 0% I assume?

I'm not pretending. The last 2 odi WC, Pakistan did not qualify for the semis.its currently ranked sixth in Odi. If you leave out SL,Vs,Wi, we still have Auz,Eng,SA and NZ which are revenue earner in the past. Ind vs Pak gathers more attention just because of political scenario between the countries and not for the competitiveness. Our competitors are mainly Aus, Eng,NZ at present. Coming again to the last point the great 10% loss, don't you see it's hypothetical- it's like aus in group A and India in group B and either one of them don't qualify for semi and hence they don't play each other in WC, so that mean there is a loss in revenue for a match that did not get scheduled at all. For putting a percentage there should be a yardstick. What's is the yardstick. Unless the tournament is over, you won't know.

 

[Ozeirk]

With the amount of worldcups played these days Pakistan can afford to not participate in one.
Indian media is not going to treat the players right either. We all know what happened last time when Afridis team visited.

Pakistan should set a new precedence of playing India in India if they reciprocate the same way

 

[Rajdeep]

With the amount of worldcups played these days Pakistan can afford to not participate in one.
Indian media is not going to treat the players right either. We all know what happened last time when Afridis team visited.

Pakistan should set a new precedence of playing India in India if they reciprocate the same way

The point being, last two Asia Cups were organized in neutral venues and both BCCI & SLCB had no issues. PCB is unnecessarily creating trouble when precedence of hosting Asia Cups in neutral venue is already been set.

Withdrawing from world cup for an Asia Cup tournament as some sort of counter revenge is silly and childish.

 

[Local.Dada]

With the amount of worldcups played these days Pakistan can afford to not participate in one.
Indian media is not going to treat the players right either. We all know what happened last time when Afridis team visited.

Pakistan should set a new precedence of playing India in India if they reciprocate the same way

Lol what. Afridi himself said he gets more love in India and enjoys playing the game in India more than in Pakistan. It became a controversy in Pakistan too if I remember. Obviously he is making a diplomatic statements however I would assume the facilities both practice and recreational:hotel room, food etc provided in India for even a random bilateral series would probably be of much higher quality than any event happening in Pakistan including the PSL or for the matter of fact most cricket playing countries. Didn’t see any Pakistani ever complaint about how they were treated when they visited India.

That holds true for Indian cricketers who travelled to Pakistan as well. They are high praise for the common people.

Was that every a doubt though? Don’t think the issue ever was with regular Pakistan people but one must be blind not to realize the security, instability and Political chaos taking place in Pakistan right now.

Indian cricketers are international brands worth millions of dollars. No point risking them for a tournament like Asia cup in such an environment .

Pakistan board if they think rationally than emotionally they can work out a win-win for everyone. Unless you are thinking emotionally if they push BCCI or ICC too hard, it won’t end up well. Surpringly every official in Pakistan seems to know that but they want to give that biscuit to the emotional awaam about boycotting World Cup and somehow “hurting” Indian economy.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Forget about the politics. After the Peshawar blast and with over a 100 people dead I'm not sure it's safe to play cricket there again.

 

[daytrader]

Reports have however claimed that while Pakistan will retain Asia Cup hosting rights, the tournament won't be staged in the country. Furious at the call, former PCB chairman Khaled Mahmood, opined:

“The world doesn’t run on ideology and principles; else ICC should show their power and tell India ‘who are you not to go and play Asia Cup in Pakistan?’ But India has great influence on ICC," he said.

Khaled however feels that it would be in Pakistan's best interest to accept the decision of an alternate venue as a tournament without India would mean a huge loss in revenue.

"If We host Asia Cup without India and without their players, corporate sponsorship will all stop. The big money will stop. And it won’t be a glamorous tournament without them. It would be a weak tournament. We will also lose money.”

 

[Savak]

According to media reports, Jay Shah asked Najam Sethi given the terrible state of the Pakistani economy and the political instability in Pakistan right now where there is no idea when the general elections, provincial elections will be held in the country, can Pakistan even afford the expenses associated with holding the tournament in Pakistan?

 

[Major]

According to media reports, Jay Shah asked Najam Sethi given the terrible state of the Pakistani economy and the political instability in Pakistan right now where there is no idea when the general elections, provincial elections will be held in the country, can Pakistan even afford the expenses associated with holding the tournament in Pakistan?

thats non of Jay shahs concern. Thats our internal matter.

We got the hosting rights, and we can host the tournament in the country.

Just shows for India, Asia Cup is as important as an ICC tournament that just for their own team they are willing to move it anywhere

 

[Major]

The point being, last two Asia Cups were organized in neutral venues and both BCCI & SLCB had no issues. PCB is unnecessarily creating trouble when precedence of hosting Asia Cups in neutral venue is already been set.

Withdrawing from world cup for an Asia Cup tournament as some sort of counter revenge is silly and childish.

how is PCB creating issue? When PCB has the rights to the ASIA CUP, its them to decide where they want to host it. If you country has issues with travelling to other countries, thats your issue and go deal with them. Dont expect that other countries to cater you should move the tournament altogether.

Asia Cup was being hosted by BCB because it made the tournament more competative as Bangladesh had started to perform at home ground. SLCB didnt host it due to the economic crises they faced..

No whats childish is having issues with sending your team to Pakistan, while expecting Pakistan to visit your country. WHats childish is your post saying, ohh istara karlo ustara karlo.

No. ACC should not had given us hosting rights than. We got them, now deal with it.

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

how is PCB creating issue? When PCB has the rights to the ASIA CUP, its them to decide where they want to host it. If you country has issues with travelling to other countries, thats your issue and go deal with them. Dont expect that other countries to cater you should move the tournament altogether.

Asia Cup was being hosted by BCB because it made the tournament more competative as Bangladesh had started to perform at home ground. SLCB didnt host it due to the economic crises they faced..

No whats childish is having issues with sending your team to Pakistan, while expecting Pakistan to visit your country. WHats childish is your post saying, ohh istara karlo ustara karlo.

No. ACC should not had given us hosting rights than. We got them, now deal with it.

You are turning into another Javed Miandad who is not running PCB. If Indian team has to travel, then BCCI would take everything into consideration. Thats their right. And its clear that a decision has been made, only the announcement of a new venue will be done in March. And if PCB thinks that it wont participate in WC, they can give it a try. Its ICC's tournament so they will deal with it.. BCCI has nothing to lose..They havent lost on anything since not playing Pakistan or having IPL without Pakistani players. Either PAK would participate in WC or NAJAM SETHI would do a disaster again that he did in his previous regime by dragging BCCI to ICC courts.

 

[chakdeindian]

thats non of Jay shahs concern. Thats our internal matter.

We got the hosting rights, and we can host the tournament in the country.

Just shows for India, Asia Cup is as important as an ICC tournament that just for their own team they are willing to move it anywhere

FYKi Jay Shah is not only BCCI secretary, he is also ACC president.He has every right to ask about safety and security state of Pakistan not only in behalf of India but also on behalf of all the teams..

 

[chakdeindian]

how is PCB creating issue? When PCB has the rights to the ASIA CUP, its them to decide where they want to host it. If you country has issues with travelling to other countries, thats your issue and go deal with them. Dont expect that other countries to cater you should move the tournament altogether.

Asia Cup was being hosted by BCB because it made the tournament more competative as Bangladesh had started to perform at home ground. SLCB didnt host it due to the economic crises they faced..

No whats childish is having issues with sending your team to Pakistan, while expecting Pakistan to visit your country. WHats childish is your post saying, ohh istara karlo ustara karlo.

No. ACC should not had given us hosting rights than. We got them, now deal with it.

Just a small correction PCB doesn't have rights to Asia Cup, but rights to host the Asia Cup..In other words PCB is tournament manager and they cannot force any country to play in their place.The ACC board has the final say..If host is hostile and not safe and if there substantial facts to support, then PCB has to oblige to ACC decision and conduct somewhere else. it's the same with ICC World Cup where India will be the host and ICC to decide.

 

[Major]

Just a small correction PCB doesn't have rights to Asia Cup, but rights to host the Asia Cup..In other words PCB is tournament manager and they cannot force any country to play in their place.The ACC board has the final say..If host is hostile and not safe and if there substantial facts to support, then PCB has to oblige to ACC decision and conduct somewhere else. it's the same with ICC World Cup where India will be the host and ICC to decide.

)

Plz provide document of such regulations.

If you cannot, than plz dont argue.

PCB is host, they decide where to host the tournament.

Wannabe BCCI lawyers )

 

[Major]

FYKi Jay Shah is not only BCCI secretary, he is also ACC president.He has every right to ask about safety and security state of Pakistan not only in behalf of India but also on behalf of all the teams..

security is not ACC or BCCI's matter. Its not even PCB's matter.

Security is the matter of the interior minister.

 

[Local.Dada]

security is not ACC or BCCI's matter. Its not even PCB's matter.

Security is the matter of the interior minister.

Lol it’s going to interior minister issue is what is the biggest concern.

Private security, state police is usually involved in such events but if it is going to central interior minister, army establishment to provide presidential level security to teams then it is a sensitive issue.

Pakistan is currently having economic and political instability and in such a situation there has to be a lot more guarantees especially since it involves India.

Jay Shah is rightly concerned which means he is doing his job thankfully

 

[chakdeindian]

security is not ACC or BCCI's matter. Its not even PCB's matter.

Security is the matter of the interior minister.

Lolll..as per your argument any board should not worry about their own players security and leave it to your interior minister(btw what is Interior minister? As far I know we have defence minister and external affairs). Will that apply if American president decides to travel to Pakistan and leave his complete security arrangements to your 'Interior' minister and do not ask any questions.

 

[chakdeindian]

)

Plz provide document of such regulations.

If you cannot, than plz dont argue.

PCB is host, they decide where to host the tournament.

Wannabe BCCI lawyers )

What does host mean in sports?
a master of ceremonies, moderator, or interviewer for a television or radio program. a person, place, company, or the like, that provides services, resources, etc., as for a convention or sporting event: Our city would like to serve as host for the next Winter Olympics.

Its a service which you had obliged through bidding and not ultimatum. You show me a document where it says Host is a solo decider and other boards or organizing committee cannot intervene..If that's the case Pakistan can definitely go ahead suing BCCI,ACC and ICC.

 

[Major]

Lol it’s going to interior minister issue is what is the biggest concern.

Private security, state police is usually involved in such events but if it is going to central interior minister, army establishment to provide presidential level security to teams then it is a sensitive issue.

Pakistan is currently having economic and political instability and in such a situation there has to be a lot more guarantees especially since it involves India.

Jay Shah is rightly concerned which means he is doing his job thankfully

what are you on about? Every country's internal security is looked after by the interior minister.

Private security and state police fall under interior. Where did i said army?

What gurantees? Pakistan is hosting a PSL, it has hosted mnay series during economic downtime.

 

[Major]

Lolll..as per your argument any board should not worry about their own players security and leave it to your interior minister(btw what is Interior minister? As far I know we have defence minister and external affairs). Will that apply if American president decides to travel to Pakistan and leave his complete security arrangements to your 'Interior' minister and do not ask any questions.

well you dont know what an interior minister is and here you are arguing about security. I am not Indian, but im pretty sure you have an interior minister called the home minister maybe.


) bro plz read about interior minister and home minister. Internal security matters go to them. Yes, whoever comes and goes this ministry concern loooks after the internal security

 

[Major]

What does host mean in sports?
a master of ceremonies, moderator, or interviewer for a television or radio program. a person, place, company, or the like, that provides services, resources, etc., as for a convention or sporting event: Our city would like to serve as host for the next Winter Olympics.

Its a service which you had obliged through bidding and not ultimatum. You show me a document where it says Host is a solo decider and other boards or organizing committee cannot intervene..If that's the case Pakistan can definitely go ahead suing BCCI,ACC and ICC.

plz bring a documentaiton by ACC that you stated, or else dont try to to pretend to be a lawyer .

Host decides where to host the games. You make big self claims but have no document to show on regulations

 

[light]

I don't understand where you are seeing politics in BCCIs stance. Terrorism is still an issue in Pakistan and every now and then we hear about bomb blast news. The politics and economy of Pakistan is unstable. Considering the hostility between the countries and current situation why would India risk it's players life to travel to Pakistan..This is just sports and not gladiators fight.. Pakistan should first address all their local issues first and then think about hosting major ICC events..

Not saying that I disagree with you, wtv you said is correct. However, I am just pointing out the fact about the fans and not politics/or situations regarding Pakistan's safety.

Most fans are stupid or illiterate about a country's situation/politics where they, unfortunately, live at. They just like to chest pump and go with the crowd. If you pull a common stranger on the side and start grilling them about politics about their own country, half of them have no idea what's going on. Am I wrong to assume that before the match, all the politics in the world will be discussed between these two countries, but when they do play, that gets shoved aside, and the only thing a fan wants is for their team to win?

 

[MenInG]

Sethi was asked about outcomes of ACC meeting during a press conference here on Tuesday.

"My lips are sealed,"

"We are going to meet again on the sidelines of ICC meeting in March. There was no resolution in last meeting but we will take up this matter in the upcoming meeting. Beyond that, I can't say anything."

 

[MenInG]

Shahid Afridi speaking on TV:

“If anyone is unable to stand on his own feet and then the decision to make such strong calls is not easy,”

“They have to look at plenty of things. India agar aankhe dikha raha hain (If India is showing you their eyes), or taking such strong stance, then they have made themselves that strong, hence they are being able to talk like this, otherwise they wouldn’t have the courage. At the end it’s making yourself strong and then take decisions.”

“I have no idea, will India visit Pakistan for the Asia Cup? Will we boycott the ODI World Cup in India? But we need to take a stand at some point or the other. In this case ICC’s role becomes crucial, they should come forward, but let me say it even ICC won’t be able to do anything in front of BCCI,”

 

[MenInG]

In a possible solution to the Asia Cup logjam, Pakistan may remain the host and India could be offered to play its matches in the UAE where some games will be held, according to sources in the Board (PCB). In such a scenario, the UAE will also host the final if India qualifies for it, according to a Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) source. An emergent meeting of the Asian Cricket Council (ACC) was held in Bahrain on February 4 at the behest of PCB chief Najam Sethi after the continental body released its itinerary and Pakistan wasn't named the hosts of the tournament.

Addressing the media on Thursday, Sethi said more discussions on the hosting of Asia Cup ODI tournament will be held next month on the sidelines of an ICC meeting as the matter "remained unresolved".

"What can I say about what happened in the Asian Cricket Council board meeting. There was no resolution," Sethi told reporters when asked if Pakistan will host the tournament in September.

However, reliable sources aware of the developments, said the most likely solution to the problem appears to be that Pakistan will remain host of the Asia Cup but some matches will also be held in the UAE where India may play all its games, including the final if necessary (if India qualifies for the final).

"Sethi made it clear at the ACC meeting that PCB wants to host the event and some of the matches at home," the source said.

The Asia Cup was initially allotted to Pakistan and was scheduled in September this year but BCCI Secretary Jay Shah, who is also the ACC chairman, had announced last October that India will not travel to Pakistan.

PTI had reported earlier this month that UAE with three venues -- Dubai, Abu Dhabi and Sharjah -- are the favourites to host the tournament but a decision has been withheld for the time being.

"A shift of venue has been postponed till March. But be rest assured that with India not going to Pakistan, the tournament will have to be shifted," a senior BCCI official privy to the development had told PTI.

NDTV

 

[Rana]

India would honestly demolish us in Pakistan

This doesn’t work in their favour

Not like they care btw

 

[shamaan]

Play the Asia Cup in Pakistan even if India don't come.

 

[MenInG]

A long-term media rights deal between the Asian Cricket Council (ACC) and the broadcaster could be in jeopardy if a solution is not found to end the problem of the logjam regarding the hosting rights of the Asia Cup 2023. If the high-voltage clash between India and Pakistan doesn't take place then the broadcaster could incur heavy losses.

The Asia Cup was scheduled in September this year but Jay Shah, who is also the ACC chairman, announced in October 2022 that India will not travel to Pakistan. In the first formal meeting between BCCI secretary Shah and PCB chairman Najam Sethi held in Bahrain on February 4, the discussion regarding the venue of Asia Cup 2023 took place but the final decision was withheld.

According to a source, under the long-term agreement between the ACC and the broadcaster, Pakistan and India should mandatorily play each other at least twice, or thrice, in the regional multi-team event.

"It is not possible to have the Asia Cup without Pakistan and India matches. This is the understanding on which the agreement is based," the source said.

"Without Pakistan and India matches, the broadcasting agreement goes awry," he warned.

The source added that during the last ACC executive board meeting, the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chief, Najam Sethi, had made it clear that Pakistan wants to host the tournament, and they were willing to give all security guarantees to the participating teams, including India.

Sources aware of the developments said the most likely solution to the problem appears to be that Pakistan will remain the host of the Asia Cup but some matches will also be held in the UAE where India may play all its games, including the final if necessary.

"Sethi has not said that the PCB could consider being hosts and split the matches between venues in Pakistan and UAE to allow India to play in UAE," the source said.

"This is not an option right now for Pakistan unless something changes at the next ACC board meeting on the sidelines of the ICC meeting in March," the source added.

In the worst-case scenario, if India does not travel to Pakistan, the PCB could consider the option of not playing in the Asia Cup or not traveling to India for the ODI World Cup later this year.

A PCB official said there is a force de majeure clause in the Asia Cup participating nations agreement, which allows for the shifting of the tournament, but that is dependent on the host country.

"In 2018, India moved the Asia Cup to the UAE because of elections in their country (and) not because Pakistan said it wouldn't go to India for the event. So what happened in 2018 does not apply in the present scenario," the source said.

https://www.indiatvnews.com/sports/...vs-pak-clash-doesn-t-happen-2023-02-18-848378

 

[MenInG]

Where will the 2023 Asia Cup happen? That is the question that is raging in the Asian cricket circles. The Asia Cup was initially allotted to Pakistan and was scheduled in September this year but BCCI Secretary Jay Shah, who is also the Asian Cricket Council (ACC) chairman, had announced last October that India will not travel to Pakistan. After that announcement, the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) said in a statement that If India don't travel for Asia Cup, Pakistan may not travel for the 2023 ODI World Cup.

Since then, there have been meeting but no clear solution has been reached. India spin great Harbhajan Singh has given his opinion on the issue.

"I think the BCCI is right. We shouldn't be sending our team to Pakistan. Even recently, some firing happened next to Karachi stadium. You don't want to send your team to a place where anything can happen at any time. Any place which can be a security issue for players shouldn't be considered." Harbhajan told Indian Express.

NDTV

 

[Savak]

According to media reports, Pakistan will have no choice but to shift the tournament to the UAE. Many factors

- The BCCI and Indian Govt is still refusing to allow the Indian team to visit Pakistan.

- The PCB plans to have India play its games in the UAE whereas the rest of the teams play in Pakistan have also suffered a set back because not only is India rejecting this plan, but the other Asian member countries are also rejecting this plan and requesting PCB to shift the tournament to the UAE and keep the scheduling simple because they can't be travelling excessively between Pakistan and the UAE.

- The PCB is in no position to boycott the 2023 ODI WC in India because it desperately needs the $30 million it will get from participating in the tournament.

- The economic and political situation in Pakistan is also not favorable towards hosting the Asia Cup in Pakistan at the moment.

 

[cricketjoshila]

According to media reports, Pakistan will have no choice but to shift the tournament to the UAE. Many factors

- The BCCI and Indian Govt is still refusing to allow the Indian team to visit Pakistan.

- The PCB plans to have India play its games in the UAE whereas the rest of the teams play in Pakistan have also suffered a set back because not only is India rejecting this plan, but the other Asian member countries are also rejecting this plan and requesting PCB to shift the tournament to the UAE and keep the scheduling simple because they can't be travelling excessively between Pakistan and the UAE.

- The PCB is in no position to boycott the 2023 ODI WC in India because it desperately needs the $30 million it will get from participating in the tournament.

- The economic and political situation in Pakistan is also not favorable towards hosting the Asia Cup in Pakistan at the moment.

Is there an article on this?

 

[Slim]

I have always maintained that we should boycott the Asia Cup if they dont let us host it and leave the ACC. Let India play with the likes of SRL and Bangladesh.

We on the other hand should not boycott an ICC event, its not BCCI's prerogative. We should play this smartly.

 

[Savak]

Is there an article on this?

Nope, just Pakistani sports reporters who have quoted the PCB officials behind the scenes

 

[MenInG]

Nope, just Pakistani sports reporters who have quoted the PCB officials behind the scenes

Basically leaks to gauge public reaction.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Basically leaks to gauge public reaction.

What's your opinion on the political situation? Conducive for holding a multilateral tournament?

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

I have always maintained that we should boycott the Asia Cup if they dont let us host it and leave the ACC. Let India play with the likes of SRL and Bangladesh.

We on the other hand should not boycott an ICC event, its not BCCI's prerogative. We should play this smartly.

PCB can't. It is no position to boycott. It would be detrimental to PCB only.

 

[MenInG]

The Pakistan Cricket Board will stick with its stance of not travelling to India for the World Cup if the Board of Cricket Control in India doesn’t send its team to Pakistan for the Asia Cup during the forthcoming meetings of the International Cricket Council and the Asian Cricket Council.

A three-member delegation of the PCB led by interim management committee chairman Najam Sethi will travel to Dubai for the said meetings on March 20 and 21 respectively with BCCI secretary Jay Shah, who is the president of the ACC, having stated that the Indian team would not travel to Pakistan fir the Asia Cup as it wasn’t being permitted by the Indian government.

Last month’s ACC meetings in Bahrain ended with the PCB reiterating their stance with clashes between the arch-rivals generating huge revenue for both the ICC and the ACC. Reports suggest that the ICC and ACC may decide to hold Indo-Pak clashes at the neutral venue of United Arab Emirates but clarity on that matter will only come after this month’s meetings.

Published in Dawn, March 8th, 2023

 

[Hitman]

Don't know what will PCB gain by boycotting the World Cup.

 

[Slim]

PCB can't. It is no position to boycott. It would be detrimental to PCB only.

Wrong. Theres no Asia Cup without Pakistan. Go play your Nidhas 2.0

 

[cricketjoshila]

Wrong. Theres no Asia Cup without Pakistan. Go play your Nidhas 2.0

There was a Asia cup without Pakistan.

And there can be another.