Where will Asia Cup 2023 be played?

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

What India is currently doing can be said of a few other teams in the past. The exact scenario that you are describing. There was also a time when India toured but few other nations did not. Blatantly refused for decades.

How is BCCI doing anything different than what say CA did for decades?

Those few other nations played against Pakistan at neutral venues. Aus played their series against Pakistan in UAE and England whereas BCCI compeletely say no to bilaterals against Pakistan. That's the difference.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I don't know who told you that BCCI has agreed to PCBs demands but this is what indian media have to say quoting BCCI sources.


As far as Pakistan playing its Asia Cup games in Pakistan is concerned, the budget for the tournament is passed by the Asian Cricket Council. If ACC says that it's not a commercially viable proposition to hold Asia Cup in two countries, how can Pakistan play its games at home. ACC, for all you know, might not pass the budget," a board source said.


https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/no-...-world-cup-games-in-bangladesh-report-3903985

Seems like just speculation Nothing concrete in what these sources have said.

 

[zarak]

What India is currently doing can be said of a few other teams in the past. The exact scenario that you are describing. There was also a time when India toured but few other nations did not. Blatantly refused for decades.

How is BCCI doing anything different than what say CA did for decades?

CA was a security issue. India is a political one, citing respect for Jawans. But that respect does not matter during ICC events or on neutral grounds. Thats the difference.

 

[emranabbas]

I've just seen a video of vikrant gupta saying Sri Lanka has refused to travel to different countries to play India

Is that true

 

[emranabbas]

Also I've just heard pakistan has refused to play worldcup in India and their matches will be played in Bangladesh.

 

[thelandofthebravepeople]

India will not come to play Asia cup in Pakistan.

Pakistan should show some self respect and refuse to play world cup in India. It will cost big time $$$$.

India is not gonna come and play Champions Trophy either.

Better take a firm stance rather than getting humiliated repeatedly.

 

[Kroll]

They should just scrap the tournament for good, causes too much hassle.

 

[emranabbas]

Best to scrap it

Pakistan should host tri series with Bangladesh & Sri Lanka instead

 

[Slim]

Pakistan should exit ACC if they force their hand. I keep on saying it. These indians will put the CT 2025 in jeopardy as well if we dont take a stand, they are that toxic.

 

[ahsan17]

I remember so many folks here confidently saying Asia Cup will not be held in Pakistan and Pakistan will go to India for WC. Now look where we are. I hope those posters have some self respect and show up in this thread.

 

[ravisurya]

I remember so many folks here confidently saying Asia Cup will not be held in Pakistan and Pakistan will go to India for WC. Now look where we are. I hope those posters have some self respect and show up in this thread.

Where are we exactly?

 

[Savak]

Najam Sethi is as diplomatic an individual the BCCI can find. He is trying to find a win win situation for everyone. He respects the fact that BCCI cannot come to India as they don't have govt approval. But Pakistan has successfully hosted Bangladesh, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, England, Australia, NZ, South Africa, West Indies in Pakistan since 2015 and not to mention successful PSL tournaments. There is no excuse for Pakistan to not be able to host the Asia Cup in Pakistan given that Pakistan is suppossed to host the Champions Trophy in 2025.

Sethi has made a sensible offer to BCCI that they play their games outside Pakistan wheras the rest of the Asia teams will tour Pakistan. However if the BCCI is still going to behave in a condescending, arrogant manner where they still refuse to cooperate with the PCB totally disrespecting the fact how much pressure Sethi is under in Pakistan and just push him into the corner, then the PCB will naturally use the we are pulling out of the Asia Cup card and will not come to India for the 2023 ODI WC either.

 

[Savak]

Lets be real, without Indo Pak contests, the Asia Cup and the ICC tournament will suffer big losses, the share of all the other ICC members excluding India and Pakistan will suffer. Are they prepared to accept this?

 

[MenInG]

A source from Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has dismissed the media reports stating that Pakistan could play its 2023 World Cup matches in Bangladesh.

According to details, India had refused to travel to Pakistan for the upcoming 2023 Asia Cup. Asia Cup was facing potential boycott threats from Pakistan, which has now forced India to consider a "hybrid model" for the tournament.

Under this proposed model, other teams would play their Asia Cup matches in Pakistan, while the Indian team would play their matches in another country. Now, according to media reports, Pakistan is also considering the possibility of playing their World Cup matches at a neutral location.

However, the source from BCCI further told the Press Trust of India (PTI) that these are just ‘pressure tactics’ from PCB and there is a possibility that the entire Asia Cup might be shifted from Pakistan to either UAE or Qatar.

"We understand that this is a kind of pressure tactic applied by PCB because of the Asia Cup issue. But let me tell you, ultimately, Asia Cup will also be played in UAE or Qatar and probably Pakistan will also have to play its matches in one of these countries," BCCI source said.

"As far as Pakistan playing its Asia Cup games in Pakistan is concerned, the budget for the tournament is passed by the Asian Cricket Council. If ACC says that it's not a commercially viable proposition to hold Asia Cup in two countries, how can Pakistan play its games at home. ACC, for all you know, might not pass the budget," the BCCI source added.

CricketPakistan

 

[Rajdeep]

I remember so many folks here confidently saying Asia Cup will not be held in Pakistan and Pakistan will go to India for WC. Now look where we are. I hope those posters have some self respect and show up in this thread.

That is exactly what is going to happen in the end though. At the moment everything is just talk but come the time of the tournament this is exactly going to happen i.e Asia Cup in UAE and World Cup in India. Feel free to bump this thread if it dosen't.

Split venue Asia Cup is not feasible due to hectic travel schedule. And if the second venue is England, not only there will be long travels but also different time zones. Neither broadcasters nor ACC would agree to it. So in the end the entire tournament will be shifted to a neutral venue (99% it will be in UAE) and PCB will get all the profits being the host board.

For world cup, Pakistan will definitely go to India as its an ICC event. PCB don't want to jeopardize 2025 Champions Trophy hosting rights by being in the bad book of ICC.

 

[Saj]

I remember so many folks here confidently saying Asia Cup will not be held in Pakistan and Pakistan will go to India for WC. Now look where we are. I hope those posters have some self respect and show up in this thread.

At the moment that is looking like exactly what will happen.

 

[Savak]

That is exactly what is going to happen in the end though. At the moment everything is just talk but come the time of the tournament this is exactly going to happen i.e Asia Cup in UAE and World Cup in India. Feel free to bump this thread if it dosen't.

Split venue Asia Cup is not feasible due to hectic travel schedule. And if the second venue is England, not only there will be long travels but also different time zones. Neither broadcasters nor ACC would agree to it. So in the end the entire tournament will be shifted to a neutral venue (99% it will be in UAE) and PCB will get all the profits being the host board.

For world cup, Pakistan will definitely go to India as its an ICC event. PCB don't want to jeopardize 2025 Champions Trophy hosting rights by being in the bad book of ICC.

Najam Sethi is not going to agree to BCCI's demands knowing full well the political price he will pay at home. Get ready for PCB Boycotting refusing the Asia Cup and the WC in India. India might have big money in the bank right now but will the rest of the world be willing to suffer from the big reduction and losses in the ICC events due to no Indo Pak contests?

 

[Osama Shafeeqe]

How much you want to bet that BCCI will refuse to tour Pakistan in 2025 Champions Trophy? BCCI and Indians are using the excuse that this isn't a ICC tournament and they have a right to refuse but 100% they will then turn around and say that we didn't tour Pakistan in 2023, why should we tour Pakistan in 2025.

Pakistan need to host the Asia Cup to ensure that they will host 2025 Champion Trophy. It is only the stubbornness of BCCI that is causing this issue with the backing of the Indian population that frankly doesn't want the PCB to succeed in anyway.

 

[Kroll]

How much you want to bet that BCCI will refuse to tour Pakistan in 2025 Champions Trophy? BCCI and Indians are using the excuse that this isn't a ICC tournament and they have a right to refuse but 100% they will then turn around and say that we didn't tour Pakistan in 2023, why should we tour Pakistan in 2025.

Pakistan need to host the Asia Cup to ensure that they will host 2025 Champion Trophy. It is only the stubbornness of BCCI that is causing this issue with the backing of the Indian population that frankly doesn't want the PCB to succeed in anyway.

If the other nations turn up in 2025, then who cares if India don't?

 

[U$ofA]

If the other nations turn up in 2025, then who cares if India don't?

In the event that India don't show up, what consequence will BCCI face from the ICC? Also, in a related domino effect, what does it do to the billions in broadcasting deal that ICC signed specific to India?

 

[Kroll]

In the event that India don't show up, what consequence will BCCI face from the ICC? Also, in a related domino effect, what does it do to the billions in broadcasting deal that ICC signed specific to India?

I don't about this deal, but if it's specific to India, then what does it matter to us? The ICC can hardly blame Pakistan if India refuse to come even when they are handing out the red carpet.

 

[ahsan17]

That is exactly what is going to happen in the end though. At the moment everything is just talk but come the time of the tournament this is exactly going to happen i.e Asia Cup in UAE and World Cup in India. Feel free to bump this thread if it dosen't.

Split venue Asia Cup is not feasible due to hectic travel schedule. And if the second venue is England, not only there will be long travels but also different time zones. Neither broadcasters nor ACC would agree to it. So in the end the entire tournament will be shifted to a neutral venue (99% it will be in UAE) and PCB will get all the profits being the host board.

For world cup, Pakistan will definitely go to India as its an ICC event. PCB don't want to jeopardize 2025 Champions Trophy hosting rights by being in the bad book of ICC.

At the moment that is looking like exactly what will happen.

What are you guys talking about here? They have already agreed to host non-India games in Pakistan, and now there's serious discussion around hosting Pakistan's games outside India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Najam Sethi is not going to agree to BCCI's demands knowing full well the political price he will pay at home. Get ready for PCB Boycotting refusing the Asia Cup and the WC in India. India might have big money in the bank right now but will the rest of the world be willing to suffer from the big reduction and losses in the ICC events due to no Indo Pak contests?

Is the Broadcaster paying separately for any Indo-pak match?

Is PCB willing to take the losses from not getting the ICC revenue share?

How many events will pcb boycott? India will host 3 more events after 2023?

And this boycott will mean pakistan losing the hosting rights of 2025 CT.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What are you guys talking about here? They have already agreed to host non-India games in Pakistan, and now there's serious discussion around hosting Pakistan's games outside India.

Who said this? BCCI has categorically refused that such an arrangement exists.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I don't about this deal, but if it's specific to India, then what does it matter to us? The ICC can hardly blame Pakistan if India refuse to come even when they are handing out the red carpet.

All thats fine, but who will pay the ICC if India doesn't play?

At the end of the day, all these events are also a money making event for the ICC.

 

[ahsan17]

Who said this? BCCI has categorically refused that such an arrangement exists.

Which part? First or second?

 

[U$ofA]

I don't about this deal, but if it's specific to India, then what does it matter to us? The ICC can hardly blame Pakistan if India refuse to come even when they are handing out the red carpet.

Yes, there is a specific India broadcasting deal for $3 billion. In the event of India not participating part of that money will not get into ICC coffers. If money does not get in, where will the ICC go to distribute the hand outs that it does after each ICC tournament?

Will the ICC be content with less $$$? Will the boards be content with less free $$$?

It does matter. We all live in the real world.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Which part? First or second?

Both.

 

[ahsan17]

Both.

BCCI doesn't control where Asia Cup gets played. They can only control India's games. Rest of ACC seems to have agreed, so BCCI agreeing or not is irrelevant.

As for WC, yes the deal hasn't been finalized yet, but now Cricinfo is reporting it. That just means it has more than a small chance of happening.

 

[cricketjoshila]

BCCI doesn't control where Asia Cup gets played. They can only control India's games. Rest of ACC seems to have agreed, so BCCI agreeing or not is irrelevant.

As for WC, yes the deal hasn't been finalized yet, but now Cricinfo is reporting it. That just means it has more than a small chance of happening.

Who said rest of ACC has agreed? As per bcci the ACC hasnt passed the budget for holding the Asia cup in two separate countries'and may not pass it. So there is no certainity.

The Pakistani correspondent of Cricinfo reported it. Press trust of India has already reported that ICC Bcci and the Bangladesh board are unaware of any such development.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes, there is a specific India broadcasting deal for $3 billion. In the event of India not participating part of that money will not get into ICC coffers. If money does not get in, where will the ICC go to distribute the hand outs that it does after each ICC tournament?

Will the ICC be content with less $$$? Will the boards be content with less free $$$?

It does matter. We all live in the real world.

All boards except Bcci CA and ECB require ICC funds to run. PCB's 50 percent budget is dependent on ICC funds.

So without the 3bn usd coming from India, its going to be difficult.

 

[ahsan17]

Who said rest of ACC has agreed? As per bcci the ACC hasnt passed the budget for holding the Asia cup in two separate countries'and may not pass it. So there is no certainity.

The Pakistani correspondent of Cricinfo reported it. Press trust of India has already reported that ICC Bcci and the Bangladesh board are unaware of any such development.

It's already been reported that it has been agreed upon. Not sure which rock you are living under.

Not sure why Cricinfo would report it without verifying. Pakistani correspondent or not is irrelevant.

 

[Slim]

Who said rest of ACC has agreed? As per bcci the ACC hasnt passed the budget for holding the Asia cup in two separate countries'and may not pass it. So there is no certainity.

The Pakistani correspondent of Cricinfo reported it. Press trust of India has already reported that ICC Bcci and the Bangladesh board are unaware of any such development.

It's already been reported that it has been agreed upon. Not sure which rock you are living under.

Not sure why Cricinfo would report it without verifying. Pakistani correspondent or not is irrelevant.

PTI - the so called Press Trust of India is heavily bjp politicised and has an awful reputation due to regularly spreading fake news. Worst thing to use as a defence joshilay, but not the first time you are deceitful to make a point on an online forum.

 

[sweep_shot]

Since Asia Cup is not an important tournament, I think Pakistan should pull out if it is moved out of Pakistan.

It should be held in Pakistan because they were chosen as hosts.

 

[Kroll]

Yes, there is a specific India broadcasting deal for $3 billion. In the event of India not participating part of that money will not get into ICC coffers. If money does not get in, where will the ICC go to distribute the hand outs that it does after each ICC tournament?

Will the ICC be content with less $$$? Will the boards be content with less free $$$?

It does matter. We all live in the real world.

The funds would just need to be distributed from the other big TV companies. As you say, the biggest chunk would go to India anyway if they participated since its specific to them.

Of course its real world, but ICC can't be held hostage like this otherwise they're opening themselves up for litigation in court.

 

[U$ofA]

The funds would just need to be distributed from the other big TV companies. As you say, the biggest chunk would go to India anyway if they participated since its specific to them.

Of course its real world, but ICC can't be held hostage like this otherwise they're opening themselves up for litigation in court.

The ICC have shown absolutely no indication of taking any kind of action. Neither have they shown any inclination of changing the status quo. They seem to be just fine being "held hostage". As long as the $$$ keep flowing.

 

[U$ofA]

All boards except Bcci CA and ECB require ICC funds to run. PCB's 50 percent budget is dependent on ICC funds.

So without the 3bn usd coming from India, its going to be difficult.

It is very easy to say the BCCI can take a hike, $$$ don't matter, when you have no responsibilities. When you are in the hot seat and running things, you think different.

 

[Badboy_1]

Everything is game of money

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan cannot force the Asia Cup issue without a full boycott.

 

[msb314]

Pakistan cannot force the Asia Cup issue without a full boycott.

What is the latest update from an “official” source?

I think BCCI brought up the hybrid model idea themselves so why does this issue continue to linger on?

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's already been reported that it has been agreed upon. Not sure which rock you are living under.

Not sure why Cricinfo would report it without verifying. Pakistani correspondent or not is irrelevant.

Nothing has been agreed upon as per bcci. And Jay Shah is the ACC president.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What is the latest update from an “official” source?

I think BCCI brought up the hybrid model idea themselves so why does this issue continue to linger on?

Every Indian media and a number of sports journalists have reported that no such hybrid model has been agreed upon.

 

[Saj]

SLC and ACB they are just waiting for BCCI to tell them what to do.

There is no way they will go against BCCI.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The funds would just need to be distributed from the other big TV companies. As you say, the biggest chunk would go to India anyway if they participated since its specific to them.

Of course its real world, but ICC can't be held hostage like this otherwise they're opening themselves up for litigation in court.

Which other big tv companies are paying? And how much are they paying?

ICC will receive 3bn usd for the tv rights it sold for the India territory. Thats tthe major chunk of its revenue. So who will pay that if India is absent?

Which court and who will you sue?

PCB has no place to sue BCCI.

ICC cannot be forced to hold a commercially unviable tournament.

 

[cricketjoshila]

PTI - the so called Press Trust of India is heavily bjp politicised and has an awful reputation due to regularly spreading fake news. Worst thing to use as a defence joshilay, but not the first time you are deceitful to make a point on an online forum.

You cannot be further from the truth. PTI is hardly BJP.

But let's assume it is, the BCCI and the ACC are headed by a BJP leader's son. So they would know. Isn't it?

 

[nextover666666]

You cannot be further from the truth. PTI is hardly BJP.

But let's assume it is, the BCCI and the ACC are headed by a BJP leader's son. So they would know. Isn't it?

Honestly your futhur from the truth, The poster whom you were replying to is spot on.

 

[MenInG]

PCB clarifies factual position on Asia and World Cups

Lahore, 31 March 2023:

The Pakistan Cricket Board has today clarified the position taken by its Chairman Management Committee Najam Sethi regarding the holding of Asia Cup 2023 at a “neutral” venue instead of in the host country Pakistan.

Referring to the media talk in Rawalpindi/Islamabad on Thursday, Mr Najam Sethi said he had briefed the media on the hybrid model he had presented to the ACC officials for the ACC Asia Cup to end the impasse that had been created following the BCCI’s decision to not send its team to Pakistan.

“This proposal - to play India’s matches at a neutral venue and the rest in Pakistan - is under discussions within the ACC.

“At no stage during Thursday’s media interaction, did I give any reference to the ICC or made any remarks on the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup 2023, which is scheduled in October. This matter has not been mooted or discussed at any ICC forum so far.

“In this background, the PCB is disappointed that a leading English language newspaper has misquoted, misinterpreted and misrepresented Mr Sethi’s comments and gave the impression that PCB’s hybrid model was presented and discussed at the ICC, which is factually incorrect. At this stage, the PCB is only in discussions with the ACC over the hosting of the ACC Asia Cup and no discussions regarding the World Cup have taken place with the ICC.

“This is not to say that the hybrid model will not be advocated at the proper ICC forum at the right time.”

 

[Kroll]

PCB clarifies factual position on Asia and World Cups

Lahore, 31 March 2023:

The Pakistan Cricket Board has today clarified the position taken by its Chairman Management Committee Najam Sethi regarding the holding of Asia Cup 2023 at a “neutral” venue instead of in the host country Pakistan.

Referring to the media talk in Rawalpindi/Islamabad on Thursday, Mr Najam Sethi said he had briefed the media on the hybrid model he had presented to the ACC officials for the ACC Asia Cup to end the impasse that had been created following the BCCI’s decision to not send its team to Pakistan.

“This proposal - to play India’s matches at a neutral venue and the rest in Pakistan - is under discussions within the ACC.

“At no stage during Thursday’s media interaction, did I give any reference to the ICC or made any remarks on the ICC Men’s Cricket World Cup 2023, which is scheduled in October. This matter has not been mooted or discussed at any ICC forum so far.

“In this background, the PCB is disappointed that a leading English language newspaper has misquoted, misinterpreted and misrepresented Mr Sethi’s comments and gave the impression that PCB’s hybrid model was presented and discussed at the ICC, which is factually incorrect. At this stage, the PCB is only in discussions with the ACC over the hosting of the ACC Asia Cup and no discussions regarding the World Cup have taken place with the ICC.

“This is not to say that the hybrid model will not be advocated at the proper ICC forum at the right time.”

Oh for crying out loud! Just scrap the thing.

 

[cricketjoshila]

PTI - the so called Press Trust of India is heavily bjp politicised and has an awful reputation due to regularly spreading fake news. Worst thing to use as a defence joshilay, but not the first time you are deceitful to make a point on an online forum.

Honestly your futhur from the truth, The poster whom you were replying to is spot on.

Guess bjp has taken over PCB now.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's already been reported that it has been agreed upon. Not sure which rock you are living under.

Not sure why Cricinfo would report it without verifying. Pakistani correspondent or not is irrelevant.

PCB is lying now. Right?

 

[Kroll]

Which other big tv companies are paying? And how much are they paying?

ICC will receive 3bn usd for the tv rights it sold for the India territory. Thats tthe major chunk of its revenue. So who will pay that if India is absent?

Which court and who will you sue?

PCB has no place to sue BCCI.

ICC cannot be forced to hold a commercially unviable tournament.

Yeah man, Sky and Fox Sports etc, if it went ahead without India. The respective participating countries sports broadcasters would still show the comp, no?

Or are you meaning that if India was absent, the whole tournament would get scrapped?

 

[Osama Shafeeqe]

PCB is lying now. Right?

It seems the media (Cricinfo, CricBuzz, SportsTak) all jumped the gun with this and it seems to be all Wasim Khan's and Indian/Pak journalist's fault. Wasim Khan gave a personal opinion as what may happen with Pakistan's matches for the world cup and specifically stated, "He Thinks" Pakistan will play in Bangladesh for the world cup.

This was taken by the media as PCB asking ICC to play their games in Bangladesh but everyone, including the PCB now, confirmed that no request was made.

This all comes down to incredibly bad journalism and making assumptions without actual confirmation. This has now exasperated the animosity between PCB and BCCI. Journalist need to be held accountable for this and stop making sweeping statements that are anti-PCB or anti-BCCI.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yeah man, Sky and Fox Sports etc, if it went ahead without India. The respective participating countries sports broadcasters would still show the comp, no?

Or are you meaning that if India was absent, the whole tournament would get scrapped?

SKY Fox were not bidders for Indian territory rights. So they are not going to pay 3bn usd to ICC for the Indian territory.. They are only going to pay for the territory they bid for.

That 3bn is the major chunk of the entire ICC rights which are being sold territory wise.

 

[Kroll]

SKY Fox were not bidders for Indian territory rights. So they are not going to pay 3bn usd to ICC for the Indian territory.. They are only going to pay for the territory they bid for.

That 3bn is the major chunk of the entire ICC rights which are being sold territory wise.

Obviously, they're not going to pay 3bn but only for their own regions. So what you're alluding to is that if in the absence of India, ICC has no choice but to abandon the competition?

 

[U$ofA]

Obviously, they're not going to pay 3bn but only for their own regions. So what you're alluding to is that if in the absence of India, ICC has no choice but to abandon the competition?

I would say, in the absence of India, the revenue will barely cover the costs of organizing the tournament. What then happens to all the $$$ handouts to the boards? Not to mention filling ICC's own coffers.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Obviously, they're not going to pay 3bn but only for their own regions. So what you're alluding to is that if in the absence of India, ICC has no choice but to abandon the competition?

Because the majority of the money will come from Star, who bid for the india rights. Estimated to be 80 per cent. So ICC revenues will be down by 70-80 per cent. This will make the tournament unviable.

 

[JibranAnsari]

There is too much chest thumping on media by unrelated people and this doesnt go well with the big egos who make decisions.Stop creating win loss situation and find a way to play the tournament in peace.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It seems the media (Cricinfo, CricBuzz, SportsTak) all jumped the gun with this and it seems to be all Wasim Khan's and Indian/Pak journalist's fault. Wasim Khan gave a personal opinion as what may happen with Pakistan's matches for the world cup and specifically stated, "He Thinks" Pakistan will play in Bangladesh for the world cup.

This was taken by the media as PCB asking ICC to play their games in Bangladesh but everyone, including the PCB now, confirmed that no request was made.

This all comes down to incredibly bad journalism and making assumptions without actual confirmation. This has now exasperated the animosity between PCB and BCCI. Journalist need to be held accountable for this and stop making sweeping statements that are anti-PCB or anti-BCCI.

Indian media were doubting it from day one.

Vikrant Gupta and others were tweeting that this doesn't look to be true.

Next day PTI and cricbuzz posted the denial by BCCI.

There are a few murmurs about the whole thing but won't post here but seems the news was being planted intentionally.

 

[the Great Khan]

There is too much chest thumping on media by unrelated people and this doesnt go well with the big egos who make decisions.Stop creating win loss situation and find a way to play the tournament in peace.

The Indians don't want peace. They want money and power and they want Pakistan to be there for their benefit I.e. the big match at a WC. Otherwise they don't care. They would burn down the whole cricket world if it would benefit them.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The Indians don't want peace. They want money and power and they want Pakistan to be there for their benefit I.e. the big match at a WC. Otherwise they don't care. They would burn down the whole cricket world if it would benefit them.

India doesn't need Pakistan for any benefit.

 

[Kroll]

Because the majority of the money will come from Star, who bid for the india rights. Estimated to be 80 per cent. So ICC revenues will be down by 70-80 per cent. This will make the tournament unviable.

But surely, its still better to have 20-30% than nothing. I'm not saying that it would go ahead or be definitely cancelled. But I can't still see why it can't go ahead without India.

Yeah ICC would take a hit, but they would would need to promote the game for the greater good of the game. Cricket is just not just India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

But surely, its still better to have 20-30% than nothing. I'm not saying that it would go ahead or be definitely cancelled. But I can't still see why it can't go ahead without India.

Yeah ICC would take a hit, but they would would need to promote the game for the greater good of the game. Cricket is just not just India.

So ICC may play without India and take 70-80 percent hit.

ICC may play without Pakistan and take a lot lesser hit. No?

 

[Savak]

According to reporters, the ACC informed the PCB that in order to implement the hybrid model where India plays its games in nuetral venues whereas all the other teams play in Pakistan and to finance the broadcast, traveling and logistics costs, PCB will have to bear the cost and they will take out $3 million from PCB's share.

Najam Sethi has accepted this saying the amount is not material enough and the PCB wants to host the Asia Cup in Pakistan keeping in mind they will have to host the Champions Trophy in 2025.

 

[Kroll]

So ICC may play without India and take 70-80 percent hit.

ICC may play without Pakistan and take a lot lesser hit. No?

If the broadcasting hasn't been finalised yet, the likes of Sky Sports etc may pay more or the ICC may try to extract more money. How much are the rest going to pay?

But Pakistan isn't the one refusing to play (Champions Trophy), no?

 

[Kianig89]

Scrap the Asia Cup period.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If the broadcasting hasn't been finalised yet, the likes of Sky Sports etc may pay more or the ICC may try to extract more money. How much are the rest going to pay?

But Pakistan isn't the one refusing to play (Champions Trophy), no?

The estimate has been on the basis of what ICC is getting now and previously. If sky or anyone else is going to finance the loss ICC is going nto make in absence of India, then so be it. Or alternatively PCB can offer to compensate the ICC losses.

As i said, each country will make its own decisions. We don't know who will refuse and who will come.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

The last 2 Asia Cups have been in UAE, not sure what the big deal is if this one is in UAE as well. in fact they can just make it a rule that all Asia Cups must be held there.

 

[U$ofA]

The last 2 Asia Cups have been in UAE, not sure what the big deal is if this one is in UAE as well. in fact they can just make it a rule that all Asia Cups must be held there.

Best solution. Let's implement this and move on.

 

[aqeelPK]

The last 2 Asia Cups have been in UAE, not sure what the big deal is if this one is in UAE as well. in fact they can just make it a rule that all Asia Cups must be held there.

What about the ICC events to be held in Pakistan & India?

 

[msb314]

India doesn't need Pakistan for any benefit.

Are you sure about that? Seems like a lot of money was made during the last India v Pakistan clash in 2022 WorldT20..

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

What about the ICC events to be held in Pakistan & India?

For ICC events matches should be played in whatever country is hosting it. So Pakistan should play there matches in India for World Cup.

The Champions Trophy I personally think should be abolished, however the next one is scheduled to be in Pakistan. So India should just boycott it or be forced to play in Pakistan.

 

[adi_62941]

Pakistan should play Asia Cup at neutral venue and takes all revenue. And should go to india for WC.
If pakistan manages to organize CT in pakistan that will be the biggest acheivement for Pakistan in last 10-20 years.

 

[ahsan17]

Pakistan should play Asia Cup at neutral venue and takes all revenue. And should go to india for WC.
If pakistan manages to organize CT in pakistan that will be the biggest acheivement for Pakistan in last 10-20 years.

Yes. While we are it, Pakistan should also give up nukes, give Kashmir/GB to India, make Balochistan and KP into their own sovereign states and whatnot. Did I miss anything else from the wishlist?

 

[MenInG]

Yes. While we are it, Pakistan should also give up nukes, give Kashmir/GB to India, make Balochistan and KP into their own sovereign states and whatnot. Did I miss anything else from the wishlist?

I think we are taking this far too seriously.

In fact we are walking into the BCCI (aka GOI) trap.

Say we don't care, lets play cricket and move on. Make it less of a discussion and give less chance for India to connect the game with their political issues (And give them importance)

 

[cricketjoshila]

Are you sure about that? Seems like a lot of money was made during the last India v Pakistan clash in 2022 WorldT20..

BCCI will make 6.2bn USD in next 5 years from IPL tv rights alone.

BCCI'S international matches tender will be out soon and is likely to double from the existing 900mn plus.

Add the other sponsorships and bcci will make

8 to 8.5bn usd in next 5 years.

On the other hand PCB gets 12mn USD per year from PSL tv rights. Their international tv rights deal is 16mn usd per year (correct me if I am wrong).

So if there was money to be made from cricket in Pakistan, PCB would have made it.

Most of the money (around 80 per cent) that ICC makes is from the Indian market.

 

[nextover666666]

BCCI will make 6.2bn USD in next 5 years from IPL tv rights alone.

BCCI'S international matches tender will be out soon and is likely to double from the existing 900mn plus.

Add the other sponsorships and bcci will make

8 to 8.5bn usd in next 5 years.

On the other hand PCB gets 12mn USD per year from PSL tv rights. Their international tv rights deal is 16mn usd per year (correct me if I am wrong).

So if there was money to be made from cricket in Pakistan, PCB would have made it.

Most of the money (around 80 per cent) that ICC makes is from the Indian market.

Show us proff of these figures you claim

 

[cricketjoshila]

Show us proff of these figures you claim

You don't even need to google. Search on PP threads.

But still i will humour you

IPL rights: $6bn plus

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-61793888.amp

BCCI tv rights for international cricket sold in 2018. Up for renewal this year. $944mn

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...ghts-for-usd-944-million-1142530?platform=amp

PCB rights for PSL 24 mn or 12mn a year


https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...ports-for-usd-24-million-1294219?platform=amp

PCB tv rights for international cricket

PKR 4350786786 roughly 16mn

Want more proof?

 

[cricketjoshila]

You don't even need to google. Search on PP threads.

But still i will humour you

IPL rights: $6bn plus

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-61793888.amp

BCCI tv rights for international cricket sold in 2018. Up for renewal this year. $944mn

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...ghts-for-usd-944-million-1142530?platform=amp

PCB rights for PSL 24 mn or 12mn a year


https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...ports-for-usd-24-million-1294219?platform=amp

PCB tv rights for international cricket

PKR 4350786786 roughly 16mn

Want more proof?

https://www.pcb.com.pk/press-releas...adcast-agreement-with-ary-ptv-consortium.html

Thats the link for PCB international matches deal. Looks like it's PKR 4350786786 for 2 years and not per year.

 

[nextover666666]

You don't even need to google. Search on PP threads.

But still i will humour you

IPL rights: $6bn plus

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-61793888.amp

BCCI tv rights for international cricket sold in 2018. Up for renewal this year. $944mn

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...ghts-for-usd-944-million-1142530?platform=amp

PCB rights for PSL 24 mn or 12mn a year


https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...ports-for-usd-24-million-1294219?platform=amp

PCB tv rights for international cricket

PKR 4350786786 roughly 16mn

Want more proof?

The writers are Indian cant trust their source sorry

 

[cricketjoshila]

The writers are Indian cant trust their source sorry

Lol what?

These are published figures by the respective boards. Not made out of thin air.

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