Which Asian side will be the first to win a Test Series vs Australia in Australia

[BigBoy123]

No Asian team haa ever won a test series vs Aus in Aus
So which team will be the first to win a Test Series in Aus ...
Next time asian team tours aus will be Pak in Dec 2016
Resent tours of asian teams to Aus
Pak vs Aus 2009-10(3-0)
Aus vs Ind 2011-12(4-0) :kami
Aus vs Sl 2012-13(3-0)
Aus vs Ind 2014-15 (2-0)

 

[Stallion__]

Unlikely to happen in near future.
I will put my money on Asian teams winning first series against South Africa in South Africa rather than against Aus in Aus.

 

[MRSN]

The Asian teams had a chance when Australian team was going through transition phase but now I don't think as Asian teams are going through transition phase itself.

 

[Chrish]

Unlikely to happen in near future.
I will put my money on Asian teams winning first series against South Africa in South Africa rather than against Aus in Aus.

SA is a completely different beast in test format. Other than OZ, can't see anyone else capable of doing since England is going through transition phase..

 

[BigBoy123]

Hmm looks unlikely.. If any team will beat them it will be Pakistan

 

[BigBoy123]

Unlikely to happen in near future.
I will put my money on Asian teams winning first series against South Africa in South Africa rather than against Aus in Aus.

Sa is tougher then aus...

 

[Chrish]

Hmm looks unlikely.. If any team will beat them it will be Pakistan

On what basis??

 

[BigBoy123]

On what basis??

Once we find decent batsman..
And we will not be smashed like u were in The test matches here at Uae

 

[Chrish]

Once we find decent batsman..
And we will not be smashed like u were in The test matches here at Uae

http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-pakistan-2013/engine/match/567363.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-pakistan-2013/engine/match/567364.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-pakistan-2013/engine/match/567365.html

 

[Junaids]

Obviously Pakistan.

India has proved that batting alone is not enough. Not enough in 03-04 when their batting was wonderful and Warne and McGrath were absent. Not enough in 13-14 on flat, dead tracks.

Pakistan will always have the best Asian quick bowlers at Test level. The issue is when they will have a good enough batting line-up.

Their 1999-2000 team was good enough in every department....but came up against the greatest Australian team of all.

 

[BigBoy123]

Obviously Pakistan.

India has proved that batting alone is not enough. Not enough in 03-04 when their batting was wonderful and Warne and McGrath were absent. Not enough in 13-14 on flat, dead tracks.

Pakistan will always have the best Asian quick bowlers at Test level. The issue is when they will have a good enough batting line-up.

Their 1999-2000 team was good enough in every department....but came up against the greatest Australian team of all.

Indo-Pak United XI will do the trick

 

[Enforcer]

Obviously Pakistan.

India has proved that batting alone is not enough. Not enough in 03-04 when their batting was wonderful and Warne and McGrath were absent. Not enough in 13-14 on flat, dead tracks.

Pakistan will always have the best Asian quick bowlers at Test level. The issue is when they will have a good enough batting line-up.

Their 1999-2000 team was good enough in every department....but came up against the greatest Australian team of all.

Unfortunately When India was at its peak, Australia too was at its peak. And even Australia was down, India was down too. The only

time India had chance when it became world no.1 team in 2010. Only if India had played Australia during that time in Australia, they

could have beaten them.

 

[BigBoy123]

Obviously Pakistan.

India has proved that batting alone is not enough. Not enough in 03-04 when their batting was wonderful and Warne and McGrath were absent. Not enough in 13-14 on flat, dead tracks.

Pakistan will always have the best Asian quick bowlers at Test level. The issue is when they will have a good enough batting line-up.

Their 1999-2000 team was good enough in every department....but came up against the greatest Australian team of all.

Vijay
Pujara
VK
Rahane
Misbah
Rohit
Ms
Ash
Wahab
Junaid
Amir/irfan

 

[BigBoy123]

Unfortunately When India was at its peak, Australia too was at its peak. And even Australia was down, India was down too. The only

time India had chance when it became world no.1 team in 2010. Only if India had played Australia during that time in Australia, they

could have beaten them.

No it would have been drawn at best... U don't have the bowling to dismiss Ozs..but ur batting is wow [emoji144]

 

[shah_1]

Pakistan in 2016-2017 tour, and will be our greatest achievement ever.

 

[green_wave]

We beat them in England . We will break the winning streak of Aussies soon

 

[Enforcer]

No it would have been drawn at best... U don't have the bowling to dismiss Ozs..but ur batting is wow [emoji144]

Nope In 2010 we drew the series against SouthAfrica in SouthAfrica. And that southAfrican team was much-much better than the Australian team in 2010-11. Let not forget the 2010-11 Australian team got smashed by England 3-1 in their home!

It was one of the worst Australian team ever. And Back in those days zaheer use to be a force to reckon with. Sree-santh too was doing pretty well then.

 

[SamNJ]

Obviously Pakistan.

India has proved that batting alone is not enough. Not enough in 03-04 when their batting was wonderful and Warne and McGrath were absent. Not enough in 13-14 on flat, dead tracks.

Pakistan will always have the best Asian quick bowlers at Test level. The issue is when they will have a good enough batting line-up.

Their 1999-2000 team was good enough in every department....but came up against the greatest Australian team of all.

2003-04 India were seriously close though. Needed just 4 more Aus wickets at the end of day 5 last test with series 1-1. Had their keeper held his chances (missed stumping and a catch afaik) they would have created history.

 

[Buffet]

With some 2 tests series, it can be done by any team. A lot less likely to happen with proper series.

 

[trogger]

From an aussie pov i think india have looked a long way ahead of SL and Pakistan when touring over here so you would make them the fav's.

 

[aslaisnomasla]

From an aussie pov i think india have looked a long way ahead of SL and Pakistan when touring over here so you would make them the fav's.

you guys will never learn ...doesn't matter how many white wash comes your way but India will always be ahead of Pakistan and srilanka

 

[Buffet]

you guys will never learn ...doesn't matter how many white wash comes your way but India will always be ahead of Pakistan and srilanka

He may be saying due to Pakistan and SL inability to even draw games in Aus. In the last 20 years, Pakistan has lost 11 out of 12 tests & SL has lost 9 out of 10 in Aus.

Earlier I said that any team can win if 2 tests series are played but I think I was jumping the gun here. Even with one odd win , you still need to draw other game to win series. I think Indians may have a better chance to win 2 test series if they can win one odd game. No SC team looks like winning a proper test series though.

 

[Syed1]

Pak seems like the only team that can take 20 wickets in a match. Too bad our batsmen are absolutely woeful otherwise we stood a chance..

 

[Anchorman]

Pakistan are most likely to get Australia out for under 250.

Pakistan are also most likely to get bundled out by Australia under 150.

 

[aslaisnomasla]

He may be saying due to Pakistan and SL inability to even draw games in Aus. In the last 20 years, Pakistan has lost 11 out of 12 tests & SL has lost 9 out of 10 in Aus.

Earlier I said that any team can win if 2 tests series are played but I think I was jumping the gun here. Even with one odd win , you still need to draw other game to win series. I think Indians may have a better chance to win 2 test series if they can win one odd game. No SC team looks like winning a proper test series though.

bro I hear you but lets just not look at small details such as "we drew these many tests" to make ourselves happy, not doubt india has a potential but lets just wait and see if they do win a series, till then we are all the same no matter how hard we try to portray ourselves better than each other.

 

[Buffet]

bro I hear you but lets just not look at small details such as "we drew these many tests"

Unless you can win 2-3 tests one after another , you have to draw some games to win series in Aus. Ability to draw game in Aus is not meaningless or small detail when talking about winning test series in Aus.

We won the last test series in Aus by winning one and drawing other tests. I think you are wrongly assuming that Trogger is an Indian fan and hyping Indian team here. He is an Aussie fan.

 

[aslaisnomasla]

I m not Judging anyone here, I am just going with what I am reading.

 

[trogger]

Well these sorts of crystal ball type questions have only two ways to be answered, one is people just saying my team will win first because well it's my team and the second is making your educated guess based on the only real data you have and that is the past results and based on that the logical answer is india as they been the most competitive of the asian teams in australia.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It will be better if aussie fans answer this question. No one knows better than them that which team actually gave them tough competition at home.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

bro I hear you but lets just not look at small details such as "we drew these many tests" to make ourselves happy, not doubt india has a potential but lets just wait and see if they do win a series, till then we are all the same no matter how hard we try to portray ourselves better than each other.

Drawing a game in australia or south africa is not a small thing. Ask any indian fan whether they will accept a 4-0 whitewash or 2-0 in a 4 tests series.

 

[SamNJ]

He may be saying due to Pakistan and SL inability to even draw games in Aus. In the last 20 years, Pakistan has lost 11 out of 12 tests & SL has lost 9 out of 10 in Aus.

Earlier I said that any team can win if 2 tests series are played but I think I was jumping the gun here. Even with one odd win , you still need to draw other game to win series. I think Indians may have a better chance to win 2 test series if they can win one odd game. No SC team looks like winning a proper test series though.

Good point.
To win a game you need to take 20 wickets but to win the series you need to draw games and for that you need batsmen who can bat 250 overs a game.

 

[Pantani]

In my time as an observer of Australian cricket, only India have posed a serious threat among Asian tourists. They've won two tests in the last fifteen years in Australia (which is the concerned period, for me), which is two more than either Pakistan or Bangladesh.

 

[Pantani]

Or Sri Lanka.

 

[trogger]

Has to be remembered that our team are ultra aggressive and hate playing for draws especially at home, look at what SA have done to us on past tours they simply kept coming at us and grinding us down with their batting resilience and eventually we cracked.

 

[ForeverIndian]

2003-04 India were seriously close though. Needed just 4 more Aus wickets at the end of day 5 last test with series 1-1. Had their keeper held his chances (missed stumping and a catch afaik) they would have created history.

We were also close to winning series in 2007-8 . But then Bucknor happened.

 

[ForeverIndian]

In my time as an observer of Australian cricket, only India have posed a serious threat among Asian tourists. They've won two tests in the last fifteen years in Australia (which is the concerned period, for me), which is two more than either Pakistan or Bangladesh.

Also Sri lanka.

 

[trogger]

SL have been very disappointing in australia, outside of that hobart test in 07 when sangakkara played a fantastic innings they really haven't been competitive.

 

[Pete Rose]

Pakistan

 

[rooster]

I think SL will be the first. Not because they are superior to Ind or Pak but they usually play just 2 tests and sometimes 3.

All they need was a lucky collapse from the Aussies once or even twice.

IIRC SL were the only team to beat Aussies in Aus in a bilateral series. But it's just a three match series.

 

[rooster]

Something similar can happen in tests though highly unlikely with a new team.

 

[rooster]

Potential wise, I think india can do it if they bring the same pool of bowlers for a couple of tours. They can learn a few about the conditions and surprise Aussies third time around.

 

[SamNJ]

Potential wise, I think india can do it if they bring the same pool of bowlers for a couple of tours. They can learn a few about the conditions and surprise Aussies third time around.

I disagree with this.
Ishant Sharma toured Australia third times in the recent test series. Looked far from effective.

 

[CricketCartoons]

When it happens, it will be India. Only India can look eye to eye to Australia. Even when India loses, they don't lose their swag. And that tells me that one day India will defeat Australia on their soil.

 

[SamNJ]

^ In fact he looked better in his first tour in 2007 than his second or third tour.

 

[rooster]

I disagree with this.
Ishant Sharma toured Australia third times in the recent test series. Looked far from effective.

Their bowling unit looks decent but very inexperienced. As a group if they can string together some away tours they can surprise Aussies.

Who do you think can do it then?

 

[#GreenRoars]

next 4 years, no chance of beating.

 

[Abhilash93]

you guys will never learn ...doesn't matter how many white wash comes your way but India will always be ahead of Pakistan and srilanka

Welcome to Pakpassion [MENTION=138859]aslaisnomasla[/MENTION].

BTW, Trogger is Australian, not Indian.

 

[SamNJ]

Their bowling unit looks decent but very inexperienced. As a group if they can string together some away tours they can surprise Aussies.

Who do you think can do it then?

No I only disagreed with the point that after gaining experience in 2 tours you'll do good on 3rd tour. Case in point Ishant. Experience helps but it can go either way.

 

[rooster]

No I only disagreed with the point that after gaining experience in 2 tours you'll do good on 3rd tour. Case in point Ishant. Experience helps but it can go either way.

Not everyone can be Ishant. Shami looks like he has some brain.

 

[hussain.r97]

I don't see it happening in the near future, but if I had to pick one team, it would be Pakistan. It's simply down to the fact that we have the bowlers to restrict Australia, and take all 20 wickets. It really depends on how good our batting lineup is doing during the period we tour Australia.

 

[junaid.ahmed]

Vijay
Pujara
VK
Rahane
Misbah
Rohit
Ms
Ash
Wahab
Junaid
Amir/irfan

younis would be better choice for rahane

 

[rooster]

I don't see it happening in the near future, but if I had to pick one team, it would be Pakistan. It's simply down to the fact that we have the bowlers to restrict Australia, and take all 20 wickets. It really depends on how good our batting lineup is doing during the period we tour Australia.

Pakistan is yet to find a decent batting unit that performs away from SC in the last 2 decades.

 

[Abdullah]

Shame that we will not play there this December.
If we could play them on the tracks india just played them on that would be great.

For once we would have a middle and lower order which for my money is rock solid- especially when there is no swing

1 Shehzad
2 Azhar
3 Haris
4 Younis
5 Misbah
6 Asad
7 Sarfaraz
8 Amir
9 Wahab

Our spinner would also be better then there one whoever it may be

It is a shame really as Misbah and maybe YK is unlikely to be around when we actually head there.

 

[trogger]

If asian teams want to win in aus the last thing they would want are the tracks we just had for the india series.

Hard enough work for the aussies to take 20 wickets on those tracks but very hard to see an asian team rolling the aussies quickly enough to force results on those pitches.

 

[ForeverIndian]

younis would be better choice for rahane

Rahane's average in Aus - 57.00

YK's average in Aus - 43.16

#Fact

 

[FarOutSuhail]

As of now i dont see any Asian with such power. Pakistan if bats reasonably well out there can become one. Bowling has never been our concern

 

[aslaisnomasla]

Drawing a game in australia or south africa is not a small thing. Ask any indian fan whether they will accept a 4-0 whitewash or 2-0 in a 4 tests series.

please, don't tell me what they'll accept.... 2-0 or 4-0 same crap, like I said stop looking for ways to make yourself happy.

 

[Buffet]

As of now i dont see any Asian with such power. Pakistan if bats reasonably well out there can become one. Bowling has never been our concern

It's been as much as any other team when it comes to bowling in Aus.



That's why you need batting to win test series in Aus by drawing other games even if you win one odd test. SA won the last test series in Aus by following exactly the same approach.

 

[Buffet]

If asian teams want to win in aus the last thing they would want are the tracks we just had for the india series.

Hard enough work for the aussies to take 20 wickets on those tracks but very hard to see an asian team rolling the aussies quickly enough to force results on those pitches.

Agree with this. Pitch needs to have enough for bowlers. Otherwise Asian sides are not going to force result and subsequently win test series in Aus.

 

[Boxer]

Might take time but India seems to be the one.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

please, don't tell me what they'll accept.... 2-0 or 4-0 same crap, like I said stop looking for ways to make yourself happy.

I am not making things up. These things did happen. India drew some games in australia while other asian teams did nothing there. This is a fact and people do look at it when they talk about the possibility of winning the series away from home. If you don't want to accept it then that is not my problem. Thank you.

 

[Electron]

India has a nice batting core to achieve that feat. All will depend upon how Ashwin, Umesh and Aaron mature in the next year or so.

Lanka and Bangla have no chance.

For Pakistan, batting is obviously too weak, but Amir's comeback and Wahab's progress will hold the key. I hope Pakistan start stepping outside UAE. If I am correct, Pakistan haven't toured England and Australia since Amir/Asif ban, isn't it?

 

[ForeverIndian]

It's been as much as any other team when it comes to bowling in Aus.

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That's why you need batting to win test series in Aus by drawing other games even if you win one odd test. SA won the last test series in Aus by following exactly the same approach.

These are overall stats . Can we have recent stats , like since 2000 ? Thanks.

 

[Buffet]

These are overall stats . Can we have recent stats , like since 2000 ? Thanks.

It's actually pretty bad with all teams giving 40+ runs for each wicket. If Aus continues with similar pitches then I feel we will start seeing 50+ for most teams pretty soon.

Now with these kind of pitches , you do have to bat long enough in few tests to draw and then hope to win one test to win a series. Given the circumstances, Eng played very well to win a test series by a big margin in Aus but then Aus was probably at their lowest point in the last 25 years.

 

[Buffet]

Sa is tougher then aus...

Nah, you get good pitches for bowlers in SA and visiting teams can win one test. With 2 test series, it's earlier to win a series in SA than Aus. Aus wickets are very difficult for visiting bowlers and it makes it difficult to win a test and it's also not easy to then draw due to Aus scoring so quickly. Aus normally out-bats oppositions.

You have to bat aggressively and bat long to win in Aus. You can win in SA by playing traditional cricket. I don't see any SC team winning in Aus in a proper series. With 2 tests series - Ind and Pakistan have some chance but still need to play really well. SL was not able to compete with much better players in Aus so I don't see them doing much in the next 5-10 years. BD can't win.

In SA - I can see Ind, Pakistan and SL having a chance to win 2 tests series. I am counting SL here because not having Sanga is non-issue for them. Sanga was poor in SA. SL seamers can cause trouble in SA.

 

[Pantani]

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It's actually pretty bad with all teams giving 40+ runs for each wicket. If Aus continues with similar pitches then I feel we will start seeing 50+ for most teams pretty soon.

Now with these kind of pitches , you do have to bat long enough in few tests to draw and then hope to win one test to win a series. Given the circumstances, Eng played very well to win a test series by a big margin in Aus but then Aus was probably at their lowest point in the last 25 years.

If my maths is right that's only 10 defeats in 84 matches, which is an outstanding record over 15 years.

 

[Buffet]

If my maths is right that's only 10 defeats in 84 matches, which is an outstanding record over 15 years.

Your math is correct. Here is record for everyone in home games. Aus has the lowest number of loss in 15 years. You can see why I was saying that Asian teams have more chance in SA. SA pitches provide more chance for visiting teams to force a result. It's tougher in Aus.

 

[ForeverIndian]

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It's actually pretty bad with all teams giving 40+ runs for each wicket. If Aus continues with similar pitches then I feel we will start seeing 50+ for most teams pretty soon.

Now with these kind of pitches , you do have to bat long enough in few tests to draw and then hope to win one test to win a series. Given the circumstances, Eng played very well to win a test series by a big margin in Aus but then Aus was probably at their lowest point in the last 25 years.

I'm confused. Are these the bowling averages or batting averages ? Because i always read comments like ''Australian pitches are bowling friendly" . If these are the bowling averages on ''bowling friendly pitches'' , i shudder to think what these stats would look like on batting friendly pitches.

 

[Buffet]

In fact look at W/L( 6.xx) of Aus at home. Far ahead of others. So it's not just about winning one test. You got to avoid losing other tests as well to win series. Aus dominates way more than others at home.

 

[Buffet]

I'm confused. Are these the bowling averages or batting averages ? Because i always read comments like ''Australian pitches are bowling friendly" . If these are the bowling averages on ''bowling friendly pitches'' , i shudder to think what these stats would look like on batting friendly pitches.

Who said that current Aus pitches are bowlers friendly?

Earlier stats were for how many runs each visiting bowling sides gave for each wicket. Stats are bit skewed due to good batting by Aus as well here but Aus pitches have not been bowlers friendly in recent years.

 

[DrSchultz]

India as they play in Australia very often. For Pakistan, the team is completely different each time. They can never get used to conditions.

 

[trogger]

Because i always read comments like ''Australian pitches are bowling friendly" .

Not sure where you read those comments but they are way off base, struggling to think of that many bowler friendly pitches in australia recently, guess the hobart pitch for nz a few years back.

 

[Bilal7]

The one with the best bowling attack (Pakistan) should do it. Bowlers win test matches.

 

[Swanny]

The one with the best bowling attack (Pakistan) should do it. Bowlers win test matches.

It's been as much as any other team when it comes to bowling in Aus.

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That's why you need batting to win test series in Aus by drawing other games even if you win one odd test. SA won the last test series in Aus by following exactly the same approach.

stats c/o buffet

 

[Bilal7]

I saw that post but I still stand by my statement. I can see Junaid, Riaz and Amir win us a couple of tests in Australia but can't say the same about the Indian or Lankan bowling.

That post also shows that there is nothing to separate the South African bowling and the Indian bowling but everyone knows that there is a huge gulf in quality. Misleading stats.

 

[Swanny]

I saw that post but I still stand by my statement. I can see Junaid, Riaz and Amir win us a couple of tests in Australia but can't say the same about the Indian or Lankan bowling.

That post also shows that there is nothing to separate the South African bowling and the Indian bowling but everyone knows that there is a huge gulf in quality. Misleading stats.

Okay.

 

[Electron]

Okay.

Anything that doesn't suit Bilal bhai is misleading.

Amir being a 45 averaging bowler in 3/4 countries = Misleading stat.
Wahab being a 30+ averaging bowler in both Tests and ODIs = Misleading stat.
Junaid's numbers last year = Misleading stat.

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Only relevant stats are Kohli's struggle in England.

 

[leatherface58]

Pakistan. They are famous for pulling rabbits out of nowhere.

Indian bowling is a joke overseas. So even if their batsmen put up 5000, the opposition would chase it.

Lankans with Sanga were destroyed. Without Sanga, they will be obliterated. Their bowling somehow is worse than India. They fluked it in England otherwise they are hopeless.

On the other hand, South Africa have won in Oz twice. Does that mean Pakistan have partially won atleast for some folks?

 

[Bilal7]

Anything that doesn't suit Bilal bhai is misleading.

Amir being a 45 averaging bowler in 3/4 countries = Misleading stat.
Wahab being a 30+ averaging bowler in both Tests and ODIs = Misleading stat.
Junaid's numbers last year = Misleading stat.

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Only relevant stats are Kohli's struggle in England.

Says the guy who rates Umesh Yadav, lol.

- Amir bowled better than his numbers suggested in those series, there is a reason he was hyped as being better than Wasim Akram at that age by Imran Khan and Wasim Akram himself. You actually have to watch some cricket and not let your biases get in the way to realize that.
- Wahab Riaz has always been an inconsistent bowler so his 30+ average in both tests and ODIs is fair. Stop pulling stuff out of thin air.
- Junaid was suffering through injury, fitness problems and as a result, poor form throughout the last year. Where were you when he was winning us series in India and South Africa and generally bowling in an excellent manner?

So yes, utter rubbish by Electron sahab. Now stop derailing another thread to forward your agenda which got old two weeks ago.

 

[Abhilash93]

Pakistan. They are famous for pulling rabbits out of nowhere.

Indian bowling is a joke overseas. So even if their batsmen put up 5000, the opposition would chase it.

Lankans with Sanga were destroyed. Without Sanga, they will be obliterated. Their bowling somehow is worse than India. They fluked it in England otherwise they are hopeless.

On the other hand, South Africa have won in Oz twice. Does that mean Pakistan have partially won atleast for some folks?

I remember something like 105 all out. Do you?