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With India set to tour Australia this year, and Sri Lanka to tour South Africa this year, which Asian team will be the first to win a series in one of those countries? (Pakistan is touring South Africa in early 2013) :kallis
 
India have a good chance in Australia, Australia seem to have very few decent cricketers atm.
 
India will be the first, australia are damn weak. With our weak bowling line up and same kind of batting line it will be hard for us to win in these countries.
 
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Who'll win? Even Bangladesh if they are given a chance....;-) 1st to win? Whoever goes 1st....

P.s. I am talking about australia here. :P
 
India should beat Australia this year just because Australia is too weak.

even now i can safely say that Pakistan is the best asian team outside subcontinent.
 
Pakhtoon_Rules said:
India should beat Australia this year just because Australia is too weak.

even now i can safely say that Pakistan is the best asian team outside subcontinent.
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Australia is weak, but at home I don't see them losing to India this year. A draw probably.
 
India has no chance atleast this time. Our bowling attack is embarassingly weak and is too much dependent on Zaheer. I don't see him getting fit by then considering he needs to go through a surgery and a 16 week rest after that.
 
I can see the hugely impressive nature of England's crushing win Down Under being put into perspective by future tours to Australia, who remain a very potent side at home.
 
Well unless Australia find some good test bowlers, they are in trouble.
 
Australia will not be an easy cake walk for any of these teams in Australia. Ponting, Michael Clarke and Husey are still there, with good quicks. Against India, it will be fast tarcks as their batsmen are anxious on lifitng deliveries. Pakistan, with the team at the moement, is no threat. Sri Lanka also does not look like winning either. South Africa is very storng for eithr of these teams,
 
The way Australia are playing, India have probably the best chance to finally win a series down under because the trio might retire after that, who knows how the team shapes up then.

SL would be the last, thats for sure. Pakistan don't have the team (yet) to beat anyone in UAE let alone Aus/SA.
 
Doubt either will win the series on their respective tours.

Aus and SA are tough to beat at home. You need a very strong line up to have a shot.
 
India will win against Australia, they are no.1 in Test so they are clear favorites for the series.
 
Should be India...hoping for some green wickets this time around otherwise our bowlers would struggle to take 20 wickets!
 
Cant see any of the Asian sides winning in either country over next few years to be honest.
 
Pakistan are probably the strongest Asian team, hence they have the best chance
 
Pakistan would get blown away in Australia or South Africa right now, no offence and all.

*waits for LOL BUT CHEK ENGS RECORD IN SUBCONT*

Don't post that please, answer the point properly.
 
Whippy said:
Pakistan would get blown away in Australia or South Africa right now, no offence and all.

*waits for LOL BUT CHEK ENGS RECORD IN SUBCONT*

Don't post that please, answer the point properly.
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:))
 
Whippy said:
Pakistan would get blown away in Australia or South Africa right now, no offence and all.

*waits for LOL BUT CHEK ENGS RECORD IN SUBCONT*

Don't post that please, answer the point properly.
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I think the question wasn't who won't get bashed .. it was about who have greater chance to win ... where as I feel you need 20 wickets to win a test match .. else you can only draw the game ... so at the moment Pakistan have better attack comparing to .... India, Sri Lanka , should include bangladesh ?
 
Batting wouldn't stand up on those pitches against all those fast bowlers
 
Whippy said:
Pakistan would get blown away in Australia or South Africa right now, no offence and all.

*waits for LOL BUT CHEK ENGS RECORD IN SUBCONT*

Don't post that please, answer the point properly.
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considering srilanka managed to win a test against south africa with their bowling i wont be surprised if pakistan sneaked in a series win next year .:asadrauf
 
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No Asian team can beat Aus in Aus in a test series (they may win a test)

Aus (even when they are not such a great side) are very hard to beat in their own back yard. Only SA (2008-9) and England (2010-11) have managed to beat them in a test series over the past two decades

Prior to that Windies (under Richie Richardson) beat Aus in Aus in 1992/3 (2-1)

Pakistan are perennial underachievers in Australia. Even NZ recently beat Aus in Aus in a test match though the series was drawn 1-1.
For us beating Ausralia looks well nigh impossible.
I believe that the Pak team of the late 90s was more talented (esp. the bowling, the likes of the two W's, Shoaib and Saqlain, batting incl. Inzi and Anwar was n't bad either) than the one IK captained in the 80s but we still never produced the goods in Australia. Got thrashed 3-0 by the Aussies in 1999, infact lost 13 consecutive tests against them (not sure if it is already a record in bilateral series between established nations) before finally winning at Headingley last year to draw the two test series (1-1) in England

Australia were already in decline when we last toured there in 2009/10 yet we lost all three tests (infact all 9 games on tour..)
 
P A K I S T A N.

1. Pakistan bowling attack is way better than any other team from Asia.
2. As seen last time Australia will not make bowler friendly pitches as against India now
3. Pakistan is getting som decent batsmenn too so it bowling can win matches for Pakistan. Problem with India is there bowlers sux and there stong part which is batting alawys fail on aborad wickets.
4. I it not had been for Kamran Akmal & co Pakistan could win against Australia and England but those retards did what we found out was true :((
 
Sri lanka might have the best shot as we keep giving them 2 test series, much easier to squeak in a series win over two tests as all you need is a first up win and then some weather in the second test and you are home.
 
I think it's a bit harsh to say this current Pak team will get bashed and blown away in Aus and S.A. The fixing Pak team nearly won a test in Aus, and it's been ages since we toured South Africa but looking at how even Sri Lanka are doing damage down there, people shouldn't be surprised if Pakistan can sneak a 2-1 series win in South Africa. As for Australia, the next time the two teams face, both teams wil be considerably different and probably stronger which will make a good contest. Never say never folks.
 
no Asian team is going to win a series in next ten years at least, India had a chance but they are a bunch of individuals not a team.
 
Blade said:
I think it's a bit harsh to say this current Pak team will get bashed and blown away in Aus and S.A.
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Pakistan have had 14 tours to Australia and south africa and never won, you would expect them to lose next time they tour either country and looking at stats that go back as many as 50 years support that.
 
JibranAnsari said:
no Asian team is going to win a series in next ten years at least, India had a chance but they are a bunch of individuals not a team.
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10 years is a bit of an exaggeration. Anything can happen within even 2 years.

After the recent Ashes, people were saying England would win the next 3 ashes at least. Now after the emergence of some potential world class bowlers and decent batsmen, people are giving Australia a good chance.

Pakistan will probably always have enough bowling talent to take 20 wickets on South African, Australian pitches. We just need a solid batting lineup to consistently win matches there. Who knows if Umar can find some temperament, Azhar Ali can improve further and we find a young replacement for Misbah...we could have a batting lineup able to win in Aus/SA.
 
Once Ponting and Hussey will retire, Aussie batting line up would be weak and pedestrian.

So I guess who ever would visit them after they retire, have a chance to achieve the milestone.
 
trogger said:
Pakistan have had 14 tours to Australia and south africa and never won, you would expect them to lose next time they tour either country and looking at stats that go back as many as 50 years support that.
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Mate, look at the team that toured Aus a couple years ago and look at the team now. Totally different. 3 less fixers, 4 if you count that ugly wicketkeeper.

Similarly look at the team Aussies had in the 90s and 00's and look at it now. Our star studded Pak team of them days can be excused for losing to the Aussies of old. Just cause the current bunch are beating that hack team india doesn't make them good. NZ won a test there ffs.

Anyway all I'm saying is never say never. Some posters here think they are God or something by saying it will never happen.
 
If Pakistan with Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib , Saqlain, Inzi, Moyo or India with Sachin, Dravid, VVS, Sehwag, Ganguly and SL with Sanga, Murali, Vaas, Mahela have not been able to win a series in these two countries, doubt if the future generation of test cricketers form these Asian teams would be strong enough to win a series.
 
Blade said:
Mate, look at the team that toured Aus a couple years ago and look at the team now. Totally different. 3 less fixers, 4 if you count that ugly wicketkeeper.
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it's not one tour though or one team.

Pakistan have been coming to Australia for 50 years with a variety of good bad and average teams and have faced good bad and average aussie teams and yet every tour ends the same way with Pakistan leaving without a test series win.

it's simply a logical assumption that the next time Pakistan tour Australia they won't win the test series, to assume they will has to be based on only hope to assume they won't is based on 50 years of cold hard facts.
 
cricketindiafan said:
If Pakistan with Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib , Saqlain, Inzi, Moyo or India with Sachin, Dravid, VVS, Sehwag, Ganguly and SL with Sanga, Murali, Vaas, Mahela have not been able to win a series in these two countries, doubt if the future generation of test cricketers form these Asian teams would be strong enough to win a series.
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Look at who those players were facing! Legends of the game like Warne, McGrath, Ponting in his prime, Langer, Hayden, Waugh etc. you get the point!

This was India's big chance, and they blew it! This Aussie unit will just get stronger now with Cummins and Patto gaining more experience but they will never be as good as the Aussie side that beat the likes of Wasim, Waqar, Murali, Sachin, Dravid etc.

In the future it should be easier to beat Aus in Aus because technically their best ever team is long gone and they are in rebuilding phase and who knows if they will ever have a team as good as the one from the 2000's.

The country with the best chance is Pakistan as you need 20 wickets to win a match/series. Lets face it India doesn't fit the bill and neither does Sri lanka.
 
India's biggest miss was 2004, that was a jaded struggling australian team who were missing warne and mcgrath, if india hadn't batted on so long in Sydney they would have won.
 
We have the ability to take wickets in any conditions.

I wouldn't be happy to rely on the batting at all in SA or Aussie conditions: it would precipitate the usual form of dismissal- edging the ball to the slips or keeper due to lack of footwork or poor technique not allowing us to cope with the pace and bounce of the wickets.

Agreed about India: they should've declared at 600 and backed themselves to win.
 
Australia has lost grand total of 7 tests in last 12 years at home regardless of their team. Lost series to only SA and England post Warne/McGrath retirement in 2008. :23:

We go to SA in 2013, between that and now we play enough tests at home to make our side stable with few retirements and few changes in batting. If our selectors don't continue the dumb approach then we should have stronger team to compete. We go to Aus in 2014, that's very far.

Eng-Pak series will give us lots of answers how strong Pak test team is. Wouldn't be bad idea to unearth few newbie quicks before they go to SA. Current quickys don't give me goosebumps.
 
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trogger said:
India's biggest miss was 2004, that was a jaded struggling australian team who were missing warne and mcgrath, if india hadn't batted on so long in Sydney they would have won.
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In all Honesty I'd rather face Siddle and Pattinson than Lee and Gillespie
 
Whippy said:
Pakistan would get blown away in Australia or South Africa right now, no offence and all.

*waits for LOL BUT CHEK ENGS RECORD IN SUBCONT*

Don't post that please, answer the point properly.
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They'll fare better than what India has done in Australia/England. Their batting is better than it was in 2009-10, much depends on how the youngsters fare in the next 12 months. Still very much susceptible to collapses but their is this togetherness about Pakistan team now which is the reason why they've bounced back from difficult situations.

Bowling has never been a problem, they'll enjoy the conditions there
 
cricketindiafan said:
If Pakistan with Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib , Saqlain, Inzi, Moyo or India with Sachin, Dravid, VVS, Sehwag, Ganguly and SL with Sanga, Murali, Vaas, Mahela have not been able to win a series in these two countries, doubt if the future generation of test cricketers form these Asian teams would be strong enough to win a series.
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Those stalwalts faced one of the best team ever, no comparison to the current Australian team although they're still very good at home.
 
Blade said:
Look at who those players were facing! Legends of the game like Warne, McGrath, Ponting in his prime, Langer, Hayden, Waugh etc. you get the point!

This was India's big chance, and they blew it! This Aussie unit will just get stronger now with Cummins and Patto gaining more experience but they will never be as good as the Aussie side that beat the likes of Wasim, Waqar, Murali, Sachin, Dravid etc.

In the future it should be easier to beat Aus in Aus because technically their best ever team is long gone and they are in rebuilding phase and who knows if they will ever have a team as good as the one from the 2000's.

The country with the best chance is Pakistan as you need 20 wickets to win a match/series. Lets face it India doesn't fit the bill and neither does Sri lanka.
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Yes those Aussie teams had some of the legendary names, but at the same time the Asian teams also were at their strongest with the names I mentioned. Do you think Pakistan will have a stronger team than they had in the late 90s anytime sooner? Or we will get 4-5 legends playing in the same team or SL will have a similarly strong team? Looks unlikely in the near future, even though I will be happy to be proved wrong.

As for Pakistan having the ability to take 20 Aussie wickets, they may do that in an odd test here or there, but can't see them doing that all through a series in SA/Aus. And even if they do manage to pick 20 wickets regularly, putting 300+ totals on the board will be a challenge. The teams which have won/drawn the series in Aus recently have had batting units scoring 350-400 regularly in a series. None of the Asian giants look like producing the next gen batting unit capable of doing that in Aus/SA.
 
cricketindiafan said:
As for Pakistan having the ability to take 20 Aussie wickets, they may do that in an odd test here or there, but can't see them doing that all through a series in SA/Aus. And even if they do manage to pick 20 wickets regularly, putting 300+ totals on the board will be a challenge. The teams which have won/drawn the series in Aus recently have had batting units scoring 350-400 regularly in a series. None of the Asian giants look like producing the next gen batting unit capable of doing that in Aus/SA.
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Are you on crack?

Just cause your team is getting mauled at the moment and concedes 600 runs for one wicket, doesn't mean we all will. Pakistan took 20 wickets against Sri lanka on very flat pitches, in every match. If they can do that, then why do you doubt they will get 20 wickets on friendlier wickets in SA and Aus? Our attack isn't full of trundlers like yours.
 
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trogger said:
it's not one tour though or one team.

Pakistan have been coming to Australia for 50 years with a variety of good bad and average teams and have faced good bad and average aussie teams and yet every tour ends the same way with Pakistan leaving without a test series win.

it's simply a logical assumption that the next time Pakistan tour Australia they won't win the test series, to assume they will has to be based on only hope to assume they won't is based on 50 years of cold hard facts.
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Are you on crack?

Yes pakistan isn't what is was in the 90's, but neither are the aussies. Therefore, knowing we won't have fixers to ruin things in the future, it is a logical assumption that the next time Pakistan tour, victory isn't out of the question.

What happened in the past is in the past. Tomorrow is a new day.
 
Blade said:
Are you on crack?

Just cause your team is getting mauled at the moment and concedes 600 runs for one wicket, doesn't mean we all will. Pakistan took 20 wickets against Sri lanka on very flat pitches, in every match. If they can do that, then why do you doubt they will get 20 wickets on friendlier wickets in SA and Aus? Our attack isn't full of trundlers like yours.
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Pakistan were able to take 20 wickets only once last they were there and even with better bowling line-up than what they have at the moment. Before that they weren't even able to take 20 wickets for 2 previous tests series.

Help yourself.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...tion=2;template=results;type=team;view=series

Our trundlers have done better than you phassst bowlers there. :asif
 
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Blade said:
Are you on crack?
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Nope quite sober, that's why i can still count.

14 the number of teams that have toured Australia from pakistan

0 the number of pakistan teams that have won in australia.

yes the current Aussie side isn't as great as it once was but it's not like this is some great Pakistani side, it would be the 6th ranked team in cricket taking on the 4th in a place the 6th ranked team has NEVER won.

You would have to as you said "be on crack" to think Pakistan are a good shot.
 
Pakistan gave it a go in the 80s and 90s. India tried in the 00s. SL has been ordinary outside. I think the main reason Asian teams struggle apart from the getting adjusted to different conditions is the lack of team work, discipline, mental laziness. Usually performance is in patches and not uniform throughout the team. Few players carrry the weight of the team as opposed to everyone contributing.
 
Lack of footwork and poor reflexes on pacy, bouncy pitches always costs Pakistan...as well as dropped catches.
 
With Australia on the up once again, I doubt it will any time soon.

India and Lanka are on the decline.

Pakistan always struggles here.

Bangladesh. Don't think they've ever toured here to be honest.
 
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