There have been a number of reported attacks on those with an Chinese background in the UK. Children are being bullied at school, women are being abused and Chinese food outlets are seeing abusive notes and losing money.
It seems it's another form of discrimination we have witnessed agaisnt Eastern Europeans, Muslims, Arabs etc due to war of terror, Brexit.
UK and USA have both elected racist leaders, along with other nations.
Why are SO MANY (not all)people in the west so ignorant and stupid?
How has it been where you are? Canada, USA, Pakistan, India, Middle East etc.
There have been a number of reported attacks on those with an Chinese background in the UK. Children are being bullied at school, women are being abused and Chinese food outlets are seeing abusive notes and losing money.
It seems it's another form of discrimination we have witnessed agaisnt Eastern Europeans, Muslims, Arabs etc due to war of terror, Brexit.
UK and USA have both elected racist leaders, along with other nations.
Why are SO MANY (not all)people in the west so ignorant and stupid?
How has it been where you are? Canada, USA, Pakistan, India, Middle East etc.
Yes, anyone from the far east is deemed a target by some losers. There was an attack on a Singaporean student on Oxford Street in London - I think it was at some point last week. He got beaten pretty badly and may have to have an operation on his eye socket. I think they have arrested the perpetrators unless I am mistake.
Racism is never acceptable whether it is against Chinese or non-Chinese.
However, certain East Asian people need to be responsible when it comes to what they eat. For example - I have seen certain Thai people consuming buffalo intestine juice (raw). I have also seen them eating raw pork blood and raw animals. They not just put themselves in danger but also people worldwide.
This type of tragedy can be prevented if people stop eating dangerous and raw foods.
Racism is never acceptable whether it is against Chinese or non-Chinese.
However, certain East Asian people need to be responsible when it comes to what they eat. For example - I have seen certain Thai people consuming buffalo intestine juice (raw). I have also seen them eating raw pork blood and raw animals. They not just put themselves in danger but also people worldwide.
This type of tragedy can be prevented if people stop eating dangerous and raw foods.
To learn more about racism towards Asians particularly East Asians but also South Asians, check the sub r/aznidentity , they do a good job exposing media propaganda, racist stereotypes and narratives pushed by the global media.
Not the same imo. They may get the odd look or told to move away but not read/heard of any incident where a person coughing has been physically atttacked.
I have never seen any European eating raw pig meat. They mostly cook it properly. But, some East Asian people eat things raw. Please check this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myHCdK9OMec.
This is not a white or Chinese thing. It is about safety.
I have never seen any European eating raw pig meat. They mostly cook it properly. But, some East Asian people eat things raw. Please check this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myHCdK9OMec.
This is not a white or Chinese thing. It is about safety.
But, cooked meat has lower chance of causing a major disease than raw meat.
I condemn both groups (who eat pork and who eat raw meat). Everyone should be responsible.
You should have in your opening post bro. When you single out one group, it can come across as racist, not suggesting you are. You say you are a practicing Muslim, in you opinion would the Prophet(pbuh) single out one race/ethnicity? Did he ever? No.
Btw With Swine flu started from a pig farm, so the idea of keeping pigs for food caused this, eating didn't even come into it.
You should have in your opening post bro. When you single out one group, it can come across as racist, not suggesting you are. You say you are a practicing Muslim, in you opinion would the Prophet(pbuh) single out one race/ethnicity? Did he ever? No.
Btw With Swine flu started from a pig farm, so the idea of keeping pigs for food caused this, eating didn't even come into it.
No racism was intended. I was just pointing out some dangerous practices. Over 100,000 people got infected by this virus and it is about time people eat responsibly.
I just don't think that anyone should eat an animal while it is alive. In Islam, we are supposed to slaughter it and put it out of its misery first. Chinese method is not Islamic at all.
I have Chinese friends and many of them disagree with this practice.
You should have in your opening post bro. When you single out one group, it can come across as racist, not suggesting you are. You say you are a practicing Muslim, in you opinion would the Prophet(pbuh) single out one race/ethnicity? Did he ever? No.
Btw With Swine flu started from a pig farm, so the idea of keeping pigs for food caused this, eating didn't even come into it.
No racism was intended. I was just pointing out some dangerous practices. Over 100,000 people got infected by this virus and it is about time people eat responsibly.
I just don't think that anyone should eat an animal while it is alive. In Islam, we are supposed to slaughter it and put it out of its misery first. Chinese method is not Islamic at all.
I have Chinese friends and many of them disagree with this practice.
Told you before, had plenty of white Sheila's in my time and plenty of white friends, confident many more than you. I hate racists and racism in all forms.
Lets not get your budgie smugglers in a twist, is racism towards 'Chinese'/'Asians' on the rise in Aus due to this new virul outbreak?
If you dont want to contrubite to the thread topic, put on Cell Block H or something mate.
We know all about health risks associated with eating meat that is under cooked, just like carrots are a risk if you dont wash them and water is very risky if you dont filter or boil it.
Condemn people for eating pork is like condemning people for drinking water. (you do know what diseases you can get from drinking water dont you.)
Told you before, had plenty of white Sheila's in my time and plenty of white friends, confident many more than you. I hate racists and racism in all forms.
Lets not get your budgie smugglers in a twist, is racism towards 'Chinese'/'Asians' on the rise in Aus due to this new virul outbreak?
If you dont want to contrubite to the thread topic, put on Cell Block H or something mate.
in your thought process are equating eating pork with swine flue. same can be said of eating beef and equating it with mad cow disease. You are just trying to justify your religious doctrine on the rest.
By eating chicken you can get Salmonella and Campylobacter . What does that mean. please keep your religious bias to yourself. Noting wrong with eating beef,prk, chicken if done right.
The quote below is from a link you posted in post 28.
Asian-Canadians also highlighted that they had been subjected to racism and stereotypes — and not for the first time.
Carrianne Leung, who wrote a paper on the "yellow peril" impact of SARS in 2002 on the Asian Canadian community, said on Twitter she was seeing patterns recurring now with the coronavirus outbreak
During the SARS crisis we had our fair share of racism against the Chinese in Canada; I remember because we had to schedule a school assembly to address it.
Looks like Chinese people are starting to get abused in Africa.
WASHINGTON/NAIROBI - A video being shared widely on social media shows an angry crowd threatening two people of Asian descent about the coronavirus. Reportedly recorded in Kenya, a man in the crowd shouts at the frightened couple, “You are corona!” The Asian man responds, “We don’t have corona. Enough!” Finally, a person in the crowd raises his hand threatening to slap the Asian man.
As the coronavirus spreads across continents, it is also spreading fear. In many parts of the world, including Africa, xenophobia, and more specifically, “sinophobia,” the fear of Chinese people, is on the rise. An estimated 1 million Chinese live and work in Africa. Many now face added scrutiny or outright discrimination.
In interviews on the streets of Nairobi, VOA found growing unease about Chinese immigrants.
“When I see a Chinese, I get scared because I don’t know if they are from China or if they were in Kenya before the virus outbreak,” Patricia Wayua, a media consultant in Kenya, told VOA’s Swahili service. “You know how our system is corrupt. You never know. So that’s why when I see a Chinese I get a little bit scared.”
Another pedestrian urged caution. “I don’t think we should discriminate against them per se,” said the man in Nairobi. “My take is that the government should just check to make sure the people who are coming inside the country are screened and all the right procedures are followed. Because we also do business with them and they also employ us and they are also supporting the economy.”
Yoon Jung Park, a professor at Johns Hopkins University and an associate director at the China Africa Research Initiative (CARI), said anti-Chinese sentiment is not new in Africa.
“I would say that across the continent there have been periodic kinds of outbursts of what looks to be anti-Chinese sentiment,” Park told VOA. “Some of the studies that we've done in southern Africa would seem to indicate that sometimes the Chinese are a scapegoat for criticizing the incumbent governments.”
A 2015 study by the Chinese state-funded news site The Paper found that 60% of attacks against Chinese workers abroad took place in Africa. One such incident that gained international headlines occurred in 2010 in Zambia. There, workers who were angered at unsafe conditions at a mine gathered to protest and were shot by Chinese mine managers. The report also found that South Africa was the worst location for such incidents of xenophobia.
Park said the reasons for such attacks vary. Sometimes people are angry that foreigners profit while locals suffer. Other times attackers are angry at their own government for giving opportunities to foreigners.
“I would say it's a combination of factors,” said Park. “There’s some degree of lashing out at the outsider or newcomer who is outcompeting you. But it’s also oftentimes an indication that China is very close to the government that’s in power.”
It is not clear whether the coronavirus will have a long-term impact and worsen Sino-African relationships. The combination of a frightening disease with a foreign origin can lead people to react.
“There’s a tremendous amount of fear about the unknown, and this unknown disease is now attached to Chinese bodies as opposed to, you know, with Ebola, African bodies,” said Park. “I don't know if it’s racism or xenophobia per se, but it is this tendency, I think, that we as human beings have to fear what we don’t know.”
There is no doubt that a lot of countries, especially with large visible Chinese population (unlike Pakistan/India) are exhibiting racism, it is also important to have the capacity to differentiate between safety precautions and racism.
For example, not going to Chinese restaurants in European countries is not racism. It is called being careful.
Similarly, if you end up catching the virus because you do not want avoid shaking hands so that you don’t appear racist, you only have yourself to blame.
In times like these you can never be too careful, and it is best to avoid taking undue risks just because you do not want people on the internet to call you racist.
However, attacking Chinese people (physical or verbal) is simply not acceptable. I don’t know about India but things are different in Pakistan because of two major factors:
(1) the Chinese are our masters and even the most racist Pakistanis would not dare to exhibit racism against a Chinese person. He would get into a lot of trouble.
You can get away with discriminating against Ahmadis, Shias and other minorities in Pakistan, but not against our Chinese masters.
(2) Apart from a few select cities, you would hardly see a Chinese person here, so there are few opportunities to act racist.
As far as Chinese restaurants are concerned, they are still flourishing but that is largely because most Pakistani Chinese restaurants are Chinese in name only. The ingredients are local and there is pretty much no connection with China at all.
Thus, it is inappropriate to compare the racism against the Chinese in the West to countries like Pakistan. We are the most racist and bigoted people but are not in the position (and situation) to be only racist towards the Chinese.
Anyway, this is not the time to worry about racism. If you do not wish to shake hands, if you do not wish to mingle with the Chinese people or anyone coughing and sneezing, you are justified. Let people call you racist. It shouldn’t matter.
Australia has most love for Chinese and their money so you won’t see much racism in Australia atleast
But the point is why taking extra precautions in this situation considered racist. You don’t want to get infected just to please someone or certain race
I have never seen any European eating raw pig meat. They mostly cook it properly. But, some East Asian people eat things raw. Please check this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myHCdK9OMec.
This is not a white or Chinese thing. It is about safety.
Australia has most love for Chinese and their money so you won’t see much racism in Australia atleast
But the point is why taking extra precautions in this situation considered racist. You don’t want to get infected just to please someone or certain race
I heard that Chinese takeaways and restaurants in the UK have taken a 60% hit in sales since the Coronavirus storm. I'm not sure that is down to racism though, it is because people are unimpressed by the conditions of Chinese wet markets which allegedly led to the outbreak.
I know that isn't necessarily the fault of Chinese owned establishments in the UK, but that is just how public perception works. The Chinese diet of dogs, cats, monkeys and whatever else has always made people feel slightly trepid even before we found out bats were also on the menu.
Well, not everyone wants to take risk. I would stop eating in all restaurants, not just Chinese. You are expected to avoid unnecessary social gatherings during this Coronavirus outbreak.
A colleague being shouted at how her people (Chinese heritage) are to blame. Many restaraunts have closed in Aus due to numbers of customers reducing. It doesn't take long for yellow fever to surface in Australia!
China and Chinese people deserve all the criticism. It’s their fault. I couldn’t care less if that’s racist. Snowflakes liberals call everything racist nowadays. Of course, I am not for physical attack on Chinese people but if people want to keep their distance from them and criticise them for the disgusting food they eat, they are well within their rights. The world is suffering right now because of CHINA!
China and Chinese people deserve all the criticism. It’s their fault. I couldn’t care less if that’s racist. Snowflakes liberals call everything racist nowadays. Of course, I am not for physical attack on Chinese people but if people want to keep their distance from them and criticise them for the disgusting food they eat, they are well within their rights. The world is suffering right now because of CHINA!
If you had taken your time to understand why diseases keep coming from China, you wouldn't have said so. The blame is entirely on the small chinese elite, most Chinese people aren't to blame for such diseases.
Forget the Chinese, I am avoiding Italians or people who recently visited Italy a lot more. No more visit to the local Italian pizzeria for now. It's not a question about a certain race but a question of probability. Someone who has recently been to China or Italy is most likely to have the virus than someone returning from Kenya.
Initially when the disease first breakout people were concerned about theany Chinese tourists but ironically nothing happened for weeks and then suddenly the virus started to spread in central Europe mostly via Italy. Now residents are foremost concerned with what's the best thing to do right now than to come up with racial slurs against the Italians. For the most part they are angry at the government for not being proactive enough.
If you had taken your time to understand why diseases keep coming from China, you wouldn't have said so. The blame is entirely on the small chinese elite, most Chinese people aren't to blame for such diseases.
There is racism in every nation but Canadians have time after time shown they are more liberal than Aussies. Too many Aussies are showing fascist attitudes. But you dont want to discuss this so move on to Home and Away.
in your thought process are equating eating pork with swine flue. same can be said of eating beef and equating it with mad cow disease. You are just trying to justify your religious doctrine on the rest.
I dont have a doctrine, you are anti-religous Nadeem. If you left your faith move on , why be bitter for the rest of yoru life. Yes that was the point, sure same goes for Beef, so not sure why you are so upset about pork. Eat as much as you like, it's not kryptonite for Muslims lol
There is racism in every nation but Canadians have time after time shown they are more liberal than Aussies. Too many Aussies are showing fascist attitudes. But you dont want to discuss this so move on to Home and Away.
[MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION] don’t worry. Half of his posts are basically racist anyway. First he brought religion into this discussion, now bringing nationalities. Btw, I have been living in Canada, and I don’t think there is much difference between Canada and Australia in terms of acceptance. Yes, there will be few ****** everywhere but that doesn’t define a country. My close family friend son went to Australia as a international student and now he is at the highest level in police department. Can you ever imagine that happening to an African or Australian in India or Pakistan. So don’t get impacted by this guy.
[MENTION=732]Gilly[/MENTION] don’t worry. Half of his posts are basically racist anyway. First he brought religion into this discussion, now bringing nationalities. Btw, I have been living in Canada, and I don’t think there is much difference between Canada and Australia in terms of acceptance. Yes, there will be few ****** everywhere but that doesn’t define a country. My close family friend son went to Australia as a international student and now he is at the highest level in police department. Can you ever imagine that happening to an African or Australian in India or Pakistan. So don’t get impacted by this guy.
Cheers rahulrulezz, I've spent some time in Canada, wonderful people over there.
I think a lot of this hatred that springs up about Australia is more about people being angry about something else and they just lash out wherever and whenever they can. I can only take responsibility for myself and I have confidence that I live a peaceful life and bring no harm to anyone.
China and Chinese people deserve all the criticism. It’s their fault. I couldn’t care less if that’s racist. Snowflakes liberals call everything racist nowadays. Of course, I am not for physical attack on Chinese people but if people want to keep their distance from them and criticise them for the disgusting food they eat, they are well within their rights. The world is suffering right now because of CHINA!
It's a mix of both. Bad conditions leads to virus creation and the consumption leads to the virus jumping from animals to humans. It's not just the bad conditions the animals are held at but the unnatural close contact of all sort of different wild animals that happens in these markets that's more dangerous.
Watch this documentary, they go undercover and show the conditions in the wet markets as of right now after the spread of the virus and China banning the wet markets. Humans never learn.
I am starting to find good reasons to be racists toward such east Asian practices. Actually it's not racism per se but this aspect of their culture which makes me angry and disgusted.
Despite all the valid criticism we can't go anti China 100%. It's time for cooperation. The world needs china and China needs us.
Besides a random Chinese guy living in Canada since ages has little to do with this.
At least people from Muslim background should know that bad people exist in all societes. Vilifying a whole community because of them is unjust and dumb.
It's a mix of both. Bad conditions leads to virus creation and the consumption leads to the virus jumping from animals to humans. It's not just the bad conditions the animals are held at but the unnatural close contact of all sort of different wild animals that happens in these markets that's more dangerous.
Watch this documentary, they go undercover and show the conditions in the wet markets as of right now after the spread of the virus and China banning the wet markets. Humans never learn.
I am starting to find good reasons to be racists toward such east Asian practices. Actually it's not racism per se but this aspect of their culture which makes me angry and disgusted.
I don't think it's justifiable to be racist to Chinese for insanitary conditions, I get the feeling that south Asian, or third world country wet markets probably aren't much better in that regard.
If it's consuming bats which is the cause, then you can put that down to ignorance, and you would think with updated knowledge, the consumption of bats will fall out of favour pretty quickly in China.
More than the disease starting in China and blaming the people it’s the Govns delay in response people should be angry about , this is inspite of all the mistakes done during SARS.
Rightly Chinese citizens are angry at the authorities as well.
I don't think it's justifiable to be racist to Chinese for insanitary conditions, I get the feeling that south Asian, or third world country wet markets probably aren't much better in that regard.
If it's consuming bats which is the cause, then you can put that down to ignorance, and you would think with updated knowledge, the consumption of bats will fall out of favour pretty quickly in China.
I am racist towards South Asian in that regards to.
My use of the word racist is a bit of a provocative joke. I think only very few people in the world are really racist as in hate the other due to the race alone. I believe most people hate a certain aspect of a foreign culture which is then regarded as racism.
I don't think it's justifiable to be racist to Chinese for insanitary conditions, I get the feeling that south Asian, or third world country wet markets probably aren't much better in that regard.
If it's consuming bats which is the cause, then you can put that down to ignorance, and you would think with updated knowledge, the consumption of bats will fall out of favour pretty quickly in China.
In regards to bat consumption and ignorance: You can't excuse it due to ignorance. It's well known how virus can jump from wild animals to humans. Environmentalists have been warning about it all along. It's addressed in the documentary I refered to earlier. Ebola also originated from consumption of wild meat.
It's just the greedy humans who only look for their profit before anything else and their unwillingness to let go of tradition and culture despite the evidence of it being destructive.
I don't think it's justifiable to be racist to Chinese for insanitary conditions, I get the feeling that south Asian, or third world country wet markets probably aren't much better in that regard.
If it's consuming bats which is the cause, then you can put that down to ignorance, and you would think with updated knowledge, the consumption of bats will fall out of favour pretty quickly in China.
In regards to bat consumption and ignorance: You can't excuse it due to ignorance. It's well known how virus can jump from wild animals to humans. Environmentalists have been warning about it all along. It's addressed in the documentary I refered to earlier. Ebola also originated from consumption of wild meat.
It's just the greedy humans who only look for their profit before anything else and their unwillingness to let go of tradition and culture despite the evidence of it being destructive.
I think because Sars virus was almost 20 years old, that news didn't get taken as seriously as it would after this current outbreak. Even if you read the comments in that article, people are more concerned that bats don't get killed as a result of trying to wipe out the disease. I think it is complacency because Sars happened such a long time ago rather than stubborn desire to eat bats regardless of the consequence.
I honestly believe the Coronavirus will shake people all over the world including China into reassessing the culture of eating 'exotic' food. Of course you can't legislate for a small percentage of lunatics anywhere so you can never say never.
I think because Sars virus was almost 20 years old, that news didn't get taken as seriously as it would after this current outbreak. Even if you read the comments in that article, people are more concerned that bats don't get killed as a result of trying to wipe out the disease. I think it is complacency because Sars happened such a long time ago rather than stubborn desire to eat bats regardless of the consequence.
I honestly believe the Coronavirus will shake people all over the world including China into reassessing the culture of eating 'exotic' food. Of course you can't legislate for a small percentage of lunatics anywhere so you can never say never.
Yes, East Asian cuisine is very different and has always remained so dont think we can change that,
all that can be done is put in precautions, every leader was extremely complacent until one week ago, some like Trump were extremely ignorant until 3 days ago.
Perhaps I don't know. Though the bat consumption isn't the problem. It's the existence of these wild animal markets all across East Asia.
Looking at how the bat consumption develops is just a narrow view of the problem. The current virus just happened to have been transmitted via the bats. However there are all sort of wild animals held in unnatural conditions and being consumed right now when the whole world is currently suffering from its effects. This is the height of human ignorance, arrogance and indifference.
As the documentary shows people haven't learned anything and continuing this dangerous play with fire. Who knows in next few years an even more dangerous virus might emerge by the consumption of some other wild animal.
It's these wild animal markets that needed to be vehemently fought against however most east Asian countries are reluctant to do so since it is part of their tradition.
