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Which country has produced the most number of quality batsmen?

It is really wrong to make average of 45+ or 40+and aggregate of 4,000 + a criteria.To me there are so many batsman who have averaged below 45 and not aggregated over 4000 runs and were truly great .95% of my list have averaged more than forty and have aggregated more than 4,000 runs,or even over 7,000 and 8,000 runs.Amongst very good players a few did not even average 40 or aggregate over 5,000 runs like Victor Trumper,Vijay Manjrekar,Asif Iqbal or Majid Khan. Imagine not counting Gordon Greenidge,Ian Chappell,Colin Cowdrey,Majid Khan,Graham Gooch,David Gower ,Gundappa Vishwanath or Martin Crowe as quality batsman.

I will always count the following batsman who averaged less than 45 runs .

1.England-Colin Cowdrey,David Gower,and Graham Gooch.Gooch had a phenomenal aggregate of 8900 runs and mastered the great West Indian pace attack,while Cowdrey and Gower were masters against pace bowling.All scored over 7,000 runs.


2.Pakistan-Zaheer Abbas was the best batsman on flat tracks scoring 2 double centuries in England,Hanif Mohammad the ultimate technician and batsman to register mammoth scores including 337.v West Indies on their soil,,Salim Malik often the champion in a crisis while Majid Khan and Asif Iqbal mastered great pace attacks of Australia and West Indies.Majid and Asif averaged around 38.5 but performed like batsman who would have averaged around 45.


3.India-Gundappa Vishwanath was the best batting match-winner for India till then while Dilip Vengsarkar and Mohinder Amarnath mastered great West Indian bowling attacks.Amarnath handled the great Carribean attack better than any batsman in 1983 in the West Indies.From 1986-87 Vengsarkar was the best batsman in the world.He scored 3 consecutive centuries at Lords.Vijay Manjrekar was never flattered by stats while Polly Umrigar could literally bat for his life.



4.Australia-Victor Trumper was a better batsman than even Bradman on wet tracks and arguably the ultimate genius.He averaged 39 runs.Although Ian Chappell averaged 42, in a crisis he was the best batsman of the 1970's.At one dowm he average over 50 runs.Mark Waugh,at his best was in the Lara -Tendulkar class and a great match-winner.David Boon was ever consistent.Stan Mcabe was the greatest batsman against bodyline bowling.


5.New Zealand-Martin Crowe was in the Greg Chappell class who Wasim Akram found more difficult to bowl to than Tendulkar or Lara.



6.Sri Lanka-Aravinda de Silva was a great batsman in a crisis and a great match-winner with more ability than Jayewardene or Sangakaara.


7.West Indies-Gordon Greenidge is one of the greatest opening batsman of all time who at his peak was close to Viv Richards. Desmond Haynes,Alvin Kalicharann and Lawrence Rowe were all in the classical mould at their best.


If you make 45+ a criteria then you eliminate all these batsman.If you make 40+ a criteria then great talents like MajidKhan ,Asif Iqbal , Vijay Manjrekar or a genius like Victor Trumper get eliminated.
 
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There will always be batsman who will miss out. If you go to the extreme case then it will be W.G.Grace with avg of 32.
 
West Indies for me..

Viv Richrds
Headley
Lara
Sobers
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Walcott
Weekes
Worrell
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Chanderpaul
Kanhai
Lloyd
Nurse
Hunte
Kallicharan
Greenidge
Haynes
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Richardson
Rowe
Butcher

Gun player after another..
 
If we look at who has produced good batsman in most decades (with some exceptions), then it has to be India and Australia. England have done well as well but have to many exceptions (i.e. periods where they didn't produce many quality batsman). And West Indies did very well in this regard for a few decades but after that they haven't done much...
 
For me

1) West Indies
2) Australia
3) India
4) England
5) South Africa
6) Pakistan
7) NZ/SL
8) SL/NZ
9) Zimbabwe
10) Bangladesh
 
And West Indies did very well in this regard for a few decades but after that they haven't done much...

Who would have thought those "few decades" will end up defining the modern Cricket?
 
Australian Batters have struggled on sub continents ...... this should be kept in mind.

Not all of them. In recent years, Hayden, Hussey, and Martyn were really good in Asia.

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It's got to be West Indies.

Sobers, Lara, Viv and Headley are deserving of a place in the top 10 batsmen of all time. Then you have Greenidge, Kanhai, the 3 Ws (Walcott, Weekes and Worrell), Kallicharan, Clive Lloyd, Desmond Haynes, Conrad Hunte, CHanderpaul, Basil Butcher, etc.
 
Which country has produced most number of quality batsmen?

Australia?
Windies?
India?
SA?
 
India I guess. They have more renowned ATG batsmen than Aus (Gavaskar, Tendulkar, Dravid, Dhoni and Kohli). Sehwag, Yuvraj, Laxman, Ganguly, Azharuddin were pretty great too. One could also argue for Aus. It's pretty close.
 
I think it has to be between India and Australia. Australia have had some wonderful cricketers over the years. Starting from Don Bradman to Steven Smith. Some wonderful names there.

India will be the other one who have been consistently producing some quality batters. The only difference is that India are still producing the talent and Australia have had a slump.
 
I think it has to be between India and Australia. Australia have had some wonderful cricketers over the years. Starting from Don Bradman to Steven Smith. Some wonderful names there.

India will be the other one who have been consistently producing some quality batters. The only difference is that India are still producing the talent and Australia have had a slump.

What's your take on Windies? Sobers, Viv, Lara, Chanderpaul, Headley, three Ws and Kanhai.
 
England, Australia have doninated the game for over a 100 years. They will always be leading these charts. At least till a very long time.

If you talk about last few decades India will have a shot at that.
 
Gavaskar and Tendulkar consistently make most ATG test XIs.

Tendulkar, Kohli, Dhoni respectively secure opening, middle order and finishing role in most ATG ODI XIs.

In T20s though only Kohli has secufed2a place.
 
Yes but those three pretty much makes it to top 5-6 batsmen of all-time list.

But the rest of the WI batsmen aren't that great, especially comparing what India have produced since 1970s and Australia for last 100 years. Many WI test batsmen are just hype and don't have much of a test record to speak for. As for ODIs, only Haynes and Greenidge were decent. Most Aussie and Indian greats have great longevity along with decent stats.

I don't personally rate the English greats (Sutcliffe, Barrington, Hammond, Hobbs and Hutton) very highly since cricket wasn't truly global before 60s, it's unfairly biased towards them but that's what it is.

With all this being said, my opinion is mostly subjective due to cross era comparison being difficult, so if anybody wishes to disagree it's fine.
 
Australia

Chappell brothers, Border, Jones, Boon, Taylor, Slater, Waugh brothers, Ponting, Gilchrist, Langer, Hayden, Martyn, Clarke, Bevan, Symonds, Hussey, Watson, Smith, and Warner

All of them were world class in at least one format.
 
Australia I would say are solid at making quality batsman. I would put India second and South Africa third.
 
Updating my old list.
Players with 45+ batting average and 5000 runs.

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[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Country [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RT Ponting [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]168 [/td][td]13378 [/td][td]51.85 [/td][td]41 [/td][td]62 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AR Border [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]156 [/td][td]11174 [/td][td]50.56 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]63 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SR Waugh [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]168 [/td][td]10927 [/td][td]51.06 [/td][td]32 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MJ Clarke [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]115 [/td][td]8643 [/td][td]49.1 [/td][td]28 [/td][td]27 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ML Hayden [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]103 [/td][td]8625 [/td][td]50.73 [/td][td]30 [/td][td]29 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JL Langer [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]105 [/td][td]7696 [/td][td]45.27 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]30 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GS Chappell [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]87 [/td][td]7110 [/td][td]53.86 [/td][td]24 [/td][td]31 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DG Bradman [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]52 [/td][td]6996 [/td][td]99.94 [/td][td]29 [/td][td]13 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DA Warner [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]74 [/td][td]6363 [/td][td]48.2 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]29 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MEK Hussey [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]79 [/td][td]6235 [/td][td]51.52 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]29 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SPD Smith [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]64 [/td][td]6199 [/td][td]61.37 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]24 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RN Harvey [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]79 [/td][td]6149 [/td][td]48.41 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]24 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AC Gilchrist [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]96 [/td][td]5570 [/td][td]47.6 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]26 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KD Walters [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]74 [/td][td]5357 [/td][td]48.26 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]33 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]WM Lawry [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]67 [/td][td]5234 [/td][td]47.15 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]27 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AN Cook [/td][td]ENG [/td][td]156 [/td][td]12145 [/td][td]45.65 [/td][td]32 [/td][td]56 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KP Pietersen [/td][td]ENG [/td][td]104 [/td][td]8181 [/td][td]47.28 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]35 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]G Boycott [/td][td]ENG [/td][td]108 [/td][td]8114 [/td][td]47.72 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]42 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]WR Hammond [/td][td]ENG [/td][td]85 [/td][td]7249 [/td][td]58.45 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]24 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]L Hutton [/td][td]ENG [/td][td]79 [/td][td]6971 [/td][td]56.67 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]33 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KF Barrington [/td][td]ENG [/td][td]82 [/td][td]6806 [/td][td]58.67 [/td][td]20 [/td][td]35 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JE Root [/td][td]ENG [/td][td]69 [/td][td]5960 [/td][td]52.28 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]40 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DCS Compton [/td][td]ENG [/td][td]78 [/td][td]5807 [/td][td]50.06 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]28 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JB Hobbs [/td][td]ENG [/td][td]61 [/td][td]5410 [/td][td]56.94 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]28 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SR Tendulkar [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]200 [/td][td]15921 [/td][td]53.78 [/td][td]51 [/td][td]68 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]R Dravid [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]164 [/td][td]13288 [/td][td]52.31 [/td][td]36 [/td][td]63 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SM Gavaskar [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]125 [/td][td]10122 [/td][td]51.12 [/td][td]34 [/td][td]45 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]VVS Laxman [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]134 [/td][td]8781 [/td][td]45.97 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]56 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]V Sehwag [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]104 [/td][td]8586 [/td][td]49.34 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]32 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]M Azharuddin [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]99 [/td][td]6215 [/td][td]45.03 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]21 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]V Kohli [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]66 [/td][td]5554 [/td][td]53.4 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]16 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]LRPL Taylor [/td][td]NZ [/td][td]85 [/td][td]6281 [/td][td]47.22 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]28 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MD Crowe [/td][td]NZ [/td][td]77 [/td][td]5444 [/td][td]45.36 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KS Williamson [/td][td]NZ [/td][td]65 [/td][td]5338 [/td][td]50.35 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]26 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Younis Khan [/td][td]PAK [/td][td]118 [/td][td]10099 [/td][td]52.05 [/td][td]34 [/td][td]33 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Javed Miandad [/td][td]PAK [/td][td]124 [/td][td]8832 [/td][td]52.57 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]43 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Inzamam-ul-Haq [/td][td]PAK [/td][td]120 [/td][td]8830 [/td][td]49.6 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]46 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Yousuf [/td][td]PAK [/td][td]90 [/td][td]7530 [/td][td]52.29 [/td][td]24 [/td][td]33 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Misbah-ul-Haq [/td][td]PAK [/td][td]75 [/td][td]5222 [/td][td]46.62 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]39 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JH Kallis [/td][td]SA [/td][td]166 [/td][td]13289 [/td][td]55.37 [/td][td]45 [/td][td]58 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GC Smith [/td][td]SA [/td][td]117 [/td][td]9265 [/td][td]48.25 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]38 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]HM Amla [/td][td]SA [/td][td]117 [/td][td]8982 [/td][td]48.03 [/td][td]28 [/td][td]39 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AB de Villiers [/td][td]SA [/td][td]114 [/td][td]8765 [/td][td]50.66 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]46 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]G Kirsten [/td][td]SA [/td][td]101 [/td][td]7289 [/td][td]45.27 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]34 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KC Sangakkara [/td][td]SL [/td][td]134 [/td][td]12400 [/td][td]57.4 [/td][td]38 [/td][td]52 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DPMD Jayawardene [/td][td]SL [/td][td]149 [/td][td]11814 [/td][td]49.84 [/td][td]34 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]TT Samaraweera [/td][td]SL [/td][td]81 [/td][td]5462 [/td][td]48.76 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]30 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]BC Lara [/td][td]WI [/td][td]131 [/td][td]11953 [/td][td]52.88 [/td][td]34 [/td][td]48 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]S Chanderpaul [/td][td]WI [/td][td]164 [/td][td]11867 [/td][td]51.37 [/td][td]30 [/td][td]66 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]IVA Richards [/td][td]WI [/td][td]121 [/td][td]8540 [/td][td]50.23 [/td][td]24 [/td][td]45 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GS Sobers [/td][td]WI [/td][td]93 [/td][td]8032 [/td][td]57.78 [/td][td]26 [/td][td]30 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CH Lloyd [/td][td]WI [/td][td]110 [/td][td]7515 [/td][td]46.67 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]39 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RB Kanhai [/td][td]WI [/td][td]79 [/td][td]6227 [/td][td]47.53 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]28 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

Australia (15)
RT Ponting
AR Border
SR Waugh
MJ Clarke
ML Hayden
JL Langer
GS Chappell
DG Bradman
DA Warner
MEK Hussey
SPD Smith
RN Harvey
AC Gilchrist
KD Walters
WM Lawry

England (9)
AN Cook
KP Pietersen
G Boycott
WR Hammond
L Hutton
KF Barrington
JE Root
DCS Compton
JB Hobbs

India (7)
SR Tendulkar
R Dravid
SM Gavaskar
VVS Laxman
V Sehwag
M Azharuddin
V Kohli

West Indies (6)
BC Lara
S Chanderpaul
IVA Richards
GS Sobers
CH Lloyd
RB Kanhai

Pakistan (5)
Younis Khan
Javed Miandad
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Mohammad Yousuf
Misbah-ul-Haq

South Africa (5)
JH Kallis
GC Smith
HM Amla
AB de Villiers
G Kirsten

Sri Lanka (3)
KC Sangakkara
DPMD Jayawardene
TT Samaraweera

NZ (3)
LRPL Taylor
MD Crowe
KS Williamson
 
ODI list
Players with 40+ batting average and over 4000 runs

[table=width: 500, class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Country [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]SR [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RT Ponting [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]375 [/td][td]13704 [/td][td]42.03 [/td][td]80.39 [/td][td]30 [/td][td]82 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MJ Clarke [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]245 [/td][td]7981 [/td][td]44.58 [/td][td]78.98 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]58 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MG Bevan [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]232 [/td][td]6912 [/td][td]53.58 [/td][td]74.16 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]46 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ML Hayden [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]161 [/td][td]6133 [/td][td]43.8 [/td][td]78.96 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]36 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DM Jones [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]164 [/td][td]6068 [/td][td]44.61 [/td][td]72.56 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]46 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SR Watson [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]190 [/td][td]5757 [/td][td]40.54 [/td][td]90.44 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]33 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MEK Hussey [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]185 [/td][td]5442 [/td][td]48.15 [/td][td]87.16 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]39 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DR Martyn [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]208 [/td][td]5346 [/td][td]40.8 [/td][td]77.73 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]37 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DA Warner [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]106 [/td][td]4343 [/td][td]43.43 [/td][td]96.55 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JE Root [/td][td]ENG [/td][td]112 [/td][td]4583 [/td][td]50.36 [/td][td]86.74 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]28 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KP Pietersen [/td][td]ENG [/td][td]136 [/td][td]4440 [/td][td]40.73 [/td][td]86.58 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]25 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SR Tendulkar [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]463 [/td][td]18426 [/td][td]44.83 [/td][td]86.23 [/td][td]49 [/td][td]96 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SC Ganguly [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]311 [/td][td]11363 [/td][td]41.02 [/td][td]73.7 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]72 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MS Dhoni [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]318 [/td][td]9967 [/td][td]51.37 [/td][td]88.4 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]67 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]V Kohli [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]208 [/td][td]9588 [/td][td]58.1 [/td][td]92.14 [/td][td]35 [/td][td]46 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RG Sharma [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]180 [/td][td]6594 [/td][td]44.55 [/td][td]86.96 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]34 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]S Dhawan [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]102 [/td][td]4361 [/td][td]45.9 [/td][td]93.44 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]25 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]LRPL Taylor [/td][td]NZ [/td][td]204 [/td][td]7267 [/td][td]46.28 [/td][td]82.87 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]41 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MJ Guptill [/td][td]NZ [/td][td]159 [/td][td]5976 [/td][td]42.99 [/td][td]86.38 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]34 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KS Williamson [/td][td]NZ [/td][td]127 [/td][td]5156 [/td][td]46.87 [/td][td]83.22 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]33 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Yousuf [/td][td]PAK [/td][td]288 [/td][td]9720 [/td][td]41.71 [/td][td]75.1 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]64 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Javed Miandad [/td][td]PAK [/td][td]233 [/td][td]7381 [/td][td]41.7 [/td][td]67.01 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Misbah-ul-Haq [/td][td]PAK [/td][td]162 [/td][td]5122 [/td][td]43.4 [/td][td]73.75 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]42 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JH Kallis [/td][td]SA [/td][td]328 [/td][td]11579 [/td][td]44.36 [/td][td]72.89 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]86 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AB de Villiers [/td][td]SA [/td][td]228 [/td][td]9577 [/td][td]53.5 [/td][td]101.09 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]53 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]HM Amla [/td][td]SA [/td][td]164 [/td][td]7535 [/td][td]50.23 [/td][td]88.9 [/td][td]26 [/td][td]35 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]G Kirsten [/td][td]SA [/td][td]185 [/td][td]6798 [/td][td]40.95 [/td][td]72.04 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]45 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]F du Plessis [/td][td]SA [/td][td]117 [/td][td]4379 [/td][td]44.68 [/td][td]88.3 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]29 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KC Sangakkara [/td][td]SL [/td][td]404 [/td][td]14234 [/td][td]41.98 [/td][td]78.86 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]93 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AD Mathews [/td][td]SL [/td][td]196 [/td][td]5107 [/td][td]41.86 [/td][td]83.76 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]35 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]BC Lara [/td][td]WI [/td][td]299 [/td][td]10405 [/td][td]40.48 [/td][td]79.51 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]63 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]S Chanderpaul [/td][td]WI [/td][td]268 [/td][td]8778 [/td][td]41.6 [/td][td]70.74 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]59 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DL Haynes [/td][td]WI [/td][td]238 [/td][td]8648 [/td][td]41.37 [/td][td]63.09 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]57 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]IVA Richards [/td][td]WI [/td][td]187 [/td][td]6721 [/td][td]47 [/td][td]90.2 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]45 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RR Sarwan [/td][td]WI [/td][td]181 [/td][td]5804 [/td][td]42.67 [/td][td]75.74 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]38 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CG Greenidge [/td][td]WI [/td][td]128 [/td][td]5134 [/td][td]45.03 [/td][td]64.92 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]31 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

Australia (9)
RT Ponting
MJ Clarke
MG Bevan
ML Hayden
DM Jones
SR Watson
MEK Hussey
DR Martyn
DA Warner

India (6)
SR Tendulkar
SC Ganguly
MS Dhoni
V Kohli
RG Sharma
S Dhawan

South Africa (5)
JH Kallis
AB de Villiers
HM Amla
G Kirsten
F du Plessis

West Indies (6)
BC Lara
S Chanderpaul
IVA Richards
GS Sobers
CH Lloyd
RB Kanhai

Pakistan (3)
Mohammad Yousuf
Javed Miandad
Misbah-ul-Haq

NZ (3)
LRPL Taylor
MJ Guptill
KS Williamson

England (2)
JE Root
KP Pietersen

Sri Lanka (2)
KC Sangakkara
AD Mathews
 
What's your take on Windies? Sobers, Viv, Lara, Chanderpaul, Headley, three Ws and Kanhai.

The problem is that West Indies's production line declined sometime in the mid-nineties. Only Lara (ATG) and Chanders were recognised as world class players. I would have included WI as well but their batting has been in decline for 2 decades now. Gayle and Sarwan were good bats but none of them world class. On the contrary, Australia and India always produced great players over the last 2-3 decades. Australia are looking a little suspect now but again Smith will be back next year. It does seem though that their batting is facing a decline as well.
 
Corrected (thanks Alizee) Thats why i posted pic too. So any mistake can be spotted

Based on batting avg - 45+ and 5000+ runs
Aus - Bradman , Chapell , Ponting , Waugh , Hayden , Border , Hussey , Clarke , Harvey , Walters , Gilchrist , Lawry , Langer (13)

England - Barrington , Hammond , Hobbs , Hutton , Compton , Pieterson , Cook , Boycott , Bell (9)

West Indies - Sobers , Lara , Richards , Chanderpaul , Kanhai , LLoyd (6)

India - Tendulkar , Dravid , Gavaskar , Sehwag , Laxman , Azharuddin (6)

Pak - Miandad , Yousuf , Younis , Inzamam (4)

SA - Kallis , Smith , DeVilliers , Kirsten (3)

SL - Sangakara , Samarveera , Jayawardhene (3)

NZ - Crowe (1)

SA also has 4 players so must be tied with PAK
 
SA also has 4 players so must be tied with PAK

This was posted long time back. I have updated it now, see few posts above.

Now
Pakistan (5)
Younis Khan
Javed Miandad
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Mohammad Yousuf
Misbah-ul-Haq

South Africa (5)
JH Kallis
GC Smith
HM Amla
AB de Villiers
G Kirsten
 
ODI list
Players with 40+ batting average and over 4000 runs

[table=width: 500, class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Country [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]SR [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RT Ponting [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]375 [/td][td]13704 [/td][td]42.03 [/td][td]80.39 [/td][td]30 [/td][td]82 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MJ Clarke [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]245 [/td][td]7981 [/td][td]44.58 [/td][td]78.98 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]58 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MG Bevan [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]232 [/td][td]6912 [/td][td]53.58 [/td][td]74.16 [/td][td]6 [/td][td]46 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ML Hayden [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]161 [/td][td]6133 [/td][td]43.8 [/td][td]78.96 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]36 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DM Jones [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]164 [/td][td]6068 [/td][td]44.61 [/td][td]72.56 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]46 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SR Watson [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]190 [/td][td]5757 [/td][td]40.54 [/td][td]90.44 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]33 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MEK Hussey [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]185 [/td][td]5442 [/td][td]48.15 [/td][td]87.16 [/td][td]3 [/td][td]39 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DR Martyn [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]208 [/td][td]5346 [/td][td]40.8 [/td][td]77.73 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]37 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DA Warner [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]106 [/td][td]4343 [/td][td]43.43 [/td][td]96.55 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JE Root [/td][td]ENG [/td][td]112 [/td][td]4583 [/td][td]50.36 [/td][td]86.74 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]28 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KP Pietersen [/td][td]ENG [/td][td]136 [/td][td]4440 [/td][td]40.73 [/td][td]86.58 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]25 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SR Tendulkar [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]463 [/td][td]18426 [/td][td]44.83 [/td][td]86.23 [/td][td]49 [/td][td]96 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SC Ganguly [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]311 [/td][td]11363 [/td][td]41.02 [/td][td]73.7 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]72 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MS Dhoni [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]318 [/td][td]9967 [/td][td]51.37 [/td][td]88.4 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]67 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]V Kohli [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]208 [/td][td]9588 [/td][td]58.1 [/td][td]92.14 [/td][td]35 [/td][td]46 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RG Sharma [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]180 [/td][td]6594 [/td][td]44.55 [/td][td]86.96 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]34 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]S Dhawan [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]102 [/td][td]4361 [/td][td]45.9 [/td][td]93.44 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]25 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]LRPL Taylor [/td][td]NZ [/td][td]204 [/td][td]7267 [/td][td]46.28 [/td][td]82.87 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]41 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MJ Guptill [/td][td]NZ [/td][td]159 [/td][td]5976 [/td][td]42.99 [/td][td]86.38 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]34 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KS Williamson [/td][td]NZ [/td][td]127 [/td][td]5156 [/td][td]46.87 [/td][td]83.22 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]33 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Yousuf [/td][td]PAK [/td][td]288 [/td][td]9720 [/td][td]41.71 [/td][td]75.1 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]64 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Javed Miandad [/td][td]PAK [/td][td]233 [/td][td]7381 [/td][td]41.7 [/td][td]67.01 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Misbah-ul-Haq [/td][td]PAK [/td][td]162 [/td][td]5122 [/td][td]43.4 [/td][td]73.75 [/td][td]0 [/td][td]42 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JH Kallis [/td][td]SA [/td][td]328 [/td][td]11579 [/td][td]44.36 [/td][td]72.89 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]86 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AB de Villiers [/td][td]SA [/td][td]228 [/td][td]9577 [/td][td]53.5 [/td][td]101.09 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]53 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]HM Amla [/td][td]SA [/td][td]164 [/td][td]7535 [/td][td]50.23 [/td][td]88.9 [/td][td]26 [/td][td]35 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]G Kirsten [/td][td]SA [/td][td]185 [/td][td]6798 [/td][td]40.95 [/td][td]72.04 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]45 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]F du Plessis [/td][td]SA [/td][td]117 [/td][td]4379 [/td][td]44.68 [/td][td]88.3 [/td][td]9 [/td][td]29 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KC Sangakkara [/td][td]SL [/td][td]404 [/td][td]14234 [/td][td]41.98 [/td][td]78.86 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]93 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AD Mathews [/td][td]SL [/td][td]196 [/td][td]5107 [/td][td]41.86 [/td][td]83.76 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]35 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]BC Lara [/td][td]WI [/td][td]299 [/td][td]10405 [/td][td]40.48 [/td][td]79.51 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]63 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]S Chanderpaul [/td][td]WI [/td][td]268 [/td][td]8778 [/td][td]41.6 [/td][td]70.74 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]59 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DL Haynes [/td][td]WI [/td][td]238 [/td][td]8648 [/td][td]41.37 [/td][td]63.09 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]57 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]IVA Richards [/td][td]WI [/td][td]187 [/td][td]6721 [/td][td]47 [/td][td]90.2 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]45 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RR Sarwan [/td][td]WI [/td][td]181 [/td][td]5804 [/td][td]42.67 [/td][td]75.74 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]38 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CG Greenidge [/td][td]WI [/td][td]128 [/td][td]5134 [/td][td]45.03 [/td][td]64.92 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]31 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

Australia (9)
RT Ponting
MJ Clarke
MG Bevan
ML Hayden
DM Jones
SR Watson
MEK Hussey
DR Martyn
DA Warner

India (6)
SR Tendulkar
SC Ganguly
MS Dhoni
V Kohli
RG Sharma
S Dhawan

South Africa (5)
JH Kallis
AB de Villiers
HM Amla
G Kirsten
F du Plessis

West Indies (6)
BC Lara
S Chanderpaul
IVA Richards
GS Sobers
CH Lloyd
RB Kanhai

Pakistan (3)
Mohammad Yousuf
Javed Miandad
Misbah-ul-Haq

NZ (3)
LRPL Taylor
MJ Guptill
KS Williamson

England (2)
JE Root
KP Pietersen

Sri Lanka (2)
KC Sangakkara
AD Mathews

Flawed one.

Inzy not there but Misbah there. Even Anwar not there.

Yuvi and Sehwag should/could be there as well if Sharma and Dhawan are there.

ATG Gilly not there but Clarke is there.

Jayasuriya not there but Matthews and Sanga there.
 
Flawed one.

Inzy not there but Misbah there. Even Anwar not there.

Yuvi and Sehwag should/could be there as well if Sharma and Dhawan are there.

ATG Gilly not there but Clarke is there.

Jayasuriya not there but Matthews and Sanga there.

Stats shows that they all average under 40 in ODI
Inzy - 39.52
Anwar - 39.21
Gilchrist - 35.89
Jayasuriya - 32.36

To accommodate 3 of them i have to reduce it to 35 batting average. To fit it in Jayasuriya i have to reduce it to further at 30.

All it shows really that these were great batsman n their own rights but lacked the consistency factor of above listed player.

Which statistic criteria would you go for ?
 
Stats shows that they all average under 40 in ODI
Inzy - 39.52
Anwar - 39.21
Gilchrist - 35.89
Jayasuriya - 32.36

To accommodate 3 of them i have to reduce it to 35 batting average. To fit it in Jayasuriya i have to reduce it to further at 30.

All it shows really that these were great batsman n their own rights but lacked the consistency factor of above listed player.

Which statistic criteria would you go for ?

ODI games have changed so much that it is a tough one. I dont think there is any statistical criteria which will produce best results but if still I have to make one such like it , I would suggest looking at the top 10 batsmen statistically for each decade. This will remove the huge difference in Avg/SR combo between the players across the eras.

For 90s, we can have likes of SRT, Lara, Anwar, Waugh, Jayasuriya and others.

For 2000s, we can have the likes of Ponting, Gilly, Hayden, Sehwag, Inzy and others.

For 2010s, we can have Kohli, AB, Sangakkara, Amla, Dhoni, Rohit, Dhawan and Guptill as well.

It will still be a flawed one but statistically, I dont think it would get any better as far as 50-over game is concerned. Someone like Dilshan will get missed out because he was great between 2007-2016. So, it has flaws but I think that is the best we can come of.

Also, we can make a different category for players with Dilshan kind of peak( where the peak started more like after half of decade and ended after 4-5 years of next decade) and hence can be mentioned as well.
 
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Updating my old list.
Players with 45+ batting average and 5000 runs.

[table=width: 500, class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Country [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Ave [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RT Ponting [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]168 [/td][td]13378 [/td][td]51.85 [/td][td]41 [/td][td]62 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AR Border [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]156 [/td][td]11174 [/td][td]50.56 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]63 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SR Waugh [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]168 [/td][td]10927 [/td][td]51.06 [/td][td]32 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MJ Clarke [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]115 [/td][td]8643 [/td][td]49.1 [/td][td]28 [/td][td]27 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]ML Hayden [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]103 [/td][td]8625 [/td][td]50.73 [/td][td]30 [/td][td]29 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JL Langer [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]105 [/td][td]7696 [/td][td]45.27 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]30 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GS Chappell [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]87 [/td][td]7110 [/td][td]53.86 [/td][td]24 [/td][td]31 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DG Bradman [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]52 [/td][td]6996 [/td][td]99.94 [/td][td]29 [/td][td]13 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DA Warner [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]74 [/td][td]6363 [/td][td]48.2 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]29 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MEK Hussey [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]79 [/td][td]6235 [/td][td]51.52 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]29 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SPD Smith [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]64 [/td][td]6199 [/td][td]61.37 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]24 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RN Harvey [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]79 [/td][td]6149 [/td][td]48.41 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]24 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AC Gilchrist [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]96 [/td][td]5570 [/td][td]47.6 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]26 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KD Walters [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]74 [/td][td]5357 [/td][td]48.26 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]33 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]WM Lawry [/td][td]AUS [/td][td]67 [/td][td]5234 [/td][td]47.15 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]27 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AN Cook [/td][td]ENG [/td][td]156 [/td][td]12145 [/td][td]45.65 [/td][td]32 [/td][td]56 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KP Pietersen [/td][td]ENG [/td][td]104 [/td][td]8181 [/td][td]47.28 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]35 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]G Boycott [/td][td]ENG [/td][td]108 [/td][td]8114 [/td][td]47.72 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]42 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]WR Hammond [/td][td]ENG [/td][td]85 [/td][td]7249 [/td][td]58.45 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]24 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]L Hutton [/td][td]ENG [/td][td]79 [/td][td]6971 [/td][td]56.67 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]33 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KF Barrington [/td][td]ENG [/td][td]82 [/td][td]6806 [/td][td]58.67 [/td][td]20 [/td][td]35 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JE Root [/td][td]ENG [/td][td]69 [/td][td]5960 [/td][td]52.28 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]40 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DCS Compton [/td][td]ENG [/td][td]78 [/td][td]5807 [/td][td]50.06 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]28 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JB Hobbs [/td][td]ENG [/td][td]61 [/td][td]5410 [/td][td]56.94 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]28 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SR Tendulkar [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]200 [/td][td]15921 [/td][td]53.78 [/td][td]51 [/td][td]68 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]R Dravid [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]164 [/td][td]13288 [/td][td]52.31 [/td][td]36 [/td][td]63 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]SM Gavaskar [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]125 [/td][td]10122 [/td][td]51.12 [/td][td]34 [/td][td]45 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]VVS Laxman [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]134 [/td][td]8781 [/td][td]45.97 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]56 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]V Sehwag [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]104 [/td][td]8586 [/td][td]49.34 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]32 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]M Azharuddin [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]99 [/td][td]6215 [/td][td]45.03 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]21 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]V Kohli [/td][td]INDIA [/td][td]66 [/td][td]5554 [/td][td]53.4 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]16 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]LRPL Taylor [/td][td]NZ [/td][td]85 [/td][td]6281 [/td][td]47.22 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]28 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]MD Crowe [/td][td]NZ [/td][td]77 [/td][td]5444 [/td][td]45.36 [/td][td]17 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KS Williamson [/td][td]NZ [/td][td]65 [/td][td]5338 [/td][td]50.35 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]26 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Younis Khan [/td][td]PAK [/td][td]118 [/td][td]10099 [/td][td]52.05 [/td][td]34 [/td][td]33 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Javed Miandad [/td][td]PAK [/td][td]124 [/td][td]8832 [/td][td]52.57 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]43 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Inzamam-ul-Haq [/td][td]PAK [/td][td]120 [/td][td]8830 [/td][td]49.6 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]46 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Yousuf [/td][td]PAK [/td][td]90 [/td][td]7530 [/td][td]52.29 [/td][td]24 [/td][td]33 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Misbah-ul-Haq [/td][td]PAK [/td][td]75 [/td][td]5222 [/td][td]46.62 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]39 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]JH Kallis [/td][td]SA [/td][td]166 [/td][td]13289 [/td][td]55.37 [/td][td]45 [/td][td]58 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GC Smith [/td][td]SA [/td][td]117 [/td][td]9265 [/td][td]48.25 [/td][td]27 [/td][td]38 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]HM Amla [/td][td]SA [/td][td]117 [/td][td]8982 [/td][td]48.03 [/td][td]28 [/td][td]39 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]AB de Villiers [/td][td]SA [/td][td]114 [/td][td]8765 [/td][td]50.66 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]46 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]G Kirsten [/td][td]SA [/td][td]101 [/td][td]7289 [/td][td]45.27 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]34 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]KC Sangakkara [/td][td]SL [/td][td]134 [/td][td]12400 [/td][td]57.4 [/td][td]38 [/td][td]52 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]DPMD Jayawardene [/td][td]SL [/td][td]149 [/td][td]11814 [/td][td]49.84 [/td][td]34 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]TT Samaraweera [/td][td]SL [/td][td]81 [/td][td]5462 [/td][td]48.76 [/td][td]14 [/td][td]30 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]BC Lara [/td][td]WI [/td][td]131 [/td][td]11953 [/td][td]52.88 [/td][td]34 [/td][td]48 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]S Chanderpaul [/td][td]WI [/td][td]164 [/td][td]11867 [/td][td]51.37 [/td][td]30 [/td][td]66 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]IVA Richards [/td][td]WI [/td][td]121 [/td][td]8540 [/td][td]50.23 [/td][td]24 [/td][td]45 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]GS Sobers [/td][td]WI [/td][td]93 [/td][td]8032 [/td][td]57.78 [/td][td]26 [/td][td]30 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]CH Lloyd [/td][td]WI [/td][td]110 [/td][td]7515 [/td][td]46.67 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]39 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]RB Kanhai [/td][td]WI [/td][td]79 [/td][td]6227 [/td][td]47.53 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]28 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

Australia (15)
RT Ponting
AR Border
SR Waugh
MJ Clarke
ML Hayden
JL Langer
GS Chappell
DG Bradman
DA Warner
MEK Hussey
SPD Smith
RN Harvey
AC Gilchrist
KD Walters
WM Lawry

England (9)
AN Cook
KP Pietersen
G Boycott
WR Hammond
L Hutton
KF Barrington
JE Root
DCS Compton
JB Hobbs

India (7)
SR Tendulkar
R Dravid
SM Gavaskar
VVS Laxman
V Sehwag
M Azharuddin
V Kohli

West Indies (6)
BC Lara
S Chanderpaul
IVA Richards
GS Sobers
CH Lloyd
RB Kanhai

Pakistan (5)
Younis Khan
Javed Miandad
Inzamam-ul-Haq
Mohammad Yousuf
Misbah-ul-Haq

South Africa (5)
JH Kallis
GC Smith
HM Amla
AB de Villiers
G Kirsten

Sri Lanka (3)
KC Sangakkara
DPMD Jayawardene
TT Samaraweera

NZ (3)
LRPL Taylor
MD Crowe
KS Williamson

I did not need to look into stats to know that Australia have produced more quality batsmen than any other team including India.
 
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