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pillionrider said:
Modern Hinduism is most likely less than 1200 years old. So I'm not sure how OP assumes every Muslim converted from Hinduism. Their ancestors could've been Buddhists or some other dead religion or some local tradition that later got assimilated into Hinduism.
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Modern Hinduism is only 1200 years old ? What is that measured from ?
 
RexRex said:
Modern Hinduism is only 1200 years old ? What is that measured from ?
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It is.
Modern Hinduism only started after the initial Arab invasion of Sindh.

Prior to that, the subcontinent has various Dharmic faiths. Some theistic and some atheistic.
Vedic region, Yakshas, Gandharvas are theistic and believe in supernatural beings. Modern Hinduism primarily consists of these 3 beliefs.
Buddhism, Jainism and Ajivakas are atheistic. Buddhism was wiped out by 12th century in India. Jainism still is going strong in small pockets. Ajivakas went extinct by 7th century with only small numbers surviving till 12th century.

Buddhism is getting revived in India with the neo ambedkarites aka Dalits embracing it in large numbers.

Indian culture is a constantly evolving one. Many of the Muslims in India are backward caste converts. They form 90% of the Indian Muslim population. The remaining 10% are converts from Brahmins, Rajputs, Jatts and Gujjars. A tiny percentage may have Persian, Afghan and Mongol ancestry. They are the cream of the crop.

Bollywood actors come from the tiny Muslim population of foreign ancestry and the upper caste Hindu and Sikh people.
 
Champ_Pal said:
It is.
Modern Hinduism only started after the initial Arab invasion of Sindh.

Prior to that, the subcontinent has various Dharmic faiths. Some theistic and some atheistic.
Vedic region, Yakshas, Gandharvas are theistic and believe in supernatural beings. Modern Hinduism primarily consists of these 3 beliefs.
Buddhism, Jainism and Ajivakas are atheistic. Buddhism was wiped out by 12th century in India. Jainism still is going strong in small pockets. Ajivakas went extinct by 7th century with only small numbers surviving till 12th century.

Buddhism is getting revived in India with the neo ambedkarites aka Dalits embracing it in large numbers.

Indian culture is a constantly evolving one. Many of the Muslims in India are backward caste converts. They form 90% of the Indian Muslim population. The remaining 10% are converts from Brahmins, Rajputs, Jatts and Gujjars. A tiny percentage may have Persian, Afghan and Mongol ancestry. They are the cream of the crop.

Bollywood actors come from the tiny Muslim population of foreign ancestry and the upper caste Hindu and Sikh people.
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What percentage of Hindus are considered backward castes?
 
sweep_shot said:
Amazing to see so many hindus converted to Islam voluntarily. :dav

Thanks for sharing, @finalfantasy7.
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Dude !! Use just some commonsense that god gave you !! When in 2025 there are Muslims asking people to pull their pants down at gunpoint before proceeding to shoot them if they are not circumcised ... just imagine what must have happened in the dark ages.
 
Champ_Pal said:
It is.
Modern Hinduism only started after the initial Arab invasion of Sindh.

Prior to that, the subcontinent has various Dharmic faiths. Some theistic and some atheistic.
Vedic region, Yakshas, Gandharvas are theistic and believe in supernatural beings. Modern Hinduism primarily consists of these 3 beliefs.
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Why is it clubbed as Modern Hinduism ? These three didn't exist in the same form before the Arab invasion of Sindh ?
 
DeadlyVenom said:
What percentage of Hindus are considered backward castes?
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Backward castes and Orher backward castes form approximately 70% of Hindu population. Dalits and tribals around 15% and upper caste around 15%.

The figures are same for Muslims too. Except that Muslims have a small percentage of people with foreign ancestry. Even then, they are mixed with Indians by various degrees.

Majority of Christians are Dalits and tribals. However there are Christian communities in Goa and Kerala where the converts are from Brahmins and other upper caste people.

In the recent past many Dalits have embraced Christianity and Buddhism. The conflict between Hindus and Christians is not with the ones in Kerala or Goa. It’s between the missionaries and the various Hindu organizations.
I recently read that Hindu organizations have reconverted 8 villages in Odisha and Jharkhand from Christianity. Missionaries are extremely active in tribal belt and Dalits. The contest is on. No one really knows the religion of many of these people. On paper they are Hindus. But they practice Christianity. Conflicts have become quite common these days.
I don’t believe government figures on Christian population in India. It may say there are only 2 or 3%. I feel they must be in par with Muslim population. Christianity is growing through conversions and Islam through birth rate. States like Andhra Prasidh, Tamilnadu, Odisha, Jharkhand, Madhya Pradesh and Punjab have seen huge spike in Christian populations in the last 2 decades.
 
RexRex said:
Why is it clubbed as Modern Hinduism ? These three didn't exist in the same form before the Arab invasion of Sindh ?
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Because the Brahmins accepted them as part of their religion. Even Buddha and Mahavir was accepted. But Jains remained a separate entity and preserved their beliefs. Of course they also worship Hindu deities in the side.
This is why we see so many people practices including some weird ones in Hinduism. Every tribal tradition was accepted. Stories are created to merge every local and tribal belief into the Vedic religion. Many principles of Buddhism and Jainism were also incorporated. Combining everything we see the modern Hinduism we see today.
 
finalfantasy7 said:
all i know is im punjabi, parents dont talk about the caste crap - were muslims and thats it
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Before 16th century, Punjab was mostly Hindu. Big chance your ancestors were Hindu.
Before 8th century, your ancestors could have been either Hindu/vedic or Buddhist.

Till today Pakistan still has caste system. Brahmins, Rajputs, Jatts, Gujjars, Khatris, Kanbhojs and many castes local to Pakistan. They may not say it out loud.
 
finalfantasy7 said:
all i know is im punjabi, parents dont talk about the caste crap - were muslims and thats it
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Yup. No Muslim should care about past caste or other nonsense. It is a discriminatory system anyway (similar to South African apartheid). :inti

Islam is against racism/caste-ism.

As long as we are Muslims, that's all matters.
 
Alhamdulillah, Mughal from the Barlas clan. Breakers of idols, conquerers. The light bearers to the darkness of subcontinent. Made it one of the most prosperous regions in the world. Gave the uncultured locals proper civilization, architecture and cuisine.

As the great Mughal emperor Babur once said:

“Hindustan is a place of little charm… There are no good horses, meat, grapes, melons, or other fruit."
 
Hitman said:
From my interactions with Muslims, most of them don't care what their ancestors were or what religion they converted from. They are just happy with their Muslim identity.​
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Spot on. I never kang on my family’s identity in real life. Hell i didnt even know my clan until recently. History is a more interesting subject once you grow older. You see a lot of the western born pakistanis getting dna tests because theres a lot of identity issues in the west.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Because the Brahmins accepted them as part of their religion. Even Buddha and Mahavir was accepted. But Jains remained a separate entity and preserved their beliefs. Of course they also worship Hindu deities in the side.
This is why we see so many people practices including some weird ones in Hinduism. Every tribal tradition was accepted. Stories are created to merge every local and tribal belief into the Vedic religion. Many principles of Buddhism and Jainism were also incorporated. Combining everything we see the modern Hinduism we see today.
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Theres a famous quote, which i am roughly quoting here: “If you are for everything, then you stand for nothing.”
 
sweep_shot said:
Yup. No Muslim should care about past caste or other nonsense. It is a discriminatory system anyway (similar to South African apartheid). :inti

Islam is against racism/caste-ism.

As long as we are Muslims, that's all matters.
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I find caste, genealogy, tribes, etc, to be very fascinating; the issue is when people create a hierarchy of caste and look down on others.

I mean, isn't it sad that some Hindus were condemned to clean toilets from other Hindus just from their birth?

There is nothing unislamic about studying these systems and being aware of geneology. The initial muslims of Arabia were aware of their family trees and tribal identity was part of their DNA. The issue is discriminating based on it, and thinking highly of yourself and lowly of others.
 
sweep_shot said:
Yup. No Muslim should care about past caste or other nonsense. It is a discriminatory system anyway (similar to South African apartheid). :inti

Islam is against racism/caste-ism.

As long as we are Muslims, that's all matters.
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fully agree, my whole family (including cousins) no one cares, yes we all can speak punjabi / urdu, many of my cusins speak arabic fluently - due to being imams, hafiz, = but like i said above - we considering ourselves as muslims

thats the only thing that matters.

Just like sweep shot said - islam is against caste


how come @Bhaijaan - does caste matter to you
 
Slim said:
Alhamdulillah, Mughal from the Barlas clan. Breakers of idols, conquerers. The light bearers to the darkness of subcontinent. Made it one of the most prosperous regions in the world. Gave the uncultured locals proper civilization, architecture and cuisine.

As the great Mughal emperor Babur once said:

“Hindustan is a place of little charm… There are no good horses, meat, grapes, melons, or other fruit."
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Same clan haha. Even further back my ancestors migrated from around present day Izmir in Turkey. Thing is even if we didn’t have this lineage our stance would be the same.

Alhamdullilah this caste fast nonsense never came to us.

Feel sorry for the Hindus who are still mentally shackled by man made labels of what caste they are or were and what that means for their self worth. What a pathetic existence to let other people decide your value socially.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I find caste, genealogy, tribes, etc, to be very fascinating; the issue is when people create a hierarchy of caste and look down on others.

I mean, isn't it sad that some Hindus were condemned to clean toilets from other Hindus just from their birth?

There is nothing unislamic about studying these systems and being aware of geneology. The initial muslims of Arabia were aware of their family trees and tribal identity was part of their DNA. The issue is discriminating based on it, and thinking highly of yourself and lowly of others.
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If anything knowing your lineage is something a lot of the Sahaba were experts in to the point that they could name their forefathers generations and generations removed.

It definitely is fascinating even for me, the unislamic thing as you said is when you base your whole identity to the point of feeling superior or inferior to others purely based on it.
 
Slim said:
Alhamdulillah, Mughal from the Barlas clan. Breakers of idols, conquerers.
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And then you will cry when the same medieval meds are dished back at you by others ... right ? How is that conquest of Indian Kashmir working out so far ?

Slim said:
The light bearers to the darkness of subcontinent. Made it one of the most prosperous regions in the world. Gave the uncultured locals proper civilization, architecture and cuisine.

As the great Mughal emperor Babur once said:

“Hindustan is a place of little charm… There are no good horses, meat, grapes, melons, or other fruit."
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how is that civilization, culture , prosperity and most importantly the "Light" working out so far in Pakistan and Afghanistan ? Perhaps got blinded by the intensity of the light I suppose ?
 
Suleiman said:
Same clan haha. Even further back my ancestors migrated from around present day Izmir in Turkey. Thing is even if we didn’t have this lineage our stance would be the same.

Alhamdullilah this caste fast nonsense never came to us.

Feel sorry for the Hindus who are still mentally shackled by man made labels of what caste they are or were and what that means for their self worth. What a pathetic existence to let other people decide your value socially.
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Hahaha amazing! One of my family’s side are Chagtais and other are Barlas. And apparently we came from Kashmir to the land of Potowar near independence.

Spot on about your comments regarding caste discrimination, it is very unfortunate. Mughals being my ancestors does zilch to my current life as it should. What matters is what i bring to the table as a human being. Hinduism and Hindus are a confused bunch, not mocking anyone here, but their religiousty is more about appearing superior to others in India. Thats why they are the only ones who think calling south asian muslims as “converts” is an insult.
 
Bhaijaan said:
I come from the Kaushal Punjabi Brahmin lineage like the famous actor Vicky Kaushal.

I trace my spiritual ancestry to the legendary ancient Rishi Vishvamitra who was a Kshatriya King turned Brahmarishi, one of the most powerful and complex figures in our Vedic heritage.

He didn’t inherit his sainthood but he earned it, challenging gods, traditions, and even himself in his ascent from royalty to rishi. Our gotra, Kaushika takes its name from him, and with it, a legacy of tenacity, intellect, and restlessness.

Historically, Kaushal or Kaushik Brahmins were spread across northern India, particularly in regions that were once part of ancient Kosala Desh, the same land associated with Lord Rama, and centered around Ayodhya.

Over time, branches of this lineage migrated and established deep roots in various parts of India, Punjab, Haryana, Himachal, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh, and even parts of Madhya Pradesh.

In Punjab, where my own family hails from, Kaushal Brahmins adapted to the robust, martial spirit of the land while preserving our ritual, scholarly, and spiritual traditions. In times of upheaval, many served as custodians of dharma, advisors, healers, and teachers balancing Vedic knowledge with the pragmatism the land demanded.

Now, on a more personal note: I carry within me what I believe are unmistakable echoes of my lineage.
  • A burning focus when I believe in something.
  • A temper that sparks when pushed (I’m working on that).
  • And admittedly, a certain fascination with beauty, especially in its feminine form which if you’ve read the Vishvamitra–Menaka episode, feels rather hereditary. It almost led to my downfall and pushed me to the dark side the first time around. I showed extremely resilience to come back from that pit only to be pushed back in there by Pakistanis who backstabbed me in 2025.

But just as my ancestor didn’t stop at desire, nor at anger, neither should I. Vishvamitra fell, rose, and ultimately transcended not by suppressing human experience, but by integrating and outgrowing it.

Being Kaushal is not about being perfect it’s about being in process: fiercely human, deeply spiritual, and always aiming just a little higher.

Now, although we trace our gotra to Kaushika Rishi, many of us use the more widely recognized surname “Sharma” Why? Because Sharma is a pan-Indian Brahminical honorific, derived from the Sanskrit word śarman meaning joy, comfort, or blessing. It serves as a unifying identity across different Brahmin sub-groups, especially in North India. So, while Kaushal Brahmin describes our gotra and lineage, Sharma reflects our varna and scholarly dharma, a priestly class tasked with the preservation of knowledge, ritual, and dharma.

So here I am a modern Kaushik, stuck somewhere between tapasya and traffic jams, trying to live up to a lineage that was never afraid of the fire.

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I thought Vicky Kaushal was a south indian all this time because of his skin color.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I find caste, genealogy, tribes, etc, to be very fascinating; the issue is when people create a hierarchy of caste and look down on others.

I mean, isn't it sad that some Hindus were condemned to clean toilets from other Hindus just from their birth?

There is nothing unislamic about studying these systems and being aware of geneology. The initial muslims of Arabia were aware of their family trees and tribal identity was part of their DNA. The issue is discriminating based on it, and thinking highly of yourself and lowly of others.
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I get people who find tribes and castes interesting, but as you get older, you notice the bolded part if what really concerns me - people have been forced for such along time with the above.

I do like the differences in tribes, food, language, mannerisms, architecture


However as i've became older, i've learnt more about the quran and realised thr was a big difference in even being a British Pakistani muslim, to what the quran actually taught.... and so did my parents who admitted they were practising islam incorrectly and were following cultural pakistani islam
 
Bhaijaan said:
Sanatan Dharma has shown remarkable resilience through the ages. The very fact that it continues to thrive in over a billion people today worldwide including in some nations where it’s an overwhelming minority is a powerful testament to its enduring strength. There are people holding on to it in countries where the reward and public acceptance for conversion would be a huge incentive for them and yet they choose the struggles that come with being a minority. It cannot be possible of the connection with Dharma isn’t extremely strong and personal.

It has withstood conquests, plunder, prejudice, philosophical debates, and even periods of deep self-doubt yet it remains intact and now even stands at the threshold of a spiritual and cultural renaissance. Simply extraordinary for a tradition that has never pursued expansionism, imposed harsh penalties for dissent, or coerced its followers into conformity. Hinduism at its core is a path to liberation. It encourages introspection, free thought, and open discussion, which is why it often eludes rigid definitions or simple explanations.

Even the faiths that emerged from Sanatan roots, Buddhism and Sikhism remain strong and vibrant in their own right. Like all living traditions, religions undergo change and are tested by time. Social reform is not a sign of weakness, but of vitality.
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Your religion withstood the Mughal empire because Mughals were simply not interested in converting the local population to Islam at a large scale as most Mughal emperors saw the locals with disdain and were more interested in persians. Its well recorded.
 
uppercut said:
And then you will cry when the same medieval meds are dished back at you by others ... right ? How is that conquest of Indian Kashmir working out so far ?



how is that civilization, culture , prosperity and most importantly the "Light" working out so far in Pakistan and Afghanistan ? Perhaps got blinded by the intensity of the light I suppose ?
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You sound so salty. 😭

Indian occuiped kashmir is a modern construct, my family lost everything to the British in 1700/1800s, read up history.

The light is working out fine in Pakistan, we had nothing to do with Afghan losers, my family conquered them and treated them as a lost cause back then as well.
 
Slim said:
You sound so salty. 😭

Indian occuiped kashmir is a modern construct, my family lost everything to the British in 1700/1800s, read up history.
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But then whats this fuss about "Kashmir banega Pakistan" ? Many wars later how many inches of Indian Kashmir have you "Conquered" considering how you are flexing about these things ?

Slim said:
The light is working out fine in Pakistan, we had nothing to do with Afghan losers,
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doing fine as in "Fueled" by the 24th IMF bailout I suppose ? How about trying the good old fashion route of looting others ? Plenty of wealthy temples in India today you know. And as a bonus you get to break the idols which you consider as some sort of "achievement".


Slim said:
my family conquered them and treated them as a lost cause back then as well.
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So did the Marathas when they kicked out Mughals ... might want to read up on some real history.
 
I was hoping I would have a bit of Mughal blood. But, that wasn't the case. ROFL.

I did a DNA test a few months ago. I am apparently 96% Bengali, 2% Sri Lankan, and 2% South Indian in terms of ancestry. :yk

Again, my ancestry has no relevance to me. Only thing I care about is my Muslim identity. But, it was cool to know my origin.

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sweep_shot said:
I was hoping I would have a bit of Mughal blood. But, that wasn't the case. ROFL.

I did a DNA test a few months ago. I am apparently 96% Bengali, 2% Sri Lankan, and 2% South Indian in terms of ancestry. :yk

Again, my ancestry has no relevance to me. Only thing I care about is my Muslim identity. But, it was cool to know my origin.

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Is this from 23 and me?
 
DeadlyVenom said:
There was a website that provides further analysis but it seems like it's gone now. You could have taken your data from ancestry and upload it.
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I see.

Ancestry.com also gave me my character traits based on genetics. They gave me around 90 character traits.

Anyway, I don't want more details as it costs money. LOL. These basic information are enough for me. I just wanted to know my origin. :inti
 
sweep_shot said:
I was hoping I would have a bit of Mughal blood. But, that wasn't the case. ROFL.

I did a DNA test a few months ago. I am apparently 96% Bengali, 2% Sri Lankan, and 2% South Indian in terms of ancestry. :yk

Again, my ancestry has no relevance to me. Only thing I care about is my Muslim identity. But, it was cool to know my origin.

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Bengalis have a very distinct phenotype. I can easily differentiate a bengali from an indian/pakistani unless they are a bihari then i know they are indian. Bengalis have a little bit more asiatic features and facial hair texture is also a giveaway.
 
Slim said:
Bengalis have a very distinct phenotype. I can easily differentiate a bengali from an indian/pakistani unless they are a bihari then i know they are indian. Bengalis have a little bit more asiatic features and facial hair texture is also a giveaway.
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Agree. I can differentiate too.

Bengalis are somewhere in the middle of Indian/Pakistani and Sri Lankans. I am talking about ethnic ones (like myself); not the muhajirs or mixed ones.
 
uppercut said:
But then whats this fuss about "Kashmir banega Pakistan" ? Many wars later how many inches of Indian Kashmir have you "Conquered" considering how you are flexing about these things ?



doing fine as in "Fueled" by the 24th IMF bailout I suppose ? How about trying the good old fashion route of looting others ? Plenty of wealthy temples in India today you know. And as a bonus you get to break the idols which you consider as some sort of "achievement".




So did the Marathas when they kicked out Mughals ... might want to read up on some real history.
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Can you please look up history and stop asking me to explain everything to you? Pakistanis managed to gain back a huge tract of Kashmiri land in the form of Gilgit Baltistan and Azad Kashmir. I thought these things are common knowledge, did you miss out on history lessons in school or something?

I hope those wealthy temples can be utilized to feed an extremely improvished and poor india where more than 20 crore indians earn less than 3 dollars a day. More than Pakistan’s population. Your country is so broke thats why you all are running to literally every nook and corner of the world. Uganada, Iceland and Fiji, where no one even wants to go has indians.

Marathas didnt kick any Mughals lmfao, your shivaji was kissing Aurangzeb’s feet and was pardoned by him to only stab in the back.
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sweep_shot said:
I was hoping I would have a bit of Mughal blood. But, that wasn't the case. ROFL.

I did a DNA test a few months ago. I am apparently 96% Bengali, 2% Sri Lankan, and 2% South Indian in terms of ancestry. :yk

Again, my ancestry has no relevance to me. Only thing I care about is my Muslim identity. But, it was cool to know my origin.

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i did this yrs ago - around 15yrs ago, i keep getting updates from the company (British Jewish guy - created this company) mine initially came back as 85% punjabi cant remember the other 14% but then 1 percent australian aborigine - that was going by so called theory off aborigines had indian dna,

well few yrs ago - received a update - now im 100% punjabi only
 
Slim said:
As the great Mughal emperor Babur once said:

“Hindustan is a place of little charm… There are no good horses, meat, grapes, melons, or other fruit."
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Alhamdulillah, beautiful quote, having influences like Babur pretty much sums up one of the reasons why Pakistan is now gone for good never to see redemption again.

Bravo brother 😇 👏 👏
 
finalfantasy7 said:
i did this yrs ago - around 15yrs ago, i keep getting updates from the company (British Jewish guy - created this company) mine initially came back as 85% punjabi cant remember the other 14% but then 1 percent australian aborigine - that was going by so called theory off aborigines had indian dna,

well few yrs ago - received a update - now im 100% punjabi only
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I see.

Looks like they messed up initially.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Alhamdulillah, beautiful quote, having influences like Babur pretty much sums up one of the reasons why Pakistan is now gone for good never to see redemption again.

Bravo brother 😇 👏 👏
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What happened to vishwaguru India which is an absolute dump? At least we are not buck broken like the poverty stricken indian population and are up on the happiness index.

Im sure its gonna flow above your head, but quoting Babur shows how India was completely worthless before Mughals came and made it one of the most prosperous regions in the world.
 
sweep_shot said:
I see.

Looks like they messed up initially.
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they keep changing based on getting more data from other people, cos essentially they compare your dna to groups of which ancestry is known, so the bigger that sample data gets, the more accurate ur dna make up.

mine got updated recently too, my northern indian went down to 93%, my southern indian and gujrati went up and apparently im also northern italian as well as veitnamese or some kinda far eastern now, lol. the somali disappeared.
 
ElRaja said:
they keep changing based on getting more data from other people, cos essentially they compare your dna to groups of which ancestry is known, so the bigger that sample data gets, the more accurate ur dna make up.

mine got updated recently too, my northern indian went down to 93%, my southern indian and gujrati went up and apparently im also northern italian as well as veitnamese or some kinda far eastern now, lol. the somali disappeared.
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LOL. Wow!

I wonder if mine will be changed too. :inti
 
Champ_Pal said:
It is.
Modern Hinduism only started after the initial Arab invasion of Sindh.

Prior to that, the subcontinent has various Dharmic faiths. Some theistic and some atheistic.
Vedic region, Yakshas, Gandharvas are theistic and believe in supernatural beings. Modern Hinduism primarily consists of these 3 beliefs.
Buddhism, Jainism and Ajivakas are atheistic. Buddhism was wiped out by 12th century in India. Jainism still is going strong in small pockets. Ajivakas went extinct by 7th century with only small numbers surviving till 12th century.

Buddhism is getting revived in India with the neo ambedkarites aka Dalits embracing it in large numbers.

Indian culture is a constantly evolving one. Many of the Muslims in India are backward caste converts. They form 90% of the Indian Muslim population. The remaining 10% are converts from Brahmins, Rajputs, Jatts and Gujjars. A tiny percentage may have Persian, Afghan and Mongol ancestry. They are the cream of the crop.

Bollywood actors come from the tiny Muslim population of foreign ancestry and the upper caste Hindu and Sikh people.
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Aren't there Hindu Bollywood actors too or are most Bollywood actors Muslims (would be great if that were the case).
 
rickroll said:
Aren't there Hindu Bollywood actors too or are most Bollywood actors Muslims (would be great if that were the case).
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Majority superstars since Amitabh Bacchan have been Khans with Afghan ancestry.
Then Bollywood has always been dominated by Punjabi Karri and some Sikhs(Deol clan), Ranveer Singh etc.
Bollywood female leads have been very diverse. Muslim female leads had their run until 70’s. Zeenat Aman was the last superstar female lead. Since then, it’s mostly Hindu women from various parts of India.
The dominance of Khans is pretty much over. They are all over 60 now. Even Hritik Roshan is 50.
 
ElRaja said:
they keep changing based on getting more data from other people, cos essentially they compare your dna to groups of which ancestry is known, so the bigger that sample data gets, the more accurate ur dna make up.

mine got updated recently too, my northern indian went down to 93%, my southern indian and gujrati went up and apparently im also northern italian as well as veitnamese or some kinda far eastern now, lol. the somali disappeared.
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Bro that is a crazy spread 😂

It shows how stupid basing your personality on social status of ancestors is… you can literally pick and choose which region of your ancestry you want to identify with.
 
Slim said:
Your religion withstood the Mughal empire because Mughals were simply not interested in converting the local population to Islam at a large scale as most Mughal emperors saw the locals with disdain and were more interested in persians. Its well recorded.
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Sikhism came into being primarily because Aurangzeb had ordered convert or die furman on Kashmiri Brahmins.
 
sweep_shot said:
I was hoping I would have a bit of Mughal blood. But, that wasn't the case. ROFL.

I did a DNA test a few months ago. I am apparently 96% Bengali, 2% Sri Lankan, and 2% South Indian in terms of ancestry. :yk

Again, my ancestry has no relevance to me. Only thing I care about is my Muslim identity. But, it was cool to know my origin.

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Are you from the lineage of the great bangali ancient Brahmins?
 
Bhaijaan said:
Sikhism came into being primarily because Aurangzeb had ordered convert or die furman on Kashmiri Brahmins.
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Lol wut? sikhism came into being 150 years before Aurangzeb’s birth.


Also the whole episode of forced conversions of Sikhs/Brahmins in Kashmir is heavily fabricated by Sikhs. No credible records found in neutral sources. No surviving imperial farman exists. Another tale made up for sikhs to pat themselves on the back. It didnt even exist in their own sikhs records until a decade later. Not the first time sikhs have fabricated stories to exalt themselves. Read up saffron bhai.
 
Slim said:
Lol wut? sikhism came into being 150 years before Aurangzeb’s birth.


Also the whole episode of forced conversions of Sikhs/Brahmins in Kashmir is heavily fabricated by Sikhs. No credible records found in neutral sources. No surviving imperial farman exists. Another tale made up for sikhs to pat themselves on the back. It didnt even exist in their own sikhs records until a decade later. Not the first time sikhs have fabricated stories to exalt themselves. Read up saffron bhai.
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You are confusing Khalsa with Nanakism.
Most sikhs believe true Sikhism came into being with in 1699 when the son of Guru Teg Bahadur created Khalsa.
 
Bhaijaan said:
You are confusing Khalsa with Nanakism.
Most sikhs believe true Sikhism came into being with in 1699 when the son of Guru Teg Bahadur created Khalsa.
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I dont take sikhism seriously, but thats my personal opinion. If theres any main stream religion that can be seriously criticized as totally man made, thats Sikhism.

Anyway, thats a topic for another thread.

Like i said, no mass conversions happened under Mughals and that is just factually correct. They were not interested. You can thank the Mughals that you are still Hindu. :)
 
Slim said:
I dont take sikhism seriously, but thats my personal opinion. If theres any main stream religion that can be seriously criticized as totally man made, thats Sikhism.

Anyway, thats a topic for another thread.

Like i said, no mass conversions happened under Mughals and that is just factually correct. They were not interested. You can thank the Mughals that you are still Hindu. :)
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Brahmins were fiercely protected by Hindu warrior lordships and were respected by Mughals. They received safe passage because of being highly valuable. In the old times, the two most powerful commodities were swordsmen and knowledgeable men.
 
Slim said:
What happened to vishwaguru India which is an absolute dump? At least we are not buck broken like the poverty stricken indian population and are up on the happiness index.

Im sure its gonna flow above your head, but quoting Babur shows how India was completely worthless before Mughals came and made it one of the most prosperous regions in the world.
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You know right historically India was always one of the most prosperous nation in the world? GDP wise either first and second alternating with China?
 
Bhaijaan said:
Brahmins were fiercely protected by Hindu warrior lordships and were respected by Mughals. They received safe passage because of being highly valuable. In the old times, the two most powerful commodities were swordsmen and knowledgeable men.
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Lol @ hindu warriors. The only thing hindus “warriors” knew is to get invaded and pounded by foreigners. The biggest hindu warriors, the Rajputs, are till date mocked by opposing castes such as Marathas as “Mughal poots”. And Marathas themselves were pounded by Mughals. The only thing the warriors are good at is dancing at the grave of Aurangzeb and making propaganda movies to pleasure themselves.
 
anikrc1 said:
You know right historically India was always one of the most prosperous nation in the world? GDP wise either first and second alternating with China?
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India did not exist before British India and later modern day India. It was never a country or a united empire. The closest it was during the times of Gurkanis (Mughals).

Sorry for digressing but it had to be explained, any sources on your claim?
 
Slim said:
India did not exist before British India and later modern day India. It was never a country or a united empire. The closest it was during the times of Gurkanis (Mughals).
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Ehhh? What about the mauryan empire, or the Gupta empire? But anyway, that's beside the point. The point is whether the region that the Mughals united were already prosperous or not. You can see that gdp wise indian region was always first or second along with the chinese before the Mughals came, and it remained the same in time of the Mughals. So how did the Mughals made india prosper? Or was it always prosperous?
 
anikrc1 said:
Ehhh? What about the mauryan empire, or the Gupta empire? But anyway, that's beside the point. The point is whether the region that the Mughals united were already prosperous or not. You can see that gdp wise indian region was always first or second along with the chinese before the Mughals came, and it remained the same in time of the Mughals. So how did the Mughals made india prosper? Or was it always prosperous?
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It’s funny when Islamists say Mughals settled in India and made it their home as if they had better choices.
 
ElRaja said:
they keep changing based on getting more data from other people, cos essentially they compare your dna to groups of which ancestry is known, so the bigger that sample data gets, the more accurate ur dna make up.

mine got updated recently too, my northern indian went down to 93%, my southern indian and gujrati went up and apparently im also northern italian as well as veitnamese or some kinda far eastern now, lol. the somali disappeared.
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Same thing happened to me.

Gujarati Patidar went up to .2% and central Asian 2%. Rest was Northern Indian
 
Slim said:
India did not exist before British India and later modern day India. It was never a country or a united empire. The closest it was during the times of Gurkanis (Mughals).

Sorry for digressing but it had to be explained, any sources on your claim?
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Yes this is a myth presented by modern Hindus in particular, it has little historical significance. The whole region was divided.
 
anikrc1 said:
Ehhh? What about the mauryan empire, or the Gupta empire? But anyway, that's beside the point. The point is whether the region that the Mughals united were already prosperous or not. You can see that gdp wise indian region was always first or second along with the chinese before the Mughals came, and it remained the same in time of the Mughals. So how did the Mughals made india prosper? Or was it always prosperous?
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It was prosperous before.

Mughals entered after instally defeating the prosperous Delhi sultanate.
 
Israel also made the barren land of Philistine prosperous and one of the most technologically advanced places in the world. Now all the worlds leading multinational companies have their offices in properous Israel. So I am not sure why posters here weep at the plight of Palestanians.

Making a land prosperous and building empire on it at the expense of local blood should be criticized. Mughals and Delhi Sultanates did 10 times worse to native Indians than what Israelis did to Palestinians. However, biased posters here glorify Islamic invaders of India but shed crocodile tear for Palestine.

#HypocritesOnAction
 
I was wrong. Actually the percentage of gdp share with respect to the population share worsened in Mughal era, negating any claim of prosperity due to Mughals.
 
Rajdeep said:
Israel also made the barren land of Philistine prosperous and one of the most technologically advanced places in the world. Now all the worlds leading multinational companies have their offices in properous Israel.

#HypocritesOnAction
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Well Jews actually work hard, they do the hard yards instead of being lazy by sitting on their holy book and reciting prayers all day hoping for divine intervention..

When the British split that area up, all the good portions like Jordan etc were given to the Muslims and the Jews were given the swamp land where nothing would grow and had little hope. However Jews with their hard work, perseverance, dedication did a 360 and turned that land into a fertile, prosperous land that you see today.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Well Jews actually work hard, they do the hard yards instead of being lazy by sitting on their holy book and reciting prayers all day hoping for divine intervention..

When the British split that area up, all the good portions like Jordan etc were given to the Muslims and the Jews were given the swamp land where nothing would grow and had little hope. However Jews with their hard work, perseverance, dedication did a 360 and turned that land into a fertile, prosperous land that you see today.
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Jews have remarkable conviction.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Well Jews actually work hard, they do the hard yards instead of being lazy by sitting on their holy book and reciting prayers all day hoping for divine intervention..
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division of labour, the eldest boy in every family does indeed sit on the holy book reciting prayers hoping for divine intervention, the rest have to get to work, lol.
 
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