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Best Test team - India
Best ODI team - Australia
Best T20I team - New Zealand

Strong contenders IMO - India, SA and Australia
 
Definitely not India if you take all formats into account. India hasnt been that great in ODIs. I am not talking about just results but players as well. South Africa, Australia, England are ahead of India in LOIs. Overall it's between England and South Africa.
 
South Africa, England and Nz struggle to win big tournaments i.e. either in odis or t20s.

Pakistan are poor LOI sides.

So, its between India and Australia.

Personally, I will say India as tests are more prioritized formats of the game.
 
King Kong said:
Definitely not India if you take all formats into account. India hasnt been that great in ODIs. I am not talking about just results but players as well. South Africa, Australia, England are ahead of India in LOIs. Overall it's between England and South Africa.
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England has been very mediocre in tests off lately.

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for instance my mind goes for india.. then comes there odi performances.. so dumped..
for pak no case
aus good in tests odi
eng competitive in both formats arpund the world..
aus good and competitve home(just like ind but ind is winning everything in home)
sa again good and competitove around the globe


these are not stat oriented views.. they are just my views following cricket.

so for me eng or sa..
and giving edge to eng for their exciting players..
 
@ mods - can we have a poll pls.

So far
England - 1
SA - 1
Aus - 2
India - 1
Pakistan - 1
 
In all honesty, I think our ODI team has stagnated a bit. The test team is coming on nicely at the moment, but the ODI team needs some rejuvenation. I would put Australia, South Africa and probably England too ahead of us at the moment.

Would like us to play this line up soon:

Rohit Sharma
Shikhar Dhawan
Virat Kohli (c)
Lokesh Rahul
Manish Pandey
Rishabh Pant (wk)
Hardik Pandya
Ravi Jadeja
Ravi Ashwin
Mohammed Shami
Jasprit Bumrah

Reserves: Mandeep Singh, Karun Nair, Samson, Axar, Chahal, Bhuvi, Yadav.
 
Obviously India.
1st In Test
3rd in ODI
2nd in T20.
Only team in top 3, in every format and has the best w/l ratio in recent t20/odi tournaments.
 
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Kaptan said:
Obviously India.
1st In Test
3rd in ODI
2nd in T20.
Only team in top 3, in every format.
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Purely out of curiosity, do you personally genuinely believe India are the 3rd best ODI and 2nd best t20i team in the world right now?
 
In ODI ,India is behind Australia and South Africa. In my view england and india are at the same level, ODI series in Jan will make things a bit clear.
In T20 no one can predict. But since you have asked according to me, West Indies is the best team second comes NZ and for the third place its a tie between England and India. Recently, we hammered Australia 3-0 in Australia and we also won the Asia cup t20 (unbeaten).
So according to me India is 3rd best in both ODI and T20.
 
Only India maintains Top3 position in all formats. So without any doubt INDIA is the best team in all formates.
Top teams in all formats
1 India
2 AUS
3 SA
4 Eng
5 NZ
6 WI =SL
7 Bangladesh = Pakisthan
8 Afghanistan's = Zimbabwe
9 Ireland
 
HitWicket said:
Purely out of curiosity, do you personally genuinely believe India are the 3rd best ODI and 2nd best t20i team in the world right now?
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Well if you consider the bench strength , there is no reason they are not the best in LOIs . you could argue the playing 11 lately for ODI and T20s havent been as good as they can be , but India is not short of talent for these formats . Some small tweaks needed thats all .
 
India quite easily. Second would be Australia, then South Africa.
 
SA.

They have beaten Australia in Australia in a test series.

They have beaten India, England, and Australia in ODI series.
 
Ankit007 said:
Sour grapes.


On topic. Its india and SA at par.
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India almost lost to NZ at home in ODIs. Aussies will most likely beat them there. India also are poor in places like Aus and Eng when playing Test matches. SA just beat Aussies in Tests and ODIs convincingly. Also destroyed NZ recently which people forget.
 
As impressive a feat it was, SA winning in Australia is not too much dissimilar to India or Pakistan winning in Sri Lanka or vice versa.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Has to be South Africa. India can't win away from home in both main formats.
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How can you say it about ODIs. We won our last series in England in ODIs. We reached semis in Aus WC 2015.... However I agree for SA, but India is not very behind as well...
 
Rayyman said:
India almost lost to NZ at home in ODIs. Aussies will most likely beat them there. India also are poor in places like Aus and Eng when playing Test matches. SA just beat Aussies in Tests and ODIs convincingly. Also destroyed NZ recently which people forget.
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We won convincingly in games we won against NZ... Lost matches were close too... What are you talking about?

When did I say SA are not good. I just said SA and India both are doing great in all formats currently...
 
Ankit007 said:
How can you say it about ODIs. We won our last series in England in ODIs. We reached semis in Aus WC 2015.... However I agree for SA, but India is not very behind as well...
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Not very well behind. But still behind.
1. South Africa
3. Australia
 
It's quite clearly India tbh. Think people are being a bit biased, don't think it's even close if you consider all three formats.
 
Ankit007 said:
How can you say it about ODIs. We won our last series in England in ODIs. We reached semis in Aus WC 2015.... However I agree for SA, but India is not very behind as well...
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Australia, SA, NZ? Lost in both formats. You'd expect better from supposedly by the best overall team.
 
South Africa after their test win in Australia look to be back at their best. So I'll give them the edge.

India on the other hand have been doing very well in all formats this year.

We beat Aus 3-0 in T20's, impressive T20 WC performance.

In ODI's we beat NZ 3-2 although the 2 we lost were more due to choke than anything. It should have been a 5-0 if India was at its best.

Tests, we beat WI, crushed NZ and Eng.
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Australia, SA, NZ? Lost in both formats. You'd expect better from supposedly by the best overall team.
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SA, NZ Aus have lost 3-0, 3-0, 4-0 respectively in India. So I guess you'd also expect better from supposedly the best overall team? Aus and NZ lost their ODI series to India. Only SA beat us in LOI's.
 
Only SA can be considered better than India; and that can be argued too... India is best team otherwise in all formats at the moment...
 
South Africa because apart from being very good at home they are probably the only team in the world that can also do well away.
 
ads101 said:
It's quite clearly India tbh. Think people are being a bit biased, don't think it's even close if you consider all three formats.
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I think 2 years is recent enough period with a decent sample size. If we go by 4 years then you have the ranking, but I think 4 years is too long a period to seeing current strength of teams. Let's see test , ODI and T-20 W/L in this period for three names thrown above by majority of posters.

ODI W/L in the last 2 years:

Aus - 2.2
SA - 1.8
Ind - 1.3

Aus is clearly the best ODI team, not only by this W/L, but taking account of WC performance as well. Then I will put SA and Ind.

Test W/L in the last 2 years:

Aus - 1.5
SA - 0.8
Ind - 14

India has done here far better. Yah, lots of games at home, but 14 W/L means they are playing fantastic cricket. It doesn't mean that they are 14 times better than someone having W/L around 1 , but you have to play really well to get that kind performance.

T20 W/L in the last 2 years:

Aus - 0.8
SA - 1.5
Ind - 2

India has done better than both and Aus is honestly a poor T-20 team.


Given most fans put more weight to the Test, Indian dominance in the last 2 years should put them ahead. If you give equal weight then Aus has case due to winning WC, but they have been poor in T-20 and not really impressive in the test format in the last 2 years.

On performance, I won't out SA. On potential, I can put SA, but going by performance across all formats, It should be India.
 
1) India
2) England
3) South Africa
4) Australia
5) New Zealand
6) Pakistan
7) Sri Lanka
8) West Indies
9) Bangladesh
10) Zimbabwe
 
Mamoon said:
1) India
2) England
3) South Africa
4) Australia
5) New Zealand
6) Pakistan
7) Sri Lanka
8) West Indies
9) Bangladesh
10) Zimbabwe
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In the test format, here is Eng performance.

Eng at home - last 2 years

Drew 1-1 against NZ
Drew 1-1 against Pakistan
Won 3-2 against Aus
Won 2-0 against SL

Eng away - last 2 years

Drew 1-1 in WI
Drew 1-1 in BD
Lost 0-2 in UAE
Lost 0-4 in Ind
Won 2-1 in SA

So pretty much just one noteworthy performance in the last 2 years in SA. To balance that one good series, Eng has draw at home against NZ and Pakistan at home. On top of that Eng has draw against 8th and 9th ranked team away even if we not talk about Eng performance in UAE and India. Over all a very ordinary performance in the test format in the last 2 years. In ODI, I think they are right on track with new approach and mindset, but I will still give them some time.
 
SA look great at ODIs until a meaningful tournament comes around. overrated. India is best across all formats at the moment.
 
actually none...

only team which comes near to it is South Africa.
 
ODIs
Last 2 ICC tournaments

CT - winners India. England finalists. SA semifinalists.
WC - semi finalists + group stage winners India. England group stages. SA semi finalists, 2nd in group behind India.

ODI ranking - 3 India, 5 England, 2 South Africa.

T20
Last 2 ICC tournaments

Finalist, semifinalist India. Semifinalist, group stage SA. Group stage, finalist England.

T20 ranking - 2 India, 3 South Africa, 4 England

Tests

Test ranking - 1 India, 4 South Africa, 5 England.


PP logic - India is way behind SA and England.

Reality - all formats. India > SA >>>> Aus > England.


I am not sure if the overrating of England on this board is a result of Pakistan drawing a series there or preceded that.
 
Quality of Cricket is so bad compared to the sides 10-15 years back. India despite being #1 in test will still lose most of the test matches away to England, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa. Rankings for 3 formats is too much. I like how they go with the women's rankings where they have 1 for all formats.
 
Laughable England are even being mentioned here, their Test record is nothing to write on about and have failed in the last ODI WC.

It's between India, Aus and SA for mine, I give the edge to India as they're number 1 in Tests and are always solid in ICC events.
 
Buffet said:
In the test format, here is Eng performance.

Eng at home - last 2 years

Drew 1-1 against NZ
Drew 1-1 against Pakistan
Won 3-2 against Aus
Won 2-0 against SL

Eng away - last 2 years

Drew 1-1 in WI
Drew 1-1 in BD
Lost 0-2 in UAE
Lost 0-4 in Ind
Won 2-1 in SA

So pretty much just one noteworthy performance in the last 2 years in SA. To balance that one good series, Eng has draw at home against NZ and Pakistan at home. On top of that Eng has draw against 8th and 9th ranked team away even if we not talk about Eng performance in UAE and India. Over all a very ordinary performance in the test format in the last 2 years. In ODI, I think they are right on track with new approach and mindset, but I will still give them some time.
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May fall outside the 2 year period, but they also lost a home series to a very average SL side. Easily the most overrated team in world cricket atm and have made a name for themselves by beating a far than settled SA side.
 
SA looks terrificin in both formats

Washing out aus at home and winning test in their den is no small feat
 
1. India
2. England
3. SA
4. Australia

England have done well if we take series results into consideration rather than individual matches. They were also finalists in T20 World cup.
 
Aman said:
Laughable England are even being mentioned here, their Test record is nothing to write on about and have failed in the last ODI WC.

It's between India, Aus and SA for mine, I give the edge to India as they're number 1 in Tests and are always solid in ICC events.
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Agreed completely. Even NZ has a case to be at par to Eng.

In tests, Eng are just slightly better than NZ as the former has struggled to beat Asian teams at home unlike the kiwis.The only thing Eng has in favour is beating SA in SA although they lost to SA at home too.

In odis and t20s combined, NZ is anyways better than England.
 
Tests: India
ODIs: Australia
T20: West Indies

It's hard to pick, Australia are OK in tests and excellent in ODIs but poor in T20, West Indies are only good at T20. I suppose India all round, good at tests and OK in both short formats.
 
Looks like England's honeymoon period is over. They are easily behind IND, PAK, SAF & AUS. I know, ENG won last 2 Series against AUS & SAF away; but within next year, scores will be settled. Even in ODI, I need to see what was behind Poms resurgence - I am not sure if it's Bayliss mantra or Azzu's mantra; may be a 3-2 win in IND should prove that they are at least better than Kiwis.

This one is for combined best team - going by results, it has to be IND now. Almost unbeatable at home in Test, quite decent in ODI & more than decent in T20. However, apart from results, it's also true that IND has a series of home matches against 3/4 non Asian sides - they have to do better than their guests away in return series. Before that, I actually will rank IND 3rd, just behind SAF & AUS. These days, everyone is HTB - but Aussies are unbeatable in ODI everywhere (well, almost, that 5-0 is unexplainable - both tams were missing key players) barring IND, they are very good T20 side & equally as tough as IND at home in Test. Overall SAF is the most balanced side, which won a Test Series in AUS, ODI Series in IND & they'll do well in other part of Asia as well, I keep them at top.

After those 3, Poms are behind PAK, probably Kiwis as well. SRL will get hammered by IND in Asia in every format & lose to PAK as well; probably will come 2nd to BD also in home & away head to heads; but they did beat Aussies 3-0 in Test & should do something similar to Poms & Kiwis at home. They won a Test series in UK as well, just about 2 years back (And both teams got robbed in last away ODI head to heads) - so, I can justify putting Poms behind Lanka well; and they are inches ahead of us :) for that mad rush in 1st ODI .......... but, this one'll be a bit too much, even for pulling an English leg; Poms are better team than SRL, BD, WI & NZ oblate. :(:(
 
MMHS said:
Looks like England's honeymoon period is over. They are easily behind IND, PAK, SAF & AUS. I know, ENG won last 2 Series against AUS & SAF away; but within next year, scores will be settled. Even in ODI, I need to see what was behind Poms resurgence - I am not sure if it's Bayliss mantra or Azzu's mantra; may be a 3-2 win in IND should prove that they are at least better than Kiwis.

This one is for combined best team - going by results, it has to be IND now. Almost unbeatable at home in Test, quite decent in ODI & more than decent in T20. However, apart from results, it's also true that IND has a series of home matches against 3/4 non Asian sides - they have to do better than their guests away in return series. Before that, I actually will rank IND 3rd, just behind SAF & AUS. These days, everyone is HTB - but Aussies are unbeatable in ODI everywhere (well, almost, that 5-0 is unexplainable - both tams were missing key players) barring IND, they are very good T20 side & equally as tough as IND at home in Test. Overall SAF is the most balanced side, which won a Test Series in AUS, ODI Series in IND & they'll do well in other part of Asia as well, I keep them at top.

After those 3, Poms are behind PAK, probably Kiwis as well. SRL will get hammered by IND in Asia in every format & lose to PAK as well; probably will come 2nd to BD also in home & away head to heads; but they did beat Aussies 3-0 in Test & should do something similar to Poms & Kiwis at home. They won a Test series in UK as well, just about 2 years back (And both teams got robbed in last away ODI head to heads) - so, I can justify putting Poms behind Lanka well; and they are inches ahead of us :) for that mad rush in 1st ODI .......... but, this one'll be a bit too much, even for pulling an English leg; Poms are better team than SRL, BD, WI & NZ oblate. :(:(
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Pakistan are definitely not better than us overall, they were thumped by a weak NZ side in NZ, drew 1-1 in the UAE and are well behind us in LOI's.

India
SA
Australia
----- big drop off
NZ, Pakistan and England
 
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If you ask me this is how I would rate them like so

1. South Africa
2. India
3. Australia

Although I think India and Australia are very close I just gave India the edge since India beat Australia 3-0 in T20's. I don't think Aus can whitewash India in any format in India.
 
QalandarFan said:
If you ask me this is how I would rate them like so

1. South Africa
2. India
3. Australia

Although I think India and Australia are very close I just gave India the edge since India beat Australia 3-0 in T20's. I don't think Aus can whitewash India in any format in India.
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Yeah, I'd go with the same.
 
I'd say SA. Beat India in India in both limited over formats. Upon realisation they couldn't compete with SA on normal wickets, they had no option but to doctor them. Which is understandable i suppose.
Destroyed Australia in the ODI's. Once again there were a few inane murmurs of an understrength bowling attack. Across the sea they traveled, met the much vaunted "full strength" bowling attack. The results were no different.
SA is probably the one side that could compete well in all conditions when everyone is fit.
But no team is far and away.
 
I'll go with South Africa they have beaten India, Australia, and England in recent Odis series. They have just beaten Australia and have a good test record over the 6/7 years. They still choke in icc tournaments though. India is a close 2nd, if they can compete and win series in Australia, NZ, England, and SA I'll give them the edge.

So SA for me.
 
Pakistan is the best team currently !! Plus were the only nation in the world that communicates in Urdu on the field.

That in itself makes our race, team and performance superior to any opposition that we play against.
 
soso_killer said:
I'd say SA. Beat India in India in both limited over formats. Upon realisation they couldn't compete with SA on normal wickets, they had no option but to doctor them. Which is understandable i suppose.
Destroyed Australia in the ODI's. Once again there were a few inane murmurs of an understrength bowling attack. Across the sea they traveled, met the much vaunted "full strength" bowling attack. The results were no different.
SA is probably the one side that could compete well in all conditions when everyone is fit.
But no team is far and away.
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SA fared badly in Bangladesh test as well and was poor on flat wicket of Bangalore (the game that got washed out to save SA from whitewash). But it is understandable.

Not to forget their means to win have been a bit dodgy. #zippergate :faf
 
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Aman said:
Pakistan are definitely not better than us overall, they were thumped by a weak NZ side in NZ, drew 1-1 in the UAE and are well behind us in LOI's.

India
SA
Australia
----- big drop off
NZ, Pakistan and England
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More or less true - Kiwis are different team at home & they did finished squire in UAE, though that was a different Kiwi team, but still I think they'll definitely get better of Azhar's lot even now in UAE. This is why I say that we are in the weakest era of cricket, definitely Test & may be ODI as well as there is no icon team who can challenge the odds. Even a far better Kiwi team had a horror show in BD & I am afraid they'll settle scores this time at home.

However, last part of my post was to tickle Poms here (& one Pakistani Pom fan :(), who had a better of mine when people thought Root, Woakes, Stokes, Adil & Moeen were like born again Greg Chappel, Kallis, Botham, Benaud & Carl Hooper; while I thought they had to play 12 Tests is Asia & AUS before pigs can fly..................
 
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