Which nation has the worst history?

[TM Riddle]

I would go with Spain.
What they did with the natives of Americas is unthinkable.

 

[Rayyman]

India

 

[TSA321]

South Sudan

 

[Syed1]

England



Ruled over half the world and drained them off their wealth and resources and called it Commonwealth to add insult to injury



There is a reason why nations occupying even the same island as them hate them.

 

[Mamoon]

Great Britain.

 

[Rayyman]

Israel

 

[Slog]

Evil Britain if you are talking about current countries

 

[TM Riddle]

Great Britain.

Not a GB ****** but England at least has a few good things to show on her CV even though the atrocities far outweigh the good stuff.

What's your opinion on Spanish Inquisitors?

 

[Syed1]

Evil Britain if you are talking about current countries

Not to forget the Kashmir and Palestine issues are Britain's gift to the world

 

[KingKhanWC]

In terms of time span, Britains lengthy rule over the world caused damage for hundreds of years.

In terms of most damage in the least time, nobody comes close to the USA.

Israel is the next in line to take over the throne.

 

[pakistan cricket fan]

England
America
Israel

 

[TM Riddle]

Guys I know England absolutely pummeled Pakistan today on the field but come on don't let emotions cloud your judgement

 

[Syed1]

Guys I know England absolutely pummeled Pakistan today on the field but come on don't let emotions cloud your judgement

That's actually funny )

 

[good guy]

Cambodia only reason is Pol Pot

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Guys I know England absolutely pummeled Pakistan today on the field but come on don't let emotions cloud your judgement

POTW

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Great Britain.

There's a reason why you yourself have put Great in front of Britain. Subconsciously you know the truth of it.

 

[Kroll]

The British could argue theirs is a great history. A not so great history could be attributed to Germany especially due to the second world war and the role it played for its emergence and subsequent large scale suffering.

 

[babajee]

England and India

 

[Mamoon]

There's a reason why you yourself have put Great in front of Britain. Subconsciously you know the truth of it.

As Ollivander days in Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone, you can do great but terrible things.

The grandeur of British imperialism cannot be understated, but they are guilty of some of the biggest crimes and atrocities in history of mankind.

 

[Mamoon]

Not a GB ****** but England at least has a few good things to show on her CV even though the atrocities far outweigh the good stuff.

What's your opinion on Spanish Inquisitors?

You can make a case for many, including the Spanish. Even the Muslim invaders deserve a mention, they plundered nations, looted and raped women in order to spread Islam by the might of the sword.

Moreover, the Mongols’ tyranny turned Central Asia upside down, and then you have the Japanese who were merciless in dealing with the Chinese and the Koreans.

Belgium often slips under the radar as a sedate European nation, but they are single-handedly responsible for the demise of Congo.

The Ottomans have Armenian blood on their hands, while the Timurid and Russian Empiries have well-documented atrorocites as well.

However, they all pale in comparison to the crimes of Britain. Apart from the multiple genocides and famines, they are responsible from pretty much all the conflicts in the modern world. The Middle East is a basket case today because of their policies.

Nonetheless, there always two sides to a coin and your perspective depends on which side you are on. Every villain is another man’s hero. One can argue that the British have done some good things too - the Indian subcontinent would have been 500 years behind the West had Britain not colonized the region.

 

[Mamoon]

Nonetheless, all the British Pakistanis who said Britain should pack their bags and leave the country.

Why enjoy their services and facilities, seek benefits from their economy when you consider them tyrannical?

The hypocrisy is shameful. Reminds of the late Junaid Jamshed running to a secular country to save his life from extremists, after bashing secularism for years.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Nonetheless, all the British Pakistanis who said Britain should pack their bags and leave the country.

Why enjoy their services and facilities, seek benefits from their economy when you consider them tyrannical?

The hypocrisy is shameful. Reminds of the late Junaid Jamshed running to a secular country to save his life from extremists, after bashing secularism for years.

This is a fresh of the boat mentality. I dont blame you, you're not British.

One of the great things about the UK is you can critiise it's past and even present but still be loyal and defend the nation. What the British did hundreds of years ago has nothing to do with the people who are here now.

Even as a Pakistani you support a government which has looted the backside of the country lol

Youre entitled to your opinion, no matter how nonsensical it is.

 

[DeadBall]

Nonetheless, all the British Pakistanis who said Britain should pack their bags and leave the country.

Why enjoy their services and facilities, seek benefits from their economy when you consider them tyrannical?

It is a way of getting back at them, according to many. And why not?

 

[KingKhanWC]

America Has Been at War 93% of the Time – 222 out of 239 Years – Since 1776

https://www.globalresearch.ca/ameri...-time-222-out-of-239-years-since-1776/5565946

No wonder in America random people get up one day and kill many more random people for no reason.

 

[shaz619]

Nonetheless, all the British Pakistanis who said Britain should pack their bags and leave the country.

Why enjoy their services and facilities, seek benefits from their economy when you consider them tyrannical?

The hypocrisy is shameful. Reminds of the late Junaid Jamshed running to a secular country to save his life from extremists, after bashing secularism for years.

Why should they pack their bags for pointing out Britain based on crimes in the past, that's not to say they don't love their beautiful country in the present unless we're talking about British Pathans.

 

[akki]

England and India

How india ? India got invaded by muslisms and british and got exploited till hundreds of years almost......infact india has to be the most ever tolerant nation ever be olaced on earth ? Isnt it ??? Place which gace birth to many religions and gave land and money to even invaders.....and still known as secular nation after gone through so much in history....ohh man long live india...

 

[Mamoon]

This is a fresh of the boat mentality. I dont blame you, you're not British.

One of the great things about the UK is you can critiise it's past and even present but still be loyal and defend the nation. What the British did hundreds of years ago has nothing to do with the people who are here now.

Even as a Pakistani you support a government which has looted the backside of the country lol

Youre entitled to your opinion, no matter how nonsensical it is.

All of that is good, but your UK government is USA’s lapdog, and your tax money has gone into funding wars against Muslims.

Moreover, it is the greatness of Britain that allows freedom of speech to an extent where you can say anything you want, without having to face any repercussions.

I think they need to take a leaf out of some other European countries and lower their levels of tolerance. Their openness and acceptance have been exploited for far too long.

 

[Mamoon]

Why should they pack their bags for pointing out Britain based on crimes in the past, that's not to say they don't love their beautiful country in the present unless we're talking about British Pathans.

I think they should go to a place where their tax money is not used to fund wars against Muslims. That would be a good start. Wouldn’t you agree?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Why should they pack their bags for pointing out Britain based on crimes in the past, that's not to say they don't love their beautiful country in the present unless we're talking about British Pathans.

Many Pakistanis' are upset not only because they cant get rid of their awful accent but because they live in a nation which is corrupt from head to toe. The moment you land even the trolley guy runs of with your luggage before asking you, because he wants your money. You go to a shop , they try to over charge you. Your electric has a fault, you have to often pay a bribe to get the work started. Youre driving the police stop you for no reason to extort money. This is the same mentality the British empire and the ruling class had, it's all greed. Just because Pakistani's do it in a small fashion, street level makes them no different to those who pillaged cities, only difference between is the scale.

What is most ironic and crazily stupid, people resisted the British in many ways but many Pakistanis in Pakistan support their country being looted to the skin. You just cant make it up.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is a fresh of the boat mentality. I dont blame you, you're not British.

One of the great things about the UK is you can critiise it's past and even present but still be loyal and defend the nation. What the British did hundreds of years ago has nothing to do with the people who are here now.

Even as a Pakistani you support a government which has looted the backside of the country lol

Youre entitled to your opinion, no matter how nonsensical it is.

100% agree with you, even though I am not one of those who said Britain is the one with the worst history. Mamoon should take his own advice and pack his bags and leave Pakistan as he is constantly whining about where he lives and the society that surrounds him.

Britain is a relatively open society for now, and there have always been home grown critics of all colours and ideologies. But I would say any immigrant who comes here with a wicked agenda should be packed off and sent home ASAP.

 

[shaz619]

I think they should go to a place where their tax money is not used to fund wars against Muslims. That would be a good start. Wouldn’t you agree?

The arab sympathisers definetly but not everyone else

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

All of that is good, but your UK government is USA’s lapdog, and your tax money has gone into funding wars against Muslims.

Moreover, it is the greatness of Britain that allows freedom of speech to an extent where you can say anything you want, without having to face any repercussions.

I think they need to take a leaf out of some other European countries and lower their levels of tolerance. Their openness and acceptance have been exploited for far too long.

I think Pakistan should do the same with citizens who think the sun shines out of their neighbour's behind and send them packing to Calcutta. Shame they wouldn't get a visa.

 

[Mamoon]

100% agree with you, even though I am not one of those who said Britain is the one with the worst history. Mamoon should take his own advice and pack his bags and leave Pakistan as he is constantly whining about where he lives and the society that surrounds him.

Britain is a relatively open society for now, and there have always been home grown critics of all colours and ideologies. But I would say any immigrant who comes here with a wicked agenda should be packed off and sent home ASAP.

How do you feel about your tax money ending up in weapons that are used to kill Muslims in the Middle East and Afghanistan?

I consider it my great misfortune to have been born in Pakistan, but it is what it is. I am a Pakistani and nothing can take my identity away. I am not an expat like the British Pakistanis, also known as brown angraiz.

However, if the British Pakistanis are so critical of the British past and their extant foreign policies, why not go back to the Mirpur villages where they came from?

Speaking of Mirpuris, I wonder if Mani will show up any time now.

 

[shaz619]

Many Pakistanis' are upset not only because they cant get rid of their awful accent but because they live in a nation which is corrupt from head to toe. The moment you land even the trolley guy runs of with your luggage before asking you, because he wants your money. You go to a shop , they try to over charge you. Your electric has a fault, you have to often pay a bribe to get the work started. Youre driving the police stop you for no reason to extort money. This is the same mentality the British empire and the ruling class had, it's all greed. Just because Pakistani's do it in a small fashion, street level makes them no different to those who pillaged cities, only difference between is the scale.

What is most ironic and crazily stupid, people resisted the British in many ways but many Pakistanis in Pakistan support their country being looted to the skin. You just cant make it up.

Well said, there's no lack of nationalism just because we're against a bloody history; the empire doesn't exist anymore, it only does for the Indians whem they tour England every now and then. Fact is the UK is a beautiful place to be despite the flaws. We're just not delusional fools who are not open to improvement on any level.

 

[Mamoon]

The arab sympathisers definetly but not everyone else

So you don’t have a problem with the UK Government dancing to American tunes, and using your sterling to fund crimes against Muslims?

 

[Syed1]

I think they should go to a place where their tax money is not used to fund wars against Muslims. That would be a good start. Wouldn’t you agree?

You are paying international student fees (which is atleast five times higher than domestic students) in USA that dropped two nuclear bombs, killed millions in Afghanistan and Iraq, funded and hatched conspiracies in South America that led to death of millions, aids Israel in killing of Muslims.... I could go on and on.



Better get off that high horse son

 

[KingKhanWC]

All of that is good, but your UK government is USA’s lapdog, and your tax money has gone into funding wars against Muslims.

Moreover, it is the greatness of Britain that allows freedom of speech to an extent where you can say anything you want, without having to face any repercussions.

I think they need to take a leaf out of some other European countries and lower their levels of tolerance. Their openness and acceptance have been exploited for far too long.

In the UK we have ample opportunity to do what we can stop those wars. 1 Million people marched against the Iraq war. Many other conflicts have been stopped by the people, it was the public which didn't allow David Cameron to bomb Syria, which in turned reduced the US in it's bombing. The UK is very careful now, it no longer just joins wars willy nilly due to people power.

We all pay taxes which are used for services, nothing in life is free.

The UK is based on tolerance which is why the Niqab hasnt been banned, it's far advanced in terms of civilisation than any other nation on Earth. It's a great place to be where people of all colour and religions can live together and be successful together. You should try to take a leaf out of Britains book and try to make Pakistan the same instead of taking it backwards by supporting proven criminals.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

How do you feel about your tax money ending up in weapons that are used to kill Muslims in the Middle East and Afghanistan?

I consider it my great misfortune to have been born in Pakistan, but it is what it is. I am a Pakistani and nothing can take my identity away. I am not an expat like the British Pakistanis, also known as brown angraiz.

However, if the British Pakistanis are so critical of the British past and their extant foreign policies, why not go back to the Mirpur villages where they came from?

Speaking of Mirpuris, I wonder if Mani will show up any time now.

We aren't ex-pats, we are descendants of settlers like most Brits nowadays, Britain will continue to grow and be great because we embraced multiculturalism like all other great western civilisations. People like you and your pillion rider friends can only wring your hands in misery at being stuck in monocultural dead ends. But like you said, it's your misfortune, too bad.

 

[Mamoon]

I think Pakistan should do the same with citizens who think the sun shines out of their neighbour's behind and send them packing to Calcutta. Shame they wouldn't get a visa.

Disposing first class citizens is harder than getting rid of expats though. The Pakistani Government has dealt with the latter to an extent by throwing Afghanis back into Afghanistan.

Sending the likes of me to India is not the same as the British Government sending the Mirpuris back to where they belong, especially when they don’t appreciate their past and their current foreign policies, and clearly don’t want their hard earned sterling to fund killings of Muslims.

 

[shaz619]

So you don’t have a problem with the UK Government dancing to American tunes, and using your sterling to fund crimes against Muslims?

We will do what is best for our country and economy and have always done just that more often then not. Meanwhile you spend your days criticising the one man that is clean enough to lead your country, its one of the reasons why Pak is a big dumpster in comparison to the UK; and you guys would know better then anyone dancing to US tunes, while not perfect we atleast invest in our country unlike your looters, criminals and theives.

 

[babajee]

Nonetheless, all the British Pakistanis who said Britain should pack their bags and leave the country.

Why enjoy their services and facilities, seek benefits from their economy when you consider them tyrannical?

The hypocrisy is shameful. Reminds of the late Junaid Jamshed running to a secular country to save his life from extremists, after bashing secularism for years.

Don’t worry about me. I’m leaving as soon as I can

 

[Mamoon]

You are paying international student fees (which is atleast five times higher than domestic students) in USA that dropped two nuclear bombs, killed millions in Afghanistan and Iraq, funded and hatched conspiracies in South America that led to death of millions, aids Israel in killing of Muslims.... I could go on and on.



Better get off that high horse son

I have no issues with what the West does to Muslim countries. I only care about my country and it’s people, regardless of their faith.

I couldn’t care less about the Afghans, Palestinians, Syrians and others.

However, there are some champions of Islam in this thread who criticize western policies and the crimes against Muslims, but are happy to pay their tax money to fund those killings, just so that they can enjoy the NHS and other benefits.

 

[KingKhanWC]

We will do what is best for our country and economy and have always done just that more often then not. Meanwhile you spend your days criticising the one man that is clean enough to lead your country, its one of the reasons why Pak is a big dumpster in comparison to the UK; and you guys would know better then anyone dancing to US tunes, while not perfect we atleast invest in our country unlike your looters, criminals and theives.

This poster is unbelievable.

He wants British Pakistanis' to leave Britain because of it's role , following America into war, bombing Muslim nations etc.

Yet he will not leave Pakistan which allows foreign drones to butcher his own people in broad daylight.

 

[Mamoon]

We aren't ex-pats, we are descendants of settlers like most Brits nowadays, Britain will continue to grow and be great because we embraced multiculturalism like all other great western civilisations. People like you and your pillion rider friends can only wring your hands in misery at being stuck in monocultural dead ends. But like you said, it's your misfortune, too bad.

What about your tax money funding killings of Muslims?

 

[DeadBall]

You are paying international student fees (which is atleast five times higher than domestic students) in USA that dropped two nuclear bombs, killed millions in Afghanistan and Iraq, funded and hatched conspiracies in South America that led to death of millions, aids Israel in killing of Muslims.... I could go on and on.



Better get off that high horse son

Not an apt comparison at all in my personal opinion. At least it is for higher educational purposes, better to boycott McDonalds in my opinion. Also boycott Mekkah and Medinah as their government has been involved in killing a lot of Muslims of late.

 

[babajee]

As per [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] logic we should pack our bags and leave this Earth.

I don’t think there is a single country with a “good” history.

 

[Mamoon]

This poster is unbelievable.

He wants British Pakistanis' to leave Britain because of it's role , following America into war, bombing Muslim nations etc.

Yet he will not leave Pakistan which allows foreign drones to butcher his own people in broad daylight.

Where should I go? I am not an expat like British Pakistanis.

Being born in Pakistan is like being born to parents who are terrible people. It is your misfortune, but it is what it is.

But British Pakistanis are like the children who live with adopted parents. If you don’t like their past and what they do, why not go back to your biological parents?

 

[Syed1]

Not an apt comparison at all in my personal opinion. At least it is for higher educational purposes, better to boycott McDonalds in my opinion. Also boycott Mekkah and Medinah as their government has been involved in killing a lot of Muslims of late.

If I go into details it will further derail the thread

 

[Mamoon]

As per [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] logic we should pack our bags and leave this Earth.

I don’t think there is a single country with a “good” history.

There isn’t, but expats have a choice. Why not make a choice when you are unhappy with your money funding Muslim genocide?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What about your tax money funding killings of Muslims?

What about it? How tax money is spent isn't decided by individuals, it's govt policy and the whole population votes, not just Muslims. I don't agree on my tax money being spent on girls who get pregnant at 16 to get free housing but it does. That's life in a democracy.

 

[babajee]

There isn’t, but expats have a choice. Why not make a choice when you are unhappy with your money funding Muslim genocide?

There is no choice. No country is innocent.

 

[Mamoon]

We will do what is best for our country and economy and have always done just that more often then not. Meanwhile you spend your days criticising the one man that is clean enough to lead your country, its one of the reasons why Pak is a big dumpster in comparison to the UK; and you guys would know better then anyone dancing to US tunes, while not perfect we atleast invest in our country unlike your looters, criminals and theives.

So you thinking bombing Muslims is best for your country, and you are okay with it. Great to know, I will look out for your future posts where you criticize western foreign policy.

 

[Mamoon]

What about it? How tax money is spent isn't decided by individuals, it's govt policy and the whole population votes, not just Muslims. I don't agree on my tax money being spent on girls who get pregnant at 16 to get free housing but it does. That's life in a democracy.

Good to know NHS services are more valuable than life of Muslims.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Where should I go? I am not an expat like British Pakistanis.

Being born in Pakistan is like being born to parents who are terrible people. It is your misfortune, but it is what it is.

But British Pakistanis are like the children who live with adopted parents. If you don’t like their past and what they do, why not go back to your biological parents?

There are plenty of places where you can go and live. Try Cambodia, Thailand or even nations in Africa.
You yourself are saying it's terrible and you are misfortune to have being born there. Instead of living a life of resentment and supporting the Indian cricket team, pack your chappals and leave bro.

I wouldn't mind living in Pakistan if the situation changes. If the great Imran Khan is elected, corruption is reduced significantly, I will consider later on life living a few months of the year in Pakistan. We have a houses, land and everything we need there but I refuse to stay more than 2 weeks due to the culture of dishonesty we see today.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Where should I go? I am not an expat like British Pakistanis.

Being born in Pakistan is like being born to parents who are terrible people. It is your misfortune, but it is what it is.

But British Pakistanis are like the children who live with adopted parents. If you don’t like their past and what they do, why not go back to your biological parents?

Can you explain how ex-pats applies to British Pakistanis? British Pakistanis you are addressing here are natives of the British soil, your term would apply to freshies who have come to Britain as immigrants. Not the same thing at all.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

In no particular order:


Nazi Germany - killed:

Between five and six million Jews;
More than three million Soviet POWs;
More than two million Soviet civilians;
More than one million Polish civilians;
More than one million Yugoslav civilians;
100k+ men, women and children with mental and physical disabilities;
More than 200,000 gypsies;
Unknown numbers of political prisoners, resistance fighters, homosexuals and deportees

And helped to start world war 2 which killed tens of millions more.

Colonial Britain - the British deliberately adopted policies that caused tens of millions of deaths.

The Soviet Union under Joseph Stalin - lots of historians say Stalin was responsible for more deaths than Hitler.

China Under Mao Zedong - the number of deaths by starvation during the Great Leap Forward are well documented and there for all to see and if we blame Britain's actions for things like the Bengal famine then surely the same yardstick has to be used for Mao.

 

[Syed1]

Meanwhile [MENTION=130700]TM Riddle[/MENTION] is like

 

[Mamoon]

There are plenty of places where you can go and live. Try Cambodia, Thailand or even nations in Africa.
You yourself are saying it's terrible and you are misfortune to have being born there. Instead of living a life of resentment and supporting the Indian cricket team, pack your chappals and leave bro.

I wouldn't mind living in Pakistan if the situation changes. If the great Imran Khan is elected, corruption is reduced significantly, I will consider later on life living a few months of the year in Pakistan. We have a houses, land and everything we need there but I refuse to stay more than 2 weeks due to the culture of dishonesty we see today.

Nothing will change if the great hypocrite becomes the PM, and it is not going to happen.

However, we will be very pleased and honoured if you decide to grace us with your presence for a few months later in your life.

If I were an expat Pakistani, I would have definitely considered going back to my native country, which is why I wonder why don’t the British Pakistanis contemplate returning to Pakistan when they are so critical of the western foreign policy, and the way their money is used to kill Muslims.

The Ummah should take precedence over the NHS though. I know we don’t have the NHS, but we Pakistani doctors are very competent nonetheless. You won’t be disappointed.

 

[Mamoon]

Can you explain how ex-pats applies to British Pakistanis? British Pakistanis you are addressing here are natives of the British soil, your term would apply to freshies who have come to Britain as immigrants. Not the same thing at all.

I’m using the term expat loosely. I’m referring to all the immigrants, first gen, second gen, second class citizens etc. Every single British Pakistanis falls into one of the said categories.

You, or your parents or your grandparents moved to the UK from Pakistan to better their lives. That doesn’t make you a native.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

The UK by a fair distance IMO. Centuries of oppression, enslavement, robbery, famine, genocide of their own subjects. As Mamoon pointed out, nearly all modern conflicts can trace back to the Empire.

Australia too in its short history, even thought its nowhere near the same scale as the UK and others. Also Belgium, Spain, America, Soviets, China, Germany the list goes on really.

 

[shaz619]

So you thinking bombing Muslims is best for your country, and you are okay with it. Great to know, I will look out for your future posts where you criticize western foreign policy.

I'd rather we spend more on health and education, this is not a view shared by Muslims alone in the UK. As far as foreign policy is concerned my conscious is completely clear and I trust my country to account for the life of innocent civilians when dealing with extremist threats, we have a proper procedure when strikes are carried out but not everything goes to plan. Anyhow in all scenario's we do contribute to our own industry despite the recent expenditure cuts unlike your leaders, further more you can hardly be considered the defenders of the Muslim Ummah.

 

[shaz619]

I’m using the term expat loosely. I’m referring to all the immigrants, first gen, second gen, second class citizens etc. Every single British Pakistanis falls into one of the said categories.

You, or your parents or your grandparents moved to the UK from Pakistan to better their lives. That doesn’t make you a native.

That's your opinion not fact, we're all treated on a level playing field in this country and are accepted as British citizens. Doesn't matter if we are sikh, christian, ahmadi or shia.

 

[shaz619]

Meanwhile [MENTION=130700]TM Riddle[/MENTION] is like

) So true

 

[shaz619]

This poster is unbelievable.

He wants British Pakistanis' to leave Britain because of it's role , following America into war, bombing Muslim nations etc.

Yet he will not leave Pakistan which allows foreign drones to butcher his own people in broad daylight.

Since when did he start giving a damn about Muslim lives anyway additionally Pak can hardly be considered saints in that regard

 

[shaz619]

Nothing will change if the great hypocrite becomes the PM, and it is not going to happen.

However, we will be very pleased and honoured if you decide to grace us with your presence for a few months later in your life.

If I were an expat Pakistani, I would have definitely considered going back to my native country, which is why I wonder why don’t the British Pakistanis contemplate returning to Pakistan when they are so critical of the western foreign policy, and the way their money is used to kill Muslims.

The Ummah should take precedence over the NHS though. I know we don’t have the NHS, but we Pakistani doctors are very competent nonetheless. You won’t be disappointed.

Pakistan is one big dump, if people criticise foreign policy and want more to be spent on the NHS or Education why should they leave and come to you? that is moronic I can understand you wanting those back who were born in Pak but those who have lived their entire lives in the UK and are much better human beings and more well rounded that's just being greedy mate

 

[JaDed]

Trust British Pakistanis to talk worst against Pakistan if nudged a little.

There is a reason why it's easier to be friendly to someone from Pakistan than derivative Desis of Britain.

 

[JaDed]

Britain
Germany
Spain
Japan

 

[Napa]

I would go with Spain.
What they did with the natives of Americas is unthinkable.

Define "worst history"?

If you read history, you will find that people everywhere treat others horribly. It follows that those nations who grow strong due to economic development have greater opportunity to do horrible things to others.

The record of humans is almost uniformly bad, with a few exceptions. Let's not single out the Spanish or the British.

Consider that recently Hutus killed about a million Tutsis in Rawanda. Indonesians 1965/66 killed about half a million, especially targeted are communists, Chinese and Christians. Japan's Unit 731 atrocities against the Chinese were probably worse than the Nazis. I could go on and on about other nationalities.

While Britain caused many famines with millions dead, it is also true that it was White Europeans who took a stand that slavery was immoral and should be ended.

There is no easy answer to "worst history".

 

[shaz619]

Trust British Pakistanis to talk worst against Pakistan if nudged a little.

There is a reason why it's easier to be friendly to someone from Pakistan than derivative Desis of Britain.

If people talk rubbish then they deserve a response, what's with the sensitivity? Am equally proud of my country and what it has done for me

 

[KingKhanWC]

Trust British Pakistanis to talk worst against Pakistan if nudged a little.

There is a reason why it's easier to be friendly to someone from Pakistan than derivative Desis of Britain.

Even those from Pakistan criticise it because there is no shame in speaking the truth. Only when you can be open and honest of the state of your nation change will start to come. Indians could learn a lot instead of believing you are a first world nation with a civilised society.

 

[James]

The UK.

It is a magnificent place nowadays but let’s not deny that our history has a lot of blood on its hands.

It’s not just the faraway colonies. Up until recently we were effectively at war with the Irish republican paramilitary collective.

And it’s not just ancient history either. Try the Iraq War. Which then helped to create ISIL.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Trust British Pakistanis to talk worst against Pakistan if nudged a little.

There is a reason why it's easier to be friendly to someone from Pakistan than derivative Desis of Britain.

Too bad, Brit Paks are from the more combative regions of Pakistan, you aim a barb at us and you get a heavy slap back. This is why we are a good fit for Britain, the locals here can relate.

 

[akki]

Even those from Pakistan criticise it because there is no shame in speaking the truth. Only when you can be open and honest of the state of your nation change will start to come. Indians could learn a lot instead of believing you are a first world nation with a civilised society.

Learn from whom ? From britain ? From pakistan ? From america ? And which thing to learn ???? Why wud indians criticize india if we dnt have history like america or britain or spain etc ??? You guys are confused species....lolz

 

[Musakhel]

Having guilt over what your ancestors done is stupid and pointless.

 

[hussain.r97]

In the last 50-100 years, it would have to be the USA for all the unrest they have caused the world in recent times.

In the last 500 years, British Empire due to robbery, genocide, oppression, enslavement.

A few (dis)honorable mentions:
Spanish Empire - Same as the British. They also have the blood of South American natives on their hands.
Nazi Germany - Genocide of Jews, disabled people, as well as for instigating WW2.
China - Starving their own population, oppression,
Soviet Union - They have a lot of blood on their hands, possibly more than Germany,
Ottoman Empire - Massacres and genocides of minorities, most famously of the Armenians. (Which most countries, including Pakistan, shamelessly deny). Also, their selfish and backwards policies caused the regression of Middle Eastern civilization, similar to the Mughals causing the regression of South Asian civilization.
Japanese Empire - For their atrocities against the Chinese.
Mongol Horde/Post Horde States - Their tyrannical rule across central Asia, the Middle East, Eastern Europe, China has a lot of blood. They raped many populations to the extent that most people now days will have some level of Mongol blood.
Most of the "Islamic" Caliphates - This one is really undermentioned here but unfortunately the truth is that after the Prophet's death, almost all the various 'Caliphates' and 'Islamic states' that formed and appeared over time plundered, looted, murdered, and raped entire nations in the name of spreading Islam.

 

[TM Riddle]

In the last 50-100 years, it would have to be the USA for all the unrest they have caused the world in recent times.

In the last 500 years, British Empire due to robbery, genocide, oppression, enslavement.

A few (dis)honorable mentions:
Spanish Empire - Same as the British. They also have the blood of South American natives on their hands.
Nazi Germany - Genocide of Jews, disabled people, as well as for instigating WW2.
China - Starving their own population, oppression,
Soviet Union - They have a lot of blood on their hands, possibly more than Germany,
Ottoman Empire - Massacres and genocides of minorities, most famously of the Armenians. (Which most countries, including Pakistan, shamelessly deny). Also, their selfish and backwards policies caused the regression of Middle Eastern civilization, similar to the Mughals causing the regression of South Asian civilization.
Japanese Empire - For their atrocities against the Chinese.
Mongol Horde/Post Horde States - Their tyrannical rule across central Asia, the Middle East, Eastern Europe, China has a lot of blood. They raped many populations to the extent that most people now days will have some level of Mongol blood.
Most of the "Islamic" Caliphates - This one is really undermentioned here but unfortunately the truth is that after the Prophet's death, almost all the various 'Caliphates' and 'Islamic states' that formed and appeared over time plundered, looted, murdered, and raped entire nations in the name of spreading Islam.

You can't just throw in blanket statements like this without elaborating further.
Why do you think Mughals caused regression of South Asian civilization?

 

[Rayyman]

Idk why I always have had a soft spot for Genghis and the Mongols. They were warriors.

 

[hussain.r97]

You can't just throw in blanket statements like this without elaborating further.
Why do you think Mughals caused regression of South Asian civilization?

The vast majority of the Mughal emperors were more concerned with building monuments and living lavish lives in the comfort of their palaces. They never really gave any importance to fields of science, education, and philosophy, and eventually western civilizations overtook Eastern civilizations. If the East lags far behind the west now, we have the Mughals and Ottomans to blame.

 

[TM Riddle]

The vast majority of the Mughal emperors were more concerned with building monuments and living lavish lives in the comfort of their palaces. They never really gave any importance to fields of science, education, and philosophy, and eventually western civilizations overtook Eastern civilizations. If the East lags far behind the west now, we have the Mughals and Ottomans to blame.

East had already started declining after the fall of Guptas and fragmentation of their empire into various small principalities which incessantly fought with one another thus bringing destruction and halting scientific progress.
The Rajput age of 6th to 12th century was the beginning of downfall of Eastern civilization which culminated with Turkic invasions and establishment of Delhi Sultanate.

While we did lag behind in science (esp in the latter times) I believe we made a tremendous strides in architecture and literature.

Coming in of Turks and later other middle eastern Muslims introduced various new forms of architectural techniques which over the course of time period combined with traditional Hindu architecture to give rise to Indo Saracenic style, a unique blend of Hindu Muslim art. Many monuments from that era are testament of creativity exhibited by artists from that time.

In literature, introduction of persian and arabic gave rise to several languages and script chiefly among them Urdu. Persian and Awadhi literature boomed and translations of various scriptures from Sanskrit to Persian further gave impetus to this trend.
In terms of Music and paintings as well, many new developments were seen such as evolution of Hindustani music of school which comrises forms such as qawwali, thumari, dhrupad etc which flourished in the Mughal Period.

This was a golden period in terms of development of miniature painting with Mughal emperors(Jahangir being prominent of them) patronizing the various famous painters of that era. In fact it could be considered as the golden period of Indian art.

So I'm not sure what you are on about honestly.

 

[Josh]

His army destroyed Baghdad, the then cultural center of muslims in a bloody battle. Why would you have any soft spot for him.