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Which of the major Test sides is the weakest away from home?

Which of the major Test sides is the weakest away from home?

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Pretty much all the teams besides South Africa have been incompetent away from home in the recent past. Even SA have lost their invincibility in recent times.

Which team is the worst?
 
England. Drew with West Indies and Bangldesh . I'm sure they'll be given a tough time by Sri Lanka as well.
 
Quantitatively, it has to be us - only one win in SRL & ZIM over a decade (& 2 against Floyd Reifer's WI).

Qualitatively, at present, it has to be Poms.
 
Dont even know why West Indies and Sri Lanka are in the list, they are hardly deadly in their own conditions.

England are a joke outside England
 
It has to be bw srilanka and india

Eng too is close but months back they just beat SA in their turf
 
Asian teams.
Given the long history for both Pak and India its a shame they never been able to win a series in SA or AUS.
 
KingKhanWC said:
I read India have only won one test outside of Asia since 2011.
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We've won at least 3 in the West Indies.

This has to be England. Those guys can't even win in the West Indies. Or the UAE. Or Bangladesh. Or New Zealand. India. Australia. Anywhere. That South Africa series looks like one giant fluke.
 
Varun said:
We've won at least 3 in the West Indies.

This has to be England. Those guys can't even win in the West Indies. Or the UAE. Or Bangladesh. Or New Zealand. India. Australia. Anywhere. That South Africa series looks like one giant fluke.
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I think it's 2.

England won the Ashes in Aus in 2010, beat India in India and have also won in SA but yes in recent years their away record is terrible.

India have a big challenge now being 1-0 down and are also coming to England in the summer. If they lose both series by a whitewash or without winning a single test, would you then change your mind?
 
KingKhanWC said:
I think it's 2.

England won the Ashes in Aus in 2010, beat India in India and have also won in SA but yes in recent years their away record is terrible.

India have a big challenge now being 1-0 down and are also coming to England in the summer. If they lose both series by a whitewash or without winning a single test, would you then change your mind?
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Why? We won in Lanka,Windies the series ,without losing a test.

England hammed across the globe except SA.
Also one is only as good as their last tour,why is the England tour of India 6 years ago even considering,in that logic let's even consider India's tour of Eng in 2007 and SA tour of 2010.
 
JaDed said:
Why? We won in Lanka,Windies the series ,without losing a test.

England hammed across the globe except SA.
Also one is only as good as their last tour,why is the England tour of India 6 years ago even considering,in that logic let's even consider India's tour of Eng in 2007 and SA tour of 2010.
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JaDed said:
Nice to know West Indies has become part of Asia, hopefully I can listen to chutney soca at IST now.
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Read above clarified its two wins outside of Asia which was against the Windies.

When was the last time India won a series in England? Yet India lost at home to England not too long ago.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Read above clarified its two wins outside of Asia which was against the Windies.

When was the last time India won a series in England? Yet India lost at home to England not too long ago.
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India won a series in 2007 in England ,only Lanka from Asia has won recently, who else won?
 
JaDed said:
India won a series in 2007 in England ,only Lanka from Asia has won recently, who else won?
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Tbf it was a good win but those players have gone while England still have their players playing now. Pakistan drew winning two tests last year.
 
KingKhanWC said:
Tbf it was a good win but those players have gone while England still have their players playing now. Pakistan drew winning two tests last year.
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Swan,Panesar and KP were the reason for winning that series ,they are gone long ago, also criteria was wining the series if draw is considered then we drew in 2010 in SA.
 
KingKhanWC said:
India have a big challenge now being 1-0 down and are also coming to England in the summer. If they lose both series by a whitewash or without winning a single test, would you then change your mind?
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Totally, but I'm not going to write us off to that extent yet.
 
India is a decent touring side. They gave scare to opposition in most of their series. India almost chased down on day 5 at the gabba. But poor umpiring cost Rahane's wicket.
 
Varun said:
We've won at least 3 in the West Indies.

This has to be England. Those guys can't even win in the West Indies. Or the UAE. Or Bangladesh. Or New Zealand. India. Australia. Anywhere. That South Africa series looks like one giant fluke.
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In the last eight years England beat Australia in Australia (which India have never done), India in India and SA in SA. Since the century turned they have beaten every side away.

Their current problem is all the fast bowlers are made of glass, and a County system not set up to produce good spinners.
 
JaDed said:
Swan,Panesar and KP were the reason for winning that series ,they are gone long ago, also criteria was wining the series if draw is considered then we drew in 2010 in SA.
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Cook piled the runs on, and Trott and Bell made crucial contributions. It was a real team effort.
 
o voted wrong..i think its England shich is too weak out of their comfort zone
 
Is it a Pakistani forum? Checked.

Is india worst in.... (put x, y, z any criteria)....

Majority will be a big yes.
 
The side that looses at any given time..
 
How recent is recent? In the last 10 years, the away W/L ratio is

SA - 1.750
Aus - 0.785
Ind - 0.761
Pak - 0.576
Eng - 0.535
SL - 0.523
NZ - 0.384
WI - 0.240
Ban - 0.235

If it is last 5 years, then it is
Ind - 0.888
SA - 0.857
SL - 0.636
Aus - 0.588
Pak - 0.533
NZ - 0.500
Eng - 0.222
Ban - 0.200
WI - 0.187
 
Pakistan and England.

Although England will not lose in Zimbabwe and Pakistan will never win in South Africa. Nonetheless, they deserve a mention because they have simply not competed in India and Australia in quick succession.
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistan and England.

Although England will not lose in Zimbabwe and Pakistan will never win in South Africa. Nonetheless, they deserve a mention because they have simply not competed in India and Australia in quick succession.
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Of course Pakistan had to make it there.

We aren’t even good enough at home :facepalm:
 
You can't expect Sri Lanka or West Indies to be amazing away when there home record has been really really bad. For me its England, for a team that love tooting there own horn on how good they are there really bad away especially when you expect them to be much better :kp
 
Pakistan and India

India over a more consistent period in recent years
 
[MENTION=107298]par[/MENTION] has given the away win/loss record and yet people are saying Pakistan is the worst.

We outperformed South Africa, India, Australia, West Indies and Sri Lanka in our last tour of England.

We've beaten Sri Lanka (who whitewashed Australia at home), Bangladesh (drew with Australia and England at home) and West Indies away (where England could only draw). You can argue these conditions were familiar for us but they're still away wins.

We competed better in Australia (at Brisbane where we ought to have won and Melbourne where we snatched a loss from the jaws of a draw) than England have done in this shambles of an Ashes tour.

The answer is West Indies. Since November 2000, West Indies have only won 3 out of 76 away Tests excluding Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.

The next worst is England - given their resources they should be doing far better away than just 1 away series win in 5 years. Then its New Zealand - granted they haven't had many away series but they got beaten comfortably in India, Australia and South Africa.
 
Robert said:
Cook piled the runs on, and Trott and Bell made crucial contributions. It was a real team effort.
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Yes but the impact matters when foreign teams tour India,and those three took sessions away from us,it was other than the 2005 the only time England team was a delight to watch.
 
par said:
How recent is recent? In the last 10 years, the away W/L ratio is

SA - 1.750
Aus - 0.785
Ind - 0.761
Pak - 0.576
Eng - 0.535
SL - 0.523
NZ - 0.384
WI - 0.240
Ban - 0.235

If it is last 5 years, then it is
Ind - 0.888
SA - 0.857
SL - 0.636
Aus - 0.588
Pak - 0.533
NZ - 0.500
Eng - 0.222
Ban - 0.200
WI - 0.187
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Eng is the answer here if we go by the last 5 years.
 
England quite easily. Apart from that fluke away series win in South Africa, what have they done? Drawn series in Windies, hammered in OZ and India, drawn series in BAD, hammered in the UAE etc. Very poor away record.
 
Robert said:
In the last eight years England beat Australia in Australia (which India have never done), India in India and SA in SA. Since the century turned they have beaten every side away.

Their current problem is all the fast bowlers are made of glass, and a County system not set up to produce good spinners.
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That is a very misleading stat, the england team that achieved all those except the SA result was one of their best ever sides, the players who were responsible for those wins even the SA one are either retired, retiring or waning or just in so much trouble that playing for england right now is a distant dream for them.

If you look at the current 11's, england clearly are the weakest, their opening pillar is done for, new batsmen need a few years to find their feet and their spinning reserves mirror india's pace reserve in 90's.
 
India for sure. It just seems they don't have the care or will to even want to try sometimes.
 
A better question would be 'which side has the the biggest gap between their home performances and their away ones' and to answer that it has to be India imo.
 
Gabbar Singh said:
A better question would be 'which side has the the biggest gap between their home performances and their away ones' and to answer that it has to be India imo.
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lol ... so teams like Eng and Pak that ALSO lose at home just as much away are better than India who only lose to Top teams away ? :facepalm:
 
Seems winning away from home is not THAT easy!

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JaDed said:
Swan,Panesar and KP were the reason for winning that series ,they are gone long ago, also criteria was wining the series if draw is considered then we drew in 2010 in SA.
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Yes Swann and Panesar did some damage when the ball was turning very sharply but in such conditions any half decent spinner would do well.

Cook was the key man imo, he played spin very well and is still around. Along with Anderson who will always bowl well in most conditions.
 
Let's see how we do in South Africa, but as of now all teams are poor performers overseas except for South Africa.
 
Away test performances of all teams

Recently i saw a thread about India's away performance since 2011 specifically after the 2011 World Cup where we got whitewashed 8-0 in OZ?ENG and i decided to check the away performances of all teams from April 2011 till now. But firstly, let's check the overall W/L ratio for all teams.

Now let us look at the away performances of each individual team.

Australia - W/L ratio of 0.700


England - W/L ratio of 0.304


India -W/L ratio of 0.555


New Zealand - W/L ratio of 0.473


Pakistan - W/L ratio of 0.800


South Africa - W/L ratio of 1.125


Sri Lanka - W/L ratio of 0.571


West indies - W/L ratio of 0.375


I've excluded BD and Zimbabwe from these as they have barely won any.

While you can't take these ratios at face value considering that some teams tour tough countries more often, SL are underrated as travellers. They won a series in England, a test in SA and whitewashed Pakistan in UAE recently. Pakistan have surprisingly been good to despite whitewashes in OZ/NZ/SA. They drew a series in England and won a series in SL but haven't travelled enough. The 4 teams that have travelled a lot are ENG/OZ/IND/SA. SA have a very good away record and are the best of the lost having won more than lost. Australia face a lot of criticism for their performances in the SC but apart from 2 tours(UAE -2014 and India-2013), they have competed on every away tour and win tests everywhere and series wins in WI,SA and NZ. Don't deserve the flak they get. India's away record gets criticised and rightly so, but post the 8-0 thrashing in 2011, they have improved and even then in this time, they have won 2 series in SL and WI each.

The real poor team both overall and, specifically, away performances has been England. A W/L ratio of 0.304 is the worst of the lot and only two series wins - 1 in India and another in SA somewhat redeem their record. Otherwise, they just drew in SL, struggled in NZ, were the only major team not to win a series in WI, drew in BD, got hammered on their 2nd tour to India(4-0). Got hammered on two tours to the UAE(2012 and 2015) and got hammered on two tours Down Under(5-0 and 4-0).

So, who are really the worst travellers? Thoughts?
 
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And England are poor even though they have won series once in India and SA.
 
Rightarmfast said:
As a matter of fact, they are the ones commenting and laughing at other teams, especially India, the most about being poor travellers!
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Yeah my point is if away performances are held in such high regard then how come England were rated as a quality test side. It's clear that they are rated only for bashing teams at home . :D
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Yeah my point is if away performances are held in such high regard then how come England were rated as a quality test side. It's clear that they are rated only for bashing teams at home . :D
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They don't even bash teams at home. Australia, SA and India are better in that aspect too.
 
par said:
How recent is recent? In the last 10 years, the away W/L ratio is

SA - 1.750
Aus - 0.785
Ind - 0.761
Pak - 0.576
Eng - 0.535
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Nikhil_cric said:
Recently i saw a thread about India's away performance since 2011 specifically after the 2011 World Cup where we got whitewashed 8-0 in OZ?ENG and i decided to check the away performances of all teams from April 2011 till now. But firstly, let's check the overall W/L ratio for all teams.

India -W/L ratio of 0.555


New Zealand - W/L ratio of 0.473


Pakistan - W/L ratio of 0.800


South Africa - W/L ratio of 1.125
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Taking a 10 (or even 5) year period seems less biased than specifically choosing the start date to be the beginning of a losing streak for India.
 
Napa said:
Taking a 10 (or even 5) year period seems less biased than specifically choosing the start date to be the beginning of a losing streak for India.
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This is true but even in that period, we are not as bad as being made out. Definitely better than WI,NZ and England. Among the top nations, England are clearly the worst.
 
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