Which team had a better ICC T20 World Cup 2022 - Pakistan or India?

[BreadPakoda]

Which team's fan should be happier? Both teams went home empty handed although Pakistan can claim that they were the second best team and India can be happy that they won against their arch rivals Pakistan.

On a separate note, extremely delighted that this T20 madness is over. Looking forward to more test and ODI cricket.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If i am the manager and if i am giving rating to India


Rating: Meets expectation

 

[jnaveen1980]

This question has to be answered by respective fans. I can't speak for Pakistan.

 

[shariqnoor]

Pakistan. They demolished SA and NZ. Ran England close.

India barely scraped by Pakistan and lost convincingly against SA and Eng. Only managed to beat the minnows of the group.

 

[MajorasMask]

Pakistan because they got to the final. Both teams were exposed by their dated methods to T20 cricket. They are both very even sides, Pakistan's batting is atrocious (Babar and Rizwan bat bizarrely slow in an ancient manner). India need to keep one of Kohli, Rohit and KL (and drop the other two) to compete with England. Bumrah would have transformed India's attack.

 

[sweep_shot]

Pakistan (both subjectively and objectively).

 

[the Great Khan]

Pakistan. We have a a good team now..a good balance..need some more pieces to complete the jigsaw..the Indian team need a total face lift..but will they drop some big guns?

 

[rhony]

Pakistan. They demolished SA and NZ. Ran England close.

India barely scraped by Pakistan and lost convincingly against SA and Eng. Only managed to beat the minnows of the group.

Barely scraped or not shouldn't matter. Pak lost to India. And you lost a total of 3 games in this WC including one against Zimbos. India lost 2 and both very badly. Pak batting thrived only in Sydney, the easiest for batting.. Indian bowling thrived only when there was swing, the easiest for bowling. I don't think Indian or Pak Fans should be happy in this world cup.

 

[7sins]

India because final heartbreak is something else

 

[the Great Khan]

Barely scraped or not shouldn't matter. Pak lost to India. And you lost a total of 3 games in this WC including one against Zimbos. India lost 2 and both very badly. Pak batting thrived only in Sydney, the easiest for batting.. Indian bowling thrived only when there was swing, the easiest for bowling. I don't think Indian or Pak Fans should be happy in this world cup.

We're very happy..we nearly beat the best team in the world in a final. We controlled the natch vs India 90 percent just fell through..zim again should have won..but bowling was amazing..shattered some good sides to pieces.

India looked old worn out and devoid of any real ideas..wholesale change required..not the same for a young dynamic Pakistan side.

 

[docteurmanish]

Indian fans like me are happy . Reached semis with a pedestrian bowling . This we will likely bring a big rethink in how india selects players . They have gone halfway but likely will go full throttle . English template will be replicated . Hoping to not see bhuvi , Harshal etc . Also last of Ashwin , karthick .

More excited to see ind - nz series . Umran siraj and sen will be a decent pace attack

 

[ChennaiFan]

Both the teams lost and the losers do not have bragging rights. India and Pakistan had good and bad moments throughout the world cup.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Indian fans like me are happy . Reached semis with a pedestrian bowling . This we will likely bring a big rethink in how india selects players . They have gone halfway but likely will go full throttle . English template will be replicated . Hoping to not see bhuvi , Harshal etc . Also last of Ashwin , karthick .

More excited to see ind - nz series . Umran siraj and sen will be a decent pace attack

Yup that is one thing. This is remotely the best line up that India can come up with. There is a huge scope for improvement.

 

[rhony]

Barely scraped or not shouldn't matter. Pak lost to India. And you lost a total of 3 games in this WC including one against Zimbos. India lost 2 and both very badly. Pak batting thrived only in Sydney, the easiest for batting.. Indian bowling thrived only when there was swing, the easiest for bowling. I don't think Indian or Pak Fans should be happy in this world cup.

We're very happy..we nearly beat the best team in the world in a final. We controlled the natch vs India 90 percent just fell through..zim again should have won..but bowling was amazing..shattered some good sides to pieces.

India looked old worn out and devoid of any real ideas..wholesale change required..not the same for a young dynamic Pakistan side.

When you are happy with "nearly" beating teams then this is not a discussion between equals. When you lose "should have won" games, that means the issues are not only technical but also mental. You are right about India. It's a worn out team that needs massive changes. We don't have to wait that long too. The next gen team is playing against NZ starting next week. Pak bowling is the best in the world no doubt but that batting needs a massive overhaul though. I'm not even sure if there are any players that can come in right away though. But the fact remains. You lost three games performing only in Sydney. And yesterday's batting performance isn't noteworthy either.

 

[Gayle_Force]

Barely scraped or not shouldn't matter. Pak lost to India. And you lost a total of 3 games in this WC including one against Zimbos. India lost 2 and both very badly. Pak batting thrived only in Sydney, the easiest for batting.. Indian bowling thrived only when there was swing, the easiest for bowling. I don't think Indian or Pak Fans should be happy in this world cup.

I see your point but at Pakistan went one step further than India. As a Pakistani fan, it obviously doesn’t feel great today but if we look back at this WC there is no doubt that Pakistan overachieved. That Zimbabwe game was bad but all remaining matches were competitive and going into this WC I don’t think there was a signal neutral pundit who would have Pak as a finalist.

Overall I do think you are correct more or less both teams have similar lessons to learn from this WC. I would just think that the way India lost the semifinals just makes this WC probably a little bit worse for the fans. The team had pretty much given up after the 2nd innings powerplay.

 

[Fenrir]

Why are people obsessed with India vs Pakistan?.Pakistanis mock India when it loses and vice versa.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Why are people obsessed with India vs Pakistan?.Pakistanis mock India when it loses and vice versa.

True. Both didn't win the world cup. I am not sure what is with this moral victories. We don't see NZ fans thinking along the lines "atleast we did better than Australia"

 

[charlie007]

Pakistan without a doubt.
Reasons:
1. Reached finals despite the worst batting lineup of all top teams. Yes, lucky to reach semis, but let’s just focus on the overall result.
2. Plenty of young players who got invaluable experience playing under pressure.
3. Hopefully learnt lessons on how poor Babar is as a captain and T20 batsman, and bring a young aggressive opener and give captaincy to Shadab.

 

[Gayle_Force]

True. Both didn't win the world cup. I am not sure what is with this moral victories. We don't see NZ fans thinking along the lines "atleast we did better than Australia"

It is a thing, whether we admit it or not. It is also not exclusive to Pakistan and India. For example, most Australians were routing for Pakistan today.

 

[Cric1234]

Pakistan did not nearly beat England never in the chase did England look like losing they won with an over to spare only the bowling friendly wicket meant they couldn't play freely.

As expected some wickets fell any team could’ve picked wickets looking at how much help the pitch offered the fast bowlers and spinners.

 

[Sherazkhalid]

I think both should be equal as both now know they need to cleanup the house. Only thing is which one will act on it.

 

[rhony]

I see your point but at Pakistan went one step further than India. As a Pakistani fan, it obviously doesn’t feel great today but if we look back at this WC there is no doubt that Pakistan overachieved. That Zimbabwe game was bad but all remaining matches were competitive and going into this WC I don’t think there was a signal neutral pundit who would have Pak as a finalist.

Overall I do think you are correct more or less both teams have similar lessons to learn from this WC. I would just think that the way India lost the semifinals just makes this WC probably a little bit worse for the fans. The team had pretty much given up after the 2nd innings powerplay.

Fair enough. Reaching the final is everybody's target and then it's anybody's game. Pak Fans are happier for that and because their bowlers played out of their skins.

 

[The lone Ranger]

India didn't have to go through the embarrassment of losing to their arch rival and a minnow.

 

[RamLakhan]

Pakistanis have the moral victory because they lost by 5 wickets and took the match to almost final over against England! Pakistanis will always feel superior by comparing with India, and if they perform better than them! They don't seem to have bigger goals than that (sadly!)

 

[happydavy]

India, as i always expected, was going to eventually disappoint most cricket pundits. Reaching semis when you have Netherlands and Bdesh and Zimbabwe in your group is no big achievement. Fact is baring a win against Pakistan, India won nothing. Lost to SA and embarrassed themselves in front of Eng. Pakistan on the other hand, won in a knock out match and reached finals. Although in T20 WC, which happens every 2 years, reaching finals don't mean much, but its a lot better than what India achieved.

 

[happydavy]

It is a thing, whether we admit it or not. It is also not exclusive to Pakistan and India. For example, most Australians were routing for Pakistan today.

Where did you find that out? In the ground there seemed hardly any aussies.

 

[Aseem_04]

India, as i always expected, was going to eventually disappoint most cricket pundits. Reaching semis when you have Netherlands and Bdesh and Zimbabwe in your group is no big achievement. Fact is baring a win against Pakistan, India won nothing. Lost to SA and embarrassed themselves in front of Eng. Pakistan on the other hand, won in a knock out match and reached finals. Although in T20 WC, which happens every 2 years, reaching finals don't mean much, but its a lot better than what India achieved.

who cares about Runner Up? Btw We won against Your mighty Kudrat ka nizam Team so we are Pretty much satisfied,Always knew Our bowling is Minnow level as yours batting so we hadn't much expectations .

 

[happydavy]

who cares about Runner Up? Btw We won against Your mighty Kudrat ka nizam Team so we are Pretty much satisfied,Always knew Our bowling is Minnow level as yours batting so we hadn't much expectations .

bhai calm down, i am an Indian...

 

[Savak]

Pakistan got a lot of favourable adulation, press coverage from the media and fans especially our pace bowling attack.

 

[Aseem_04]

Actually both teams were pretty average ,Most of Indian accept their bowling is at minnow level But Pp posters still in delusion and thinks their batting is world class while it's just club level batting,If i am wrong since Asia cup how many times they scored in 130-145 Range , Pakistani Bowlers were real stars but they hardly gets credit and Itikhar and Haris was real star in batting but Posters here still targeting these two

 

[Cover Drive Six]

For me most important matches for both India and Pakistan:

1.Winning the final/Title.
2.Winning the Ind vs Pak match.

Both teams failed to win the trophy and we won the important match against Pakistan.

Highest attendance matches:
1. India vs Pakistan
2. India vs Zim
3. Final

 

[Devadwal]

This Pakistan team is most undeserving team to play in ICC World events final ? Has any other team achieved that? Don't think so

 

[Rajdeep]

It is bit of a tricky question. Visually Pakistan looked a better overall team with their awesome fast bowling and ground fielding. The non stop PR from PCB also helped a lot like broadcasting dressing room pep talks etc.

But result wise India acheieved more. Lets be honest, apart from final..the only GAME that mattered was played on 23rd Oct infront of 90k fans. Pakistan lost both of these games and then there was a case of losing against Zimbabwe as well.

Having said all that, it really dosen't matter which team did better as both failed to win the trophy. In an ICC event, no one remembers who came second. Moral victories has no place in tournament. India was in final of 2014 and 2017 ICC events but no one cares. The fact is we have not won it since 2013 and neither did Pakistan since 2017. Rest all is irrelevant.

 

[Ashmal]

India didn't have to go through the embarrassment of losing to their arch rival and a minnow.

No embarrassment is bigger than 170/0....how can you lose by 10 wkts defending 170 and that too in a SF, still can't believe it

 

[DJhant]

Banters of 172/0 aside ( Pakistan also lost atleast 3 T20s by 10 wickets too), India has declined to be a horrible team in shorter version. They play t20 in ODI mode, and ODI on Test mode batting. Given their limited over bowling prowess hinges on defensive tactics ( team full of trundlers like Bhuvi, Harshals), the fearful and over conservative reliance on top order was always set to explode in right stage. Thankfully it did. Unless change happens in face bowling fast (no pun intended), very soon we are gonna struggle in SENA test matches too. Pakistan is lucky to go to the semis, but they are better knockout team than India.

 

[Kroll]

The most critical factor is who got the furthest.

In this respect its Pakistan whilst India got booted out in utter humiliation.

This shouldn't even be a question really.

 

[Ami]

Obviously Pakistan.
They went further?
Any point to this thread?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

India's reputation got roasted once again on the world stage. Their batting failed when it mattered and the bowling was always just considered to be adequate.

Pak's somewhat remained intact based on some decent bowling and the fact that batting was predicted to fail anyway. Nobody really predicted how bad Indian batting would fail barring one knock by an aging Kohli.

I think based on tournament results Pakistan very obviously had the better and most memorable tournament.
However, according to our Indian friends there is an abundance of talent just waiting to be unleashed so the team will be changed before bouncing back.

For Pakistan there are still major holes in the batting and the lack of a genuine pace all rounder.

While Indians are talking about some big names that could come into the side, our esteemed posters are hankering for Sharjeel Khan and Umar Akmal.

So in summary, Pakistan had the better tournament but India have the most hope going forward.

 

[Ab Fan]

Both should be happy. They have their flaws and wherever they reached and considering how they reached, I think they should be happy.

 

[NishanKonar]

This is like 2 langdas ( Lame in Hindi / Urdu ) arguing who can run faster

Both India and Pakistan had deeply flawed T20 teams with some strong points - compared to eventual winners England who were a proper T20 side

 

[shamaan]

Pakistan should be the happier side.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

India.

Pakistan used up our luck for a few tournaments and didn't win same result as India. India have luck that they will get in the next tournaments. Also the final loss will scar us for a few decades which India have avoided.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

India.

Pakistan used up our luck for a few tournaments and didn't win same result as India. India have luck that they will get in the next tournaments. Also the final loss will scar us for a few decades which India have avoided.

We won the T20 WC 2 years after the loss to India in the final of the previous cup.

I doubt they are going to be scarred for decades after this.

 

[docteurmanish]

Yup that is one thing. This is remotely the best line up that India can come up with. There is a huge scope for improvement.

It will be very interesting the next few months .

One thing is certain - india needs a new captain , a new coach and wicket taking bowlers in shorter format with all rounders

Wicket takers / pace

Sen , Tyagi , umran , siraj , Arshdeep , mohsin and perhaps dayal besides boom

Kuldeep . No good leg spinner allrounder currently but several players bowl leg spin and india should try and encourage them

Hooda , axar , jadeja , Krunal can still play a role as batsmen who can bowl a bit

Shardul , chahar and hardick besides u19 Tushar etc can bat and need to be used like how England uses them

Plenty of batting talent like Shaw , gill , tripathi etc

Main issue is coach and captain

 

[Fenrir]

India.

Pakistan used up our luck for a few tournaments and didn't win same result as India. India have luck that they will get in the next tournaments. Also the final loss will scar us for a few decades which India have avoided.

Why would the loss in the final scar Pakistan for decades?.Pakistan was not expected to win.It lost to a better team.Pakistan will learn from it’s mistakes.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

India.

Pakistan used up our luck for a few tournaments and didn't win same result as India. India have luck that they will get in the next tournaments. Also the final loss will scar us for a few decades which India have avoided.

India have reached the knockouts of every world tournament post 2013 (barring Wt20 2021) and have been knocked out. They are already scarred and it shows

 

[ex-q-zit]

If we measure success by how far the teams reached then its definitely Pakistan as they went 1 step ahead of India.

But if you see how the teams performed in the tournament then its India. The reason being we need to see how the teams played in diffrent conditions. Pakistan beat only 2 major teams SA and NZ. Both were in Sydney which suits them as it was similar to asian type pitch. They played 2 big teams in Melbourne where the bounce is higher and were found wanting. Finally if you see their performance on the toughest pitch which is Perth they lost half their side chaisng 90 and lost to ZIM unable to chase 130.

India on the other hand lost to SA on a Perth pitch but won the rest of their games in Melbourne and Adelaide. Their worst performnce came against the best side unlike Pak whose worst performance came against ZIM.

Hence based on the quality of cricket played from Match 1 to last match India seemed to have been better. Also India didn't have to wait for other results to go their way and made it on their own irrespective of who won or lost.

 

[giri26]

I think Pakistan have had a better tournament as they beat SA & NZ en route to finals. India have had a poor tournament where their only achievement was beating Pakistan. They almost lost to Bangladesh and got thrashed by both England & SA. India's tournament could have been worse if they had been in the other group as they would not have progressed.

 

[giri26]

India.

Pakistan used up our luck for a few tournaments and didn't win same result as India. India have luck that they will get in the next tournaments. Also the final loss will scar us for a few decades which India have avoided.

To be frank the final loss is sad but don't think it was that bad to scar the team in the long run. The only thing Pakistan fans need to worry about it that this finals appearance means Pakistan would not feel the need to change anything and will continue down the same path. Same with India as it seems like they did not learn anything from the 2021 WC and ended up with a similar squad and approach here as well.

India need a change in both disciplines but Pakistan have to worry only about the batting as their bowling is sorted in white ball format.

 

[jnaveen1980]

To be frank the final loss is sad but don't think it was that bad to scar the team in the long run. The only thing Pakistan fans need to worry about it that this finals appearance means Pakistan would not feel the need to change anything and will continue down the same path. Same with India as it seems like they did not learn anything from the 2021 WC and ended up with a similar squad and approach here as well.

India need a change in both disciplines but Pakistan have to worry only about the batting as their bowling is sorted in white ball format.

Indian fans have not really been kind. Rahul has been the cross hairs of fans since the beginning of the world cup. So this failure has given more power to show their anger towards him. Rohit is also under intense scrutiny after he blamed the bowlers he backed.

 

[giri26]

Indian fans have not really been kind. Rahul has been the cross hairs of fans since the beginning of the world cup. So this failure has given more power to show their anger towards him. Rohit is also under intense scrutiny after he blamed the bowlers he backed.

I just hope Rahul, Rohit and Virat, all leave T20Is as we need a change. I know Virat has been in great form but we need to plan for the next world cup and this approach to batting in LO formats needs to change. We cannot be scoring 40 in 6 overs everytime. Bhuvi, Ashwin, Axar, all need to leave as well. Need to invest on young bowlers and get attacking spinners in the XI like Bishnoi. Not that happy with the teams picked for NZ as well in terms of bowling. Bhuvneshwar Kumar is still in the squad but happy to see Umran Malik picked. India need a change in approach in all formats and need to get rid of the dead weights and the players who will not play in the next WC.

 

[Mamoon]

When you look at the bigger picture, Pakistan had the better tournament because it is better to lose a final than a semifinal.

However, not only was Pakistan extremely lucky to play the semifinal, it was also extremely lucky to avoid England in the semifinal.

If the England vs Australia match was not a washout, England would have most probably won and topped the group, which means they would have beaten Pakistan in the semifinal and played India/New Zealand in the final.

After losing to India and getting humiliated by Zimbabwe, Pakistan had no business qualifying for the semifinals.

So overall, in spite of getting clobbered by England in the semifinal, India had a slightly better tournament than Pakistan. It did not lose to a minnow team.

 

[Usman Chadda]

India should be happy reaching the semi-finals with that minnow level bowling attack.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

We won the T20 WC 2 years after the loss to India in the final of the previous cup.

I doubt they are going to be scarred for decades after this.

That was a stronger set of players. This team are very fragile. I think they have peaked tbh.

 

[Aseem_04]

Both are mediocre team, One doesn't have bowlers and other batsman,
I wish Pakistani and indian junior player should participate in each other domestic tournament like Ranji ,Syed mushtaq t20 , Don't know pakistan's Dometic tournament name , It's gonna be immensely win-win situation for both teams

 

[Mobashir]

When you look at the bigger picture, Pakistan had the better tournament because it is better to lose a final than a semifinal.

However, not only was Pakistan extremely lucky to play the semifinal, it was also extremely lucky to avoid England in the semifinal.

If the England vs Australia match was not a washout, England would have most probably won and topped the group, which means they would have beaten Pakistan in the semifinal and played India/New Zealand in the final.

After losing to India and getting humiliated by Zimbabwe, Pakistan had no business qualifying for the semifinals.

So overall, in spite of getting clobbered by England in the semifinal, India had a slightly better tournament than Pakistan. It did not lose to a minnow team.

And you have an IQ of 153, that's right?

Considering there was no rain in the world cup, Even if England won against Australia, NZ would have more than easely beaten Afghanistan and still toped the group.

How low can you go to find excuses for you team of Loosers?

 

[Mamoon]

And you have an IQ of 153, that's right?

Considering there was no rain in the world cup, Even if England won against Australia, NZ would have more than easely beaten Afghanistan and still toped the group.

How low can you go to find excuses for you team of Loosers?

Incorrect.

England were screwed over by rain against Ireland as well. They needed 53 runs in 33 balls with 5 wickets in hand when play was abandoned.

They would have won that match convincingly without rain. They lost because of D/L.

Without rain, England would have topped the group with 10 points with New Zealand finishing second with 8 points.

England would have beaten Pakistan in the semifinal to face India/NZ in the final.

Pakistan had all the luck in the world in this World Cup. They sneaked into the semifinals and faced the relatively easier opponent through sheer luck.

 

[Saj]

India was expected to win the tournament, they didn't even make the final.

Pakistan wasn't expected to get out the group stage and they reached the final.

The above says it all.

 

[Mobashir]

Incorrect.

England were screwed over by rain against Ireland as well. They needed 53 runs in 33 balls with 5 wickets in hand when play was abandoned.

They would have won that match convincingly without rain. They lost because of D/L.

Without rain, England would have topped the group with 10 points with New Zealand finishing second with 8 points.

England would have beaten Pakistan in the semifinal to face India/NZ in the final.

Pakistan had all the luck in the world in this World Cup. They sneaked into the semifinals and faced the relatively easier opponent through sheer luck.

Incorrect.

Without rain South Africa would have won against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh would have won against India. That would have saved India's humiliation from England.

Continue...

 

[Mobashir]

India was expected to win the tournament, they didn't even make the final.

Pakistan wasn't expected to get out the group stage and they reached the final.

The above says it all.

I didn't except India to win. They have a mediocre team. There top 3 is probably even slower than Pakistan's. There bowling is next to zero.

Anyone who thought India can win was far away from the reality.

True that Pakistan wasn't expected to go that far. We pushed above our weight thanks to some superb bowling and also some brilliance in the batting depatement.

 

[ChTab]

Neither Indians nor Pakistani fans should be happy about this WC performances. Both teams fluked their way out of the super 12's & I'm sure neither would've qualified if they were in the other group.

India got lucky vs Pakistan & won only because of the freak innings of Virat, they were mediocre in all other games.

Less said about Pak team is better. I'm just glad that this pathetic team didn't won another ICC trophy by luck.

 

[Mamoon]

Incorrect.

Without rain South Africa would have won against Zimbabwe and Bangladesh would have won against India. That would have saved India's humiliation from England.

Continue...

Bangladesh would have lost to India anyway. Rain made it easier for them both in terms of equation and conditions and they still choked.

Zimbabwe vs South Africa match is another example of how Pakistan got super lucky.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Neither Indians nor Pakistani fans should be happy about this WC performances. Both teams fluked their way out of the super 12's & I'm sure neither would've qualified if they were in the other group.

India got lucky vs Pakistan & won only because of the freak innings of Virat, they were mediocre in all other games.

Less said about Pak team is better. I'm just glad that this pathetic team didn't won another ICC trophy by luck.

Didn't Pakistan benefit from 3 dropped catches by Ashwin, fielders missing stumps from close quartet, byes in the last ball due to DK and Bhuvi? Then that ball hit the wire. Masood's knock was full of luck. Pakistan was down and out for 120/7. Tailenders hoicked and got lucky to post a total of 159. Kohli playing a crazy knock is more lucky than Rauf/Shaheen connecting a few slogs?

 

[Raja111]

I didn't except India to win. They have a mediocre team. There top 3 is probably even slower than Pakistan's. There bowling is next to zero.

Anyone who thought India can win was far away from the reality.

True that Pakistan wasn't expected to go that far. We pushed above our weight thanks to some superb bowling and also some brilliance in the batting depatement.

How? India's top 3 played at a strike rate of 121 whereas Pakistan's top 3 was striking at less than 100 ?

 

[Suleiman]

Back to back world Cup semi finalists, finalists and defending Champions of the Trophy since 2017.

#wontgiveitback

Next stop 2023 WC in the ex mother land.