Which Test side has been the best in overseas conditions in recent years?

[Haroon786]

what are you going on about son???

with the exception of South Africa winning in Australia, no visiting side has done well on the road.

because pakistan stretched australia a wee bit on the last day of a test where they were outclassed in just about every prior session you are rejoicing???

Pakistan drew 2-2 in England, which you have conveniently ignored.

Also SA winning in familiar conditions (Australia) means as much as Pakistan winning in SL or India (familiar conditions), that by no means indicates they are better tourists.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Pakistan.

 

[New Yorker]

Pakistan drew 2-2 in England, which you have conveniently ignored.

Also SA winning in familiar conditions (Australia) means as much as Pakistan winning in SL or India (familiar conditions), that by no means indicates they are better tourists.

SA humiliated Aus in Aus whereas all Pakistan has managed so far is a moral victory.

SA also drew Pakistan in the UAE, whereas Pakistan was humiliated when they
last toured in SA.

 

[Ellipsism]

South Africa followed by India/Pakistan.

 

[Haroon786]

SA humiliated Aus in Aus whereas all Pakistan has managed so far is a moral victory.

SA also drew Pakistan in the UAE, whereas Pakistan was humiliated when they
last toured in SA.

Being the best team overseas has nothing to do with relative performances at home.

Also, the current SA team is a far cry from the team that routed Pakistan in the second Test of the UAE series in 2013 (the same Test where they were guilty of ball tampering) - that result has no relevance to how SA can perform in Asia currently, the humiliation at the hands of India is a clear reflection of this.

Also using your comparison game :

England beat SA in their own backyard quite handedly whilst Pakistan drew and won 2 Tests in England.

 

[New Yorker]

Being the best team overseas has nothing to do with relative performances at home.

Also, the current SA team is a far cry from the team that routed Pakistan in the second Test of the UAE series in 2013 (the same Test where they were guilty of ball tampering) - that result has no relevance to how SA can perform in Asia currently, the humiliation at the hands of India is a clear reflection of this.

Also using your comparison game :

England beat SA in their own backyard quite handedly whilst Pakistan drew and won 2 Tests in England.

The UAE draw was not a story about Pakistan's performance at home but SA's away from home, in Asia.
This to the point that SA only wins in familiar conditions (Aus) which is like Pak winning in SL.

The point about SA's performance in England is certainly well taken, but my argument is not that SA is
clearly a better touring side than Pak, merely that there is little basis to hand that title to Pakistan alone.

 

[Haroon786]

The UAE draw was not a story about Pakistan's performance at home but SA's away from home, in Asia.
This to the point that SA only wins in familiar conditions (Aus) which is like Pak winning in SL.

The point about SA's performance in England is certainly well taken, but my argument is not that SA is
clearly a better touring side than Pak, merely that there is little basis to hand that title to Pakistan alone.

However, quite clearly the current SA team is not of the same quality of the team that was playing 3 years back with Smith, Kallis, AB, Amla, Steyn and Philander all playing well and without injuries.

I haven't personally conferred the title upon Pakistan, but certainly they have a very strong reason to be regarded as one of the best touring sides in Test Cricket.

 

[Hasan123]

South Africa
India
Pakistan

 

[New Yorker]

However, quite clearly the current SA team is not of the same quality of the team that was playing 3 years back with Smith, Kallis, AB, Amla, Steyn and Philander all playing well and without injuries.

I haven't personally conferred the title upon Pakistan, but certainly they have a very strong reason to be regarded as one of the best touring sides in Test Cricket.

I don't see it yet. Outside Asia Pak was crushed by middle weights NZ, drew in England, and is currently on the way to loosing the Test series in Aus. While never having won in the Windies. If they can turn this Aus series around it is another argument. But the NZ loss was really humiliating frankly. Pak used to win there for fun.

 

[Haroon786]

I don't see it yet. Outside Asia Pak was crushed by middle weights NZ, drew in England, and is currently on the way to loosing the Test series in Aus. While never having won in the Windies. If they can turn this Aus series around it is another argument. But the NZ loss was really humiliating frankly. Pak used to win there for fun.

Quite frankly, I do not see it as a major blight because there was inadequate preparation, the conditions were far more bowler friendly than Pakistan normally expect in NZ in recent times, the focus was already on Australia and generally the series was seen as a tune up rather than a standalone as its own regarded series.

NZ have done well at home recently, so even being upset away to them isn't a bad result. Drawing a series to England is actually an excellent outcome because barring SA not many teams compete in England over a 3 or 4 Test match series. The Australian series has not been decided yet and should not be commented on until after the end of the current Test. Pakistan are due to play in the WI so that record should finally be rectified.

 

[New Yorker]

Quite frankly, I do not see it as a major blight because there was inadequate preparation, the conditions were far more bowler friendly than Pakistan normally expect in NZ in recent times, the focus was already on Australia and generally the series was seen as a tune up rather than a standalone as its own regarded series.

NZ have done well at home recently, so even being upset away to them isn't a bad result. Drawing a series to England is actually an excellent outcome because barring SA not many teams compete in England over a 3 or 4 Test match series. The Australian series has not been decided yet and should not be commented on until after the end of the current Test. Pakistan are due to play in the WI so that record should finally be rectified.

Inadequate preparation or not they lost very badly. Hard to argue that you are a good touring side if you loose. But otherwise we seem to agree that things will become clearer in the future.

Meanwhile, Sohail Khan.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Pakistan for sure

 

[Gilly]

Pakistan for sure

How many away series have Pakistan won?.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

How many away series have Pakistan won?.

Who is it for you?

 

[soso_killer]

It's hard to compile a list when everyone has a W/L ratio below zero.
Basically the question is who is the best of the worst?
That in itself is telling. The truth is everyone has been terrible away from home barring one side.
A few draws on flat decks doesn't and shouldn't mask that away teams have been poor.
I will never rate mediocrity in any chronological order.

 

[ethan hunt]

South Africa has been charged with ball tampering in three of their most famous wins recently .
In the Uae , Srilanka and Australia and not just mere allegations , that's telling in itself .

 

[Nikhil_cric]

South Africa. Yes they got their backsides handed to them in India but they did win a series in OZ and I expect them to win in NZ as well.

 

[Napa]

South Africa. Yes they got their backsides handed to them in India but they did win a series in OZ and I expect them to win in NZ as well.

Yeah, but OZ is home conditions for SA, just like SL and Bang are home conditions for India.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Yeah, but OZ is home conditions for SA, just like SL and Bang are home conditions for India.

Yeah but they also won on their last tour to SL and drew in UAE. They're not a great away team now but they are better than the rest. Among top 5 test teams, England are the worst travellers. Whitewashed in OZ, could not beat WI, lost comfortably in the UAE and got smashed on easy tracks in India despite winning 4 out of 5 tosses. Only against a depleted SA did they manage to get a series win.

 

[Napa]

Yeah but they also won on their last tour to SL and drew in UAE. They're not a great away team now but they are better than the rest. Among top 5 test teams, England are the worst travellers. Whitewashed in OZ, could not beat WI, lost comfortably in the UAE and got smashed on easy tracks in India despite winning 4 out of 5 tosses. <b>Only against a depleted SA did they manage to get a series win.</b>

Okay then, SA is the best touring team and the worst home team

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Okay then, SA is the best touring team and the worst home team

Not the worst home team but they're not dominant enough at home unlike India.

 

[Zak_Fan]

1) SA
2) India
3) Pakistan

To be honest, it is hard to place Pakistan. Haven't really played enough away to be judged accurately. Their English tour was surely a success by Asian standards, but the following two tours have exposed a toothless attack that cannot pick 20 wickets unless Yasir finds a friendly pitch. Having said that, Pakistan can move up if they do well in 2017 as there isn't much between India and Pak.

 

[soso_killer]

South Africa has been charged with ball tampering in three of their most famous wins recently .
In the Uae , Srilanka and Australia and not just mere allegations , that's telling in itself .

The ICC failed to disclose how the ball was tampered with whilst allowing Kohli and Warner to get away with murder.
Anyway SA had the test series wrapped up in Australia.

 

[soso_killer]

Anyway what's the w/l ratio of teams away over the last 5 years?

 

[street cricketer]

The ICC failed to disclose how the ball was tampered with whilst allowing Kohli and Warner to get away with murder.
Anyway SA had the test series wrapped up in Australia.

Only difference being Kohli and Warner didn't use the mint directly on the ball like Faf did.

 

[Madplayer]

Only difference being Kohli and Warner didn't use the mint directly on the ball like Faf did.

These doubts prove that only Pakistan have played fairly and deserve the title of best test team on away tours

 

[Sidilicious]

The ICC failed to disclose how the ball was tampered with whilst allowing Kohli and Warner to get away with murder.
Anyway SA had the test series wrapped up in Australia.

The problem wasn't that Faf used the mint. None of the Aussies players even reacted. Most players accept that to be common now.

The shameful part was the whole SA teams response acting as if they were being targeted. They deserved to lose the last test.

Anyways, on topic.

1. SA
2. Pak/Ind (depends on how Pak perform in the next 2 Aus tests)
3. Pak/Ind
4. Eng
5. NZ
6. Aus

 

[HitWicket]

Only difference being Kohli and Warner didn't use the mint directly on the ball like Faf did.

Yes, Kohli was just rubbing his finger on his teeth and not the sweet positioned directly infront of them.

 

[soso_killer]

Only difference being Kohli and Warner didn't use the mint directly on the ball like Faf did.

foreign substances were used which the ICC is against, that's the bottom line. I'm not interested subtleties of cheating. Neither should the ICC else match fixers will also think its OK to cheat provided you don't get caught.

 

[Madplayer]

Pakistan played with a superhuman which amounts to cheating.

He learned from master Ishant himself.

 

[soso_killer]

The problem wasn't that Faf used the mint. None of the Aussies players even reacted. Most players accept that to be common now.

The shameful part was the whole SA teams response acting as if they were being targeted. They deserved to lose the last test.

Anyways, on topic.

1. SA
2. Pak/Ind (depends on how Pak perform in the next 2 Aus tests)
3. Pak/Ind
4. Eng
5. NZ
6. Aus

of course they were targeted, else why was Warner nit charged for a similar incident in the very same match?

 

[street cricketer]

Yes, Kohli was just rubbing his finger on his teeth and not the mint positioned directly infront of them.

Chewing gum was in the right side of his mouth while he was rubbing his teeth on the left side.

I don't see how that's an issue unless there's an official ban on using chewing gums on the field.

 

[street cricketer]

He learned from master Ishant himself.

We dropped Ishant to give other teams a chance.

 

[Mamoon]

South Africa
India
England
Pakistan
Australia
New Zealand
Sri Lanka
West Indies
Bangladesh
Zimbabwe

 

[Gilly]

The OP said in recent years so I have used the last three years, others might have different opinions of what recent means so adjust the time frame to suit.

Pakistan have won

2 tests in SL
2 tests in ENG
1 test in BAN

SA have won
1 test SL
1 test Zim
2 tests Aus

India have won

1 test in ENG
2 tests in SL
2 tests in WI

England have won

1 test in WI
2 tests in SA
1 test in BAN

Australia have won

2 tests in SA
2 tests in WI
2 tests in ENG
2 tests in NZ

 

[ethan hunt]

The current indian team is playing well but how on earth does it make so many people's list of best touring team .
They are in fact amongst the worst statistically if not THE worst .
Saw a similar stat on the screen the other day and they were comfortably at the bottom . This team might turn it around though.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

South Africa for me, they still have bowlers to run any side in any part of world.

 

[Navdeep Srivastava]

Apart from last Indian series, I don't remember when did Last time south Africa lost their away tour? Any help.

 

[jeetu]

Apart from last Indian series, I don't remember when did Last time south Africa lost their away tour? Any help.

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...team=3;template=results;type=team;view=series

Sri Lanka - 2006

 

[Napa]

The current indian team is playing well but how on earth does it make so many people's list of best touring team .
They are in fact amongst the worst statistically if not THE worst .
Saw a similar stat on the screen the other day and they were comfortably at the bottom . This team might turn it around though.

Maybe this will help you understand:

Over the last 3 years, Pakistan has played 10 Tests in SA (3), Eng (4), NZ (2) and Aus (1). They have lost 8/10, that is 80% of these Tests.

Over the same period India has played 13 Tests in SA (2), NZ (2), Eng (5) and Aus (4). They have lost 7/13, that is 54% of these Tests.

Not sure what statistics you saw suggesting India was "THE worst", maybe you should check again.