Who can be Pakistan’s Rahul Dravid for the U19 set-up?

[Thunderbolt14]

Very clear that we have the talent but there’s no one to instill mental toughness at the early stages. Ijaz Ahmed has done ok but is not anywhere close to where Dravid is as a junior coach.

We need a better U13, U16, U19 set up. Perhaps move Ijaz down to the U13, U16 levels and have someone better take over U19. Who should this person be?

My personal picks:
- Younis Khan - would be great at least as a junior batting coach, and really emphasize mental toughness and fitness. Would really emphasize temperament

- Mohammad Wasim - has showed an excellent ability to work with unknowns and/or juniors and instill a fighting, winning spirit. Note his accomplishments with Northern in National T20 and The QeA trophy this past season

 

[Bhaijaan]

Has to be none other than Yoniman!

A man of character.

A man of will.

A brand.

A leader.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Professor. Two mangoes in one stone.

 

[Hitman]

No offence, but how do you know you have the talent (your first sentence)?

 

[vicky11]

Abdur razzaq, since he was so interested in coaching even pandya...... Or misbah can also bag the job since this is one of the few jobs in pak cricket not involving misbah....

 

[Hitman]

On topic, Younis Khan would be the best man. The problem being that he has an ego that Dravid doesn't.

 

[JaDed]

On topic, Younis Khan would be the best man. The problem being that he has an ego that Dravid doesn't.

Dravid can take a back seat, he mostly does , its media that likes to go after him.

Younis , dont think so, I think Wasim and Inzi maybe..

 

[ind_win]

saqlain, mushtaq others have done assistant coach jobs in England's club level.
How come they are not considered for Pak's teams ?
Both of them were Pak greats and were never in the news for the wrong reasons, as far as I remember.

 

[MMHS]

No one - coaching is different ball game. PCB should try to hire couple of Level 3/4 (accredited from CA, ECB or CSAF .... even Misbah has something from PCB, which we are not looking for to be honest) batting coaches from UK and attached them for long-term with U16 & U19 boys. Bowing coaches are doing fine, may be a conventional spin coach can be handy.

For a long shot - if he invests 2-3 years for self-development (may be in UK), Shoaib Malik can be a very good choice in future - he has the right attitude & lots of experience as player.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

No offence, but how do you know you have the talent (your first sentence)?

I’m talking less about this batch of cricketers and more about how cricket hungry Pakistan as a nation is. It’s why despite such institutional mismanagement we can still produce a Babar Azam or Shaheen or Naseem every couple of years. Kids will continue to come through, the only real talent difference is in how they are groomed.

But this thread isn’t about that. I am simply looking to start a conversation about potential coaches if PCB made the brave decision of firing Ijaz tomorrow.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

saqlain, mushtaq others have done assistant coach jobs in England's club level.
How come they are not considered for Pak's teams ?
Both of them were Pak greats and were never in the news for the wrong reasons, as far as I remember.

We need batting coaches more than anything. I wouldn’t be opposed to either of those two being appointed head coach but the question still stands as to who can coach young Pakistani bats the way Dravid is.

For a long shot - if he invests 2-3 years for self-development (may be in UK), Shoaib Malik can be a very good choice in future - he has the right attitude & lots of experience as player.

Shoaib Malik would be a very, very, very intriguing proposition.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

YK should train young players imo.

 

[Titan24]

Mohammad Wasim maybe if we are talking about merit and someone with controlled emotions, coached Northern to National T20 cup and runner up position in QAE 2020. Handles youngsters well and gave them a lot of oppurtunities.

If you see Aus and NZ, they hire their coaches based upon how well they did in their domestic structure.
As I have said multiple times. Pak needs to give more weightage to their domestic and maybe PSL coaches. If they are not good enough than what are they doing caoching a domestic team to start with.

Pak needs to make a rule that to be considered for coaching at U19, Pak A and international level a person should have coached in Pak domestic circuit or elsewhere around the world.

Just to give examples, Abdul Rehman has been a tremendous coach for Peshawar and has improved cricket of that region leaps and bounds when it comes to performances in domestic setup. If we want to consider modern domestic structure than Mohammad Wasim has done an outstanding Job.

 

[ind_win]

We need batting coaches more than anything. I wouldn’t be opposed to either of those two being appointed head coach but the question still stands as to who can coach young Pakistani bats the way Dravid is.

Yes, that is a big question - about finding someone as good as Dravid's man-managing skills & of course experience.
Also, it would be better if Pak moves out and plays in any other countries other than UAE alone.
Playing in UAE as second home ground caused enormous damage to Pak cricket.
But it again bring back the questions of logistics, marketability etc
Lot of questions starting from the U-19 structure for Pak to address I guess.

 

[MMHS]

We need batting coaches more than anything. I wouldn’t be opposed to either of those two being appointed head coach but the question still stands as to who can coach young Pakistani bats the way Dravid is.



Shoaib Malik would be a very, very, very intriguing proposition.

Malik has the personality, but needs the technical knowledge. It's a mixture of technical knowledge & personality to be a great coach, not how good you are/were a player. And, that's in every sports, not only cricket. But, Malik is a multi-millionaire (billionaire in PKR), spouse of an Indian celebrity and a very charming personality - I don't think he'll spend 3 years in UK doing the boring job of earning ECB Level 4 badge, rather he'll go for cricket media, YouTube, Snapchat ..... and being Indian Damad, it should be easier for him to do the "charmers" job in IPL at fat pay ...... To be a great coach, sometimes it's as demanding as to be a great player - Sir Alex started as an assistant trainer with a "pay as you work" contract, at the age of 35 ......

 

[Rana]

Definetly Inzimam

I don’t like the way people are just throwing in Theoretical names in here without consider whether those names have any coaching qualifications. Inzimam did well with the Afghanistan men’s team before taking a pay cut to serve as chief selector of Pakistan.

 

[topspin]

Mohammad Wasim maybe if we are talking about merit and someone with controlled emotions, coached Northern to National T20 cup and runner up position in QAE 2020. Handles youngsters well and gave them a lot of oppurtunities.

If you see Aus and NZ, they hire their coaches based upon how well they did in their domestic structure.
As I have said multiple times. Pak needs to give more weightage to their domestic and maybe PSL coaches. If they are not good enough than what are they doing caoching a domestic team to start with.

Pak needs to make a rule that to be considered for coaching at U19, Pak A and international level a person should have coached in Pak domestic circuit or elsewhere around the world.

Just to give examples, Abdul Rehman has been a tremendous coach for Peshawar and has improved cricket of that region leaps and bounds when it comes to performances in domestic setup. If we want to consider modern domestic structure than Mohammad Wasim has done an outstanding Job.

What about Mohsin Khan? Shouldn't he be at the top of your list?

 

[Bullet Drive]

No one - coaching is different ball game. PCB should try to hire couple of Level 3/4 (accredited from CA, ECB or CSAF .... even Misbah has something from PCB, which we are not looking for to be honest) batting coaches from UK and attached them for long-term with U16 & U19 boys. Bowing coaches are doing fine, may be a conventional spin coach can be handy.

For a long shot - if he invests 2-3 years for self-development (may be in UK), Shoaib Malik can be a very good choice in future - he has the right attitude & lots of experience as player.

I doubt he will go into coaching.

 

[JattMaula]

Lala knows all three departments of cricket. Has good personality and is available.

 

[Titan24]

What about Mohsin Khan? Shouldn't he be at the top of your list?

I think a standard needs to be set to be eligible as a coach in Pak setup at any level. We are trying to modernize our domestic cricket, its high time to modernize the coaching aspect as well. Otherwise some of the ex cricketers will just keep on wanting shortcuts without actually doing anything to prove themselves. Younus, Yousuf, Inzi etc all with the hope of being involved with the national team or junior teams should make themselves available for domestic teams first in my opinion as Mohammad Wasim is doing. If we are going to that route than Moshin doesnt qualify and also I would prefer some one from the modern era with young guys.

Thats the only way for ex greats to help young and emerging guys otherwise they will never offer their services in the hope of being appointed straight as head coach one day.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Dravid's influence is overstated. Even he can't do anything if the talent he's working in aren't already good, and that's a result of the structure and organisation of grassroots and junior cricket by BCCI.

 

[MMHS]

I doubt he will go into coaching.

He should - people like him needs to be dragged into cricket coaching because that job needs lots of intelligence and man management as well, which i don't think most PAK former greats possess.

People like Malik, MoHa are not the best players, but they have the intelligence & personality - PCB needs to invest on right kind of people for coaching. Taufique Umar is another one, may be Imran Farhat as well - after retirement, definitely Shan Masood another one.

But, I confidently expect, if from current batch - next in line will be Sarfraz Ahmed ... for his persona & "leadership" quality. From the 90s batch - Moin, Latif, Ul Haq, Basit, Aaquib, WY, Ijaz, Shoaib ... has been Coach at some level .... I would rather have invested on the guy who escaped PCB's filter - Amir Sohail. Obviously, there must be something different in what I look for a Coach.

 

[Bullet Drive]

He should - people like him needs to be dragged into cricket coaching because that job needs lots of intelligence and man management as well, which i don't think most PAK former greats possess.

People like Malik, MoHa are not the best players, but they have the intelligence & personality - PCB needs to invest on right kind of people for coaching. Taufique Umar is another one, may be Imran Farhat as well - after retirement, definitely Shan Masood another one.

But, I confidently expect, if from current batch - next in line will be Sarfraz Ahmed ... for his persona & "leadership" quality. From the 90s batch - Moin, Latif, Ul Haq, Basit, Aaquib, WY, Ijaz, Shoaib ... has been Coach at some level .... I would rather have invested on the guy who escaped PCB's filter - Amir Sohail. Obviously, there must be something different in what I look for a Coach.

It should be made mandatory for coaches in Pakistan at u16, u19 and FC level to have ECB level 3 minimum.

 

[MMHS]

It should be made mandatory for coaches in Pakistan at u16, u19 and FC level to have ECB level 3 minimum.

I think, that's a bit expensive for may aspirant coaches at personal level. Staying in UK and completing Coaching badges needs investment for something not ensuring a long-term career - without sponsorship, difficult. For South Asian coaches, even more risky, because without proper contacts, even best certifications might not get you a proper job.

Instead of that, what PCB needs is to improve their Coaching program up to a certain level -may be as a cascade of ECB program and may be then, from the best of the lot can be sent to ECB or CA for a long-term higher level. PCB can crack a deal as well for costing and accommodation with ECB, CA. At present, what is happening at NCA is not sufficient - people like Misbah, YK are earning Coaching badges with couple of days session or something like that. I believe, BCB has some arrangements for short term coaching programs with CA/BCCI for local coaches - trainers come in BD for coaching programs, few travel to Australia as well. With WK, PCB should be able to crack a better deal with ECB.

 

[sshakir411]

Misbah should have proved himself at the junior level before taking over the reigns of the national team.

 

[Bullet Drive]

I think, that's a bit expensive for may aspirant coaches at personal level. Staying in UK and completing Coaching badges needs investment for something not ensuring a long-term career - without sponsorship, difficult. For South Asian coaches, even more risky, because without proper contacts, even best certifications might not get you a proper job.

Instead of that, what PCB needs is to improve their Coaching program up to a certain level -may be as a cascade of ECB program and may be then, from the best of the lot can be sent to ECB or CA for a long-term higher level. PCB can crack a deal as well for costing and accommodation with ECB, CA. At present, what is happening at NCA is not sufficient - people like Misbah, YK are earning Coaching badges with couple of days session or something like that. I believe, BCB has some arrangements for short term coaching programs with CA/BCCI for local coaches - trainers come in BD for coaching programs, few travel to Australia as well. With WK, PCB should be able to crack a better deal with ECB.

I will do it. 2 more levels to go.

And yeah sounds good.

Btw, the leggie you refered to in another post was Karamat Ali.

 

[MMHS]

I will do it. 2 more levels to go.

And yeah sounds good.

Btw, the leggie you refered to in another post was Karamat Ali.

Yes, Karamat Ali - what he is doing these days? Could turn conventional leggi BIG, unlike Yasir.

And, congrats for your efforts & achievements - keep in touch with important people, PAK needs educated coaches with proper technical knowledge, not former greats turned guru.

 

[Bullet Drive]

Yes, Karamat Ali - what he is doing these days? Could turn conventional leggi BIG, unlike Yasir.

And, congrats for your efforts & achievements - keep in touch with important people, PAK needs educated coaches with proper technical knowledge, not former greats turned guru.

Still nothing yet. Level 1 is pretty easy. Want to get level 2 done. And level 3 within this next year. And then I really want to help back home in Pakistan.

Karamat's career is probably finished. Unlucky cricketer wasted.

Last played in 2016.

Took 23 wickets in 15 games average of 31 which isn't bad at all.

Took 24 wickets at 16 for PAK U19

Is doing nothing now. Probs only local games.

Bigger waste of talent was Shahzaib Ahmed. Took 5-fer vs West Indies for PAK A and then dropped one game later. Hasn't played since.

 

[Shazzam]

Misbah Ul Haq can fill the role. He should be given Under 19 coaching contract alongside the roles he already has. At the dire moment we require a sensible head like his.

 

[Bewal Express]

Dravid brings calmness, do we have an intelligent, calm person that knows his cricket. We have the likes of Miandad that have great knowledge, but is too passionate, then we have others that are loud but don't add value.

 

[minamino]

Younis Khan has got a huge ego problem whereas Rahul was always a well-mannered guy even during his career. That being said, Pakistan should try their best to get YK services for U19 and then Main team in the future. He is much better than Misbah.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Moin Khan or Muhammad Wasim

Or become professional and get a few Level 3 coaches to work at the grass root level.

 

[sharmaji]

Younis Khan comes to my mind. He was a fantastic player, full of mental toughness that Pakistan teams (U19 as well as seniors) desperately need today. He is also a big name that commands respect.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Still nothing yet. Level 1 is pretty easy. Want to get level 2 done. And level 3 within this next year. And then I really want to help back home in Pakistan.

That’s very noble of you and glad to hear. If you don’t mind me asking, have you played or coached cricket at any club/provincial/domestic level previously? And how do you plan to break in as a coach in the Pakistan circuit where everyone knows everyone and references are how the machine is oiled?

Starting your own academy to prove merit would be a good idea imo. We need people like you who take coaching qualifications seriously and I generally like the way you think from the way you post on this forum.

Instead of that, what PCB needs is to improve their Coaching program up to a certain level -may be as a cascade of ECB program and may be then, from the best of the lot can be sent to ECB or CA for a long-term higher level. PCB can crack a deal as well for costing and accommodation with ECB, CA. At present, what is happening at NCA is not sufficient - people like Misbah, YK are earning Coaching badges with couple of days session or something like that. I believe, BCB has some arrangements for short term coaching programs with CA/BCCI for local coaches - trainers come in BD for coaching programs, few travel to Australia as well. With WK, PCB should be able to crack a better deal with ECB.

This needs to happen. A solid coaching requirement set and infrastructure. Have a program to coach leve 1 and 2 through an ECB accredited program at the NCA, before sending the best on scholarship to the UK to finish their training. Those who aren’t sent to the UK should be provided with ECB accredited level 3 coaching at the NCA itself. Not sure what the precedent for something like this is but I know that normal British Universities have similar programs in Pakistan with schools and universities offering SOAS, University of London, etc degrees through partnerships with those colleges.

Once this set up is in place, have coaches work their way up the ranks from intra-provincial teams to 6 coaches in the domestic circuit (and 6 assistant coaches working on second XIs) to Pakistan U13 and U16 (one coach to manage both), then U19, then Pakistan A, and finally Pakistan National Team.

There needs to be a clear pay hierarchy set up where the U13 and U16 job pays more than being a domestic coach, so that the 6 domestic coaches are competing for that 1 position and removes the ego factor that cricketers like Younis Khan might have. Create a culture where it is prestigious to work with kids.

In the short run I would like to see Mohammad Wasim and Younis Khan complete their ECB training as specified above and apply for the junior coaching positions.

 

[b.lesner]

i heard that Sind won U-19 trophy and only 1 player Aamir Ali was selected from Sind

 

[Manunited18]

Younis khan would be the ideal candidate

 

[Sam99]

Shoaib Akthar. I heard he gives good phainta.

 

[Bullet Drive]

That’s very noble of you and glad to hear. If you don’t mind me asking, have you played or coached cricket at any club/provincial/domestic level previously? And how do you plan to break in as a coach in the Pakistan circuit where everyone knows everyone and references are how the machine is oiled?

Starting your own academy to prove merit would be a good idea imo. We need people like you who take coaching qualifications seriously and I generally like the way you think from the way you post on this forum.



This needs to happen. A solid coaching requirement set and infrastructure. Have a program to coach leve 1 and 2 through an ECB accredited program at the NCA, before sending the best on scholarship to the UK to finish their training. Those who aren’t sent to the UK should be provided with ECB accredited level 3 coaching at the NCA itself. Not sure what the precedent for something like this is but I know that normal British Universities have similar programs in Pakistan with schools and universities offering SOAS, University of London, etc degrees through partnerships with those colleges.

Once this set up is in place, have coaches work their way up the ranks from intra-provincial teams to 6 coaches in the domestic circuit (and 6 assistant coaches working on second XIs) to Pakistan U13 and U16 (one coach to manage both), then U19, then Pakistan A, and finally Pakistan National Team.

There needs to be a clear pay hierarchy set up where the U13 and U16 job pays more than being a domestic coach, so that the 6 domestic coaches are competing for that 1 position and removes the ego factor that cricketers like Younis Khan might have. Create a culture where it is prestigious to work with kids.

In the short run I would like to see Mohammad Wasim and Younis Khan complete their ECB training as specified above and apply for the junior coaching positions.

Thanks for the kind words. I play local club cricket.

I think I can find myself a role with teams. I have fairly good contacts within Pakistan cricket. And I think with hard work you can get any where.

I am 24, and genuinely believe I can still be a pro cricketer, even at this age with hardly any experience. Only with hard work. If I spend 2 years in the nets, and practice everyday, I know I can make it.

 

[Bullet Drive]

i heard that Sind won U-19 trophy and only 1 player Aamir Ali was selected from Sind

Aarish Khan too but he was benched

 

[shah_1]

We need to stop selecting regional u19 teams based on open trails

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Thanks for the kind words. I play local club cricket.

I think I can find myself a role with teams. I have fairly good contacts within Pakistan cricket. And I think with hard work you can get any where.

I am 24, and genuinely believe I can still be a pro cricketer, even at this age with hardly any experience. Only with hard work. If I spend 2 years in the nets, and practice everyday, I know I can make it.

That’s very inspiring. I hope you are able to realize your passion and make it pro, and are able to leave a legacy as a coach as well. 24 isn’t late at all. It just takes one stand out season to get noticed. Everything starts with hard work, and work ethic is unfortunately where most fall short

 

[chazam]

Pakistan ex players are too bitter and egoistic to help these young kids..

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Shoaib Akthar. I heard he gives good phainta.

I disagree with this selection. He might make a good u19 selector but what coaching qualifications does he have?

 

[Bullet Drive]

That’s very inspiring. I hope you are able to realize your passion and make it pro, and are able to leave a legacy as a coach as well. 24 isn’t late at all. It just takes one stand out season to get noticed. Everything starts with hard work, and work ethic is unfortunately where most fall short

Yep. I feel like I want to be a coach. Would love to help Pakistan, and I will do it.

 

[Hasan123]

I don't see someone who can do this role. Hire an Australian batting coach. They know how to develop batters.

 

[HEYY]

Dravid himself is very unique in India. No one of similar stature in India would coach u19, they all are loaded with money to care about u19. No one is as selfless as Dravid.

So I don't think anyone with high average and tons of international runs in Pakistan would coach u19, they already have enough money for their entire life or they rather go after the senior team or commentary.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Another inspired pick: if he hadn’t entered politics, Imran Khan would have been absolutely phenomenal in any coaching or selection position, and even both. He had the best man management skills of arguably any cricketer ever and is my GOAT captain. Was personally responsible for Wasim, Waqar, and Inzimam and countless others. Would work wonders with the U19 squad and give the national team some real gems to work with.

Maybe when he retires from politics he can come back to the PCB in 20 years haha.

 

[sweep_shot]

I think someone like Younis Khan should be head coach of U-19 team (if you are looking for a local coach). I doubt likes of Wasim Akram or Waqar Younis would be interested.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

The problem is that most of our legends are either too unstable or too shady to be a Dravid like figure. A better strategy would be to get the best foreign coaching staff. Maybe get someone like Michael Hussey or Graham Smith could be roped in. I’d also love to see PSL franchises getting involved in finding under 19 talent as they tend to attract more talent around the country.

 

[The Viper]

Younis Khan has a huge ego, so would not be a suitable choice at all; I doubt he would coexist with the PCB and the players.

 

[austerlitz]

Shoaib akhtar,just so to shut him up once and for all bragging in youtube how things would be different if he was in charge,how PCB is incompetent for not coming to guys like him with a bag of money befitting his 'stature' and begging him for help,while simultaneously claiming he doesn't need money.

 

[austerlitz]

And akhtar mocking pakistani fielding ,considering he himself never dived once in his life and dropped a sitter in wc final 99 is a joke.

 

[Varun]

No offence, but how do you know you have the talent (your first sentence)?

Don't you know that Pakistan is always the global powerhouse and headquarters of Talent and Potential (TM)?

 

[PerfectionPersonified]

Mohammad Wasim, the guy know his stuff

recently took an inexp side to final.

 

[Majid Khan]

Maybe Hafeez, he’s got be the Pakistani equivalent of Dravid - rock solid, Immaculate defensive technique , especially against quality fast bowling - and both are well spoken and usually very quiet and let their batting record speak for themselves.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

But does Hafeez have the man management skills? Maybe 5 years later after he’s completed the ECB level 3. Also, doesn’t seem to be on the best terms with current PCB

 

[nextover666666]

No offence, but how do you know you have the talent (your first sentence)?

If saw the match you saw that their was some talented batsman on Pakistan side , in fact if Qasim didn't get run out and if that stunning catch was not made you would see what haris can do as well, the reason India did so well was because they followed their game plan

Tyagi is a very talented bowler and the other Indian bowlers were good or even okay but no were near what he can do but regardless everyone understood their rule, if the bowler couldn't take wickets he would slow down the run rate and fielders would back him up and that would put pressure on the batman.

When ever India has beaten Pakistan it's been to a better set up and structure and better planning and executing that plan. That's full credit to India using the talent or even little talent you have and using it the fullest

This Pakistan team was a decent team , I was not impressed with the bowling of Pakistan but in terms of batsman theirs some that look like they can be good prospects in the future so their is talent their it's just not being used properly and this has been an issue with pak cricket for the longest time